>>219792208
>being humiliated by Iran
>has to bully an island

>thirdies having sex at the community trash fire

>>219792208
We aren't a cruel dystopia so it's mostly celebrities with dumb ideas

>>219792208
>in the middle of blackout
>they're still fucking doggy style in public
Can latinx ever turn the sexo off?

>>219792234
Delusional brownoid lmao

nuke all caribbeans (and israel just in case)

My sole source of news is the television at the gym when I have my earbuds in and 4chan.

>>219792208
>communists defeated
based

>>219792640
when did jews gave up on communism?

>>219792234
>gayatollah kuminme dead
>most senior government and military officials dead
>entire navy destroyed
>entire air force obliterated
>starts randomly attacking everybody around them, even neutral countries
>about to get assraped by kurds
Yeah... humiliating.

>>219792653
we didnt we keep an open score ever since cuba invaded israel we just havent gotten around to taking care of it because we had other issues closer
we would have eventually gotten around to it but it would be nice if usa takes it out so we dont have to

>>219792673
You have no clue do you

Strait still closed, missiles and drones still flying.

Wait until the markets open kek

>>219792640
this

>>219792690
Steiner's drones will envelop the israeli airforce and then iran will surely win.

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>>219792673
When will you land the timmygoys in Tehran? By the way, it's a huge city, and the fighting in its narrow streets will be especially fierce.

>>219792815
>Implying its a peer 2 peer conflict
Iran is doing surprisingly well. They embrace asymmetrical warfare and have achieved the primary leverage they always claimed, keeping the strait closed.

>>219793017
If your definition of well is to be an inconvenience while getting bombed back to the stone age, then sure.

>>219792690
The straight isn't closed, Iran is chucking a 10th of the missiles they were a week ago and the markets have been open for a week and nothing has happened. I know because you're a yuro you love shitskins more than anything, but this is pathetic even for you.

>>219793093
Fuck off and die, you disgusting Israeli parasite.

>>219793093
The straight is closed retard. Why are you lying?

>>219793036
Well yes? The fuck do you think this is? Its asymmetrical warfare and iran is very much in the game still

The plan failed. Irans leverage was always the economic price it would inflict on the world. Wait until markets open monday.

>>219793093
>straight
>>219793159
>straight

>>219792208
>invade and overthrow Cuban government that has kept the country in line for 60 years
>it immediately becomes just another South American narco-state flooding America with drugs and guns
Boomers need to fucking go extinct already. All this because they humiliated Americans literally 60 years ago.

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>>219793159
I pay my taxes thank you very much.
>>219793159
It isn't though. Just because less ships are going through it due to the odd Iranian missile doesn't mean it's formally closed. Iran is losing its ability to exert power of the straight too.

>>219793212
>no ships are going through
>"i-it's not closed though b-because no one put up a stop sign"

>>219793183
except this isn't the taliban, iran is a state. a state ceases to function when you don't have things like running water, electricity or weapons to fight your war with.
it's like saying hitler is winning because he still has troops in berlin, also he's dead but the markets are still reacting negatively, so germany is doing really well actually.

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>>219793248
But ships are going through though. Iran is definitely not winning this war.

>>219793198
cuba was keeping venezuela (a narco state) afloat
they will do anything to undermine america and that includes supporting drug traffic, it's not beyond them.

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>>219793271
No, they're not.
https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/HORMUZ-STRAIT/ship-traffic-tracker
The only ships that have passed the strait have been Iranian ships themselves and a handful of others testing the waters in the first day or two. Normally hundreds of ships pass through every day.
You're a medically diagnosable retard in for the shock of your life when markets open and the longer this drags out.

>>219793300
>cuba was keeping venezuela (a narco state) afloat
Kek no. If anything the happenings in Venezuela have shown the opposite, they haven't been able to cope without Venezuelan oil yet.

>>219793264
Kek

So you are saying the goal now is to destroy all the civilian infrastructure in iran to inflict maximum pain on the civilian population?

You are aware they sanctioned irans ability to bank months ago resulting in the hyperinflation that caused the unrest? The plan was always regime change and that failed.

The goalpost has been moved. If iran can endure they will inflict trillions of dollars worth of economic loss on the world. That is their stated strategy and exactly what they are doing.

You can destroy a nation without a problem, the thing is what is the cost of doung so.
>>219793212
Strait of hormuz is closed, this is not subjective you lying cunt

>>219793310
I said there were less ships. Your own source shows that, and there are plenty of ships on the approaches to the strait. Ships are understandably hesitant to go through, and do so quickly. You make it seem like Iran is blocking the straight (which they can't because their navy is gone)
> when markets open
Markets have been open for a week and again, nothing crazy has happened. Why would I expect everything to collapse over the weekend, especially when the US has had overwhelming military success in these past couple days?

>>219793324
maduro had a personal guard of cuban mercenaries and their intelligence apparatus was reportedly cuban
i don't understand what part of what happened recently is evidence to the contrary. they were co-dependent and venezuela is a big part of the drug trade.
>>219793337
>So you are saying the goal now is to destroy all the civilian infrastructure in iran to inflict maximum pain on the civilian population?
The civilian population drinks water and uses electricity like the government does, they also staff the latter. Any damage to infrastructure threatens the ability of the government to function and exist.
>You are aware they sanctioned irans ability to bank months ago resulting in the hyperinflation that caused the unrest
yes but don't pretend this is the first time they've had any unrest
>the thing is what is the cost of doung so.
The destruction of your enemies is mostly beneficial. Only downside is you have to endure the lamentations of their supporters.
>That is their stated strategy and exactly what they are doing.
Good luck doing this as the country collapses.

>>219793400
Who do you think is willing to insure ships sailing through now?
>Muh navy
Iran blew up several ships after its navy was totaled
>nothing crazy has happened.
You are aware of the current oil price right?

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>>219792613
ANON NO!

>>219793451
>oil prices went really high after americans invaded iraq, so saddam won
this is your brain on thirdworldism

>>219793426
>Good luck doing this as the country collapses
That is what we are witnessing
>The civilian population drinks water and uses electricity like the government does, they also staff the latter. Any damage to infrastructure threatens the ability of the government to function and exist.
No shit sherloc, it will also cause a massive humanitarian catastrophe, something nations like ours tend to think is bad
>yes but don't pretend this is the first time they've had any unrest
You are aware the primary strikes targeted irgc almost exclusively because the goal was regime change? Not inflicting mass pain on the civilian population they wanted to have revolt?
>The destruction of your enemies is mostly beneficial. Only downside is you have to endure the lamentations of their supporters.
Oh eat a dick you retard. Im a trader not a supporter of iran and you are clueless about this shit and it's blatant. You think it's worth it at any cost? Are you aware how many people in the world starve to death when oil prices rise significantly? Irans goals is to force a price so high the us is forced to back off, aka raising the oil price and causing a worldwide recession

Fuck you for veing so dimwitted you think i support iran because i maintain critical thought jfc

>>219793451
>Navy and insurance
Iran has not destroyed any US ships, unless you are referring to hitting a few random tankers with drones. Also insurance definitely covers stuff like this, do you think this war came out of nowhere? It has been years in the making at minimum, and everyone saw the same military buildup. You also make it sound like Iran losing their entire navy in a week is an inconvenience lol, that's the kinda stuff that costs wars.
>Oil price
The oil price has gone up a bit, but compare that with the OPEC oil crisis where oil went up like 5-fold, this is manageable. I believe the price will go back down, but obviously I'm not a clairvoyant, so I will eat my words if that doesn't happen.

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>>219792208
So long as you have sexo then you cannot suffer

>>219793501
Oh you are fucking retarded. You think it was worth it removing saddam the way we did? Have you paid any fucking attention to iraq the past two decades? Isis? The human suffering?

You assume shit and push out retarded shit4brains insults because you have no clue what the cost of these wars actually are you just assume their good and you cant explain why because you are f retarded.

Thirdworldism my ass faggot

>>219793515
>That is what we are witnessing
for now.
>something nations like ours tend to think is bad
don't care what you think because your shit's retarded. allies did this during world war II but now it's le bad, only your enemies get to do it? absurd.
>You are aware the primary strikes targeted irgc almost exclusively because the goal was regime change?
yes and that didn't work. we're in the dismantling the whole country so they cease to be a threat stage.
>Im a trader not a supporter of iran
my trading tip is that you should just adjust your portfolio for WWIII, it will happen once china does something.

>>219793523
>you are referring to hitting a few random tankers with drones. Also insurance definitely covers stuff like this
Dude this is the entire point. Insurance is not being sold right now because if the extreme risk.

> also make it sound like Iran losing their entire navy in a week is an inconvenience lol, that's the kinda stuff that costs wars.

Oh please retard. That was fully anticipated by every analyst and their navy was dogshit.

The fact is they are inflicting a price and maintaing the ability to do so. Iran is a shithole country, their airforce is ancient, their ships are museum pieces.

Nobody gives a fuck about their conventional forces. The united states is lightyears ahead if them. This was always goung to ve a turkey shoot, the problem is that after a week of fighting they are still able to inflict cost on us all.

>The oil price has gone up a bit
Its gone up 40%. Qatari analysts predict it might it a 150 bucks if iran keeps the strait closed with their drones and every creative terrorist tier thing they can think of.

If that happens the world will go into a recession. People lose their livelyhoods, price of commodities skyrocket

Oil runs planet earth.

>>219792234
In what universe is the US being humiliated in Iran?

>>219793536
>Oh you are fucking retarded. You think it was worth it removing saddam the way we did?
I have no strong feelings one way or another. I'll just say the country will be better off now, if the iranian influence is eliminated. It's still slightly better than it used to be.
>you have no clue what the cost of these wars actually are you just assume their good and you cant explain why
wars aren't good but it's even worse to lose them. iran and israel weren't at peace, they were attacking eachother through proxies and covert ops. some kind of escalation as they built up stockpiles and became more advanced became inevitable, more so as iran started to aid russia.

>>219793564
>don't care what you think because your shit's retarded. allies did this during world war II but now it's le bad, only your enemies get to do it? absurd
Oh please.
>yes and that didn't work. we're in the dismantling the whole country so they cease to be a threat stage.
Yes what an amazing strategy for a war that out of necessity right? You see this from a perspective that is so utterly retarded, iran was not an existential threat like japanese or germans during ww3 jfc
>my trading tip is that you should just adjust your portfolio for WWIII, it will happen once china does something.

Oh please. China bought 90% of irans crude this is them getting royally cucked and they didn't have the ability to help uran

There is literally 0% chance this spirals into ww3 you absolute dimwit

>>219793141
>everyone who doesn't believe my disinformation is an Israeli
The absolute state of brownoids on 4chins

>>219793601
Well again, I agree that speed is of the utmost importance. But I still don't think a week is a long enough time to make any determined judgements. If this war drags out for a month or longer I will change my mind. I also believe a lot of the cost of oil has been priced in. It really comes up to how determined the Iranian leadership (whatever is left of it) to keep fighting. Personally, I think the CIA is extremely adept at their job, and they almost certainly have a person or group of people with whom to negotiate with. Trump's promise of immunity (if truthful), must certainly sound enticing to some generals or higher-ups.

>>219793641
>I'll just say the country will be better off now
And you base that on absolutely nothing
>wars aren't good but it's even worse to lose them. iran and israel weren't at peace, they were attacking eachother through proxies and covert ops. some kind of escalation as they built up stockpiles and became more advanced became inevitable, more so as iran started to aid russia.

No shit, do you think the proxy wars in syria was fought cleanly by either side?

Iran was a fucking menace. Just like israel is for a fuckton of Nations. Do you even know how this war started? Israel told the us it was going to assasinate the ayatollah wether the us wanted it to or not, pro tip the us was against martyring the ayatollah, israel forced the us to go balls deep with no time to prepare the region properly and commit to what it called a preemptive strike to take out irans ability to hit its bases as payback for assasinating their leader. Thats how this shitfest got started a week ago. And so far the us has suffered causalities it never would have in a properly prepared scenario.

>>219793646
>iran was not an existential threat like japanese or germans during ww3 jfc
they would be to israel given a few more years. their tech and stockpiles were getting there.
>China bought 90% of irans crude this is them getting royally cucked
which is another reason to take out iran right now. if china attacks taiwan in the near future, they can get choked on oil.

>>219792689
>ever since cuba invaded israel
Marge

>>219793653
The cia was against the war.
>>219793699
>they would be to israel given a few more years. their tech and stockpiles were getting there.
Israel has said this for 40 fucking years.
>which is another reason to take out iran right now. if china attacks taiwan in the near future, they can get choked on oil.
Not how supply and demand for oil works. And China won't touch taiwan, that would mean global capital exits china instantly. Just because there is massive fear mongering about chinas military risecand the goal of 2027 dors not mean china is prepared to tank its economy for an island it loves to despise..

>>219793653
You know why oil jumped so much? Because nobody believed the us would be fucking dumb enough to let israel assasinate the ayatollah and plunge Iran into an existential fight.

The us had nowhere near the necessary assets in theatre. Hence why this shitshow has gone down the way it has. Thevus is speed running another carrier to the region and is moving interceptor assets out of deployment in indopacom to centcom.

You people have no idea what a clusterfuck this really is. When markets open on monday jfc

>>219792673
America won the physical war but has lost the culture war. All the cool kids hate you and think you’re cringey uncs.

>>219793698
>And you base that on absolutely nothing
i based it on the iran-iraq war and saddam being a menace. the reason for invading was bullshit but it wasn't entirely unjustifiable. the country is in a position to improve now, if it doesn't get fucked by proxy conflicts.
>Just like israel is for a fuckton of Nations.
not remotely comparable to iran. israel is in decent diplomatic standing with pretty much everyone in the region now.
>>219793749
>Israel has said this for 40 fucking years.
yeah. for a reason.
>China won't touch taiwan, that would mean global capital exits china instantly.
you're assuming autocrats are predictable as they become old and senile. and wars are always risky and a gamble, therefore no one would ever start them, right?

>>219793828
>the country is in a position to improve now, if it doesn't get fucked by proxy conflicts.
Millions dead and displaced, decades of termoil, complete and utter destruction of all its infrastructure and a population less educated, less secure and financially fistfucked.
>not remotely comparable to iran. israel is in decent diplomatic standing with pretty much everyone in the region now.
The ME has been ravaged for a reason and no we did not invade all the countries we did because Saudis flew planes into buildings. Don't have the time to explain the last 80y of us strategy in the ME.
>yeah. for a reason.
.. this war is going down in history as a ridiculous clusterfuck started at the worst possible time with the worst strategy imaginable.
>you're assuming autocrats are predictable as they become old and senile. and wars are always risky and a gamble, therefore no one would ever start them, right?
Explain to me why china wants to take taiwan. And no I don't but your assesmentbof xi as an old senile autocrat jfc cunt have you seen the powerduo that just started the war in iran? One is a verifiable fanatic that is going from court hearings to war rooms while the other is an absolute imbecile that lies blatantly about absolutely everything, all the time, and goes on demented tirades about somalians at three in the morning

Xi is a fucking model leader compared to these retards. Assumptions that the chinese communist party would give war powers to a leader they deem mentally unfit is ridiculous WE ARE THE ONES THAT DO THAT

>>219792336
>>219792592
fucking kek

>>219792673
1 hour and 22 mins - America disables the entire Iranian military

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>>219792208
It's basically
>Trump did that
>Trump do this
>Trump did that and should've done this instead

Swedish MSM think that we are about to have an election between democrats and republicans and are trying to sway everybody to vote democrat.

It's fucking insane. For every 1000th news report about the USA there's one about Denmark, Norway and Finland.

>>219792653
1937-1952 when Stalin gave 99% of jews the boot.
The USSR by WW2 was basically Russian National Bolshevism.

>>219793958
>Millions dead and displaced, decades of termoil
Upside: no saddam, no threat of major war anymore, possibility of improving under a non-authoritarian government.
>worst strategy imaginable
they're winning with insignificant casualties. what would be a better strategy? the timing is only bad when you consider the ukraine war but it's not like trump would be doing much else there. it's better than threatening to invade greenland again for no reason, at least he's hitting a russian ally.
>Explain to me why china wants to take taiwan.
Face saving and propaganda reasons, also the strategic reason of eliminating potential threats to their ports. You can't launch a navy if you don't have free access to the ocean, those islands are important for keeping any chinese ships penned in.
>Xi is a fucking model leader compared to these retards.
key difference is that trump isn't the dictator of america. even if he's retarded, he will be gone at some point. Xi is consolidating power to himself and currently purging the military leadership. he's an incredible and wise leader like putin was until he does something retarded. the guy is some bureaucrat with a useless degree from the cultural revolution days. you do know that, right? he's not some mega-genius and certainly isn't free of all the human failings that come with that kind of power.
you're also ignoring the fact that capital is already divesting from china and the world is growing more isolationist. soon enough that isn't going to be a relevant deterrent. we're already building towards war.

>>219794222
>Upside: no saddam, no threat of major war anymore, possibility of improving under a non-authoritarian government.
You know who gave saddam the gas he used right? We went there because of Kuwait. Had fucking nothing to do with giving Iraqis democracy. You trade endless human suffering and war for the idea of democracy, nobody else ever did, we secured interests not humanity.
>they're winning with insignificant casualties. what would be a better strategy? the timing is only bad when you consider the ukraine war but it's not like trump would be doing much else there. it's better than threatening to invade greenland again for no reason, at least he's hitting a russian ally
Im sorry but you are a blood thirsty arm chair general. This war isn't over anytime soon. The strategy failed and now they are adopting israeli tier immorality and will inflict extreme suffering on the people. I don't buy your assesment for shit im sorry. Timing is bad for a laundry list of reasons, ukraine being an objective positive in that. Timing is primarily bad because this fucking war was never supposed to be an existential fight for iran, do you think the us wanted to have its bases hit and the gulf states wanted to get hit? Do you think anyone was adequately prepared for what the israelis did out of pure self interest?

You act as if this shit is normal. It isn't. Go read something objective from the experts. Estimates from the cia says even a wider war has nowhere near a guarantee for victory. This fuckfest costs over a billion per day and that will only increase as more assets come into play.

A proper strategy would have been akin to the iraq war. Worldwide solidarity for action instead of condemnation from Allies. Proper diplomacy and an honest set of demands.

Not a fucking fighter squadron that murders the top guy in the country while negotioations are still ongoing.

>>219794222
>China
I wholeheartedly disagree with your evaluation of face saving and the value of the islands strategically. The cost benefit ratio is not there by a long shot. Amphibious assault is a death trap, a naval blockade would tank the chinese economy. Taiwan has a bigger chance of falling without a shot fired because the americans are depleting all their magazinedebt in a retarded dumbfuck war against iran and would thus provide zero deterrence in the coming years.

>Xi
You assume he's consolidated power without consent from the party or become a dictator. The party can and will remove him when they choose.

Our leaders are trainwrecks compared to china right now. We love to assume the worst about them and the vest about ours. He has been educated by being in positions of power, you assume a lot of stupidity to someone who has a rather good record you do realise he didnt just randomly become the leader of china?

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>>219792929
Chinese love going to other countries to die of frostbite

>>219794614
This imbeciles hypocrisy is nothing compared to his lack of integrity in general.

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>WE HAVE TO OVERTHROW THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT AND FUCK UP THE MARKETS SO THEIR WOMEN CAN BE FREE TO WHORE AROUND
yawn

>>219794754
There is a reason our governments condem the war. Killing the people your negotiating with is an historic low for the us, business as usual for the israelis.

The propaganda coming out sucks too. An absolute shitshow