Could it have saved them?
>>220300738No
>>220300738yes
>>220300748friedman?>>220300758marx?
>>220300738Not really. What screwed India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan is that they destroyed the princely states which had a moderating effect on religious extremism. Also Nehru was a retard and ran the country into the ground>>220300787Marx would have agreed that a period of capitalist development is necessary for a country as poor as India to transition to socialism
>>220300738They have actual still active communist insurgencies with the Naxalites, Maoist groups. There's areas they've controlled for decades.Also communists in state governments. Kerala is near a one party state. West Bengal was for decades too but they dropped off.
extreme socialism destroyed India's growthsearch "license Raj era" in India we also believe in import substitution Chinese we're smart allied with west ditching Soviets for foreign capital
>>220300738India is as close to communist as it was ever gonna get. Kerala literally has a democratically elected communist government. It's the the same as anywhere else in Indiathe jeet caste and izzat systems just make it impossible for them to commit to a universalist movement. if you made everyone equal you'd be equal to the dalits.
>>220300937>Chinese we're smart allied with west ditching Soviets for foreign capitalChina was already an industrialized nation at that point however. They first stumbled into industrialization following the soviet model, then followed the American-German-Japanese model of>tarriffs for thee but not for me
>>220301023China was also much more organized, literate, well-governed, richer... everything needed for a modern economy. India only had some railways spammed by the Brits and 5 million different tribes under one government. Kek. India never had a chance.
>>220300738Only if it went the China route where it adopted state capitalism and crushed local cultures.
>>220300738honestly the biggest problem with this wouldn't be the fact that it is communist, but rather the fact that it includes Pakistan and Sri Lanka (Bangladesh is also a problem but not so big)it would probably fall apart in a few years
>>220300738Too diverse and politically diffuse compared to China. China is far more homogenous, particularly now that Mandarin and a more truly national culture have been imposed on the whole country, forcibly or otherwise. The few minorities can be ignored until they blow up a train station like the Uyghers did. For all the damage it did to the culture and the mainlander psyche, I think Mao wiping the old slate clean with his political and cultural overhaul also allowed them to do a lot without worrying about how things were. Meanwhile India has too much sectarian bullshit and disunity.
>>220301023Bodied that jeet, Vishwagurus will spam le India Century incessantly yet watch them explode when they learn that during 1962 war China was stamping it's own Type 56 Ak copies while super stronk Indian Army (homos) were using 303 bolt actions
>>220300738How would becoming a communist shithole save India?
>>220301509There's a new breed of generationally wealthy Champaign socialists, often NRIs or returning from foreign education, mostly having near aristocratic land wealth or belong to generations of senior civil service families that promote an elitoid led communist state
>>220301457nehru and other Gandhian politicians believe army funding is useless just maintaining good police force for internal stability is enough
>>220301509>How would becoming a communist shithole save India?it won't look at west Bengal ruled by communists for 5 decades Kerala have alternative governments between communists and congress and their economy got saved by gulf boom remittance
>>220301595That's an urban legend, Congress elders had a vision of non aggressive India in a world full of militarisation and militarism post WW2, you can disagree with the vision, but you should know that the British Indian Imperial Forces were built around internal security and domestic suppression, this is one the only things I agree on with Nehru, such a mercenary military breeds a deep state and would've 100% lead to a coup down the line, especially since a lot of British officers were leaving, putting power hungry Indian officers in charge who had a loyalty to paltan over nation, it wasn't a shortcoming during Raj times, since the Raj wanted officers to be loyal to the institution rather than the land, Nehru very skillfully gutted it to ensure it remained apolitical, there's a reason why India doesn't have a Joint Staff or General Staff of the Armed Forces Go to your JEE and NEET coaching kid
>>220300841communists like that dont have the guts to do collectivization and urbanization on the scale the ussr did
>>220300738Did it save anywhere else? There's your answer.
>>220301866Communism’s discouragement of religious practice is the only reason why Central Asia is 80% Muslim but not comprised of radical jihadists.Hell, they banned the burqa before a lot of western countries.
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>>220301764and the result of this underfunding ignoring military preparedness as you said >>China was stamping it's own Type 56 Ak copies while super stronk Indian Army (homos) were using 303 bolt actionsunderfunding army and have to beg bombers from Kennedy during conflict may be mao did us a favour showing reality of geopolitics believeing in ideals of Hindi chin Bhai bhaiamong all nonaligned countries only cyprus shown sympathy to India publicly post war there severe disillusionment with our policy towards NAM also I am saying is India was forced to abondon lot of ideals it believed in its foundation it will ignore your personal remarks
>>220300738has communism ever saved anyone
>>220301941Indian left are different they are like western left romanticize Islamists & early Indian left supposed Pakistan movement
>>220302361>supposedsupported
>>220302139I knew you'd post the underfunding=failure, putting the Indian Army (homo) in its place was as much a necessity as containing China, which brings me to the second part of the critique, underfunding cannot be a cop out for strategic and tactical failures, the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report, while still classified, critiqued both political and military leadership, modern militarism ignores the military part and the Indian military is more than happy to promote it as Nehru's own failure, whereas the report is said to have highlighted the stronk macho Army's own failures, or rather outright blunders, and I posted about the rifles because it provides a sorry state of the manufacturing and industry in India, which is still in a bad state 35 years post liberalisationPost independence Indian army had a disdain for the civilian leadership, especially the Indian officers, losing a war seems punishment enough, but even now India is nowhere near China in any sector, and part of it is because India funds islands of excellence, one time white elephants, which kinda began with Nehru, ignoring skill development, school education, and surface transportation, and funding IITs, AIIMS, Atomic Energy and Space program, which are good for the elites of the nation involved in these activities, but does little to elevate poverty and unemployment
>>220301066China was not richer lol, until the 90's India was richer than China, which is insane to think.
>>220302546>promote it as Nehru's own failure, whereas the report is said to have highlighted the stronk macho Army's own failuresB N Mullick and B M Kaul gets lot of blame although politicians got criticized for promoting incompetent people who are close to political establishment in military >ignoring skill development, school education yeah amertya sen criticized nehru for ignoring primary education we believe agricultural class artisans don't need compulsory school they will just inherit skills from their parents ,this is where east Asians shine they made primary education mandatory we fucked up building good human capital
India's greatness lies in its unification... under Anglo rule.
>>220300738They had a war with China in the 60s and China won a total victory. The Chinese could have rolled down the Himalayas and nothing could have stopped them...but they didn't. I wonder why.
>>220301941Communism didn't work there though >>220301943China has been capitalist since Deng's reforms.
>>220302928If places like Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan were never communist they would probably be Afghanistan-tier by now. But yes Central Asia is doing way better today due to free market reforms and free-ish elections.
>>220302806>this is where east Asians shine they made primary education mandatory we fucked up building good human capitalWe didn't fuck up, it was by design, the people who benefit from the Indian state are precisely the ones who don't give a shit about it, you'll continue to see massively subsidized IITs, expansion of state privileges for bureaucrats and their families, while you eat shit, whether early Congress leaders wanted this or not is debatable, but one cannot ignore the fact that Indian bureaucracy and Indian elitoids in general are their own state in India, so is the Indian corporate interests or even the criminal underworld, they collude with each other to put you downModi is a great unveiling of the Indian state, you cannot incorporate railways because it's workers unions are an interest group, can't touch DISCOMs because it's workers are their own interest group, can't reform local administration and local governance because it'll dilute the powers of District Magistrates and the IAS lobby opposes it, can't reform the Police because the police lobby opposes it, can't reform judiciary because the judiciary here is a state within a state within a state, Indian was a colonial extractive project, now it's a native elitoid extractive project People like Mullick and Kaul were the results of this very deep state, they don't really give a shit about India or Indian territory, they don't give a shit about Indian people, they are institutionalists, their loyalty is to the institution, civil, military, or corporate
>>220303180>judiciary here is a state within a state within a stateit's funny our judiciary just grants demigod status to itself over vague stuff like basic structure nobody knows what this basic structure of constitution all iit graduates migrate to foreign countries it's just waste of tax payers interest they should be forced to work for Indian state atleast 5 years if they received subsidy
>>220302618I mean historically, that data doesn't mean anything considering Indian reporting standards.
>>220303374I've no problem with IITians emigrating, everybody is free to search for a better life, all I want is for them to pay for their own education, every student enrolled in IITs, or take out student loans
>>220302928xi jinping has a phd in marxism
>>220302928China is a communist country with a marxist-leninist party ruling over china with a centrally planned command economy. To be rich is to be glorious, angloid
>savedRead some fucking history. It doesn't work like that.
>>220300738the only mistake of white people was not wiping off poos from existence
>>220302243unironically poland lolor you prefer the gas chamber?
>>220301941No, it isn't. See Turkey.
>>220306306:/read a book nigger
>>220306559Erdogan is regressing that country
