I just read recently that not only did Mohammed perform any miracles, there are no sightings of miracles in the entirety of Islamic history.Meaning, muslims kept believing in Islam for over a thousand years despite seeing no proof of it being ever real. No sighting of a miracle or miraculous event with hundreds of people as witnesses, not only that, but their history can be summarized by Western Europe (minus Iberia) btfoing them time after time after time again.Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so. That zoomer that was just santified a while ago appeared in multiple people's dreams as a means of reassuring them that they shouldn't be sad over his death. Meanwhile Islam has nothing. Nothing.When I found out about this I got even more shocked by Islam believers.
>>220293186Are you sure about it chicken head:https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B4%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%82_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D9%85%D8%B1>Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so. Prove it!
>>220293186>"no my god is realer than yours!!!11"When will you monkeys become self-aware?
>>220294204godlike power of molesting altar boys and evading law enforcement
>>220293186Anon all the Abrahamic religions are different interpretations of the same thingThe Old Testament dictates all of themJesus is a figure in all of them, even if he's not too important to Jews
>>220293186Our miracles were forged in battle against all odds when Saifullah destroyed both the armies of Rome and Persia 1:10. Our miracles aren't civic but political miracles that shaped world history. Cope!
>>220293186Mohammed performed a miracle with the men of al-zutt.
>>220293186>Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so.Meds. NOW
When I was doing a ritual to Ishtar a woman came up to me and started shapeshifting yelling at me for thinking God had a wife or a mother. She told me to find a Muslim man and read the Quran. What she was shapeshifting into looked demonic though. Kind of scared of what happens when we die so I'm doing salah.
>>220293186They seem to have a persecution complex too. I just don't care about their religion as long as they don't annoy me or make other people's lives more miserable, but well.
>>220294457It was a djinn.
>>220294458All relicucks have a persecution complex, some more justified than others.
>>220294204One of the most prominent miracles of Islam is the Holy Quran itself, which is free from any linguistic error, whether grammatical or rhetorical. Those who are fluent in the Arabic language know this well, and anyone who denies is a fool.
>>220294542can't christians say the same thing if you know old greek?
>>220294390Christianity conquered the Roman empire without fighting and the European countries which emerged from the collapse ended up conquering the entire world
>>220294576Christianity is the main reason of collapse of the Roman Empire and thousand years of Dark Ages.
>>220294619Go away gibbon
>>220294574Try researching it yourself and you'll understand what I mean.
>>220294576Christianity is an incomplete religion. Islam completes Christianity. If Christians were to follow sola scriptura they would be all desert father ascetics without pagan syncreticism which provides its jurisprudence and ontology. Islam is the higher form of platonic idealism through fiqh and shariah
>>220294751>sola scripturaLuther was autistic
>>220294751Man I love you for the sake of God
>>220294657>NOOO ONLY I CAN SAY HYPERBOLIC BULLSHIT!!!!>MUH TALKING SNAKE FEEDING A FRUIT TO A RIBWOMAN AND MUDMAN IS SERIOUS STANCE AND CAN'T BE MOCKED!Sure, Ahmed.
>>220294790Meds
It feels like I'm in /pol/ but less funny.
>>220294802Point one thing where I was wrong.>inb4 "My name is not Ahmed!"
>>220294810/pol/ was never funny.
>>220294778true. i'd rather be catholic than protestant by virtue of apostolic succession alone
>>220294823My name is Ahmed BTW :)
>>220294729research what? you claim that your book is more accurate because it was written in the same language that you speak. greeks can say the same
>>220294890Bruh، have you even tried asking Google about this?
>>220294780You too brother, muzataliyya and kalampill brought me back to the deen
>>220294868inshallahWhat are the odds?
Christians also didn't see miracles, lol.It was all made up or made up lifted from pagan beliefs predating it.
>>220294823Who are you quoting? Also the Roman empire fell was caused by multiple factor, starting from Augustus never setting a proper succession rule
>>220294890no one knows the greek of the septuagint now anon
>>220294964So you don't believe in christian tenets. Okay.>the Roman empire fell was caused by multiple factorAh, so NOW we can afford nuance when simplistic narratives you previously favoured have rather uncomfortable conclusions.
>>220295021You are fighting strawmen btw
>>220295004How can be suree anyone knows arabic of the Quoran either? If the meaning of a word changed over time, how could anyone be sure it was caught every time?
>>220295046Strawmen you ereceted, btw. Feeling that sting of shame yet? Or is lying for Jesus acceptable in your opinion?
>>220294542pretty easy when you define the standard of the arabic language by the quran
>>220294204wasnt there that time in like the 50s where a eucharist in italy turned into a disc of meat in the priest's hands, and every single parishioner vouched for it, and when an international panel of scientists analyzed the meat it was mammalian cardiac tissue and every single cell had no DNA
>>220295111Nice source lol
>>220295075I get that you want to fight but how is this>>220294576 wrong?Then you replied with some outdated theory from the '700
>>220295083Just try to find one single error my friend
>>220295111Source?
>>220294942Well, this name is common in egypt somehow
>>220295135I don't want to fight tho, just rub some mud to your arrogant ass. It's just as accurate as my "theory". If christianity was really the secret ingredient, other regions that practiced the faith would have done the same. They didn't, ergo christianity wasn't the cause.
>>220295064if you mispronounce ayats and surah your prayer won't be accepted
>>220295249What other regions practiced it though?
>>220295250There is no eveidence that prayer works either way.
>>220295004why not? how come people still know latin but not greek?
>>220295249Also I'm playing by the muzzie's framework aka "political miracles" (whatever the fuck it means) and countering with Christianity outdoing pisslam even in that domain
>>220295249>>220295284SUOMI
>>220295250Well, it's not that simple, but yes
>>220295271EthiopiaEgyptArmeniaThe reason Islam has so much stuff about Jesus is because how prominent Christianity was in the region at the time.Also "conquered the Roman empire" without fighting and then "ended up conquering the entire world" with awful lot of fighting is a logical contradiction.
>>220295293Are you sure?>Three thousand Muslim fighters withstood two hundred thousand Romans and their allied Arab tribes for six full days.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%A4%D8%AA%D8%A9
>>220295293You and islamists are one and the same. There's literally no practical difference between you besides one worships on Friday and the other on Sunday.
>>220295410In fact, this is a common misconception. The God of Christians is not the same as the God of Muslims. Allah was not crucified, beaten, or killed by humans, nor did He die (Far be it from Him).
>>220295410BTW we worship Allah five times a day, not just on Fridays.
>>220294204Several Catholic priests and saints are renowned for performing miracles, including supernatural healings, bilocation, and Eucharistic miracles. Prominent figures include St. Anthony of Padua (preaching to fish, healing limbs), Padre Pio (stigmata, miraculous healing), St. Charbel Makhlouf (healing the blind), and St. John Vianney (supernatural insights). St. Anthony of Padua (1195–1231): Known for numerous miracles, including preaching to fish in Rimini, causing a mule to kneel before the Eucharist, and reattaching a young man's severed foot.Padre Pio (1887–1968): A Capuchin friar known for carrying the stigmata (wounds of Christ), reports of bilocation (being in two places at once), and curing the sick.St. Charbel Makhlouf (1828–1898): A Maronite monk whose intercession is associated with thousands of documented healings, including the restoration of sight to a blinded blacksmith.St. John Vianney (1786–1859): The patron saint of parish priests, renowned for having supernatural knowledge of sins in the confessional and performing miracles of healing.Blessed Titus Brandsma (1881–1942): A Carmelite priest whose intercession is associated with a miraculous healing of a cancer diagnosis.All of them were witnessed by hundreds of people who testified to the act btw
>>220293186Do you believe all these miracles in the bible were real?>Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so. That zoomer that was just santified a while ago appeared in multiple people's dreams as a means of reassuring them that they shouldn't be sad over his death. Let's be honest real, these are all fake.If you want cringe retarded miraculous beliefs some shias believe Ali had godlike powers too
>>220295111>meat it was mammalian cardiac tissue and every single cell had no DNAIf it had no DNA then it couldn't be mammalian tissue
>>220295496praise Allah for his power level is much higher and he could beat your god for he is a chad and not a cuck
>>220295824>All of them were witnessed by hundreds of people who testified to the act btwWell, actually no.Miracles were used by the Church to justify it's rule over the people. You can see how there has been zero miracles since cameras became commonplace.Christian miracles are as real as these alien contacts that people vouched for few decades ago
>>220295899christian miracles were lifted from other beliefs and cults. Even at the time, the greeks and romans thought it was superstitious nonsense. Christianity intentionally appealed to the LCM, so it spread. Eventually enough retards believed in it that the elites had to co-opt it to keep them in line as good sheep.
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>>220295496It depends on the sect really. Equating Jesus with God appears to be a gross contamination of pagan ideas, but there were historical seats which believed Jesus was not God.Btw Muhammad appears to have considered them monotheists too
>>220295957Yes, I agree. Christianity appealed to the poorest of romans because of the notion of paradise.Traditional roman religion didn't really believed in eternal bliss after death, with the exceptions of some mystery cults which we know very little.>Eventually enough retards believed in it that the elites had to co-opt it to keep them in line as good sheepThis allowed Constantine to establish a quasi-monarchical government.
>>220295982That's True
>>220296048Christianity was one of thousands of apocalyptic jew cults in the levant. They didn't even accept non-jews until Saul and Jewsus was long dead by then.
>>220296084It's funny how half of the bible is written by s guy that never even saw Jesus in his life
>>220296067Jesus never explicitly claims to be God too, that was a interpretation created by later writers based on dubious quotes by Jesus
Why do I have to pray salah in Arabic?
>>220293186only jesus and la virgensita can make miracles
>>220293186It's a religion of war, There is nothing spiritual about ZuttSlam.
>>220296663How did christianity spread o algo
>>220296688Not by the sword.
>>220296788are you sure, maple syrup anon?
>>220296788Pretty sure they did a lot of torture in South America
>>220296795>>220296809The early spread of Christianity was not violent.
>>220296663Tell me what that spiritual thing is in the Song of Songs.
>>220294204>>Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so.Doesn't just prove that Christianity is true since God keeps giving them magic?>>220294432This. He took BBC without trooning out. Absolute miracle.
>>220296688christianity spread in many different waysin the beginning there was celibate medicant hermit preachers and many martyrs sometimes a leader would just see a cross in nature and decide it was a divine signal to convert in a lot of cases a country would convert to Christianity to make trade and diplomacy easier with their neighborsThere are cases of it being spread by conquest. The Spanish Reconquista, colonization and imperialism of course, and the Crusades not just in the Middle East, but the Baltic Crusades as well. Somewhat recently, the nation of East Timor has become Catholic. this was a unique situation because they converted to Christianity to avoid being taxed more as pagans in Indonesia.
>>220296825>Song of Songs.Still more spiritual than anything in the Quran.
>>220296663>Islamic and Coptic accounts differ in their narration of the events of the conquest, but they agree that the Romans enslaved the Egyptians during their rule and made Egypt a fiefdom of the Byzantine emperor and, before him, the Roman emperor.The Islamic conquest put an end to the persecution of Egyptian Christians by the Roman Christians.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%AD_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A_%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1
>>220296885Jizya tax is persecution.
>>220296872Haha did you read what was in the picture? Did you even read your book?
>>220296905>Islam exempted women, children, the poor, monks, and the disabled from paying the jizya (poll tax). Therefore, the jizya was not levied on women, girls, boys, the poor, the elderly, the blind, the lame, monks, or those with mental disabilities. Moreover, Islam further increased the jizya.Do not compare the value of the tribute with the taxes imposed by the Romans in Egypt.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A9
>>220296942Minor correction, a translation error occurred.>Islam exempted women, children, the poor, monks, and the disabled from paying the jizya (poll tax). Thus, the jizya was not levied on women, girls, boys, the poor, the elderly, the blind, the lame, monks, or those with mental disabilities. Furthermore, Islam provided financial support for elderly and infirm members of the protected non-Muslim community (dhimmi). The jizya was typically a fixed sum, the amount of which was determined based on their economic circumstances.
>>220296942And what would happen if they didn't pay the tax? Death.
>>220296821>early spreadWhy is that important? It only spread because it innovated, not because it was spiritual or anything like that
>>220296860>because they converted to Christianity to avoid being taxed more as pagans in IndonesiaThis still exists today?
>>220297016>Refusal to pay the jizya depends on the reason: poverty exempts the payer and even provides for them from the Muslim treasury. Arrogance and without cause punishes with expulsion from Muslim lands.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A9#:~:text=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%20%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%A9%20%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A9,-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%A9&text=%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%A9%20%D8%AB%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%A9%20%D9%88%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%AF%D8%A9%20%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B9%D8%A7%20%D9%85%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%20%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A9%20%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%202.5%20%D9%81%D9%8A%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A6%D8%A9.&text=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B9%20%D8%B9%D9%86%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%87%20%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B3%D8%A8%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A8,%D9%8A%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%A8%20%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AC%20%D9%85%D9%86%20%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AF%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86.&text=%D8%AA%D8%A4%D8%AE%D8%B0%20%D9%85%D8%B9%20%D8%A5%D8%B0%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%84%20%D9%88%D9%82%D9%87%D8%B1%20%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B9%D9%87%D8%A7.
>>220297016That's the cases everywhere thoughThe jizya was a very lenient by the standards of the time. Which is one of the reasons there were christian communities all around the middle east at least until the collapse of the Ottoman Empire
>>220297049uniquely Indonesian thing where they only recognize 6 religions: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism. so all the Animist pagan people of East Timor converted to Catholicism. the Island had some Catholic churches from its Portuguese past and apparently the clergy there were willing to protect the natives from the Indonesian government
>>220296860I know of augustine's just war casus belli, emperor constantine and theodocius shenanigans, charlemagne, papal bulls and the anglo-saxon wars, the teutonic order and the northern crusades, the multiple scandinavian shenanigans, the general defacing, and destruction of pagan monuments, etc etc I didn't even get to colonialism. All i hear is for the first 300 years it didn't spread by the sword, and that they were persecuted. The latter is overstated because they didn't yet have the state backing, but the christians served in roman militaries in 2nd-3rd century wars of conquest, and blessed the armies even before that institution was established by 4th century.Looking back on it, seeing the cross may have been a pseudo-justification for constantine to utilise the political potential of Christianity to unify rome under a common doctrine. That's why heresies were expunged with eunomerical council of nicea and the constantinople creed, and paganism was outlawed. In fact, the difference seems to be christians were the bigger guys fighting the little guys, while rashidun expansion was the opposite.
>>220295957>Eventually enough retards believed in it that the elites had to co-opt it to keep them in line as good sheepUrban elites converted to Christianity in late Rome long before most country bumpkins did. There's a reason that "pagan" literally means "people of the countryside"
>>220294542Habbalah dabbalah brother!
>>220297103So goddamn bizarre
>>220297145Have you ever heard of inherited genes, you fool, before you spread this nonsense like an idiot?
>>220297124Every new religion spread through major urban centres. He's right that christians appealed to the LCM tho, the early christians were all poor and uneducated
>>220297145Atavism is a real possibility.I don't think it's a case of Blacked lol
>>220297111>Looking back on it, seeing the cross may have been a pseudo-justification for constantine to utilise the political potential of Christianity to unify rome under a common doctrine.highly plausible its a mythical origin story but such miracles are possibly natural phenomenon like sun halospic related
>>220294390>Saifullah destroyed both the armies of Rome and Persia 1:10That didn't happen. The actual number of soldiers on the battlefield was 40k vs Khalid 20k and we have to include context to the situation. Both Rome and sassanid empire just got out of a 26 year long war against each other. Both empires were physically and economically in shambles. Khalid's victory is still extremely, but it's no where near as impressive to the exaggerated story that Muslims keep regurgitating.
>>220297243It’s academically lazy to dismiss one of the greatest military expansions in history as a mere "coincidence of timing" While it's true both empires were exhausted from their 26-year war, they still possessed professional standing armies, fortified cities, and superior technology (armor and cavalry) compared to the light infantry of the Arabs.Even if we accept your conservative numbers of 40k vs 20k, a 2:1 disadvantage against a professional, entrenched army is a nightmare for any general. Khalid’s genius wasn't just in the numbers, but in his strategic mobility (crossing the desert) and his tactical mastery (the double envelopment at Walaja). To call the collapse of two superpowers in less than two decades "not impressive" is a denial of historical reality. No other force in history achieved what the early Muslim commanders did under those exact same conditions.
>>220297243>Three thousand Muslim fighters withstood two hundred thousand Romans and their allied Arab tribes for six full days.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%A4%D8%AA%D8%A9
>>220297333Are you seriously using ChatGPT? I'm not gonna read nor argue with AIslop. I will say that Khalid's victory is impressive, I'm not taking that accomplishment away from him. But once again context of the situation matters.
>>220293186Prophet Muhammad split the moon in two like the Zutts split him in two
>>220297382Okay you r right, but the evidence is more important.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%A4%D8%AA%D8%A9
>>220297381Explain to me how that's possible. There's no way Rome could've levied 200k troops for a single single battle. That's like the entire Roman army. They weren't going to take soldiers away from important borders positions from the frontiers to fight in a single battle. Be realistic. I can't even imagine the logistical nightmare that would've been traveling with an army that size.
>>220297199>Every new religion spread through major urban centresNot islam, illiterate Bedouin tribals spread that by the sword, it was for many centuries under the rule of Islamic warlords that major urban centers anywhere under their rule started to convert
>>220297455The Byzantine Empire controlled all the ports of the eastern Mediterranean. Transporting supplies and wheat from Egypt and Cyprus to Jaffa, Acre, and Caesarea could feed an army of 100K soldiers much more easily than transporting them overland. Roman logistics relied on ports and not just on wagons and horses.
>>220297382It is an impressive military career from a secular historical perspective, nonetheless. I also don't put much credence in army figures from that time, they tend to become mix myth. Take the battle of covadonga (722 AD), the founding myth of the reconquista, where 300 men faught and defeated 100,000 muslim armies. This story has been embellished beyond reason and sanity, but it's important for Spanish people.Arab battles against byzantine and sassanids are still incredibly impressive, without fluffing numbers. Khalid spent his life fighting the muslims, only to later be recognised as the "raised sword of God".
>>220297539>300 men faught and defeated 100,000 muslim armiesif you're talking about Spartans, they fought the Persians, not katuwas.
>>220297523No, it wouldn't have been easily. In order to feed an army of 200k and to make sure there was sufficient supply of water as they were in the desert is a monumental task and extremely expensive one. And once again 200k was practically the entire Roman army with historians estimating them having a total of 180k. They had soldiers positioned in a important places and they weren't going to take them to fight a battle. That's completely idiotic. Historians actually put the number of roman soldiers at 10-20k for the battle of Mutah. That's far more realistic and I'm going with those numbers as that actually makes given the circumstances. I can't believe we're even having a debate about this.
>>220294542>using proper grammar is a miracle?
>>220297539Embellishing stories was pretty common during those times. It's why historians are usually skeptical and rely on context on the situation to make an estimated guess on the actual event.
>>220297476Mecca was one of the largest cities in Arabia and they were not usually illiterate
>>220297684>Mecca was one of the largest cities in ArabiaThat's really not saying much, Arabia was and has always been a complete backwater
>>220297654He's probably pointing out that historical works usually contain a few minor mistakes, even if written by educated men.I don't know if this is valid with the Qur'an tho
>>220297190>Have you ever heard of inherited genesHave you?
>>220297695Until they found oil.
>>220297633The Yarmouk region is not a desert like the heart of the Arabian Peninsula, but rather a fertile plateau located in northern Jordan and southern Syria, characterized by the presence of the Yarmouk River and its tributaries and deep valleys. The Roman army encamped in the Jabiyah and Hawran regions.
>we won battles?Miracle of Allah!>Israel BTFOs us?Not a miracle of YHWH!
>>220297695Yes. That's my argument.New religions usually spread through major urban centres. It was Abu Bakr that started to expand islam beyond Arabia's borders.Christianity also started in a urban centre, even if Jerusalem wasn't exactly the largest city in the Roman Empire
>>220297724Even so that doesn't answer the logistical hurdle nor the explanation on that the Romans managed to levy 200k soldier, an army size larger than what it estimated to have at that time.
>>220297743That's how all religions work.It's like the jewish god being beaten by the god of chariot-riders lol
>>220295083kek this>>220294542>Classical Arabic grammar was partly derived from the Qur’an itself>it's a miracle wallahi
>>220297784Ultimately it's hard for a religion to survive if it has no victories to show.Unironically this also applies to ideologies. If the soviets had won the Cold War communists would be much more influential today
>>220297744Even in Arabia the people of Mecca pretty explicitly rejected Mohammed and Islam and only converted after he became a bandit raider and sacked their city, not really a true "conversion" in the traditional sense.
>>220297803True conversions don't exist except in the minds of lunatics.No sane men would ever change his religion without any gain.If it's not through violence, then it's peer pressure.
>>220297770>The earliest Islamic accounts place the size of the Muslim armies between 24,000 and 40,000 and the size of the Byzantine forces between 100,000 and 200,000. More recent accounts of the size of both armies vary: estimates for the Byzantine army are often between 80,000 and 120,000.https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D9%83#:~:text=%D8%A3%D9%83%D8%AB%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AA%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9%20%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8B%20%D8%AA%D8%B6%D8%B9,%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%20%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86%2025%2C000%20%D9%88%2040%2C000.
>Embryos start as a clot>Semen originates between backbone and ribs>Sun sets in a muddy spring>Stars are missiles against devils>there are seven heavens>Earth is flattened>Mountains are pegs preventing earthquakes>Creation of humans from clay>Barrier between saltwater and freshwater seas>Sky is a solid structure or canopy>6 days of creation? 8 days of creation?we were taught both things>America faked the moon landing because you can't penetrate the skyand also that>Neil Armstrong converted to Islam when he saw the moon split in two (Muhammad did it)kek
>>220297860>Islamic accountsI'm sure they were completely honest and won't lie/taqiya
>>220297868Don't speak about things you can't understand, Indian.
>>220297903brother I'm ummah only
>you can't understand the quran because you didn't read it in Arabic
>>220294542>a miracle is...>a well written bookMASALLAH!
>there are unironic subhumans who believe and presch religion on this boardi used to think it was just irony posting, what the actual fuck are subhuman muzzdogs on this site doing? like doesn't your algay god say its haram or something? kill your families and then kill yourselves please
>>220297654The Qur'an is considered inimitable according to islamic theology. Linguistically it is highly sophisticated and persuasive, and didn't match the writing style of back then, so the Arabs didn't know what to think of it.Here's one excerpt from the clear-Quran translation as an example, about God chastising the Arabs for burying their daughters alive. The juxtaposition of the universe collapsing with that of a single human injustice not going unnoticed. Where god asks the wordless child why it was put to death, rather than the parent, who committed the sin. In writing it evokes strong emotion.>When the sun is put out, and when the stars fall down, and when the mountains are blown away, and when the pregnant camel are left untended, and when the savage beasts are mustered, and when the seas are set on fire, and when the souls are paired,>and when baby girls buried alive will be asked,>for what crime they were put to death, and when the records are laid open, the sky will be stripped away, and the Hellfire fiercely flamed, >and when Paradise will be brought near- then each soul will know what it has brought forth. >So I swear by the receding stars-which travel and hide, by the night as it falls, and by the dawn as it breaks! Indeed, this ˹Qur’an˺ is the word of God..
Makes sense to me. Islam is retarded and Arabs are retards.
>>220297973The current koran isn't even the original version, it's the one that the early caliphs decided on as the "true" version and had the rest destroyed and everyone who had memorized them put to death
>>220297868nooooo don't point out the factual mistakes, focus on the grammar and linguistics
>>220297860The problem with that wiki is that it's taking sources from those written 200 years AFTER the battle had happened. And of course those sources are going to embellish the story as it's good propaganda. You can't just take historical sources at face value, this is why historians are always skeptical about things like this and always do thorough investigations before they give their answer and they do this by looking over multiple sources, looking over the context on the situation between opposing countries and of course logistics. You cant accept these obviously exaggerated sources as literal, that's like the first thing every historian would tell you not to do.
>>220297997Sources?https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news-archive/2015/birmingham-quran-manuscript-dated-among-the-oldest-in-the-world
>>220298059Uthman ibn Affan
>>220298059>When the Companion Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman noticed that Muslims differed in reading and some of this difference was tinged with melody, he told the Caliph about it, and Uthman ordered that the Quran be collected in one way. He sent Hafsa bint Umar to allow him to use the copy of the Quran in her possession to use it as a reference, and Uthman ordered several copies of the Quran to unify the reading and ordered them to be distributed to the Muslim countries, and ordered the destruction of anything that contradicts that Quran.[1]>Uthman ibn Affan formed a committee to write the Quran: Zayd ibn Thabit, Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa'id ibn al-'As, and 'Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Harith ibn Hisham, then he gave Zayd ibn Thabit and the three Qurayshis the Quran that had been with Hafsa bint 'Umar, and he ordered them to copy the Quran from it, and he said: "If you and Zayd ibn Thabit disagree on something in the Quran, write it in the Quraysh tongue, for it was revealed in their tongue."[2] The collection and copying of the Quran began in late 24 AH and early 25 AH, and historians have not dated how long it took the committee to write the Quran.[3]
>>220293186>No miracles in the entirety of Islamic history.If I was part of a small tribe and ended up conquering the biggest empires of the known world I'd think it was all a miracle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Buzakhahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Yarmuk
>>220298069Is that your friend?Send me links of your sources
>>220293186holy radcath thirdie seethe after getting zuttcucked a few days ago kek
>>220295111>>220295134>>220295174Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano. The flesh was analyzed to be human, but no one can explain why a piece of 1200 year old flesh still has characteristics of it still being fresh. The dried up blood had protein proportions similar to fresh blood.
>>220298091>doesn't know the third caliph>>220298079mashallah sister
>>220293186>Meanwhile Christianity has random priests being given godlike powers every 50 years or so. That zoomer that was just santified a while ago appeared in multiple people's dreams as a means of reassuring them that they shouldn't be sad over his death. Meanwhile Islam has nothing. Nothing.thirdies actually believe this shit lmao
>>220298091>Is that your friend?Disrespecting one of the Rightly Guided caliphs is an act of kabira you kaffir dog
>>220295899>You can see how there has been zero miracles since cameras became commonplace.you could have found a counterexample to this so easily. shame on you.
>>220295004Classical Greek is learned academically in the same fields as Latin, sometimes it's more important. But it varies more than Latin or Arabic due to the Greek canon being way older and having evolved more linguistically.
>>220295134try google sometime
>>220295870red blood cells as a rule do not contain DNA. there are many factors that can be used to categorize a cell.
>>220294542doesnt the quran call the holy spirit the holy mother when describing christianity?
>>220298074If the text had changed, how could it match Hafsa’s version that existed years before Uthman? Uthman did not invent a text, but rather copied the original text that had been agreed upon.Arabic was read in multiple dialects (letters), and standardizing it to the dialect of the Quraysh tribe was necessary to prevent conflict among the new (non-Arab) Muslims who had begun to make mistakes in their reading. This is similar to standardizing the spelling rules of a single language with dialects. The Companions used to write their personal notes, interpretations, and sometimes prayers inside their own copies of the Quran. The survival of these copies would have, over time, led to the mixing of human words (interpretations) with the word of God Burning them was a sovereign decision.The Birmingham manuscript, dating back to the time of the Prophet or the early Caliphs, is a near-identical copy of the Quran we have today. If Uthman had altered the Quran in 25 AH, how can today's version match a manuscript written perhaps even earlier?https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news-archive/2015/birmingham-quran-manuscript-dated-among-the-oldest-in-the-world
>>220297997That's something that makes the Old Testament very interesting, it is documented in a lot of places, in different languages, within different collections. The Quran does recount many of the same stories as the bible.
>>220298108میرا ڈک تھوڑا سا خارش کرتا ہے۔
>>220298168>https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news-archive/2015/birmingham-quran-manuscript-dated-among-the-oldest-in-the-worldfake study done by muslim loving leftie academiaWhy are you so fixated upon the text instead of what falsehood it says?
>>220298108>doesn't know the third caliphUthman ibn Affan, may God be pleased with him, did not say what you said about killing those who memorized the Quran, Indian.
>>220298213>what you said about killing those who memorized the Quran>you said>actually an American said that >>220297997centuries of inbreeding does it again
>>220298171>The Quran does recount many of the same stories as the bibleYeah no shit, the entire religion is Mohammed's interpretation of Christianity and Judaism as recounted to him by Arian Christians
>>220298209>Fake StudyAre you aware of what you are saying indian?
>>220297333هذا ما أراده الله.>>220298233>Arian Christians.r/edutainment.
>>220297879>taqiyaThis is mostly in shia islam, and doesn't really mean a license for lying, in either sunni or shia.It's a sort of concealment when facing extreme danger. Hence why it's usually connected with shias since Muhammad's family and his supporters were historically persecuted by sunni muslims.
>we won wars?Miracle of Allah>we rape kids?Miracle of Allah>Quran never changed though the goat ate the verse of adult breastfeeding and stoning people?Miracle of Allah>No change in Allah’s words wallahi, naskh of verses?Miracle of Allah>Allah's scientific knowledge the same as Muhammad's?Miracle of Allah>Allah caring more for Muhammad's sex life than guiding muslims?Miracle of Allah
>>220294204https://youtube.com/watch?v=64onhFuvQjo
>>220298074It was just collected during his reignIt was like christians with their apocryphal books
>>220294252NAMBLA was created by atheists.Vaush defends pedophilia and child pornography.Mao fucked a 14 year old girl.Atheist "intellectuals" in France supported abolishing the age of consent.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_lawsFoucault raped childrenCharles Fourier wanted to fuck children.The MAPs movement was started by atheists.Socialized "public" school teachers are far more likely to molest their students than catholic priests.Numerous atheists have been outed as pedophiles.NAMBLA was started by atheists.Atheists defended Joseph Rosenbaum, a child rapist.John Money, the father of modern transgender movement, was an atheist who sexually abused children.Alfred Kinsey was an atheist pedophile hero.The famous atheist John Maynard Keynes frequently traveled to third world nations to have sex with boys.https://4w.pub/old-dominion-university-assistant-professor-comes-out-in-support-of-destigmatizing-pedophilia/https://streamable.com/hx77vhhttps://streamable.com/dyy2ghhttps://streamable.com/on2bychttps://twitter.com/GodEmpanada/status/1476733086217949186https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNeOLl1hOs
>>220294252>It should be noted that while childhood sexual abuse by Catholic clergy has received extensive media coverage, childhood sexual abuse by teachers and others is also a serious problem. Charol Shakeshaft, who has done extensive research on the problem of sexual abuse of students by teachers, recognizes the difficulty of collecting solid data on sexual abuse; but using available studies, she estimates that “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than one hundred times the abuse by priests.” According to Shakeshaft's research, even when abuse was reported to school officials the offenders were not reported to the police. In her study of 225 cases in New York, “none of the abusers were reported to authorities and only 1 percent lost their license to teach.” A recent article in The New York Times documented abuse—including sexual abuse—of the developmentally disabled in group homes. Even when abuse was uncovered, perpetrators were allowed to continue working at other facilities.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6026962/https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/17/child-sexual-abuse-in-schools-often-an-open-secret-says-inquiryhttps://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21392345https://www.nj.com/education/2017/12/teachers_accused_of_sexual_misconduct_keep_getting.htmlhttps://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/
>>220298209>fake study done by muslim loving leftie academiaThis is retarded thoWhy do you think they would lie about it?
>>220294204>>220294205>>220294535>>220294542>>220294619Christianity is the true and correct religion.We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.Christianity is true.God is real.Demons are real.Hell is real.Heaven is real.Jesus is Lord.https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writingshttps://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOtohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0
>>220298388>>220298376Schizophrenia
we've got mentally ill papists lads
>Quran verses are shaped by Muhammad's life and 7th century Arabic context>rulings tied to particular historical situationsDid Muhammad and 7th century Arabia dictate Allah's words?>>220298399It’s 2 pages of parchment leaves of the Qur’an>Carbon dating measures when the parchment was made, not when the text was writtenit proves nothing
>>220298418Mad how someone living in a developed nation could unironically believe in that miracle bullshit
>>220297879Is Hasbara popular in India due to it being Israeli?
>>220295899>>220295957>>220296048Wrong, heathencuck:>>220298364
>>220297868mental how muslims ignore all the factual errors but dick ride wars and linguistics
>>220296245There's nothing "funny" about that.You're just a retarded redditor.
>>220298428>It’s 2 pages of parchment leaves of the Qur’anShow me why it's a fake study
>>220298458Just shut up already, okay?Pray to me. Jesus performed miracles and those people followed him. If I see a miracle I'll follow your God
>>220298462show me why it proves anything first
>>220296449Wrong, you lying heathencuck:https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-say-He-is-God.html
>>220298475What you want it to prove? That it was written more or less 20 years after Muhammad's death?That's more or less when Uthman ruled
>>220297041Heathencuck can't read a conversation lol
>>220298486>That it was written more or less 20 years after Muhammad's death?>>Carbon dating measures when the parchment was made, not when the text was writtenit's also only few verses, not the entire Quran
>>220294619>Dark AgesThat's a myth, you dumb redditor.
>>220294204>>220295403>>220296885>>220296942>>220297072Stop posting arabic gibberish
Can any muslim tell me if Quran is perfectly preserved, why were the verses that were revealed by Allah, like stoning and adult breastfeeding verses, were not included in the final Quran?
>>220297381>>220297424>>220297860Stop posting arabic gibberish
>>220298376>>220298388wow. im not reading all that.have you ever heard of a joke?
>>220298500Doesn't mean it's a fake study
>>220298412butthurt
>>220298537agreed, doesn't mean it proves anything either
>>220298529Are you talking about hadiths?
>>220298439Mad how heathencucks spitfire non-sequiturs like retards
>>220293186Islam is to Christianity what Christianity was to Judaism and the latter to mesopotamian/near east religion
>>220298472Shut up heathencuck
>>220298560See >>220298472If Jesus needed to perform miracles to convince others of his divinity, I need miracles to believe in him too
>>220298551no, just before Muhammad croaked the verses of stoning adulteres and muslim women breastfeeding adult men was revealed. It's sahih hadith approved that these verses were revealed but you won't find them in the Quran because the women didn't want to breastfeed grown up men and had it destroyed
>>220295410Stupid heathencuck
>>220293186miracle of zutt
>>220295982>>220296067Dumb heathencuckhttps://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
>>220298428You do realize the Birmingham Quran was discovered with Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus?We have multiple other early manuscripts and they do not say anything different, not mentioned in Islamic sources.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Quranic_manuscriptsIt is very clear the Quran was unified during the 1st century of Islam. Mostly around the time of Uthman, but the other companions and the Prophet did have earlier and later influence over the process.Muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the Quran. The Quran is not a biography of Muhammad’s life. The Quran was a guide to the people of Muhammad. It does not talk about Abu Bakr or much of Muhammad’s life.The Hadith you quoted is from Sunan Ibn Majah, and we are not sure if it is even reliable. First there is political motive behind the Hadith to justify stoning which is not in the Quran. (although it does seem to be practice by Muhammad and his followers in Medina as sunnah)Second this Hadith has multiple versions, and only one version. The version by Muhammad Ibn Ishaq in Sunan Ibn Majah features a Goat eating the verses. Only one source from around 200 years after the Prophet. We need more sources to confirm if this a legitimate report. That’s why this Hadith is only Hasan not Sahih.Unless you can historical prove this HadithBut you’re just a racist bigot with your own agenda, so I doubt you even care about facts or the truth.
>>220295860Nice argument, heathencuck
>>220298250أنت قعدت صاحي طول كسم الليل بتحاول تقنع موقع محشي محتوى إباحي بصحة الدين و90% منهم ملحدين وبيسبوا في النصرانية والإسلام وقاعد بترفع صور من الفيس السلفي للسخرية من النصرانية وهم أغلبهم أصلاً ملحدين.بتعمل إيه يبني بعيشتك؟ متلاقيلك هواية تقضي وقتك فيها بدل ما يعتبر بتخش زريبة وتحاول توزع عليهم صابون وكل الناس هنا خنازير. على فكرة هتلاقي نفسك يا ألحدت يا على حبل مشنقة لو كملت في السكة ديه
>>220298639>Unless you can historical prove this HadithI can if you can prove Allah exists and wasn't just a sock puppet of Muhammad the ventriloquist
>>220298569Are you going to acknowledge that you spewed a retarded non sequitur, you stupid heathencuck?
>>220298562Nonsense
>Allah reveals a verse>changes his mind>time for abrogation (naskh)>reveals another verse>Allah's verses in the context of 7th century Arabia are universal btw they will never change assfuckdulmillah
>>220298366Christians didn't collect apocryphal books.They rejected them, because they were clearly fake (very late dating, incorrect geography, incorrect details of the regions they claim to describe, onomastic analysis, pseudepigrapha, etc.).
>>220298639>Muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the Quran>Aisha said to Muhammad his Lord seems to hasten to fulfill his wishes and desiresEven little kid Aisha understood Muhammad was using Allah to fulfill his wishesQur’an 33:50 : grants him broader categories of lawful marriages than other believersQur’an 33:37 : permits his marriage to Zaynab after Zayd, overriding adoption-based tabooQur’an 33:51 : allows flexibility in scheduling time among wivesQur’an 33:52 : limits further marriages after earlier permissions were grantedQur’an 66:1 : releases him from self-imposed prohibition to please wivesQur’an 8:1 : assigns authority over distribution of war gainsQur’an 59:6–7 : grants him control over certain war resources without battleQur’an 33:53 : establishes special privacy and access rules for his homeQur’an 49:2 : requires believers to lower voices in his presenceQur’an 33:6 : gives him greater claim over believers and elevates status of his wivesQur’an 24:62 : requires people to seek his permission before leaving assembliesAdmit it, Allah does what pleases Muhammad
>>220298661>>220298716>>220298724>These niggas are pretending to take religion seriously on a softcore porn siteHoly shit this website is cooked. The average IQ has gone off a cliff in this brown shithole
>>220298562christianity predates judaismthe bible predates the talmud
>>220298768truth nuke
>>220298758>>These niggas are pretending to take religion seriously on a softcore porn siteno? I'm saying they are retarded for taking Islam seriously>>220298724Qur’an 47:2 : affirms belief in what was revealed to Muhammad and associates it with forgiveness and guidanceQur’an 48:1–2 : declares a clear victory and mentions forgiveness of past and future shortcomingsQur’an 33:56 : commands believers and angels to send blessings upon himQur’an 68:4 : describes him as being of great moral characterQur’an 21:107 : presents him as a mercy to all creationQur’an 94:1–4 : states that his burden was lifted and his mention elevatedQur’an 93:5 : وعد (promise) that he will be given until he is satisfiedQur’an 53:3–4 : states that what he conveys is not from personal desire but revelationQur’an 81:19–21 : describes the messenger (understood in context of revelation transmission) as honored and trustworthyQur’an 9:128 : describes him as compassionate and concerned for المؤمنين
>>220298273iirc, it was a heretical christian who convinced momo that the demon-thingy that almost strangled him to death in the cave was an angel of godhttps://answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/revealed.htmlhttps://answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm
>>220298758Sir, this is a Bangladeshi kite-testing forum.
>>220294576>Christianity conquered the Roman empire without fighting>without fightingLOL! YOU EXTINCTED ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUPS AND LANGUAGES OVER THIS
>>220298758let him cook
Qur’an 69:44–46 :States that if the Messenger had fabricated statements in God’s name, God would seize him and قطع الوتين (cut his aorta/life artery).Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 4428 :Narrates that during his final illness, Muhammad said he continued to feel the effect of food eaten at Khaybar and felt as if his aorta was being cut.yeah I'm thinking Allah killed Muhammadgoodbye
>>220298758Why are you getting over excited? Theology is a perfectly valid /int/ernational topic. One of the very first questions humans asked as they gazed into the expanding cosmos.
>>220298639>you’re just a racist bigotlolis Islam a race now?
>>220297836The fact that you can't fathom someone changing his mind just proves you're a retard.
>>220298665Christianity is flawed much like >>220298670 points out about Islam.The original interpretation was never good enough and today even gay people can marry and trannys become sermons.It is a joke authority like any ruling institution relying on the trust from actual people. How and why religion works despite of this isn't to hard to get a grasp of. Sapolsky at Stanford should give you a solid foundation. See his lectures on jewtube before it is to late!
>>220297784Never happened.
>>220298880Wrong. Christianity is true:>>220298410
>>220298847The entire catalog is softcore porn pics of women in various states of undress or racebait about interracial sex. People regularly go full NSFW and upload hardcore pornography. Every /soc/-tier thread has faggots sending each other catbox links of their full nude bodies and cocks or arses. I've seen people post everything from sodomites shitting out dolls to a cat being forced to suck off a tranny's penis to BBC porn spam to every flavor of troon spam possible.Tldr: You people are gigantic hypocrites.
>>220298910See the whole thing. Picking cherries and reinterpreting them to become LE TRVE RELEVATIVNS is dismissing natural patterns that's not to hard to reproduce in controlled environments.You can believe what you want, it doesn't make sky daddy less made up in reality.
>>220298994>no argumentSo many words just to say nothing.You're just babbling.This is what happens to the typical heathencuck when confronted with arguments.Christianity is true.Jesus rose from the dead.Deal with it.
>>220298920yes i know there's a lot of porn on this board, but it's purpose was for sharing and talking about culture with /int/ernational people.
>>220293186>if I am a fraud and a potential prophet then I will die by having my aorta severed>*dies by having his aorta severed*what did Muhammed (peace be upon him) mean by this?
>>220299201>ignoring Grice's razorNigga who are you playing dumb with? This place is glorified Twitter and you can't even discuss anything without getting banned but troons can make shitty "arses of /int/" threads all day with 0 consequences. You're just fishing for converts along with the egypsy to feel good about owning muh Dindus but there are no potential convertees here because it's a fucking pigsty. No one cares about sky daddies other than schizophrenes fresh off of /x/ or /pol/ and the proof is that the place is chock full of porn and has always been full of porn
>>220298994It's pointless to try and argue with him. He probably thinks the world is 5000 years old and his brain has been completely rotted through. America has a huge problem with borderline cultist evangelicals and it's only gotten more obnoxious as of late. The only thing that was capable of dealing with them was shameless reddit neckbeard atheists and they've unfortunately long since gone extinct.
>>220298792That would be the Ebionites and/or Mandaeans, the Arian Christians barely had any reach in the Arabian Peninsula.
>>220299314Witness how the heathencuck is too pussy to confront the argument, but sulks and backbites in the background with his fellow heathencuck in an effete way, to console him?Atheism is a mental disease.Atheists are just spiteful mutants throwing a tantrum at their Creator because they're failures:>The mutant says in his heart, “there is no God”: the rejection of collective religiosity centred around the worship of moral Gods is associated with high mutational loadarchive.vn/aNzyfAtheists ought to be barred from public life altogether, for the good of society.Religious people are healthier, happier, more social, stronger, more charitable, basically better in every way than gaytheist basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who failed at life and are seething about it.Atheism is a suicidal delusion for weak, spineless, spiteful pussies.
>>220298920That's what makes this place oh so lovely
Not only is islamic theology utterly retarded (islemaic dillemma etc)Look at the kind of people islam createslook at the kind of society islam creates
>>220298649اعتقد كدا كفاية كسم 4chan
>>220299294>to feel good about owning muh DindusI don't feel any animosity towards the hindus; I rarely talk about their scriptures or reformers in a polemical tone, despite that being their modus operandi here.I think you're confused about our dislike of India, which is rooted in a political struggle for separation through a plebiscite, with that of a religious difference, like people paint in their rhetorics nowadays.Also Hindutva is political ideology of oppression, simple as that. Which the state seeps into every crevice of thought, but it is not something necessarily underpinning faith.I'm not fishing for converts or giving dawah, why would anyone listen to a jeet man from the other side of the world? I just think it's a good place to talk, there are few alternatives, xitter is the actual pigsty.
abrahamic retards measure how good their religions are by how many reported magical feats they have lmfao imagine being this primitive, a 60iq guy from nigeria believing this stuff actually happened is understandable but be fr
>>220299370Islam turns entire populations into retards prone to genetic illnesses incompatible with modern societies because they use a warlord with a penchant for pedophilia and incest as their moral compass though
>>220293186in islam quran is supposed to be mohammad's miracle because he was illiterate and its a literary masterpiece or somethingthe age of miracles is over or something
>>220295083thisarabic changed to suit the quranalif laam meem for example is not even arabic but because mohamad used it they think its arabicits aramaic btw
>>220293186Blessed are those who believe without seeing, Thomas. I hate Islam and am not religious at all but you are simply wrong in your value system if you're meaning to favor Christianity
>>220299642>>220299630say whatever you want about Islam but at least it's right about women
>>220298649محاولة فاشلة من مراهق للحصول علي بعض الدوبامين، علي الاقل عملت الي علي بس الموضوع زاد عن حده
Reminder Allah (Muhammad) made adoption illegal just so Muhammad can have sex with his daughter-in-law who was also his cousin
>>220298649kek>>220299680not at alli love my wife and i love my women friends and id kill myself before i let anything like that vid come to pass>>220299688hes right even as an ex muslim i can tell you that youre wasting youe time here
>>220299680Perfect example of a subhuman retard behaving like his VII century subhuman warlord would've behaved
>>220298108Islam is right about women
>>220293186>no proof of it being ever realYeah, miracles are where that really becomes a problem. Everything else is rock-solid.
>>220299680The only based thing to come out of the Arabian desert>>220299688تالله أقسم لك فيش أي حد على الموقع ده يبالي بالدين غير ذوي الأمراض النفسية الحادة. روح علي اللوح /x/ وهتفهم أنواع الناس اللي يهمها الروحانية على موقع إباحي
>>220299619Christianity is true and correct. See>>220298410>>220298364
>>220299619You're making a fallacious argument with a false premise.A doubly wrong argument.Typical heathencuck.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
>>220299772keki fucking love egyptian arabic its so hilarious
>>220299667You should become Christian, because Christianity is true.See >>220298410.
>>220299630Even (Christian) european royalty practiced inbreeding. It was to keep power and riches within the family.In islam it happens for some other reason obviously. Perhaps cargoculting European royalty? Or just being shy about nudity?
>>220299772ياسطا روحانيات اية الناس هناك دماغهم ملحوسة المكان هناك عبارة عن ناس مؤمنة بنظريات المؤمرة ومفيش ريحة اسلام في المكان دهانا هقطع 4chan اسهل بدل ما اكفر يجدع
>>220297718You know they let actual slaves build their sport arenas and clean their homes right?
>>220300159You should convert to Christianity, because Christianity is true: >>220298410.The Qur'an affirms the divine inspiration, authority, and preservation of the Torah and the Gospel.But the Qur'an contradicts the Torah and the Gospel on major theological and historical points.Therefore, the Qur'an is false.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_eVB27PR1Ehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=yZgMUyfQSIQhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=xLE-ZWgfTcwCome home to Christ, the living Word of God.
>>220299979It wasn't widespread and you could see royals becoming more and more retarded. They do it because momo wanted to fuck his cousin, it's not that deep
>>220299294kashmiri mullahs genocide and expel non-Muslim minorities and talk about opression plays victimit's the same with partition fanatical obsession to islamize everything & condemn any non-Muslim culture as idoltry and destroy them it's same everywhere obsessed with superiority of Islam ,false sense of superiority calling other religions errors with smugface
>>220300397All I'll say is the account of all the blood you've spilled in this land will be recounted.When you stand in the presence of your god, and his justice you'll receive; a life as a bug who'll never take human form again.
>>220300349بس ياض مش هروح اعبد اله قتله اليهود ومش هأمن بكتاب فيه سفر زي نشيد الاناشيد ده، خلي الدعوة المسيحية دي لنفسك
>>220300458>katuwa with zero self awareness
>>220300538Go on then, tell the yakubians of your misadventures. What time period should we start from?
>>220300560>noooo the Indian army raped our womenIt's called right hand possession and is sunnah
>>220298639>Birmingham Quranalways knew the brits are going back to their true religion what with all their paki brothers
>>220300594Yeah that's what I thought. recoil and hide, you gutless coward. You think this is your state media? Fuck off back to /pol/
>>220300538muslims are self serving hypocrites and believe all non muslims will be tortured forever for not accepting Islam, weird sense of superiority complex they got
>>220301137??I didn't hide, cuckmiriI replied within minutesyou were the one wiping your tears on your shalwar for 40 minutes before coming up with a whiny reply
>>220294619No, rome collapsed because of imperial overreach and corruption. That it was replaced by the vatican which soon grew to such power that it could force emperors to beg on their knees in rags should dispel the notion that christianity is collapse-inducing. The catholic church is possibly the most successful organization in history, in terms of power and stability. I'm not christian mind you.
>>220294495Wrong, it was an efreet sultan
Scientific miracles
>>220302131always annoyed me that muslims and arabs use indian numerals instead of arabic numerals for whatever reason
>>220302131only after general relativity and cosmological redshift is discovered by Einstein & Hubble lest just appropriate well established scientific theory now to promote my religion dawah
>>220293186Why is it the raped shitskins who are the most fervent christcucks? It's fascinating.
>>220301364*imperial overreach over religious freedom(everyone forced to become christian) and corruption in the church*>b-but pope used corruption to bully the people in power...QEDCatholicism is not stability, it's stagnation.
>>220305016Sunk cost. You sacrificed your dignity and it was all for nothing if you admit you might have been wrong.
descartes would have been muslim
>>220305111Why wasn't he, then? Islam was not an unknown entity back then.
>>220293186>That zoomer that was just santified a while agoKEK WHAT?How can anyone take this religion seriously lmaoooooo
>>220294542>a miracle in the arab world is to be able to write without error
>>220305174Most preenlightenment philosophers (mathematicians) were all crypto-muslim they followed the same monistic ontology in terms of essence and logos. The term "Rather Turk than Pope" reflected this phenomenon in academia
>>220298758Why are you not replying to the Muslims obviously taking it seriously? Curious!
>>220305016>>220305054Real Christianity was made for poor and lowly people to relate to. I don't know what that shit they practice in america now is supposed to be.
>>220306473>no REAL christian -fallacy
>>220306549No it's true, modern pop christianity is a glorified troll from people who just want to stick it to leftists by claiming to be religious, it has none of the cultural aspects of old country chrisitanity like piety or humility, not even as a front.
>>220305174In Islam, Adam and Eve were the first Muslims
>>220293186Brother you must be borderline clinically retarded
>>220293186Islam is less a religion and more a revolutionary political ideology meant for conquest and building a global new world order.Its everything christianty was supposed to be and judaism could have been,if it showed up any sooner it would have succeeded.Built perfectly to destroy the pagan world.
>>22030755439:12 says Muhammad was the first muslimsurely Adam and Eve never recited the sahada which says Muhammad is a prophet
>>220293186there is a story about muhammad splitting the moon and another one about him traveling to jerusalem on a winged horse, not sure if those count
>>220307727Splitting of moon is an allegory of him mooning and getting his butt being split in two
>>220305285Christians wouldn't flog themselves or diet on bread and water or sleep on a stone floor without a blanket. Luther flogged himself and slept like a prisoner to show true compassion and humility of Christ. And what do modern, worldly Protestant churches do in places like America? Its a social club. A feel good club. Every church is like a Cub Scout pack, where nothing that can cause you grief or misery will ever happen. Or with the Evangelical community you defer to those that humiliated Jesus and destroy Xtian communities in favor of a ruthless state. Not even the Catholics are spared this charade. Again social club, less devotion.The Imperial Cult is the purest form of worship, as if you are not in it, you are taken by hel and chaos, enslaved for the greater good or consumed by gluttony and vanity. Everyone that is good has a crusader's heart (love and faith) and bears his cross (loyalty and responsibility).The Emperor (Jesus) Protects.
>>220307700
Islam is a just another sham religion (but more violent), clearly Mohammed met some wacky Christian and Jewish types, copied out some of their wonky texts and then added his own spin, hence all of the mistakes in retelling biblical stories, nonsensical letters & phrases etc. There's no point in dwelling on these as they can always be hand waved away, can be danced around by scholars, or countered with whatabouttery. The most important thing is that Muslim countries are generally populated by ignorant, brutish, and wretched people (hence so many of them seeking refuge abroad in the West), but how much of that is down to Islam is debatable, much of it is probably down to their retarded tribalism which keeps them down.
>>220305036>>220305054>>220306549Look at this butthurt gaytheist predditor STILL seethingNotice how he can't address the argumentStupid heathencuck
>>220305016butthurt heathencuck with no argument
>>220305111>>220305387muzzdog bullshitter
>>220310123You claimed here >>220310095 the heathen anon didn't present an argument, but you're doing the same.
>>220300534The Islamic dilemma refutes Islam.There is no escape.Muhammad was a false prophet.And he died the way he said a false prophet would die.https://youtube.com/watch?v=OUlU2vLyd4M
>>2203077271. The split moon story wasn't written down until the 830s to 850s in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim. That is a gap of about 200 years between the event and the written biography.2. The story doesn't say Muhammad split the moon.3. There is only one other cited eyewitness to this alleged event.
>>220310318read the thread next time:>>220298410
>>220310673You called him a bullshitter but didn't offer anything against
>>220310070There's no arguments to address because there were none. Nice job proving how there is no hate like Christian love.
>>220311180The god doesn't send her sharpest warriors.
