In soviet times, you could be sent to the gulag because you were late to work or because you owned too many chickens
Seems a little unreasonable.
>>220343348In around 50 years when North Korea opens up to the world we will think about the same retarded propaganda stories about how bad it was and laugh
>>220343882are you implying NK is not as bad as it seems?
>>220343348>gulag because you were late to workWe need to bring this back NOW. Except it's summary executions for anyone who is late to work and also anyone who stays for overtime.
>>220343348>or because you owned too many chickensOne of my great grandfathers got sent to siberia (with his wife) because he had a shoe workshop with a few workers, another great grandparents pair got sent to siberia too because they belonged to some german minority
>>220344038> commies are turbo capitalist oligarchs in rversenot surprised
>>220344288Shooting people because they're late for work is the only way to prevent your ethnicity's replacement by Indians who will show up on time every time.
>>220343348>because you were late to workBased
if you arrive 5 minutes late to work everyday it adds up to 166 hours a year, that's 5 days off
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(crime)
>>220343980yep, people said the same shit about USSR during the cold war but in the end it turned out to be propaganda
>>220347310Seems a little different given that we have internet now and its still a fucking deadzone.
>>220347378tbf it takes a high IQ to janitor well.
>>220347403Well do you think the USSR wouldn't have been one if it survived to the present day? I'm not saying NK is good by any means, it's still a totalitarian dictatorship but shit people say about it is just ridiculous There are people who shot footage outside the touristy areas, it's just a country
>>220343348>or because you owned too many chickensYou get shot for owning in the first place
>>220347310But the USSR did had brutal Gulags with hundred of thousands of humans right violations. The USSR did commit ethnic cleansing with it's ethnic minorities and satellite states
>>220347592did you have any grandparents that were sent to the gulag?
>>220347631And I never said USSR was the land of milk and honey, it was bad, it was totalitarian, but people engaged in far worse during the red scare, the usonian fearmongering and worse case scenario thinking was just as badAll I'm saying is you have to be realistic when it comes to NK, is it bad? Yes. Do people scavenge for beetles and reeds everyday just to survive? Hardly think so.
>>220347637No
>>220347692>but people engaged in far worse during the red scareThe red scare didn't had USSR levels of ethnic cleansing and starvation lol
>>220344561Based, thank you white people for literally offering to genocide yourselves. We (Indian American btw) don't even need to move to your countries to do the deed anymore
>>220347721Yes the red scare mindset just made americans intervene all over the globe and topple a bunch of different regimes, biggest blunder being vietnam Look I'm trying to whitewash USSR, it was a shithole
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>>220347754Ok that was more reasonable
>>220347692>but people engaged in far worse during the red scareI wish that was true. America was criminally permissive of communism. So much so in fact that it rotted the brain of euros like yourself and yet no one cares.
>>220347692>the usonianim sure youre not biased with your outlook at all
>>220347765We literally sponsored terrorists and state terror across Latin America, Europe, Asia, and Africa for 35 years to heckin pwn the Soviets retard
>>220347765>>220347785I just can't with you guysI just don't believe NK is as outlandishly bad as the media says it is. I still would never live there, and it's still a shithole. Do with it what you want.
>>220347810a decade ago in nk some american got arrested for allegedly stealing a poster (no proof btw) and then got tortured by the government and died
>>220347831Yes, Warmbier. Should you invade NK now? Did US never kill or torture foreign nationals, EVER?
>>220347859name an instance where an american tortured a non-political foreigner to the point of being a vegetable for no reason
>>220347877where the us government*
>>220347806>Latin America, Europe, Asia, and AfricaI mean, so did the soviets
>>220347877Abu Ghraib prison torturehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
>>220347877>>220347888>We never ever ever ever did anything wrong or morally questionablebe serious now
>>220347906America did NOTHING wrong
>>220347906>>220347919>In a landmark decision on November 12, 2024, a U.S. federal jury held the private military contractor CACI Premier Technology, Inc. liable for its role in the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison during the Iraq War. The jury awarded $42 million in damages to three Iraqi plaintiffs—Suhail Al Shimari, Asa’ad Zuba’e, and Salah Al-Ejaili—who were subjected to severe abuse at the prison's "hard site," where the most egregious acts occurred. Each plaintiff received $3 million in compensatory damages and $11 million in punitive damages.[197][198]even with torture the us is more humane
>>220347954That's because America did NOTHING wrong
>>220347954Did you just seriously fucking say that?
>>220347966i dont see north korea giving millions of dollars to warmbiers' family
>>220347930>>220347954I mean, the US did commit hundred of atrocities but saying it was much worse than the Soviet ones is a gross statement. The Gulag system, the deportation and cleasing the minorities and satellite states , the great purge and the mass man made famine is WAY worse than anything done in the red scare
>>220347978https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier#Lawsuit
>>220343348Stalin killed 6 million Ukrainians after eating all of the grain Чи щocь
>>220347560Wow sounds great, you should move there
>>220347988$240,000 is nothing compared to millions
>>220343882The Soviet union proved all the propaganda right
>>220347806That wasn’t even 10 percent of what we should have done.
>>220347891Yeah they did, but that anon said America was permissive of global communism which is outright falseTbh a lot of the Soviet-funded regimes were more righteous anti-colonial ones like the North Vietnamese or generally based anti-reactionary regimes like the Afghan PDPA (they didn't shoot enough mullahs in the villages tbqh)Meanwhile America has the track record of selling weapons to the Islamist terrorists in Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua who smuggled cocaine into America and blew up little kids with land mines thrown willy nilly just so they could overthrow the democratically supported Sandinista governmentOr wait, I almost forgot that we supported the fucking TALIBAN and AL-QAEDA
>>220348019The only thing that the Soviet Union proved is the inferiority of their subjects that persists to this day
The north korean manlet epidemic is a humanitarian disaster ngl
>>220348013You americans are fucking scum of the earth, you did just as heinous shit all over the globe but I guess the illiterate iraqi/whatever the fuckinstani goat fuckers can't sue the bomber pilots and soliders because the said goat fuckers got turned into rendered fat and charred bones And now you play this game where >But they got more money for them being killed and tortured!!! Means we are the good goys
>>220348069actually nk gave nothing to warmbiers' family. they only got $250,000 because the us siezed assets from a nk bank
>>220347310It literally ended up being worse >>220347692>but people engaged in far worse during the red scare,Oh you are just a mentally ill trans commieGot it
>>220348095I guess it was badly formulated, US matched the commies in mental retardation I'm sorry to anyone who thinks I'm here to defend communists
>>220343882>>220347560>>220347692>>220347754>>220347810>>220347988>>220348069I have to see these retarded ass tankie posts every time I come to /int/
>>220348131They didn't. You are a retarded brown leftist seething at the first world.
>>220348148Why are they so uncivilized, so depraved?
>>220348029>Tbh a lot of the Soviet-funded regimes were more righteous anti-colonial ones like the North Vietnamese or generally based anti-reactionary regimes like the Afghan PDPAThey were just totalitarian shitholes, not some righteous enlightened regimes
>>220348148>>220348152Did I say anything good about USSR? No. Did I say NK is a fucking shithole (multiple times in fact)? Yes. >B-but you said US is not a perfectly morally good country therefore I and gorillion other posters must chimpout read this again, I didn't even want to say anything about fucking America in the first place, I just said that all those retarded stories you read online about North Koreans living on one grain of rice per day ARE FUCKING RETARDED >>220347810
>>220348199>bro the US is just as bad because it went to war to stop the spread of communism (in order to save 10s of millions of lives) as communism is for murdering 10s of millions of people
>>220348199Why do you keep making excuses for Pozzia?
>>220348223>communism inherently bad >usa inherently goodokay
>>220348199You are the only one chimping out here
>>220348228>communism inherently badok, so whats been good about it?
>>220348228>>communism inherently badObjectively yes>usa inherently goodNo but it stopped the spread of communism which is inherently good. You are a faggot brown tankie.Communism is a death cult.
>>220348238It killed many stupid people raising the average IQ
>>220348199I mean yeah, the "we were forces to push the trains with bare hands" is probably sensationalist bullshit, I just wanted to point the "the red scare did worse" was an absurd
>>220347560Yah, there probably is a lot of hyperbole about it and life at the end of the day has similarities to other life, but the few glimpses people do get into it that seems real and non manufactured does look particularly gonzo in a way not quite comparable to some eastern block hungarian.There is global factional blocks like east and west of the cold war, but then there is near radio silence in one single country with all signs pointing to a weird ultra statist architecture that is really hard to compare to other stuff.
>>220348245USA did NOT stops the spread of communism.
>>220348278>literally every north korean defector (there are thousands of them) describes north korea as a dystopian hell>Nah bro they all lying, NK probably cool!
>>220348289it would have spread further and faster without the us
>>220348252TBF it killed a lot of smart people who wouldnt toe the party line as well. Cambodia being an extreme example, but similar brain drains happened in china and to a lesser degree the eastern block as well. Though tbf, there was also a degree of self censuring intellectuals in the west as well with the red scare.
>>220348289Stopped the spread to South Korea.Stopped the spread through parts of South AmericaStopped the spread to TaiwanStopped the spread to the middle east
>>220348303Fair enough
>>220348290I didnt say that. I said that there probably IS some exaggeration for media's sake BUT a lot of it is probably true. not believing everything =/= not thinking its a hellhole. I find its very conceptual bases pretty disturbing.There was one guy who made a lot of the Juche ideology with Kim that defected and basicly made his family commit suicide in nogkorea because he couldnt handle what he helped create. In some ways hes an ultimate coward in some ways an ultimate hero. would make a super neat Shakespearian tragedy.
>>220343882I thought we were laughing about it already
>>220348186>North Vietnam was more totalitarian than South VietnamLol no>DRA was totalitarianI wish, would have produced more dead islamists. Alas the Khalq never got to execute their party platform in full and got quickly replaced by Parcham cuckolds
>>220348449I don't know what to tell you. It sounds like you are somehow proud of Soviet crimes and their satellite states and sponsored regimes.
>>220347954This is just the shit you know about. The rest is too special for the peasants to know about.Even the most blatant blacksites like Gitmo are still open. Any boomers here remember when Obama said he was going to close it? Kek.
>>220348148>Look at how bad the Soviet Union was by looking at this child that had to prostitute itself under capitalism that followed its collapse.What is your point Davido? You are making the Soviet Union look good in comparison.
>>220348228You forgot to add the gigachad image.
>>220348822>It's capitalism's fault the soviet union collapsed because communism doesn't work
>>220348799Do you support the Taliban and Al-Qaeda?
>>220349012No, why would I?Do you support without questioning American role on global war on terror?
>>220349025Lmao the leftist Afghan government didn't hurt a hair on anyone's head who wasn't actively trying to institute a theocratic Islamic shithole dictatorship state like next door in IranAmerica supported the overthrow of the DRA by tribal savages and then killed millions of innocent people for 20 years straight until it made them all into contrarian islamists
>>220349110They literally did widespread crimes against humanity and genocidehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_crimes_in_the_Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
>>220343882The most retarded ones yeah probably. Like, there are clearly competent architects in Pyongyang for example.
>>220343348If you own multiple cows, you go to gulag, if you own 1 cow, the cow is confiscated to be put in the cow gulag (the Kolhoz)
>>220343882You don't think the state executes you and your family if you don't get one of the five approved juche haircuts? Fucking tankie
>>220347310>yep, people said the same shit about USSR during the cold war but in the end it turned out to be propagandaYou must be retarded if you think ussr was the same in the 40s/50s and 80s. It's not that all the things said were untrue, they were untrue when ussr collapsed
>>220348069Hahaha leftie tranny got triggered go immolate yourself for palestine
>>220347310>it turned out to be propagandaNorwegian education
>>220349169>Wikipedia >Literally every single one of the accusers is a "Holocaust scholar" and half of them are explicitly IsraeliLol
>>220348069dilate
