Who is more italian?>Option A: MohhamedParents fom Senegal. 0% european blood. Was born in Milan. Grew in Italy and speaks perfect italian>Option B: Joao75% italian 25% portuguese origins (4 generations back). Was born in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Doesn't speak italian. Italian citizenship.
B
Neither is fully italian but A is almost certainly gonna be more likeable. A lot of south american immigrants ive met were annoying as fuck about their inferiority complexes
option b: joao "italian" refers to your legal status as a citizen but also your ethnicity and phenotype. until recently these things were one and the same, now they're starting to become separate concepts due to high migration.I have relatives in germany who had children there. they're not german. they're italians who live in germany and their kids have german citizenship, but they don't just magically become german.maybe this can happen to their bloodline after a few generations, as they interbreed with the local population.if you disagree you are most likely a redditor who believes men can become women
>>220462842B
>>220462842More Italian? B, but not a proper italian and never will beWho i would rather hang out with? A
Speaking mandarin doesn't make you chinese. Also, Mohammed likely speaks his parents' language at home, and will never feel really italian. The reason why his parents named him Mohammed is that they want him to be separate from the rest of the italian population in the first place, or else they would have named him Marco, Francesco, Carlo, Leonardo, Edoardo, Giulio, Alessandro, Augusto, Antonio, Giovanni, Andrea, Luca, etc. Foreign diasporas are all mentally ill due to their parents
>>220462842What's João's surname?
Ngubu is probably more likable
>>220462906>>220463047>>220463216why do immigrants seethe at us so much?
>220463864>if u dont like me u iz uno imigranto or however da monki soup is cookied!!Found the butthurt Joao
>>220462842I've known more than a few As and they don't really feel any different from ethnic Norwegians, only difference is they have to deal with prejudice the rest of us don't. Meanwhile someone like Pete Hegseth for example, has a completely alien mindset and values to us.
>>220462842B, obviously. Euros and LatinX need to understand living in a place =/= belonging to that place's people
>>220462842Why isn't joao 15% african?
The right answer is Mohammed. The fact that you have Italian greatparents doesn't make you an Italian, because italianità is much more than genetics, italianità is a state of mind that can only be developed by living in Italy since your birth and how you speak the Italian language.South Americans (mostly Brazilians and Argentinians) were abusing the ancient and outdated ius sanguinis laws that have no place in the modern, civilized society.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_oYTK1F03Gg
>>220462842>"Spanish" flag>Latinx postEvery time kek
>>220462842Both should stay out
>>220462981>>220463169Thirdies diaspora on Italian flags
>>220465147>german flag>latinxI love you chikaner gimme an autograph
>>220464511Zitto brutto schifoso puzzolente
>>220465190The hit dog hollers, go back to your shithole you cancerous larper
>>220462981Based
>>220462842Probably A
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>>220464511No need to Cope.These people are more Italian than any non-Italian immigrant, because in Italy, where jus sanguinis applies, within a generation the child will be entirely Italian, both by blood and culturally.An immigrant with no blood ties will never be Italian, not even in the tenth generation, because they lack the bloodline.Brazil operates on the principle of jus soli, so anyone can be Brazilian.Everyone has their own choice and path to follow.Only the New World operates on the principle of jus soli, making it the only place where it is possible to self-determine one’s nationality.This applies to the whole of the Old World, including Africa, the Middle East, and so on.
>>220464363Maybe he's elderyhttps://youtu.be/qWO26pDcZLI?t=235
>>220467921>>220465401
>>220462842Option A. If you don't speak italian you can't be part of our society.
From all these posts, I’ve discovered B just needs to learn Italian.
There’s a variant of Option B named Joaquin, who’s 25% Spanish and was born in Rosario
All german flags in this thread is Chikaner kekhttps://youtu.be/X7pjgXqnY7Y?t=67
>>220468824It takes about three months for a Portuguese speaker to learn Italian kek
>>220469008B should feel deeply ashamed for not knowing Italian then
>>220469057Italians are a bit lazy. You just know.
>>220468883https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4SXdSyamIA8
>>220469057Why? It's not that usefull
>>220462842A is SenegaleseB is Brazilian
and all white englishmen are more french than any non whites in France
>>220462842Interestingly by the logic in my cunt, A can be considered more Italian if he had a name that wasn't Mohammed. Like maybe Antonio or Luigi or whatever, regardless of being as brown as a tree trunk and praying to Allah rather than il Signore.
>>220462842BFuck spain by the way shouldn't you guys be killing teenagers and rewarding migrant rapists or something, get off the internet
>>220464511>italianità is much more than genetics, italianità is a state of mind that can only be developed by living in Italy implying people named muhammad jihad al-kuffarslayer feel italian at all. muslim diasporas do not assimilate, they're like jews
>>220469258If it’s that easy with Portuguese as a first language, then there’s no reason for B not to know Italian, especially because B has Italian citizenship and probably has some interest in Italy since he’s 75% Italian. English is a more useful language, but Italian would be a fine language with plenty of media, literature, and culture to immerse in.
>>220462842>Mohhamed>Parents fom Senegalthe shit I took this morning is more Italian
>>220470611The vast majority of brazilians (including hyphenated brazilians such as italian-brazilians, german-brazilians, japanese-brazilians) are philistines. They don't care about culture, art, beauty, philosophy, spirituality (beyond virtue signaling) and intellect. Therefore they don't care about language beyond it's immediate use.
>>220464330Yea but ethnicity isn't really about political beliefs.
The general public would say A, but 4chan is a containment site riddled with stealth eugenics enthusiasts, what your really asking is if nationality is about culture or genetics, and my answer is watch by the third generation pure bloods mix with every foreigner in proximity and your precious bloodline erased, then you will think hard if it really mattered that your grandson had your eyes instead of blaring heavy metal and hip hop music from across the pond, it's over you chose the wrong tactics, instead of promoting culture, your history will be erased, anyway, you won't be around to see it, luck you, lmao
>>220462842Nation is blood so B
>>220462842Nation is culture and language. Neither of your examples is italian.>Option AMohammed will never be able to be italian because his muslim beliefs and upbringing directly clash with Italy's heavily catholic culture.Change the example for someone like Balotelli, who was from a christian family and adopted by italians, and the equation changes. >Option BJoao has never been in Italy, doesn't speak italian, doesn't know anything about Italy apart from what his heckin nonna said, BUT brazilian (portuguese) culture is latin, mediterranean, and catholic, which is close enough to italian culture to be relatable.Change Joao for John, American from New Jersey, and the equation once again changes.In short, it's a more complicated spectrum than just "soil makes the nation!" or "blood makes the nation!"
>>220462842A gets instant citizenship B wouldn't be able to get citizenship nowadays so A according to Europeans
>>220470335Visit a local mosque, eat in a halal restaurant, say salamaleico, talk to people different than you, open your mind. You'd be amazed.
>>220472771thats what I'm saying, aside from fringe racist groups, Italians would say balo is Italian and Jonny contantini from the Bronx is a goof
>>220464330Muslim values are about stoning women and bombing churches. Most of the Islamic terrorists in Europe are from diaspora rather than being immigrants.>>220472771How do you define culture? The Congo is a Catholic Francophone nation, but their dances, tribes, and food is much different than France’s.
>>220473240Only when it comes to black and brown people. Many westerners don’t think that Asian-Americans are really American.
>>220462842a
>>220468425italy made it more strict to get citizenship based on blood because you sudaca ""italians"" were swarming the country
>>220462842A because it makes latinxs seethe
>>220462842It's simple.Multiply them by 1 million and create a city for each.City A will become a Senegalese city that has nothing to do with Italy. Doesn't matter that they would speak Italian. Many Africans speak French. So what?City B will become a larger version of those cities in South Brazil or Argentina that are full of Italian descendants and do in fact feel rather Italian/Mediterranean in many ways. There will be churches, opera houses, Italian food, Italian traditions etc. There will be many Italian speakers and Italian schools too, by the way. In many of the small cities I'm talking about, Italian lessons are in fact often offered for free in public schools.Individual examples are useless. Nationality has to take large groups of people into account.
>>220462842>Option C: Cleytacir90% Italian 5% Portuguese 5% Polish. Born in a Italian village with no electricity. Speaks an Italian variant at home. Doesn't know people can get citizenship of another country.
>>220475483Not my problem.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz2p-TdGhV8
>>220475483No, the actual reason is we weren't swarming it enough.The point of the law was to bring Italian-descended immigrants into Italy, but most Italian-Brazilian/Argentinian/American citizens chose to either stay in their home countries (where we're already upper class) or move to places like Germany, with better job opportunities. Tajani specifically complained about this.The number of Italian-Brazilians in Italy is likely around 100k or less.
