>>220233906
>she jumped from a fifth-floor window . She miraculously survived, but was left with irreversible paraplegia for life , and for that reason, in 2024 she requested assisted dying

Everyone deserves a second chance.

>>220233906
Inhuman that it took that long for them to grant her the right

>>220233906
>just let depressed and mentally ill people off themselves via state taxes bro
>what's the worst that could happen
Its probably one of the most retarded things in modern western society up there with pushing kids and mentally ill adults to pump themselves full of hormones and cut their cocks and tits off to larp as the other sex.

Immediately the issue is that people are going to start being pressured and coerced into it though bad actors and actual angel of mercy serial killers and etc psychos are immediately going to gravitate to it. Its also a bad thing to tell suicidal people that they actually should kill themselves and thats fine since it create a ripple affect that will increase suicides

Some people want to die, but some of them are physically unable to kill themselves. It is only fair that we give them the ability to do so without having them to report to emotionaly manipulate their family or nurses to do it for them

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>noooo you can't heckin choose to end your life when you feel like it because... because you just can't, OK? You need to be a good goypig for the state and pay your taxes and be ready to die in a drone strike whenever your leaders feel like it!
Pretty much every argument against euthanasia boils down to this. I guess there's also the argument that whatever makes the person want to die can potentially be treated, but what are they gonna do in this case, give her legs back? If I became paraplegic I wouldn't want to live either.

Were the rapists sentenced? If not she should kill them first

>>220234086
>Immediately the issue is that people are going to start being pressured and coerced into it
Slippery slope falacy, no data to back that up
>though bad actors and actual angel of mercy serial killers and etc psychos are immediately going to gravitate to it.
No data to back that up
>Its also a bad thing to tell suicidal people that they actually should kill themselves
Subjective opinion
>and thats fine since it create a ripple affect that will increase suicides
Slippery slope falacy, no data to back that up
fucking lmao

>>220234111
You can live life as a cripple and not kill yourself and find meaning in life. Not everyone who is disabled is suicidal.
>nooooooooo just tell the mentally ill to kill themselves its actually a good thing to kill someone if theyre heckin sad
Topkek

>>220233906
is 8th floor safe enough? i really don't want this.

Some Spanish anon go and safe her, show her there can be meaning in life after trauma
There's still time

>>220234149
>You can live life as a cripple and not kill yourself and find meaning in life. Not everyone who is disabled is suicidal.
Great, they can stay alive
>>nooooooooo just tell the mentally ill to kill themselves its actually a good thing to kill someone if theyre heckin sad
Reductio ad absurdum fallacy, still no arguments

>>220234134
This

The rapists should be honor killed. There is a fundamental right to settle this debt, preferably through throwing them off buildings until they die.

>>220234143
>Slippery slope falacy
Yet another anon who doesn't know what a slippery slope fallacy is lmao. Its called the Werther Affect and it doesnt just affect people exploded to sensationalized deaths of celebrities but small scale within friend groups, clubs, and families. As for people being coerced - its an inherent issue thats been a problem within psychology for a long time whether you habe the iq to research that
>No data to back that up
Bad actors always gravitate towards fields where they can be bad actors by inclination hence why schools, summer camps, and churches are hotbeds of pedophiles and why fire departments attract arsonist. Its the same with a certain kind of serial killer
>Subjective opinion
Influencing someone to commit suicide is manslaughter

>>220233906
Many female rape victims eventually end their lives by suicide unless they meet a gentleman who genuinely empathizes with their pain, loves them just as they are, and whom they can fully rely on. Or they literally live a depraved life like whores.

>>220234257
>Yet another anon who doesn't know what a slippery slope fallacy is lmao. Its called the Werther Affect and it doesnt just affect people exploded to sensationalized deaths of celebrities but small scale within friend groups, clubs, and families. As for people being coerced - its an inherent issue thats been a problem within psychology for a long time whether you habe the iq to research that
words words words
>Bad actors always gravitate towards fields where they can be bad actors by inclination hence why schools, summer camps, and churches are hotbeds of pedophiles and why fire departments attract arsonist. Its the same with a certain kind of serial killer
>always
No data to back that up
>Influencing someone to commit suicide is manslaughter
Moving goalposts

>>220234187
>Reductio ad absurdum fallacy
You also dont know what that is either lmao. Its a bad thing to encourage sad people to kill themselves in a normative sense since depression and sadness are temporary experiences. Telling people to kill themselves over something so temporary is a net negative for society, you depend on society whether you like it or not, therefore its bad for you.

I dont want to live in a world of idiotic tragedy and death just because bitter narcissists like you get off on people killing themselves.

>>220234257
You're very rambling and nonsensical.
I'm with Hans on this one, you do not know what you are talking about.

>>220234143
Bodied that fallacy'ing bible thumper

>>220234314
>erm akshully im just trolling
Topkek. Typical

>>220234332
Werther Affect anon, look it up.

>>220234086
im for euthanasia but this is stupid it shouldnt be valid for this

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Damn, what did they do to this girl...

>>220234111
but without people like her surviving how will we invent cures for her condition?

>>220234086
did you miss the part where she's half paralysed and in pain 24/7? and what's the alternative, letting her park her wheelchair on railroad tracks?
not that she would be able to

>>220234324
nobody told her to kill herself you fucking retard

>>220234134
I searched around the internet with spanish search terms and her name and found nothing. Then asked ChatGPT and pretty much got nothing either, see below

>Conclusion:
>There is no public record of convicted suspects (not even identified in recent sources).
>The known legal aspect of the case has focused on euthanasia, not on punishing the aggressors.

Maybe some Spanish native can chime in and find something I couldn't find.

>>220234461
Lots of people are paralyzed, have trauma, and live in pain who arent suicidal. Suicidality is a very specific issue and state sanctioned suicides WILL set a bad precedent that will encourage more suicides and be abused. You dont treat sadness and suffering with murder

>>220234086
>Least deranged Americanoid Christian
If anything western societies aren't doing enough, even today euthanasia for severely disabled people is hardly granted, and very few nations have instituted euthanasia for psychological suffering, almost no nation has moved towards terminal mental illness diagnoses, declaring people with serious mental illnesses as terminal with no hopes for recovery, especially if they have severe physical symptoms directly caused by their mental illnesses

>>220234383
The only time im fine for euthanasia is for guaranteed terminal illnesses or injuries, trying to encourage the suicidal to kill themselves is almost hilariously stupid

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>>220233906
WAIR NOELIA!!!! JUST WAIT!’ WHY!!! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY AT THE PEAK!!!! THIS NEWS BREAKS MY HEARAHHHHHHHHHHH KMS WAIT FOR MR NOELIA!!

>>220234581
>hurr must be Christian
Nope, not even religous. I told you about the Werner Affect and why euthanasia for the suicidal is a bad idea. I made no mention of religion at all l

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>>220233906
>needing state's permission to kill herself

>>220233906
>voted for it award
Kwab. Probably used to go for pro-migrany marches too and have melties over chuds

>>220234255
Amazing how now the kuffar realize the value of honor killing to maintain the peace. Weren't we "barbaric" and "imhumane" for killing trespassers in our communities?

>>220234648
>OU ARE ABSOLUTELY AT THE PEAK!!!!
I should have known the 25-year-old fetishist Japanese flag would show up

>>220233906
I could fix her

>>220234698
>>220234173

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>>220233906
In Spain you get raped by moors and the state's response is to kill yourself lol

Firsties are so rich they just start killing themselves from tax money. Here in my country, a random drug addict robber will happily do that for you, all you gotta do is not hand your phone over.

>>220234724
Do you have any info on the suspects? I could not find anything, see >>220234562

>>220233906
she is cute, yould think that someone that is going to killherself tomorrow would look horrible
in any case, suicide, if you arent brown, is bad

>>220234572
>stop complaining or being sad and suffer untill you die from other causes, as long as it is not assisted sucide you yourself have requested for years
ok, retard. and how do you think this goes, "i'm depressed, can i have some suicide pills please? "sure, here you go senpai"". at least in belgium you have to undergo a thorough investigation by at least three psychologists and it usually takes half a year to be approved. my aunt was euthanised after years of struggle
or put it this way, if your pet is clearly in pain and the vet says there is no cure, do you put it down or let it be in agony untill it dies by itself? have some decency

>>220234134
You bet she voted for it and defended them afterwards

>>220234572
People should be able to choose whether they live or die, it is unethical to force someone who doesn't want to live to live.
>>220234613
No one is encouraging her to commit suicide, she's already suicidal

its like abortion, they justify abortion with the kids born of rapes, and since, here, there hasnt been abortion because of rape, they gave rapist reduced sentence and importen brown people
they create the problem to give you a bad solution

>>220234816
>it is unethical to force someone who doesn't want to live to live.
>>220234822
its even more unethical to put a person in that situation
>>220234816
yes they did...........

>>220233906
She has parents or they are in the sky ? Weird shit if the mom lets this happens

Another victim of multiculturalism. She was gangraped by moroccoan inmigrants.

They destroyed her life. 90% of rapes in Spain are done by inmigrants or "Spanish" gypsies. Like 90% of robberies, murders, etc.

>>220234847
they went to trial, but they lost

>>220234773
>i'm depressed, can i have some suicide pills please? "sure, here you go senpai
Inevitably yes, if you think bureaucracies are incorruptible and efficient agencies 100% of the time then just have a bridge to sell you
>aunt got seen by 3 psychiatrists and was told to kill herself
Didnt know Belgians were so uncivilized
>, if your pet is clearly in pain and the vet says there is no cure, do you put it down or let it be in agony untill it dies by itself
Physical and mental illnesses are not the same.

>>220234847
Sorry, it wasn't really mentioned in the article but her father has allied with Christian legal organizations and went to Court, that's the court case that went all the way up to Strasbourg and has been decided now

Regarding her family:
>Noelia Castillo Ramos (Euthanasia Case - March 2026): According to reports regarding a 25-year-old Spanish woman named Noelia Castillo Ramos who requested euthanasia, her father has opposed the decision and has been trying to stop it along with "Christian Lawyers". Her mother, Yolanda Ramos, supports her.

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>>220234868
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>>220234842
>yes they did
How?

>>220234868
>Another victim of multiculturalism.
Do you have a specific source for that or is it just speculation? I'm just asking because I literally could not find anything

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The state took the custody of her parents and had the great idea to put her in a center with lots of immigrants. She was gangraped by north africans.

>>220234938
by raping her and telling her to kill herself

>>220233906
She killed herself because her therapist gaslighted her into believing she be broken.
Medieval times were more enlightened than the enlightenment

>>220234953
I meant, allowing euthanasia is not the same thing as encouraging someone to commit suicide

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>>220234949
Who is Frontera, can they be trusted as a source?

>>220234816
>it is unethical to force someone who doesn't want to live to live.
Its unethical to convince the suicidal to kill themselves lmao the fuck are you talking about.

>>220234981
raping her and telling her to kill herself is

>>220235016
No idea, no big media reported on this case because it was immigrants 100% but who knows if the rest of the story frontera says is true

>>220235027
who's convincing her to commit suicide?

>>220235027
>convince
no one is convincing anyone to take their own lives you lying rat. but if you have a source to prove she's being pushed towards euthanasia, please do
>>220234981

lots of disingenuous anons here
here when a girl is pregnant the doctor ask her if she wants to have an abortion, its the protocol, just putting the idea in the head is encouraging it
and we all know this because they tried to change the protocol in castille and leon a few years back to not ask if she wanted an abortion and give her a 3d eco thing and to ear the heart and the left went bananas
>>220235076
the left, by raping her and telling her to killherself

>>220235117
>telling her to killherself
when?

https://x.com/AlbertoCal40606/status/2036853146060763316

This guy mentioned that it was "3 guys in a club" who allegedly did it

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>>220234694
Bro it’s me. Long time no C. This news hit me so hard .

>>220235167
a while back, when they raped her and told her to kill herself

>>220235076
Society. The state. Telling her she has the option they are willing to go through by giving her a state sanctioned suicide. That is giving her actual validation for suicidality. You right now are defending her "right" to kill herself

The level of brainwashing is just next level

>>220235103
>one is convincing anyone to take their own lives you lying rat.
Validating the suicidal with a state sanctioned act of assisted suicide is inherently validating the impulses of the suicidal and ive already told you about how it's a known phenomenon that suicides tend to cause increaes in other suicides through a copy cat affect once people see it become socially permissible

>>220235235
>This news hit me so hard .
She's still alive, the schedule date is tomorrow. Maybe she will pull out last minute and change her mind.

>>220235270
You've got it backwards, she herself, without anyone urging her to, is seeking euthanasia.

>>220235384
It's somewhat of a hen and egg question, no?
Is she seeking euthanasia because she knows it's been legalized in Spain? If euthanasia were illegal in Spain, would she have attempted to end it once again on her own or would she have kept on living? We don't know, really.

>>220235312
>it's a known phenomenon that suicides tend to cause increaes in other suicides through a copy cat affect once people see it become socially permissible
Those are people who are already suicidal, even though they might not have realised suicide was an option, they most likely wished they were dead.

>>220235384
>she herself, without anyone urging her to,
You. Right now. Are normalizing suicide. Thats the entire phenomenon of supporting euthanasia for mental disorders. You are normalizing suicide lmao. She had an impulse to harm herself and end her life, you are telling her she ought to. Do you not see the issue?

>>220235383
She has been visited by christian organizations offering her support and trying to change her mind and it didn't work tho

>>220234086
too bad your ilk is never interested in providing help to these people or trannies and just want them to suffer perpetually because letting them die is a sin but helping them in any other way is kommunist

>>220235459
That's true but during the actual prodecure, with death being imminent, she might still become scared and call it off.
Similarly to death row inmates acting all tough beforehand but starting to cry once they have to lie down and get injected with chemicals.

In my personal opinion, I think it's her choice and hers only but I do hope she keeps on living. It's very twisted that we don't even know who the perpetrators are and if they are in prison or not while she has to suffer so much.

>>220235312
do you know the difference between validating and convincing, because it appears you don't
you seem to have a very warped idea of how trivial getting an approval for euthanasia actually is. it isn't. it's a last resort when no other options are available.
no one is telling them to kill themselves so how retards like you and that spanish retard came to this conclusion i have absolutely no idea

>>220234018
Kek

>>220235459
? from reading this thread i thought everyone was encouraging her to commit suicide

>>220235446
Is it an impulse, or a personal choice, made anticipating whether she'll be happy in the long run or not? Of course she could be happy in the long run if she kept living, but I don't experience her life, she does, she's much better at evaluating her long term chances of happiness than I am.
>you are telling her she ought to.
I'm saying whether she lives or dies should be up to her.

>>220233906
Probably deserved

>>220235446
>mental disorders
>Her health condition is serious. Paraplegia prevents her from moving from the waist down and causes her severe neuropathic pain. Due to this episode, she remained hospitalized for years in a specialized medical center. She uses a wheelchair and has a 74% disability.
do you want to live like this?

>>220235543
>but during the actual prodecure, with death being imminent, she might still become scared and call it off.
i recall this was a debate back on the day, because if you said that if something ever happened to you you would like to be put down, they didnt account for your opinion after that happened to you

they create the problem to give you a bad solution

>>220235669
Shit I thought this was like the case of that moron dutch woman. Next time better read everything first tee hee

>>220235671
>we should euthanize the disabled if theyre sad
No

>>220235701
>that moron dutch woman
now you got me interested, who were you thinking of?

>>220235671
Also I know plenty of people who are disabled and do not want to kill themselves, theres lots of reasons to be sad and none of them are good enough reasons to kill yourself. Unless you have a terminal illness and are guaranteed to die, assisted suicide is not a valid option. Not only is it self destructive it has a real, malignant impact on the rest of society

>>220234086
>with state taxes
she's already a burden on state taxes since actual 1st world countries have free healthcare

>>220235640
>anticipating whether she'll be happy in the long run or not?
Being happy is not the only reason to live and yes people who are sad do not permanently stay thay way nor need to be. Suicide can be an impulse , about a quarter of them are, but the action in itself is self destructive and harmful to the individual and society at large whether planned or impulse. Its an act which is wrong in itself for those reasons and encouraging it is abhorrent

>>220235808
nah, spanish people(or any native in any western country) arent a burden

>>220235747
There was a young 20something dutch woman who hopped into the suicide pod, she said because ptsd but probably it was the ultimate way to get more attention before croacking

>>220235922
https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/16/dutch-woman-euthanasia-approval-grounds-of-mental-suffering
This?

>>220235957
Probably

>>220234255
>Honor killed
Fuck off with that cuck shit. That's exactly why retards gonna be retards and terrorize normal people, rapist scum gonna be killed humanely or worse gonna be put in jail and live with 3 meals a day for years paid by you and me. You think vision of life like this will scare them? Every one who took a part in raping should be beat to the point when they are paralyzed waist down, sat them down on wheelchairs and send to quarry, attach a cart to the wheelchair, fill it with stone and tell them to move it when it needs to be moved. If they won't move, shock them with electrocity, they gonna move. After a week of work, the money they earned is sent to victim or victim family, they decide if they want to cut some money to feed them so they can work another week or starve them to death. You show the world how you treat scum and they will think twice next time

>>220235767
>theres lots of reasons to be sad and none of them are good enough reasons to kill yourself
For you they aren't, for some other people they are, by denying them access to euthanasia, you are forcing them to live when they don't want to.

>>220234143
>Slippery slope falacy, no data to back that up
It's aleady happening in Canada. MAID is just another "treatment" there now, and can be approved as quickly as one day. 5% of Canadians now die by euthanasia, and it's commonly recommended for a variety of easily surviveable conditions. Slippery slope is not even a fallacy, it's just true in every case.
>Doin X will lead to more of X
>SOURCE? ACTUALLY DOING X WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON ANYTHING BECAUSE... UHHH...

>>220235767
being in eternal pain untill you die sounds like a valid reason
>it has a real, malignant impact on the rest of society
like being made aware there are other options besides a train or swallowing a bullet? if anthing it reduces actual suicides. and again, you need to undergo a deep physical and mental evaluation. for some reason you keep ignoring this. why?

>>220233906
I could have saved her.

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>>220236158
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d5d54glreo

>>220235729
>we should permit the disabled who are in severe chronic pain euthanasia if they request it
yes?
also, answer this please
>do you want to live like this?

>>220236209
>if anthing it reduces actual suicides
Yes, by taking its place and normalizing suicide. Total suicides are going up in all countries with euthanasia laws.
>you need to undergo a deep physical and mental evaluation
Not in every country, they are being relaxed year by year.

>>220234143
The usaean, like clockwork that points to the correct time twice per day, brings up an issue though: if it enters national/state welfare planning, it WILL be eugenics from the backdoor, via "costsaving" argumentation. Life itself becomes even further commodified and the issue of euthanasia sprang up because of the general overhaul of established attitudes towards what we know as public healthcare during the covid lockdowns.

>>220233906
>Abortion is totally good and need to be allowed
>But euthanasia is literally lolocaust

We live in clown world

>>220236370
>We live in clown world
We will know tomorrow if that's the case or not

>>220233906
This is vile. Anything but catching the rapists and helping her. Pedro Sanchez is the scum of the earth.

>>220236296
>"costsaving" argumentation
Yes, it has already, today, now, reached this point in Canada. Politicians consistently highlight cost-effectiveness as one of the MAIN pros of euthanasia.
>Summary table 2 presents the incremental financial impact of expanding MAID as proposed in Bill C-7. The gross reduction in health care costs is estimated at $66.5 million. As can be seen, even though the number of
incremental MAID deaths is 82% smaller than the number of MAID deaths
under the current legislation (Bill C-14), the gross reduction in costs is only 24% smaller since newly eligible patients under Bill C-7 are expected to
initiate MAID earlier. The cost of administering MAID is estimated at $4.4
million, and thus, the net reduction in health care costs for provincial
governments will amount to $62.0 million.

>>220236427
>Pedro Sanchez
he really is a piece of shit

>>220233906
If she was raped by spaniards it would have been all over the news, so I'm 99% sure it was inmigrants, specially since it's Barcelona
I feel like they are clearly omitting information

>>220236694
like you wouldnt believe, and any left winger

>>220236398
If she has no husband (or wife she can become a lesbo) and children and doesn't work in socially important job she has every right to fucking kill herself. I will not stop her

>>220236458
Fuck cost saving bullshit might as well enact a Modest Proposal with those fucking ingrate retards that are called politicians nowdays, they will do it too cause they are that retarded and heartless. Aristotle was right "Nor was civil society founded merely to preserve the lives of its members; but that they might live well: for otherwise a state might be composed of slaves..." we have become tools to them that they just discard. We live like slaves.

>>220236458
>Yes, it has already, today, now, reached this point in Canada. Politicians consistently highlight cost-effectiveness as one of the MAIN pros of euthanasia.
but they enver say anything about deporting brown people, last week in denmark they said that a somalian cost like 1 mill over all his life to taxpayers

>>220233906
I'm conflicted about this one. Some times mercy kills are justified and it's actually more respectful to grant people their wish than to deny them to die. Especially if this girl lives with constant neurological pain on top of all the other horrible stuff.

Will all those people who appeal her euthanasia also go on a crusade against the state for creating the conditions and allowing it to happen? Or will they stay quiet about it and just focus their efforts of keeping her alive to live in misery? Thinking about those Christians especially. Haven't their church played a major role in bringing in migrants?

>>220235970
Just hang em and be done with them

>>220233906
her family is evil and selfish

>>220236933
>be done with them
why? that's no fun

>>220236911
>Will all those people who appeal her euthanasia also go on a crusade against the state for creating the conditions and allowing it to happen?
If, as some other Spanish anons claim here, the ethnic origin of the perpetrators is sweeped under the rug and not reported as part of the case, then there can't be any kind of protest either.
Assume they really were foreigners, you can't know for sure since not a single news outlet has actually provided proof of their identities. You'd be a fool to take to the streets over what's pretty much just a hunch or a suspicion.

>>220236999
>you can't know for sure
Except everyone do know for sure. You're just making excuses for inaction.

Personally I've had it with flabby, impotent Christian conservatives. They're not morally good people for trying to keep this girl alive. They're cowards who refuses to actually deal with reality. The same type of people who would want to prevent women aborting babies that were raped into them.

>>220236933
No, harvest any resources that can be harvested from them, in pain preferably
Nice dubs btw

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>>220234143
>THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ISN'T HECKING VALID, CHUD!
The slippery slope is always there.

>>220237243
>Except everyone do know for sure.
What are you talking about, even ITT the Spanish anons are just claiming stuff. Nothing about the suspects has been made public.

>>220236959
her father went to trial to stop it

>>220237243
Yeah that my issue with the story too. They now care about her because she wants to broke tenets of their faith by killing herself. Now imagine if she tried to find a job and she couldn't find it because all were taken by wholesome and non Muslim indians. They would say something like:

>THOSE JOBS WERE PROMISED TO SANJAY AND RANJEET 4000 YEARS AGO ! JUST SUCK IT UP GIRL AND MAKE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS BETTER!

>>220237396
>implying anyone can turn kids anything by talking
idiotic person

>>220237243
>They're cowards who refuses to actually deal with reality
the reality is that the left raped her and now is telling her to kill herself
>The same type of people who would want to prevent women aborting babies that were raped into them.
yeah, exactly the same, since 2022 in spain there havent been abortions for rapes(its true that there are some abortions that werent given a reason, but in any case it would be a very small number), so the left is trying to change that, by reducing the senteces of rapists and by importing more brown people
raping young girls and giving them the option to abort it doesnt make you a better person

they create the problem to give you a bad solution

>>220236284
in my opinion it's better to do it in a controlled environment when there is beyond doubt the suffering and/or death is terminal
better that than scraping together bodyparts on a railway or cleaning the paveway next to a tall building
there were around 4,5k euthanasias in belgium in 2025, half of them being cancer patients. do we really have to let them die of cancer instead of ending it with dignity? does this girl deserve to suffer endlessly?

>>220237707
>telling her to kill herself
why do you keep repeating this. repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth?

>>220237844
kiss you enough times and you become my gf?

>>220237707
>the left
>the left
>the left
I assume you're a Catholic? Your church is just as guilty as the atheistic left in bringing african rapists into Europe, housing them and protecting them from deportation.
Either confront your church about it or I don't want to hear a fucking word from you.

Rape babies aren't sacred blessed life. They're abominations that should never see the light of day. If you think otherwise your morality is twisted and sick.

>>220233906
did they release any info on the rapists

>>220237904
No, which has fueled speculation that they must be foreigners since if they were Spanish, it would have been reported on back when the crime happened

>>220237899
>They're abominations that should never see the light of day
same can be said about all dysgenics btw including bastard/fatherless babies, genetic defects, autism, sub-19cm penis and sub 180cm height, sub 140 iq, etc.

>>220235970
Dude. You have an incredible imagination. I would make have you draft the punishments for crimes in my ethnostate.

>>220237844
btw, i think you are extremely dishonest
>>220237899
same for you, very dishonest, i tell you that in spain since 2022 there havent been a single abortion for a rape(with that disclaimer, there are abortions that they dont share the reason) and you still continue talking about rape babies????
dudeeeee, you didnt had breakfast, calm dolm

>>220234724
Clown world desu

Assisted suicide should be available for anyone who wants it. The tax payers don't want to pay for them. The families don't want to see them. This is the best way out for both parties.

She can't walk anymore so I don't see the issue. If she was normal then there'd be an actual debate.

>>220238110
>The tax payers don't want to pay for them.
Reducing human life to a number in monetary terms is unsurprisingly very American
It's not like e.g. cancer patients in most Western countries have previously paid into health insurance as well and therefore financed other people's treatment, and now it's their turn to receive treatment from the system.

>>220237899
>They're abominations that should never see the light of day.
That's a shameful thing to say about your fellow Human beings

why not just go to Switzerland and get it done quickly? No need for lengthy court battles.

>>220238110
>The tax payers don't want to pay for them
>Assisted suicide should be available for anyone who wants it
so which is it?

>>220238338
he meant paying for their health-care costs by keeping them alive.

>>220233906
The fact that she has to go beg the state to let her die is obscene. The state should never allow itself to usurp her right to possess and use the requisite tools herself for any reason, without anyone's permission, without exception.

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>>220233906
>>220234086
>noooooooo you cannot end your life and pain you. must. SUFFER!!!!

>>220238445
yeah i guess, but not all the people that ask for one are sick/have costly treatmens
>>220238450
let her die=/=killing
cam onnnnnn, try not being the most dishonest person in the planet

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>>220233906
Am I a psychopath if I think rape victims’ suicide attempts are overdramatic?

>>220238542
Very Korean post

>>220238527
if you are physically fine then you can debate the merits of euthanasia. If you aren't then I don't see a debate then. If life sucks because you are disabled then you should be allowed to die.

>>220233906
In my opinion the ECHR in its jurisprudence has been too lenient towards European States in regards to the margin of appreciation when it comes to euthanasia, they should start imposing the habeas corpus rights more effectively

>>220238453
Not christian, not religious. The fact people think being anti suicide is a religous thing is mind blowing

>>220236262
>yes?
No. Absolutely not. We should not kill people if they are just sad lmao
>do you want to live like this?
Everyone has issues, I know people who are disabled who live good lives. No i do not want them to kill themselves when they get sad. I myself have many, many issues a lot of people have told me they would've offed themselves over. I do not condone suicide

>>220238654
i think that it would be better if we didnt create sitiations so that people kill themselves/have abortions
i think that this case if the left trying to destroy civilization, they took it from her family, knowing very well that she would live a worse life
the same with rapes, they know that more rapists=more rapes, tehy want more rapes to justify abortions
so, since the debate its broken, one side is creating the problems so that they can give a bad solution to them, i wont play
other thing that came to mind, the left here used to kill people, because in spanish law the orphans are given some money, so that they could steal from this money, they killed fathers so that they could steal from orphans
its like, no im not agaisnt giving money to orphans, im against you killing fathers to create orphans
conclusion, lefties are NOT human, not by any serious definition
and you should be allowed to die =/=killing them

>>220236039
>for some other people they are
No, they NEVER are. Im not forcing them to live, you are trying to convince them to kill themselves. Suicide is an issue of free will, you dont need the state to approve of a suicide to do it. Its immoral, its self destructive, and is not a "right" its an affliction.

>>220238542
People deal with trauma differently. Some people have the mental fortitude to bear some traumatic events, while another person might live in agony.

If we had laws like Switzerland and Canada I would be dead long time ago. Does suicide tourism exist in any country on this planet?

>>220239367
I assume it would be easier to just buy a gun/rope/drugs than to pay for a plane ticket and all these medical procedures

euthanasia should only be granted to prople who have an irreversible physical condition a with no viable way to kill themselves (e.g. quadriplegics).
there are places where it's granted to people who are depressed and that's dystopian

>>220233906
Every human being has the right to die as they wish.

>>220238928
>they NEVER are
>im not forcing them to live
So which one is it?
>it’s immoral
Why?
>self destructive
By definition
>is not a right
I mean if you’re talking about the state paying for it then yes but you seem to be talking about suicide as a whole, in which case who are you to stop someone’s own choice that only affects themselves?

>>220238876
>We should not kill people if they are just sad
But he wasn’t talking about mental disorders he said disabled and in chronic severe pain. Why are you avoiding the question?

>>220238290
If your daughter was raped by a nigger would you want the black bastard aborted or would you force her to take care of it and raise it? I don’t consider you human if you would take the second option, just livestock similar to pigs or cattle with zero dignity, and see no reason to treat you any differently

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and what punishment did the morrocans who raped her get?

>>220238928
>you dont need the state to approve of a suicide to do it
You actually do in the case of a disabled person unable to carry out the job on their own. She would require assistance and, by law where assisted suicide is illegal, the persons providing it would be criminally responsible for her death. That is why this is a problem for the government and the legal system.

>>220233906
People don't want her to die because she's pretty
Doesn't sound like her life is worth living to her, if she wants to die she should be allowed to
What drove her to her current state is irrelevant because it doesn't change anything

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>>220238542
Honestly, I never understood why rape is portrayed as such a horrible, life-changing event. It's just a penis inside of you for a few minutes, and a significant amount of women orgasm during their rape.

>>220241274
dont post again

>>220234949
>The state took the custody of her parents and had the great idea to put her in a center with lots of immigrants. She was gangraped by north africans.
its sadly ironic how safer women would be if good men could rule the world
she most certainly is one of those who voted for it, but even then i feel nothing but sadness about it
i wish people could be helped against their will. these people keep underestimating africans and they'll keep doing so until they all die

>>220233906
how much does it cost to euthanize one person? cant they just mass produce fentanyl pills which are cheap and painless to die by? then literally anyone can off themselves, cant force people to live

B-but Trump is the evil one

>hurr durr I'm going to repeat the phrase she voted for it a million times
She was 15 when she got raped chuds are literally retarded and should have their necks snapped

>>220241454
You vill live and you vill go to vork and you vill make the line go up. Or else!

>>220241488
Just when Merkel opened European borders for Muslims illegally

NO CONNECTION HERE

>>220241499
yea gen z are gunna change that lol

>>220234822
You just made me check because i never asked myself that but and apparently only 5% of total rapes result in pregnancy
So most of the rapists don't cum inside or what?

>>220234816
It's tacitly encouraged through it's legality. Convince is the wrong word, but you're kidding yourself if you think just because they aren't litterly saying "you should kill yourself" they aren't encouraging it. If nothing else, they're affirming her suicidal compulsions. These aren't stable, clear thinking people, and are easily influenced.
>>220234773
I'd prefer not to be the states pet.


More important than any issue of "morality", this kind of thing effectively gives the state the right to kill people for vague quasi-medical reasons without even the hint of responsibility. One """misunderstanding""" and you're done. It's not comparable to anything else, not even the death sentence.

>>220240985
Except i said we shouldn't kill them if they're just sad. Chronic pain can be treated , a terminal illness cannot. Letting a young woman kill herself becauses she sad is encouraging people to do the same if they also are sad and suicidal is insane.

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>>220233906
She voted for it. I hope nafris rape even more of these retarded whores.

>>220233906
She voted for it
>Catalan
KEEEEK

>>220235539
>letting them die is a sin but helping them in any other way is kommunist
Not a Christian. Not religious. I want to help peolle overcome their issues and become stronger people not give up and kill themselves through state sanctioned suicide programs because its objectively immoral and harmful to society. The issue with transgender surgeries and treatment is mainly that it's an ideological delusion that promotes self harm through drugs and genital mutilation as "treatments" whose results have been extremely questionable.

>>220241795
nigga it was probably her dad or uncle or some shit.

>>220237899
The states that house the most of the rapefugees in Germany are majority dogtestant. Take your slander somewhere else, scum.

>>220241795
>Source: my ass

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>>220241840
>>220241933
>nooo bro it wasn't the heckin innocent immigrants pls bro believe me
Yeah, it was just the "youth", or "minors" as they call them here.

>>220241714
>So most of the rapists don't cum inside or what?
Congozuelan education.

>>220233906
i think euthunasia makes chuds seethe with rage and therefore i support it. all the threads about canada are delicious

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this is satanic. it's literally insane. cartoonishly evil. how is this real.
how has society gotten like this? it all happened so quickly.

>>220241223
This guy gets it

>>220241987
I don't get why people care so much.

>>220241952
Do only sterile and barren women have pheromones that attract rapists? lol

>>220242059
Not every insemination results in impregnation. Most don't.

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She's basically a metaphor for all europe, being raped by immigrants and choosing to kill herself rather than confronting reality. Deserved rape.

>>220234562
bump. haven't found anything yet either

>>220242040
The sad fact of the matter is that most people can be socially engineered into doing just about anything. Anytime you hear about how insane cults get so many people to join most people would assume
>wow those people must be idiots
But in reality most people gravitate towards those groups due to emotional and social weaknesses and otherwise good intentioned and intelligent people can be convinced to do pretty crazy stuff. You can normalize just about anything you want eventually. NXIVM and Aum Shinrikyo were full of college educated and successful career oriented people , a heart surgeon was one of the people responsible for the sarin gas attack in Tokyo. It doesnt take much to convince normal people
>hey maybe cutting your cock off and legally killing yourself afterward if you regret it should be assisted by the state
>its actually super equal and really forward thinking to do that

>>220242145
stop posting that RT whore you dirty monke

>>220233906
>The Catalan woman was the victim of a gang rape
guess the skin colour of the assailants

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>>220242221
Holy fuck, the brownoid mudslime damage control is out in full force. Keep seething, go make some indirect reply threads about Brazil while you're at it.

>>220242145
Oh my a good looking white woman the instinct for every brownie is simp for her

>>220242249
that's better
just keep that FSB shill where she belongs, in the trash

>>220241454
It's the time for the approved (union) healthcare provider to do the consult, process the paperwork, appear as scheduled and push the morphine. The drug cost is negligible.

>>220242249
>the Spanish far-left
This makes it seem like she's fringe and insignificant, but she's Pedro Sanchez' former "Minister of Equality". Lmao.

>>220242059
A menstrual cycle lasts around a month. Women are only fertile in the ovulation phase which typically lasts a week or so.

>>220242249
>whatever their skin color (not white)

>>220234086
You are right.

>>220242333
It's always the same shitty story everywhere. Why do people think you don't have to show ID in blue states in America to vote. When you have to show ID in every other situation. They just want to generate votes and remain in power through inviting immigrants. Then they rationalize in their minds that immigration is basically a good thing anyway even if the plan doesn't work out. It's such a tiring thing and when people finally see through the bullshit they're too old and ruined society already

>>220242387
Spaniards are golliwog nignog shitskins themselves!

>>220241454
i guess it depends. a terminally ill granny with cancer doesn't take much effort to come to the conclusion it's for the best, while in this case the legal battle alone cannot have been cheap

I don't get it, why can't she do it herself

>>220233906
>dead foid
who gives a shit

>>220234926
omg, a work of art

She a nazi eugenicist and should be canceled.

>>220242332
>red tape
all needless beauracratric faggotry, it can all be bypassed, this isnt rocket science
>>220242473
just make it a constitutional right, completely axe the procedural charade, anyway all this cringe will end once gen z become law makers, much more objective thinking, it will be completely efficient

Every day that passes it is more clear that any violent insurrection, armed groups or coup d'etat against these sick and treasonous western regimes followed my mass executions of liberals and leftist pieces of shit is completely justified. People "on our side" need to start mentalizing this, preparing psychologically and accepting this reality, not to squirm or back down when things get ugly. The biggest block road to this, as always, are cuckservatives.

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>>220243794
>all this cringe will end once gen z become law makers, much more objective thinking, it will be completely efficient
You're so cute

>>220243794
bruh this should be a last resort and not to be taken lightly. this retarded mutt ITT is retarded but handing out assisted suicide like candy is not how this should be handled, that's the other extreme of "keep suffering untill you die lmao"

>>220233906
modern women got it rough, working, no marriage and occasional rape

>>220234383
>>220234086
Why not. Seems like the perfect scenario for this. Nobody asked your opinion anyways. No one needs to continue suffering because every retard like you has an opinion.

>>220234149
>>220241737
>It's tacitly encouraged through it's legality.
Good. We should also make it legal to kill anons like you.

>>220234086
West has fallen billions must not die?

>>220244054
>handing out assisted suicide like candy
people are going to kill themselves regardless, its funny how all this muh popluation too big faggots suddenly grow a heart when people wanna off themselves at will, there is literally no problem from this, its a complete non issue, the vast majority of the population is not and will never be suicidal, this is just tax schadenfreude, goovernment doesnt want you outsmarting them, all the debt theyve accumlated has to fall on someones shoulders, not anymore

>>220234134
I guess now they are honored citizens thanks to Perro Sanchez pro moroccan policy.
>>220234674
> Weren't we "barbaric" and "imhumane" for killing trespassers in our communities
The average population here isn't that different from muslims, it's the ruler class and their college brainwashed cucks those who impose us all the foreign leftist secular retardation.

>>220234868
Don't sorry, she definetly supported that since like 90% of spanish women are leftists.

>>220244054
Which part of this story suggests that it was granted lightly and for no reason? Go back to /pol/ you subhuman abominations.

>>220243664
why is her mother so happy, no wonder she doesnt want to be around her

>>220244323
ffs that's what i'm saying. you don't get approved untill your case has been investigated. the cucknadian suggesting we should hand them out like candy is where i deeply disagree

I can't believe this is a real story. I thought it was clickbait or someone was exaggerating but the fat this is 100% real is insane

It's crazy to me that we went from protecting human life and dignity from mental illness, to celebrating deranged troons that mutilate their bodies and victims of nafri rape that kill themselves, and we tell ourselves that's progress.

>>220238827
it's not really that mind blowing

>>220244548
>4channer caring about any human life form that is not thiers
kek stop larping, in the next life you will know how many suicides you directly caused

>>220241274
this desu

>>220244575
that's a really nasty thing to say, anon

>>220244558
being religious is actually a better argument FOR suicide, existentially it makes no difference, and even institutions like the catholic church argue people who commit suicide are not mentally well, which strips them of culpability from a mortal sin

>>220244599
its true for all you feigners of morality

>>220244622
projection

>>220243664
Having such a type of mother myself made me full on chud mysoginist like a an incel but i was blaming both women in that pic. I shouldnt have done that. Mother should obviously be violently killed.

>>220244575
>how many suicides you directly caused
Way less than the people who push for easy access to euthanasia.

>>220244651
So basically you admit you like pushing people to suicide but you dont want them to have access to it so that you can continue doing it. Yea thats what i expected from someone with this rhetoric.

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Elon has weighed in

>>220244692
"Sacred life" and "suicide is sin" niggers in a nutshell.

>>220242675
she fucking tried but now she's on a wheelchair. She can't jump off no mo

I've seen the vast majority of leftist Europeans on X celebrating this. Truly bizarre, self-loathing people

>>220245334
>muh left muh right
Back to pol

>>220245381
Shut the fuck up you Labour-voting Paki-loving grooming gang apologist. Rupert Lowe's inquiry has revealed that not only is the entire UK state apparatus, including local government, judiciary, CPS, BBC and law enforcement working with the Paki grooming gangs, virtually every British adult above the age of 20 - including those posting here - is complicit. There isn't a single Britroach alive who isn't a rape apologist nonce who supported and defended the Pakis, and are still actively doing so

>>220245404
>bad thing happen therefore i should tolerate right wing chudcels
In your dreams. Back to /pol/.

>her dad not respecting her wishes and hiring Cristian lawyers to stop the procedure for years.
What is the final solution to the christian question?

>>220245443
>pedobong supports paki child rape
color me surprised

>>220244109
>>220244161
Further proof that people who push this garbage are just psychopathic misanthropes lmao

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>>220244976
>yes I encourage people to kill themselves BUT NOT LIKE THAT YOU FUCKIN CHUD

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>>220245852
Its just self-loathing britcucks and their cultural spawn being their authentic selves under the phony politeness they take such pride in

all that faggot whining is about giving the government more control i wish he would fight as hard for abolishing age of consent so we can all have loli wives

>>220245462
>dad doesn't want to see his own daughter die
not too hard to understand, no? despite all of what happened

The jeets have discovered the case
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/noelia-castillo-ramos-5-things-to-know-on-spanish-woman-undergoing-euthanasia-after-years-of-legal-battle-101774481269228.html

>In 2022, Noelia was staying in a government-run center for vulnerable young people in Barcelona. While there, she was badly assaulted by a gang which caused her a lot of trauma.
So she was 22 when it happened in 2022? Some anons said she was a minor, I'm confused

>>220234674
No you retard. Honor killings in the historical context involve killing the woman, for silly reasons like being a rape victim or refusing an arranged marriage because in these cases, the woman is a lesser being that must die to erase the shame shes somehow caused.

This is completely different, the honor killing i suggest comes purely from vengeance and justice for the wrongs done to noelia, wrongs that are treated as the grave injustices they are because noelia is treated as a full human being.

>>220235970
Did you not read the part where I said they should be thrown out of buildings until they die? The executioners get paid by the hour, unless you want your taxes raised to cover your elaborate scheme, settle down alright?

>>220235270
>>220241737
Is legalizing abortion a tacit 'encouragement' to abort?
Is legalizing guns an 'encouragement' to kill people?
You're dumb as balls.

>>220237812
You're fucked up- euthanasia may have a place. However there should be palliative care and such to support a quality of life that enables a tolerable, meaningful, even enjoyable life for those with terminal iillnesses. Euthanasia should be way down the list of options.

>>220246065
>does legalizing abortion lead to more abortions
Yes, its a medical procedure that takes some skill so access to infrastructure and normalizing the behavior is pretty key
>does legalizing gun ownership encourage more gun violence
Objectively no theres no correlation between guns per capita and gun violence however it does increase the lethality of suicide attempts due to easy gun access

When it comes to suicide itself however theres something called the "Werner Affect" which is a well documented phenomenon where famous suicides encourage more suicides which exists on the small scale as well. So yes, legalizing state sanctioned suicides and making it normalized will encourage the suicidal to commit suicide. Theres a concept in social psychology called "social proof" you might want to look into

>>220238450
she's paraplegic from a failed attempt
not everybody has the luxury of living in texas where you can buy a shotgun off armslist in a parking lot of a walmart and have access to one of the most reliable and painless methods of suicide (if done correctly which is piss easy to do anon)

>>220246108
>>does legalizing abortion lead to more abortions
Legalizing x leads to more x. This is true for everything retard. That's not an argument against x unless you prove x is in itself a bad thing.
>there's no correlation between guns and gun deaths
There literally is kek.
>werther effect
There's literally no significant association between legalized assisted dying and suicide rates.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39652678/

>>220246155
>This is true for everything retard. That's not an argument against x unless you prove x is in itself a bad thing
Didnt say it did, retard. You just admitted i was right btw. Yes legalizing abortions leads to more abortions , if abortions are morally wrong is a separate question.
>There literally is kek.
Why does Brazil have a gun ownership rate of 8 per 100 and Finland have a gun ownership rate of 30 per 100 yet Brazil has far more gun violence and gun deaths per capita than than Finland?

>There's literally no significant association between legalized assisted dying and suicide rates
Anon, in the United States only those with terminal illnesses can seek assisted dying. NOT anyone who is just depressed. The Werther Affect is a proven phenomenon and even in the conclusion you clearly didnt read it states
>This finding contrasts with other studies that have reported a positive association between suicide rates and MAID, and so calls into question one argument against MAID legalization.
Because thr field of psychology when it comes to these studies has a massive issue with the replication crisis. You know what doesnt? The Werther Affect.

Today's the day huh...

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>>220246208
>Didnt say it did, retard. You just admitted i was right btw. Yes legalizing abortions leads to more abortions , if abortions are morally wrong is a separate question.
That's not an 'encouragement' to seek abortions though you idiot. Just because you legalize something and incidences of it increase does not mean it was 'encouraged' in any way.
>Why does Brazil have a gun ownership rate of 8 per 100 and Finland have a gun ownership rate of 30 per 100 yet Brazil has far more gun violence and gun deaths per capita than than Finland?
>why do outliers exist
See pic related
>>This finding contrasts with other studies that have reported a positive association between suicide rates and MAID, and so calls into question one argument against MAID legalization.

That's because that previous study which was cited groups in assisted suicides with conventional suicides (self initiated deaths). Without assisted suicides being grouped in there's no significant changes in the conventional suicide rate.

>>220246278

And the one I linked here >>220246155 separates assisted suicides from conventional suicides unlike the previous one.

>>220246278
>That's not an 'encouragement' to seek abortions though you idiot. Just because you legalize something and incidences of it increase does not mean it was 'encouraged' in any
Culturally normalizing a behavior and building infrastructure to proceed that behavior ISNT encouraging it huh lmao
>see pic
Holy moly where to even begin. Consider for a moment that Mexico has the same rate of gun ownership as New Zealand and has 5 times the rate of gun deaths and ask yourself if access to means of violence is what is the most important factor in violence. Also it should be noted that Y axis says gun DEATHS not gun violence and like I said its proven thay access to guns ownership increases the lethality of suicide attempts. It does not correlate to gun VIOLENCE as in crimes like gun homicide. Brazil has a gun ownership rate of 8 per 100, Finland has 30 as per your own source. Guess which society has more gun violence?

>Without assisted suicides being grouped in there's no significant changes in the conventional suicide rate.
Except any instances of assisted suicided inherently increases the amount of suicides overall and the phenomenon of assisted suicide for terminal illnesses (the only thing assisted suicide is legal for in the US) is not comparable to assisted suicides due to mental illness. Even if you use a search engine right now, there is only conflicting evidence on whether or not assisted suicides increase non assisted suicides or not - the replication crisis - while its completelt confirmed that assisted suicides increases the raw amount of suicides yearly overall. What IS proven is the Werther Effect.

What you identified with abortion being legalized leading to an increase in abortions is the same phemenon for suicides. You will increase the amount of suicides even if you dont increase the amount of unassisted suicides either way

>>220246417
>Culturally normalizing a behavior and building infrastructure to proceed that behavior ISNT encouraging it huh lmao
No it isn't. Anymore than opening a fast food restaurant is 'encouragement' to eat fast food.
Could it be an implicit encouragement if there's nothing but fast food available and you cannot obtain any other type of food? Yes. But not so if there's a choice. Just because instances of x increase after x is permitted doesn't mean people were 'encouraged' or coerced to make that decision independent of their own volition.
>Holy moly where to even begin. Consider for a moment that Mexico has the same rate of gun ownership as New Zealand and has 5 times the rate of gun deaths and ask yourself if access to means of violence is what is the most important factor in violence. Also it should be noted that Y axis says gun DEATHS
I said gun deaths here >>220246065 idiot when I said "kill people". You're the one who moved the goalposts to gun homicides.

>Except any instances of assisted suicided inherently increases the amount of suicides overall

It does not increase the conventional (i.e unassisted suicide) rate you idiot. Your argument only stands if you consider suicide if you can prove suicide to be an intrinsic wrong in every scenario and circumstance. You've yet to do that.

>is not comparable to assisted suicides due to mental illness.

Are you trying to imply that assisted suicides due to severe irremediable mental illnesses are what's causing an increase in assisted suicides? Those cases make up a tiny, tiny minority of all assisted suicides in countries where it's permitted

I never denied that legalizing assisted suicide would increase assisted suicides. I asked you to prove why that's "wrong' and your only argument is that it is because it increases the incidences of assisted suicides. That's circular reasoning.

>You will increase the amount of suicides even if you dont increase the amount of unassisted suicides either way

See above

>>220246520
wouldn't increase assisted suicides*

>>220245852
Misanthrope implies you are human? Lmao.
>>220245828
>pakis exist therefore /pol/cels good
False dichotomy
>>220245879
No u
>>220245910
>christard wants his daughter to be gangraped again while in a wheelchair
Ftfy, if he gave a fuck this wouldnt have happened, its only christard cult shit going on here.

>>220246520
>it isn't
It is. Normalizing a behavior within a culture then giving people access to means to proceed that behavior is encouraging it. Yes, actually, the constant advertisizementa for fast food combined with access to fast food while telling people that body shaming is wrong and youre healthy at any size in fact is a major factor in the current obesity crisis. The behavior is normalized, access is given. Yes that does mean something lmao
>I said gun deaths
No, you saidb
>legalizing guns an 'encouragement' to kill people?
>to kill people
>kill people
>kill
You didnt mention gun deaths as in suicides you mentioned killing or are you going to be some obtuse as to imply that killing means all deaths? You probably will. Either way, there is no correlation between gun homicides and access to guns, there is some correlation to gun deaths overall due to guns increasing the lethality of suicide attempts and youe original claim was whether or not access to guns encourages gun deaths. And actually, yeah it somewhat does. A gun culture combined with suiciduality does encourage gun related suicides when gun ownership is normalized in society. You are going to see more gun related suicides vs other kinds of suicides when access to guns is easier especially among men.

>does not increase the conventional (i.e unassisted suicide) rate you idiot
We do not have evidence that points in either direction definitively. You cited one study , one that is contradicted by other studies and even other experts do not have a definite answer for that reason because there are studies thay suggest an increase in unassisted suicides. Either way, however, legalizing and normalizing assisted suicides increases the amount of suicides lmao.

>>220246632
>normalizing ending suffering is le bad because i like suffering
No one cares.

>>220246520
>Your argument only stands if you consider suicide if you can prove suicide to be an intrinsic wrong in every scenario and circumstance
Im fine with assisted suicides for cases of extreme terminal illness, I am not fine with assisted suicides for the mentally unwell since they are not of sound mind, its proven through the Werther Affect that methods and acts of suicides do encourage an increase in rates of similar suicide. I do not want to normalize state sanctioned suicides of the mentally unwell, it is on YOU as to why it is moral to essentially commit manslaughter on a societal level.

>never denied that legalizing assisted suicide would increase assisted suicides. I asked you to prove why that's "wrong' and your only argument is that it is because it increases the incidences of assisted suicides. That's circular reasoning.
Theyre not of sound mind so its abusive, we know these acts will encourage the behavior , suicide has a negative societal impact on people mentally, and creating an enshrined bureaucracy around societies is a terrible idea. We cant have institutions like schools, churches, summer camps or morgue without the potential for criminal misuse leading to severe outcomes and we KNOW there are sadists who specifically predates on the unwell out of malice. Suicide should not be encouraged normatively because it is therefore harmful to society and I think its wrong deontologically because I inherently believe that acts of self destructive are not conducive to eudamonia within society or individually

>>220246662
>suffering is le bad because its le bad
No suffering isnt inherently bad and is actually required for personal growth on many different levels and normalizing suicide doesnt even suppress suffering it increases it. It in specific stops on persons suffering through death, it is not only self destructive but collectively malignant.

>>220246676
>you want to kill yourself why dont you thimk how this affects me
Get lost.

>>220246693
Yea you just want (you)s dont you? Say christ sucks a bag of dicks btw.

>>220233906
Should be fine. Just make sure your country keep specific group of people to carry the euthanasia from the decision up through to the execution to make sure no one got bad karma or sin of murder.

>>220246699
>>220246709
Sober up, loser.

>>220246726
You are christian arent you?

>>220246741
Athiest, like I said sober up its like 4am where you are dude

>>220246632
>It is. Normalizing a behavior within a culture then giving people access to means to proceed that behavior is encouraging it.
Holy fuck then permitting any sort of decision for people to make or legalizing any sort of policy is 'encouragement' to you.
>telling people that body shaming is wrong and youre healthy at any size in fact is a major factor in the current obesity crisis. The behavior is normalized, access is given. Yes that does mean something lmao
Did you read what I said above? There are countries where fast food is also readily available and they have one of the lowest obesity rates and longest life expectancies in the country. The US food infrastructure is quite shit (food deserts) and lack of walkability or alternatives to cars for example all does actually facilitate obesity because there's no alternatives. But permitting fast food restaurants isn't an encouragement to eat fast food if people have a wide variety in the choices of food they eat. An increase in x isn't an 'encouragement' to x if people made that decision of their own free volution without being coerced. This is my entire point.
>to imply that killing means all deaths
So suicide isn't 'killing' yourself you absolute fucking retard?
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>>220246763
Then say christ sucks a bag of dicks instead of getting mad.

>>220246632
>>220246774
>We do not have evidence that points in either direction definitively. You cited one study , one that is contradicted by other studies and even other experts do not have a definite answer for that reason because there are studies thay suggest an increase in unassisted suicides.
Yes we do dumbass. The study that finds an increase in 'suicides' groups in ASSISTED SUICIDES WITH UNASSSISTED SUICIDES. That study (not the one I linked) explicitly states that there isn't a significant change in unassisted suicides either way if assisted suicides AREN'T included.
>Either way, however, legalizing and normalizing assisted suicides increases the amount of suicides lmao.
Only if you include assisted suicides (of which the vast majority are due to severe physical diseases/illnesses/disabilities and not severe irremediable mental illnesses).

>>220246763
>>220246779
Well?

>All discussion of politics and current events goes on /pol/.

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>>220246774
>then permitting any sort of decision for people to make or legalizing any sort of policy is 'encouragement' to you
Legalizing drinking and habing bars and ads and having drinking normalized in anxiety encourages a culture of drinking. Is that right or wrong? Its an ethical debate, what's objective is that these things encourage drinking. Do i have an issue with drinking? Not necessarily, do i have an issue with promoting a culture of suicide? Yes I do.
>There are countries where fast food is also readily available and they have one of the lowest obesity rates and longest life expectancies in the country
Global obesity rates are increasing literally everywhere, in societies where there is a stigma against junk food its a little different. In a society that normalizes obesity and terrible eating it gets worse over time. These are the objective consequences of normalization and access. In some places it isnt as normalized hence why obesity isnt as much of an issue, when we are talking about assisted suicides we are inherently talking about the legal and cultural normalization of suicides. So yes, there will be more suicides.
> suicide isn't 'killing' yourself you absolute fucking retard?
Aaaand youre being obtuse. Of course. Access to guns does encourage suicides by guns not gun homicides inherently either way

>>220246676
>I am not fine with assisted suicides for the mentally unwell since they are not of sound mind,
Mental illnesses does not equate to automatic mental incapacity or incompetence retard. That's not even the position of most of psychiatry. In fact the majority of psychiatric inpatients retain mental capacity.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38433596/
In countries where assisted suicide due to severe irremediable mental illnesses is permitted you require multiple evaluations by multiple psychiatrists as to your competence and decision making capacity.
>its proven through the Werther Affect that methods and acts of suicides do encourage an increase in rates of similar suicide
There's no evidence that permitting assisted suicide for such cases increases the conventional suicide rate in any discernible way.
>it is on YOU as to why it is moral to essentially commit manslaughter on a societal level.
People suffering unbearably from physical or mental illnesses that isn't responsive to all available treatment and are competent and consenting should be permitted to end their own lives of their choosing on the grounds of bodily autonomy.
>Theyre not of sound mind so its abusive,

See above.
>We cant have institutions like schools, churches, summer camps or morgue without the potential for criminal misuse
Everything has the 'potential for criminal misuse' that's why we have laws and regulations surrounding it. If we were to only permit things with a 100% guarantee that they'd never be abused we wouldn't permit ANYTHING at all.
>because I inherently believe that acts of self destructive are not conducive to eudamonia within society or individually
That's your opinion and you cannot back it up with proof.

>>220246784
>The study
Ah yes the one study contradicted by other studies that the experts who made it says does not definitely prove anything since more research needs to be done and other research already proves that copy cat suicides through social proof objectively exists. Lmao

>Only if you include assisted suicides (of which the vast majority are due to severe physical diseases/illnesses/disabilities and not severe irremediable mental illnesses
Yeah because its not legal to let depressed people get a state assisted suicide in most places FOR A REASON and encouraging anyone who is "disabled" to kill themselves because they are sad is objectively immoral. They are not dying and i dont want to normalize sad disabled people to kill themselves

>>220246865
>waaaaaah i dont wanna waaaaaa
No one cares. Say christ sucks a bag of dicks.

>>220246842
So permitting any type of behavior or legalizing it is an 'encouragement' to engage in that behavior? You're using an extremely broad definition. What proof do you have that these people were coerced to make that decision independent of their own free will you retard?
>Aaaand youre being obtuse. Of course. Access to guns does encourage suicides by guns not gun homicides inherently either way
I explicitly mentioned 'kill people' here >>220246065
killing yourself (and you are a person) still counts. There's an association between gun ownership and availability and gun killings (including homicides and suicides)

>>220246865
>Ah yes the one study contradicted by other studies
The other studies that include assisted suicides (the vast majority of which are due to physical medical illnesses and conditions) with conventional suicides (of which the great majority of conventional suicides are not due to medical reasons)? I addeesses that multiple times you regard.
>>Only if you include assisted suicides (of which the vast majority are due to severe physical diseases/illnesses/disabilities and not severe irremediable mental illnesses
No you fucking idiot. Even in Canada, Benelux, Switzerland, Spain where assisted suicide is permitted on non-terminal grounds the vast majority of assisted suicide cases are due to terminal illnesses, neurodegenerative diseases or severe physical (not mental) illness or conditions.

>americans start talking about gun ownership or no gun ownership
Janny just throw this thread to the pits of /pol/ where it belongs

>>220246857
>Mental illnesses does not equate to automatic mental incapacity or incompetence retard
Yes a schizophrenic has no mental impairment and is of course always of sound mind and making good decisions. Same with thr chronically depressed. My god.

BTW in thr first few lines of the study you once again did not read or understand
>Nevertheless, the high heterogeneity and mixed results from other studies mean there is considerable uncertainty around this topic.
And the study itself isnt disputing whether or not the mentally ill are always of sound mind or mental capacity but the rate at which decision making capacity treatment was needed for various mental disorders
>irremediable mental illnesses is permitted
Which is immoral as ive stated before. Mental illness and physical disability should not be qualifying factors for state assisted suicide. We should not encourage suicide. The favt you think it ought to be normalized is the entire issue lmao

>People suffering unbearably from physical or mental illnesses that isn't responsive to all available treatment and are competent and consenting should be permitted to end their own lives of their choosing on the grounds of bodily autonomy
Why? Shouldn't anyone who has immense amounts of suffering regardless of mental or physical disability be allowed to kill themselves if we are only prioritizing thr ending of suffering? Why end there? Why not end all suffering forever and wipe ourselves from existence entirely? Is the onlt basis you have to morally justify this only "suffering bad"?

>Everything has the 'potential for criminal misuse' that's why we have laws and regulations surrounding it
Except we need schools. We do not need state mandated suicide programs for the disabled and mentally ill. You are justifying one malolvent practice with another based purely on circular reasoning

>>220246857
>That's your opinion and you cannot back it up with proof.
That killing ourselves en masse doesnt lead to the flourishing of human society and life as a whole? Can you prove that killing ourselves actually has any benefit for human life at all?

>>220246951
Instead of making extremety falacies you could say that christ loves sucking big juicy dick.

>>220246962
If you killed yourself human society would get somewhat better did you know that?

>>220246917
>so permitting any type of behavior or legalizing it is an 'encouragement' to engage in that behavior
Does legalizing gay marriage encourage gay marriage?
>inb4 no
Lmao im sure. Does legalizing gay marriage promote gay marriage
>inb4 no
Again, im sure. Does legalizing gay marriage LEAD to gay marriage then?

Also its very impressive how much you double down on being obtuse instead of just saying
>oops my bad should've clarified
Ego like the hindenberg, truly.

>>220246951
>Yes a schizophrenic has no mental impairment and is of course always of sound mind and making good decisions. Same with thr chronically depressed. My god.
>BTW in thr first few lines of the study you once again did not read or understand
Retard who didn't read the study.
>Schizophrenia and bipolar mania were linked to the highest incapacity rates, while depression and anxiety symptoms were associated with better capacity and insight.
>Assessing mental capacity is replicable, with most psychiatric inpatients able to make treatment decisions.
Nobody said mental illnesses isn't a risk factor for incapacity and incompetence. You stated that it inherently means you lack competence and decision making capacity which is just false. Have another meta analysis you fucking retard.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17906238/
>why shouldnt we just kill everybody to end all suffering
Competent and consenting people suffering from such severe illnesses should have the right to decide for themselves. It's called bodily autonomy. Just like people should be allowed on whether or not to have an abortion.
Get bent retard.

>>220246985
>Does legalizing gay marriage encourage gay marriage?
And thats a good thing since christ is bisexual and loves sucking big dick.

>>220246983
>Obvious Paki spent literally the entire day and night seething
>Tell anyone else to kill themselves
I'm pro-euthanasia because obvious unemployed losers like you are next to the block

>>220246962
>That killing ourselves en masse
>legalizing assisted suicide means people will kill themselves en masse
What a fucking retard.
>flourishing of human society
Dude the US is the biggest shithole in the developed world. I'd say the Benelux, Switzerland, Spain, Italy or pretty much any other country where assisted suicide is permitted including for non-terminal illnesses is far more flourishing than the USA. Meanwhile every single devout Christian country is a complete and absolute shithole.

>>220246939
> other studies that include assisted suicides (the vast majority of which are due to physical medical illnesses and conditions) with conventional suicides (of which the great majority of conventional suicides are not due to medical reasons)?
Lmao yeah im sure they all do. Would you like to quickly comb over all the literature and give me a quick meta analysis of all of them that proves you hypothesis better than the experts you cited? Youre a smart guy I'll give you 5 minutes, way too much time for someone like you im sure.

>quoting yourself to argue with me
Okay dude lol.

So what is the limit in your opinion? Anyone with crohns disease has the legal right to kill themselves? Epilepsy? Any chronic illness that has no permanent cure but causes pain?

>>220247009
>wakes up at 5 am
>makes this post
>on his way to work wants suicide illegal before he kills himself
Thats no reason for anyone else to not be able to end their suffering.

>>220246985
Are people being forced or coerced to engage in gay marriage absent of their free will retard?

>>220247038
But nobody cares about your opinion to thank the stars that you gave them 5 minutes. Did you know that christ loves his face splattered with cum from big dicks?