Would you be okay with living in a country where reproduction is handled artificially by the government?What if it also entailed:>0 immigration >no expectation for you to have children yourself (although it's not forbidden)>certain hereditary diseases completely wiped out >population growth always kept at calculated optimum for maximized economic growth >ethnic composition of the nation kept at the exact state it was in when the measure was introduced
I've been a proponent of this for 15 years now
>>220055534Not sure what the government means in this context, this is just extra corporeal pregnancy which is a possible future medical technology.It says nothing about who takes care of the child.
Only if that also includes total sexhaver death
>>220055597I was gonna namedrop Plato in the OP but decided not to, lol.>>220055640>It says nothing about who takes care of the child.As I said, the government.You pay an extra reproduction tax and off that the state raises and educates the children in a communal environment.
It would solve a lot of problems
Just sterilize the following: -immigrants-mentally ill people-people with diagnosed chronic STDs-drug addicts-convicts and ex-convicts of serious crimes (murder, rape, child abuse, terrorism, etc)-children of people who received more welfare than they earned money through working from ages 23 to 30Also make abortion 100% free for the lower income brackets and prohibitively more expensive the higher you go in the income spectrum.
>>220055534>reproduction is handled artificially by the governmentholy soy, a whole nation with daddy issues mentally unstable droneshave you ever met people raised in an orphanage? it's a disaster for anything remotely human
>>220055802People in the distant past were raised by the tribe, not their father
>>220055712I think it would legitimize a lot of the "sicknesses" of Western society into not being sicknesses at all.Gays, incels, 35yo women with 4 dogs and no children? Doesn't matter anymore, they all contribute. Economic conditions making it impossible to have children yourself? No problem, now you can put all your energy into wageslaving for your own sake.
>>220055822tribe is the extended family, government is anything but.
>>220055909Nation is just an extended tribe.
>>220055745But enough about the monarchy, nobility...
>>220056105I like monarchies; I like the sense of hierarchy. Imagine Romania having a prestigious royal family that got to interact with other European kings...
>>220056196You are in urgent need of beheading.
No monarch ever imported millions of violent feral foreign browns/blacks to replace their people and permanently destroy the country. They actually fought those!
>>220055534Yes, of course I do. This and UBI. The only issue would be dealing with whining of women and their brown cuck simps who would almost certainly try to stop it
>>220056253Louis Philippe.
As long as the gov removes women’s rights, removes benefits to sexhavers and permanently closes the borders, then the gov can birth and raise their future army all they want
>>220056325Can you cite those cases, I'm reading about him and it seems like lefties just tried to kill him the entire time lol
>>220056423He let the Polish refugees immigrate to France after their uprising against Russia failed.Also in current day Arab monarchs are making their countries reach like 50% jeet populations with their temp worker policies.
>>220056524>millions of violent feral foreign [...] to replace their people and permanently destroy the country.>polish refugees
>>220055534>Live long enough to be outnumbered by vat slaves. The problem is that most people, including nationalists, will be moronic enough to agree with this if it produces good-looking people they can goon to.
>>220055534um, no? are you insane?
>>220055676This
>>220057944People 200 years ago thought it would be insane to give women rights.
>>220055534naw, it gives goverments too much controlbasically you let them create humans on demand
>>220059248What control does it give them that they don't already have? The only addition would be control over population numbers.
>>220055534>Would you be okay with living in a country where reproduction is handled artificially by the government?no>>What if it also entailed:>>0 immigration can do that anyway>>certain hereditary diseases completely wiped out can just genetically patch those out of normal kids without government involvementgovernments have consistently failed far smaller objectives than overseeing something of this level of importance. we need to be getting rid of government involvement in sections of our lives not adding more. it should be emergency services and courts anything more is just asking for trouble.
>>220056524>He let the Polish refugees immigrate to France after their uprising against Russia failed.From what i heard it was mostly the nobility that came to France. Poorfags got gullaged or just laid low in their villages
>>220059371>governments have consistently failed far smaller objectives than overseeing something of this level of importanceWell the "private sector" is currently failing human reproduction. Government intervention in some form is clearly needed.
>>220055534>Would you be okay with living in a country where reproduction is handled artificially by the government?Nope. Those kids are gonna raped so hard
>>220059493Yeah because child abuse absolutely never ever happens in a familial setting.
>>220059571We're talking small scale rape on the family level vs industrial scale designer baby mass rape my dude. Fuck no I don't want my government to have vat birth programs
Saar?
>>220055534Yes. I think every continent should be capped to 100 million people max (Asia 200 mil) and birthing an unapproved baby should be a severe crime.
>>220059371>tf>tp your government literally has blackmail on world leaders and infiltrated pagers and cameras to kill their political opponentshow is that a good thing but trying to improve human race and life something bad ?
>>220059639>small scaleDelusional lol
>>220059480private sector isnt failing anything no one's stopping you from breeding>>220059920your schizo hallucinations just prove why its a bad idea. if people like you were in charge you'd just go back to the communist-poland dystopia
>>220055534No because fertility clinics already kill over half of the embryos they create
>>220060024I don't know man, it's looking a bit red to me.
>>220060236no one is stopping you from finding a girl and breeding pierre. however atleast for my country if you try force us into some north-korea tier communist hell where the government is involved in reproduction many very angry people will violently stop you.its like you learned nothing from the CCPs collapse
>>220059929Family abuse is not the same thing as organized , national level rape rings my dude
>>220060522Yeah one is an occurrence in the hundreds of thousands, the other in the hundreds. But the former is normal so it doesn't cause as much buzz.>>220060486If almost every single developed to semi-developed country in the world is falling to have replacement-level fertility rates then there is in fact something stopping you from breeding.
>>220060734noyour dick works womens pussies work just go do it. if you let communism take over breeding theyll just use it to enslave humanity harder like communists did with every tool/power they ever got the communist aristocracy was always rich and lived well while the common people were oppressed by communist elites.you personally not wanting to breed is no excuse to have the communist parasite suck the life out of whole nations
>>220060859>dood the COMMUNISM with the COMMUNISTS in the COMMUNISM Get new material.
>>220061044see >>220055534if you dont wanna talk about communism dont make a whole thread dedicated to it
>>220055534sure thing. i don't care about where kids come from as long as things function
>>220055534Yea
>>220055534I dont like the idea of the government controlling genetics. Seems like that would lead to a population of even more easily controlled cowards. When I think humanity is at its ideal best with a mix of compromise and volatility.
>>220060024these are not schizo allegations these are independently confirmed news you can find in mainstream media outlets glad you admitted you lost
>>220061639Nobody said anything about controlling genetics. You just need artificial wombs and donors for something like this to work.
>>220061701Its the logical next step. you have centralized control over wombs, thus you have control over who gets born and who doesnt. thus you have selective breeding. which is fine, but I would like it to be competitive rather than monopolistic, since monopolized products tend to lead to lazy and cost saving products.
>>220061699no one claimed anyone from here blackmailed anyone despite what your walls are telling you jakub. maybe you should seek medical help
>>220055693>the state raises and educates the children in a communal environment.this is the biggest problem, the state has so far only handled kids who have already been started, given models of how to behave by their parents, they're emotionally secure because their mothers haven't abandoned them, the government has never done that and so probably doesn't have a good idea of how to handle itthe feds can learn, yeah, but the first generation or two are going to come out fucked up, so you want to keep those batches small so they can't control society
>>220061797>you have centralized control over wombsNo you haven't. There is no law forbidding you from breeding, you can't enforce something like that and there is no point to it. The way you do it is if in a year you have a deficit of births then you compensate with artificial ones, if you have a natural surplus you don't intervene at all.
>>220059184And they were right.
>>220061875Orphanage kids are nowhere near as maladapted to society as some of you think.
>>220055534No, this should never be made legal. The nuclear family is integral to the development of functional human beings.
>>220062141The nuclear family did not exist for most of humanity's run, Cleetus.
>>220062206And look how shit humanity was for most of it's run, genius.
>>220062256This line of reasoning would lead one to believe thay modern liberal democracy is the peak of societal development, because it's the least shit time to be a human, thougheveralbeit.
>>220061912And how are the births selected? at random? Do they prioritise High IQ probability, "good" genes, etc?
>>220061875>>220055693This has already been tried with the Moshavim and it really works you CAN raise children away from their parents in a communal environment and it works. Orphanages have a bad reputation because they're not managed directly by the government/commune and private owners can exploit children who are completely helpless until 18 but a public entity with 300+ kids in one center monitored 24/7 won't have many mishaps.Then again the Moshavim were batshit insane ultra-commies so maybe not applicable to everything but still
>>220062477I don't particularly care about the matter, whatever offends public sensibilities the least.
>>220055534I imagine china will be the first cunt this takes off in
>>220062206It actually did. People just say otherwise to be smarmy, like how they say nations didn't exist. The ancient Greeks still had a sense of greekness, it just didnt manifest necissarily as a single nation-state, there was still a greek identity of kinship. Likewise, the nuclear family still existed, almost universally direct family members tended to live together more often than more distant members, it just necissarily didnt have to be EXACTLY a father a mother and 2 kids. The tendency to that nucleus still held even if here cousins were a little more likely to stay together, or there grandparents stayed with their children.
>>220055802>have you ever met people raised in an orphanage?I am one. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy..
>>220062637Come on, you're fine. There's plenty of people raised in regular households who'd say the same thing as you.
>>220055534No. It would just reduce the human experience and take away what makes us what we are to no real benefit than making us more hedonistic
>>220062394Modern liberal democracy is the best, it's just the existence of other ethnicities, usually introduced to artificially boost population, is what causes problems. Democracies exist in populations that deserve and can sustain them. Once you add in wogs or test tube babies into the mix then you create slaves of the population.
>>220062719Taming and overcoming nature is part of the human experience, I would retort.>>220062798How are the test tube babies that are genetically identical to regular members of your ethnic group equatable to wogs in this argument, señor Gonzalez?
>>220055534government are filled by retards. why would you want them to raise your kids?
>>220062678>here's plenty of people raised in regular households who'd say the same thing as youAnd nobody who's been raised an orphan has ever said it's good. And never will. You are just a number. One many and your entire childhood is just sterile, cold and boring. There's a reason pretty much every orphan turns into a failed human. Picrel, have some google AI slop. Too lazy to write it all out.
>>220061986Yeah, I'm aware that genetics/race is a big confounder of all that research, but it seems like advanced societies have women spend as much time with young children as possible to socialize them and teach syntax and morality. >>220062488It's better than trying to socialize them with chinese robots, I'll give you that. It seems like that works because you have a bunch of people of all ages who can relate to each other because of shared ethnicity and religion. So you have people to take care of newborns and the kids can partially socialize each other to take the burden off the adults.I don't trust the government to provide anything like that unless they don't have an option. They're afraid of people with a common identity.
>>220062997They've kinda been doing that already for half the day through the schooling system for quite a while now. The sun still rises and the world still spins.
>>220063000Oh stop being such a whiny bitch. Boo hoo I have no mamma! We're gonna make the neo-orphanages super nice with drawings on the walls and tons of fun activities. The kids will love it, I'm sure.
>>220063105Yes, and why would you give them even more power over your kids? People still have some sort of options anyway with current model.>0 immigrantsNext people will just divide themselves based on natural-born and pod-born.>ban natural-bornWhat are you? A communist?
>>220062892Humans are a combination of nature and nurture. Wogs are the worst of both nature and nurture. Genetically identical test tube babies miss critical elements of nurture through being cut off from a line of kinship. The children of single mothers are missing just one parent yet wreak havoc upon nations. Orphans with no connection to anyone to glean from become natural slaves and criminals. There is an invisible inheritance that goes along with genetic inheritance that is no less important. Creating homeless generations of test tube babies effectively resets humanities psychological progress back to prehistory, monsieur Muhammad.
>>220063049>They're afraid of people with a common identity.Look your government is gonna have their wageslaves one way or another and if it's not lab babies it's gonna be brown rapefugees. Even if the elites breed their goycattle to be dumb and subservient at least they won't be as "eccentric" as muzzies or spics with suicide bombings and cartels respectively, and they might even be White if you ask really nicely. If "certain people" get their claws in that system they might demand DEI for the babies but that's a whole nother problem unfortunately.
>>220063362>Next people will just divide themselves based on natural-born and pod-born.I'll take a bit of classism over the current situation of immigrant groups forming insular mini-nations inside their host state.
>>220063437I believe mass deportation is easier to implement than forcing everyone to give up their kids to government full-time.
>>220063409I hear your concern but I say you're heavily overreacting. Yes the kids might come out of this system a bit neurotic, but not to such the degree where it'd cause any significant problems. Children raised in orphanages come out as normal people not as aliens, don't they? At any rate, no matter how fucked up they end up there is no way they manage to match the crime rates of Albanians and Moroccans.
>>220063615>mass deportation is easier to implementIt's essentially impossible to implement actually. I would place mass deportation of all brown people in an even further realm of fiction than what I am describing.
>>220055534>>ethnic composition of the nation kept at the exact state it was in when the measure was introducedWould have been good 100 years ago but why would we do this today?>>220055745Sounds good except for the socialist nonsense of making life more expensive for me because of high income The correct thing would be receiving no child support if you're poor and more and more child support as income rises
>>220063711You get some of those giant transport ships, drill holes in the containers, load them up with whoever, empty them off the coast of Africa.I agree that trying to do it with airplanes is absurd, it's just not cost effective. If Bhutan can do it, France can do it.
>>220063711It is possible but not under a cucked westoid government. You need to strike the fear of God into the undesirables so they leave willingly and you need the spiritual backbone necessary to genocide them if they refuse and to make it extremely clear that they will ALL die if they don't immediately leave. Just look at the 1st Balkan war's genocide of Turks, the "population exchange" of Muslims and christians between turks and greeks post ww1, the Nakba, Arab nations' almost unanimous expulsion of the Jews after 1948, etc. These are just in recent history and with modern technology, AI, and drones a genocide/forced repatriation could be very greatly expedited.
>>220063711>>220063895If the Germans can almost did that back in 1940's, I don't see why not. The USSR also moved around people like video games. Also the US, not ICE stuff, but more trail of the tears thing.
>>220063664In America the term foster kid is basicslly synonymous with messed up. A lot of it is admittedly due to dysgenic origins and early abuse. However being raised with other foster kids and in a foster home is what creates pretty much a natural prison caste. The reason people put so much emphasis on adoption is the theory they are socially malleable and can be improved if put as one child in a larger high functioning natural family. Though learning your adopted tends to shatter the illusion and they grow up fuck up anyways. Adopted kid success stories are basically faith promoting fictions/myths.
>>220055534I dont really think so, unless you give away every baby to adoptive parents, youre gonna have to raise them in government centers, that that would probably result in a 2 class society
>>220064007>that would probably result in a 2 class societyYeah but it's probably like whatever. Even if there are socio-economic differences between the people raised in regular households and those raised in government facilities they'd still be legally equal.
>>220055534No, wanna make my own babies
>>220055534>for maximized economic growth LINEMUST GOUP
Yes. I don't wanna have sex. I want love tho
>>220064812Yes.
>>220064812Companies and governments will always follow the economic incentive so it's better to give it to them desu
>>220063880>but why would we do this today?It gives the elites something to pin the lower classes against each other, granted op's scenario is a bit redundant since governments can just import people if they don't want an ethnic homogeneous country.
>>220065200Also this.
As someone who grew up in foster care in the US, the government can't help the kids already in their care. Do you people actually think this stuff through, or do you not get the chance to buy Peter Tiel's anti-Christ presentation tickets if you are capable of higher reasoning?
