Map of European nations by age of oldest symbol still in use. Notice anything?
No what am I meant to notice
>>220280719why do ukrainians get a claim on NTS emblem
>>220280792Why do you have immediate clitty leakage over my country, Sashen'ka?
>>220280719Uhh Sicily is in the Atlantic?
>>220280719i guess the Spanish one being that young even though all of the individual CoA are from the middle ages?
>>220280719Hmmm
>>220280839Isle of Human
>>220280719europe had a golden age in the 12th century or something?
>>220281039No, the 12th century was just when things finally settled down from the tribal/warlord barbarism that had been the norm since the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Why does Estonia get to claim its Danish coat of arms but Latvia can't claim its Livonian and Courland ones that are still in use
>>220280719I don't know why they ignored the coat of arms for us but not for other countries. I'm no expert, but some of these symbols must a few centuries old at least.
>>220280719kek spain
>>220280719>oldest symbol still in useThen the map should be different. You should have meant "state symbol" or something like that.
>>220280719>204 BBC
>>220280719>>220280785Proof that Estland = Estrids land, aka the Maternal originator of the Jarlabanke clan which is one of several originators behind the Kievan Rus/baltic branch of Vikings.Denmark on the other hand comes from the merger between the Rugii, Cimbri, and Helsing tribe of Álfheim, which is where Ragnar Lodbroks Great-great grandpa ruled. (later known as Bohuslän, which was ruled from Læsø during Ragnars days, which is why the "Vikings" tv-show accurately puts his home as being the "Kattegat")
>>220281324kekThat's what we should have noticed.
I also very much doubt Slovakia, Iceland, Greece etc. don't have coats of arms at least a few centuries old.
>>220280719Why Louis VII ? This symbol was used before him
>>220280719That the Spanish one is bullshit?
>>220281222Latvia is both Courland and Livonia. Just Livonia doesn't represent the country>>220281241Those symbols individually don't represent all of Romania
>>220281469>Just Livonia doesn't represent the countryBut the Latvian coat of arms has both Courland's and Livonia's coat of arms thoughever
>>220281129a bit weird that the geopolitcal power became static at same time in vastly disconnected region
>>220281326>Helsing tribe of ÁlfheimHelsinki is named after the ones that fled east when they didn't want to join the formation of the coalition that eventually founded denmark.
>>220281553Wait till you hear about the worldwide golden age of 13th century BBC
>>220281432>>220281457>>220281442Actually it could be right. Louis VII and fleur de lys was an official statut for the first time even thought fleur de lys existed before him
>>220280792Germany claims the Holy Roman Empire eagle even though Austria is the true successor of that state. So why cant Ukraine do the same?
>>220281565Pretty sure Helsingfors is simply named after an older Swedish word for a narrow bay.
>>220281469>Those symbols individually don't represent all of RomaniaThat's some weird reason because they quite literally do but whatever.Most countries indeed have simple streamlined design.We have this overly complicated mess because we wanted to represent all regions.
What an absolute dogshit map
>>220280719whoever made this is too retarded to realize Spanish one is a combination of multiple shields all from the 12th century (except Granada which is from the reconquista of Granada) while most other countries only have one shield if anyaside from the ones in my image there's also the current dynasty shield and the columns of Hercules with the PLVS VLTRA which is added by the strongest ruler in history Carlos I
>>220281855I actually noticed this but I dont care enough about Spain to make a long post about it
>>220281826Great argument!>>220281855None of those represent the idea of Spain individually and the Carlos one looks nothing like the modern one>>220281770Which one specifically represents all of Romania?
this one has too many shields to counthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
>>220281855>Granda is literally Sauron
>>220281903el creatura iberanico...
>>220281855He knows that but doesn't take that into account.The irony is that if Spain only had the Castilla symbol he would recognize that as "old".
>>220281893The Catholic Kings one does, retard, and Spain has always been a combination of kingdoms i don't expect a foreigner to understand. During the Spanish Empire it was divided in Counsil of Castille, Counsil of Aragon, Counsil of Portugal, Counsil of Italy, Counsil of Flanders and Counsil of the Indies (America + Philippines)>And the Carlos one looks nothing like the modern oneMaybe because the Spanish Emprie doesn't exist anymore, fuckface?
>>220281634>even though Austria is the true successor of that state.Why? The Habsburg family wasn't even from Austria and the HRE had no official capitol - however unofficially Aachen, Frankfurt a. M., Nürnberg and Regensburg were the most important cities for the governance of said state.
>>220281999or maybe because Spain is one of Europe's youngest nations
>>220281687You're partly correct because the Helsings associated with Læsø/Álvheim (not to be confused with the ones of Hälsingland) are named this because they controlled the traderoute through the strait at Helsingør, which their Cimbri ancestors of Læsø also controlled.
>>220282366And the norse language of Helsinki is related to those of the Jarlabanke clan,- not of Hälsingland. basically the Jarlabanke married into and influenced the Helsinki area because of the viking age, whereas the original inhabitors were traders of the older Helsingør/danish branch.
>>220282178According to....? Spain was giving emperors to Rome while your country was centuries away from existingIf you mean as an independent state then it's later yeah, Leovigildo was the unifier and first king of Spain and Recadero the religious unifier so depends who you ask they will say a different year but it's definetely in the 6th century. >B-but the Visigoths don't count!!!I expect you to make this retarded statement, the Visigoths were just the ruling "dynasty", doesn't change the fact that what they ruled over was Spain You should refrain yourself from making these threads when you have 0 history knowledge
>>220281903Jesus cristo. La criatura de los coat of arms
>>220282508>Helsingør/danish branchwhich is why the sagas speak of a Kvenland originator branch for their ancestors, which were the ones that moved from finland to northern norway, which moved south into the seakings and eventually formed the Ragnar dynasty when it merged back into Álvheim/denmark.the dna also supports it.
>>220282531Spain in the Bible has nothing to do with the Kingdom of Spain lol. They didn't even speak Latinx
>>220280719What is this meme of having england represented thrice?
>>220280719that nigga crazy
>>220282633>They didn't even speak LatinxRoman Empire Hispania exists since before the New Testament, are you baiting?
>>220282741wins every three-legged race though
>>220280719yeah kyivan rus is fucking oooold
>>220280719retarded map
>>220282789>>220282987So where is the ancient symbol of Spain?
>>220281241>and then I put a golden eagle holding a cross in its beak with a blue background inside a golden eagle holding a cross in its beak with a blue background
>>220283189What, you don't understand recursion?
>>220283048you do realize heraldry doesn't exist until the 12th century right? at which time Spain was divided in multiple kingdoms and the first unified Spain symbol is the catholic kings ones i already posted, are you acting retarded or just born this way?
>>220283048For Britain you use the symbols of england, wales, etc but won't do the same for Spain with Castille, Aragón, etc
Also the wales one is from the 15th century btw, complete utter nonsense here
>>220281855For some reason they used the CoA of Bohemia when they should have used this one which would be from 1993 and it would be the same situation as you describe.Also, is Granada named after granade apple or vice versa?
>>220283438Like 80% of people live in Bohemia. Who cares about Moravia?
>>220283477Bohunks are soulless bots, Bohemia/Moravia is basically Germany/Bavaria situation on smaller scale
>>220283438I'm starting to suspect the map was made by op himself just to seethe at SpainThe city is named after the the fruit
>>220280719Albania uses the eagle since 1190
>>220283254Real ancient nations have ancient symbols. See the scarab for ancient Egypt, Italia dorito for Italy, the owl for Athens, the Faravahar of ancient Iran, the Borjgali for Georgia, the imperial dragon of China. Only possible one for Spain is the bull but you decided to stop your only ancient tradition to appease women
>>220283588Italian one looks like a logo I'd make for a fake product in Uni
>>220281634The Habsburgs literally abdicated after Napoleon melted their clitties. It’s like saying I still own something I threw in the trash.
>>220280719my county's symbol goes back to the 400s
>>220281324>204 BBCs
