Property prices are insane, restaurant meal prices are insane (even before adapting the euro) food and basic items are turbo expensive and don't even get me started how they completely extort the population when it comes to utility bills. I went to more than a few restaurants in some major Western Europe cities last year and food and restaurants were cheaper than the small town I live in. Guess bulgarians are ok with it tho.
>>220559506Didn't your country lose like HALF it's population in the last few decadesWhy the fuck is that shit so expensive?
>>220561270I'm wondering the same question desu. I guess it comes to greed and the trying to exploit the population to the max before the country inevitably dies lol
>>220561472greed doesn't explain apartments being sold at these prices. there's a demand to meet the greed.
>>220559506i love bulgaria
>>220561270>1/2 population left>other 1/2 moved into 3 cities with any economic prospects driving up the prices through the roofIt's the same shit in every country with falling population. Some are just more severe than others. Sure, you can buy a house in a village population 3 grandmas for a price of 2 potatoes, but unless you work remotely, your only job will be drinking yourself to death
>>220559506Do you have any kind of statistics on these things? A single listing could be cherry picked
>>220563341>Sure, you can buy a house in a village population 3 grandmas for a price of 2 potatoesno you can't, all real estate prices have skyrocketed yes even those houses
>>220563729Sadly it isn't Finlandbro, this for example is a shitty 1960 apartment in the town I'm living in, 100 sq.m for 200k euros: https://www.bulgarianproperties.bg/imoti-chetiristayni-apartamenti/imot-87499-chetiristaen-apartament-za-prodajba-v-veliko-tarnovo.html?ch=2Be advised that, like I said, its a small ass town, where the average salary is less than 700 euros and yet everything is as expensive as the capital, if not more. Like I said, western europe was cheap in comparison lol
>>220559506>even before adapting the euroWhos gonna tell him
>>220563981I know it was pegged to the Euro lol but adopting it just gave businesses and mercants to just go "lol 1 euro = 1 lev" and fuck shit up
>>220559506i bought 3 apartments in 2010. now reaping the benefits. sucks to be you i guess
>>2205595062742 euros per sq metre is not a bad price in the capital. In Vilnius it's anywhere from 4k to 7k per sq metre.
>>220564080Yeah i was at the ripe age of 12 in 2010. Sucks to be me right lmao
>>220559506Zoomeroids like yourself don't remember the 90s when you had to step over heroin needles at every stairway, there were beggars on every street corner, people literally stole car emblems and doormats and you could get mugged just for having a cell phone. Don't talk to me about how over it is just because you can't afford to live in a brand new apartment in Sofia
>>220564135well. some people are winners and some are losers. it is what it is
>>220563935I took a quick look at the site. I can't really judge the location, and I didn't understand all the details, but those apartments do seem to be in similar price range as finnish apartments. I mean, in big cities in Finland apartments can go for 10k€/m^2, but I suppose bulgarian prices are still pretty high
>>220564185boomer/gen-x faggot moment
>>220564256Keep seething
>>220564185>Zoomeroids like yourself don't remember the 90s when you had to step over heroin needles at every stairway, there were beggars on every street corner, people literally stole car emblems and doormats and you could get mugged just for having a cell phoneSo nothing has changed then? Sounds like Finland in 2026, except we have more diversity
>>220564280What mental illness drives someone to lie in such an obvious and unconvincing way? Thirdies will lie about how amazing their country is, while firstoids will pretend they live in hell as they approach the age of 85 and the worst thing they experienced in life is seeing street littering once
>>220559506What exactly entitles you to a 2025-built 180sq m apartment which can easily fit a family of 4? You can get a 1 bedroom for 120k euro if you're so desperate to live in Sofia
>>220559506The same thing happened in my Slovak hometown. I recommend that you move as far west as possible, because the situation isn't going to get any better.
>>220564343Murder rate in Finland is about the same as in Bulgaria, and everything you mentioned is a problem in bad neighborhoods. Except for stealing car emblems, they don't make emblems like that for this exact reason
>>220564185>In SofiaI can't buy even a garage anywhere dumbass
>>220564530120k seems like a lot, especially at bulgarian salaries. My first home cost somewhere around 1.5x that, but finnish average salaries are 4x bulgarian salaries
>>220564530>This level of short-sighted thinking.And what if I want to start a family eventually?
>>220564688Then you save up while living below your means. I'm not saying the real estate market is great for buyers right now but what do you actually expect other than a dictatorship stealing all the apartments and giving you one?
>>220565439>but what do you actually expect other than a dictatorship stealing all the apartments and giving you one?Soon, brate.
>>220565547I hope you realize the stolen shit will just be given to the new elites, not to you
>>220565601>I hope you understand [my headcannon].You have not the slightest idea of anything or what it is to come.
>>220565653Unlike you I live in a country where the "revolution of the people" meme has already played out. Spoiler alert: the "true believers" got the rope soon after they won and the assets were distributed by the sharks at the top
>>220565764You come from a country that plowed the fields of mine for 500 years. The Bulgarian understanding of realpolitik, is lower than a negro toddlers understanding or literature. All wealth is acquired through war and war is an inevitably.The empty ideals you speak of have nothing to do with me. If it were not for your Revolution, and English and Russian money you would still be plowing the fields of the Turks. Now you work the fields of the EU, and you will suck the cock of any new master as that is in your Bulgarian slave nature and will always be.
>>220565902Ooooh you're some roach dishwasher in NYC, my bad brother, didn't know who I was talking to
>>220565949I am a free man, that's why I come here to bicker with my rape babies at 2PM. You are just an obedient little slave happy with his 120 meter shitbox that comes from ass locking. But the ass lickers will always be ass lickers, and the free men will always be free men. Safety and comfort does not last forever. You have no rifle to reach for when the going gets rough. You will stick your tail between your legs as you have done, and will always continue to do, because that is in your slave nature.
>>220561270>Didn't your country lose like HALF it's population in the last few decadesIs this real? How the fuck does that happen? That is worse than a war or a genocide if emigration doesn't answer for it.Thankfully it is not an issue. Entire tribes in India are getting ready to restore the glory of BVLGARIA.>>220565764>the "revolution of the people" meme has already played outYou're responding to an American. They had their "revolution of the people" meme too in 1776. Adding some "red" aesthetic to it changes nothing.
>>220566159He's not American, he's one of those third worlders who emigrate to the West and start praising their country afterwards
>>220566159Another retard who knows even less about anything than the Turk rape baby who sells out his countryman for EU shekels.I hope you land on our shores in the Balkans again so we can kill you like we killed your grandfather's.>>220566185I am not a nationalist, and you know even less about me than you know about me than you do about the nature of the world. Zhivkov (PBUH) took care of my family well.
>>220566159 >Is this real? How the fuck does that happen? That is worse than a war or a genocide if emigration doesn't answer for it.It happens because people here have this "durr there are winners and losers" or "it is what it is mentality" since forever. I'm pretty sure most people here just like being screwed over, hence most of the educated people left for countries that don't have that type of mentality ingrained into its people or at least not as much.
>>220566279Ok if you're not a nationalist post "Turkey is a shithole wirh lower GDP per capita than Bulgaria"
>>220566289It happens because you are cheap labour bought and sold on the market.
>>220564250Yeah and this is an apartment in a small irrelevant bulgarian town, now imagine how it is in larger cities lol
>>220559506My family owns a few apartments with pools in bvllgaria among others, few years ago they were so fucking cheap that now one season of renting them for tourists pays off 100% of the price lmao Gonna munch on some shopska by the pool too this year too, youre getting richer bvllgars you should be happy
>>220566423Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the same thing happening in Turkey? The difference is that it just a bigger country and people have more kids because of the religion.
>>220566411Türkiye is bourgeoisie republic the same as Bulgaria. Our rich live well and our poor suffer the same as anywhere else.Rent in Istanbul is more than Sofia. The Türkish wealthy class has existed since Attaürk's time, yours was made after your political elite sold your country for cheap to foreign speculators. And now we can see you adopt American western mentality and sell out your brothers for your own benefit. You would do the same to the haiduts fighting against Constantinople government.When a Bulgarian tells me he cannot afford to live, I tell him to pick up a rifle. When the Bulgarian tells his fraternal orthodox brother he cannot, he tells him to continue working [for what, exaxtly]The Turk still a nobleman, and the Bulgarian is still a slave. Time again nothing changes. Enjoy the fruits of your EU patronage. The drums of war have already begun and the bankers are already speculating for their immense profits. I hope you have children, so they can see the world their father created. He will turn against you as how Christ turned family against one another. Бoг дa пoмилвa дyшaтa ти.
>>220566687I want a number 11 with extra mustard and no pickles, thanks
>>220566513Who is talking about Türkiye? I have no relation to the Turkish republic. You might as well be American with your stupidity. You already adopt their individualist mentality like the swine you are. But half of the country is not blind to the swindle of Democracy. The Turks were blind and welcomed Democracy with open arms and now they are impoverished. The same will faith will follow all those who worship money and empty phrases.
>>220566770My last job was logistics. Now I live off the labour of others. Maybe I will get another job if it pays at least 70,000. I work a little and I read my literature. Always free to do what I please.
And now, the last thing to inform my little illiterate Bulgarian friends and the rest of other anons who don't have a functional education system.Of course the elite that comes through 'revolution' is not of the 'people'. The elite is the youth and the military class. Same as how the БКП and the Septembrists were made up of the military men of World War 1, same as how in CCCP the Bolsheviks were made up of the lower ranks of the Russian Army, [many whites would defect to the Reds] same as how in the liberal revolution of Attaürk it was primarily an order of military-men.'Revolution': or more accurately the usurption of power of the military elite generally occurs after war. The same is true much earlier in the military enterprises of Garibaldi which lead to the formation of the Italian Republic, or even earlier the French bourgeoisie revolutions which lead to Republican wars against Prussia, Spain, England etc.What is certain is that war is the final attempt of the bourgeoisie state to extract profits, because peacetime commerce has limits to the amount of profit which can be made. Most millionaires and billionaires come out after the war: and we can see that Iran and Ukranian fronts are testing grounds for the ordanance in which the next global conflict will be fought: reminiscent very much of the Spanish Civil War.What is certain: is that the Banks will do what theh always have done since the times of the Medici or the Rothschild. To prepare the people for war.
>>220567403It is a slow boil, but the days are coming. My estimation is approximately 20 years. Sounds like a long time? You will blink and the day will already be here. Bow to your new masters, fools: and throw all that your forefathers have created for money.
>>220567612Soon Bulgaria, then Greece, Poland, France. All will follow. And the people will be preparing. For what I, wonder. And the little Bulgarians will keep the arms folded while the younger generations cannot afford a home or a family. They will stay with their hands folded and send off the homeless and unwed to war while blushing and smiling and calling for patriotism.But they will come back, and they will come back with guns. What they will do once they come back from war, only God knows. But I think I have an idea.
>>220559506>1374sqftThat's like 125 square meter1.5 million € in a "normal" part of paris, up to 3 million € in a tourist area.Do we have wages 3 times yours ? Not that I know no. Bulgaria minimum wage 650€, French minimum wage 1400€. We have your wages x2 and your costs x3. It only benefits us on holidays.So stop complaining you are better off than us you retard. You are European, welcome to the club. We own nothing here. Get used to it.
>>220564185>Young people today have to shut up and deal with it just because things were a whole lot worse a gorillion years agoBravo retard. Are you also gonna tell me I shouldn't whine for food being expensive because children in Africa are starving or whatever?
>>220567842Slavs never take it seriously when Americans call us "yuropoors". They say we are "westerners" and "firstie". Holy shit they are in for a rude awakening hahahahahaOn top of that Von der Leyen will still flood even the fucking Bulgaria with niggers to raise the gdp by 0.1%lolWelcome to hell motherfuckers
>>220568023You don't have to shut up, feel free to seethe online
>>220559506And that's before the bank lending rates.
>>220568147Come on you can't say this, at least in France we have free healthckkkkrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpffffffffffffpfpfpfpfpfpfpffpkfrkfrpfkprfprkfr
>>220568147Africans aren't going to go to Bulgaria, they prefer a wealthier place with more gibesmedat aka you.
>>220568282The men without wives and homes will be sent out to die in the next war, and when they come back they will be doing that thing the history books talk about called "genocide".
>>220568464Slavs are as always 20 years late on the rest of europe, they have no idea what they're getting into
>>220568483Yeah right
I had a Bulgarian friend telling me about this just the other day I hope things improve for your lovely people
>>220564185then again if this was the 90s some oldfag would say you kids have it easy and didn't remember the 50s when there was no food at all and you had to read Lenin's writings in school
>>220559506Property prices have increased less than incomes over the last 20 years.
>>220568483Ive seen niggers in albania. You have no idea
>>220568646He'd be right, the 50s here were even worse and while there wasn't mass starvation, people did go hungry. Even my communism loving grandparents admit the 50s were crap
>>220568646Reality: Most people got their apartments in the 50s and no one had to read LeninThe older generation profited immensely from the economic downturn of the 90s. My grandfather bought 4 apartments because of that. Nobody really has any idea how anything works. Inflation and deflation of assets are all part and parcel and will continue until the banks own basically all the property and rent it out to the propes at exhorbant rates.
>>220568678>Ive seen albanians in albania. You have no ideaHoly fucking shit... I'm literally trembling right now...
>>220568147You said today that france is niggerhell but youre not going back to russia Does that mean russia is worse then niggerhell?
>>220568802If New York is any example, having money is better than living in a poor ethnostate. If you have money you can just self segregate and be free of nigger hell. The rest just live in new Jersey suburbs
>>220568802Russia is much better. Its litteraly better than most of west and is like japan without cucked Nafo occupation
>>220568802i don't give a shit about russia my man i just hate niggers and they're coming right your wayyou do you
>>220568896Then just fuck off, just like that, just do it. Literally fuck off back home and earn your 200 eur a month there. Why wont you go back to russiastan?
>>220568966A man can travel.Also average wage in Russia is line 2500 euros at least and even SMO foot soldier make 4000 on average. Work 5 years you can own house. Meanwhile in west? They cant even heat up a house let alone buy one.
>>220568954They have some time, about 20 years. The elite in Poland can enjoy the newfound liberalization of Polish women and can enjoy the guilt free sex they want while the women don't have any children and leave the young incel masse in the dust.It's gonna be a wild ride.
>>220568678you seen the video of Latvian border guards breaking the legs of a Pajeet who tried to illegally enter from Belarus? classic.
>>220569001Kek> As of early 2026, the estimated median monthly salary in Russia is approximately 40,000 to 77,200 RUB before tax(roughly $410–$800 USD)Just fuck off back then? You said youre working for a dacha, now you change versions. Very muslim of you.
>>220568678>Ive seen niggers in albaniaThat's just Albanians though.
>>220568954Then you hate russians
>>220569052Average is 200 000 ruble you are just lying pshek
Politicians really go around complaining how people are not having enough kids and at the same time do nothing to create better conditions for starting a family
>>220561270Its called consolidation of capital and Marx warned us about it nearly two centuries ago
>>220569102I literally googled it and it have me a russian source lmao CopeNow answer me why wont you fuck off back home
>>220569219No it does not youre just making shit up. Youre not even pshek you are probably xoxol which is why you cant comprehend travelling for fun.
>>220565902Why do you Amerimutts always have this level of grandiosity whenever you talk lol, the reality is that there is a 95% chance both of you descend from peasantry
>>220569368Youre posting from france for well over a year now toilet licker
>>220569419You are posting from poland not oinkraine. Why you escape your nazi shi hole?
>>220563729I will have to live my dream in Finland.
>>220569419>>220569450>Greatest Ukrainian patriot (escaped to Warsaw)>Greatest Russian patriot (escaped to Paris)The intellectual duel of the century.
Welcome to the Eurozone, faggot!! ;^)This was extremely predictable, it has happened literally to anyone who's joined the euro.Here in Spain we got 60% inflation the exact year that we joined and housing became a luxury a short few years after that.Any Eastern European country that joins the euro will suffer the exact same fate. You have absolutely no idea how good you've had it until now. Homeownership rates are going to collapse.You're gonna be rich on paper (muh GDP) but NEVER in practice. You VILL own nothing!Anyone that had a brain bought as much real estate as possible before the switch. In a few years it'll be 5x the price minimum.Now you understand why so many people in Southern Europe utterly hate the EU with a passion.
>>220569386Most Western Europeans descend from the nobility and most of their peasants are nobles that lost their lands.
>>220569627delusion
>>220569450Im polish lmao, everyone hates ruspoops here, now answer me.
>>220569693You are a pole and a slav(e), I don't expect you to have any knowledge of the historical development of Europe. Tracing your lineage back to nobility is no big feat.
>>220569087>>220568802Why are you so obsessed with Russians kek?You're talking to two different french flags btw
>>220569936I am a pale anjel sadly, I wish I was dark.
>>220569990Stfu jeetshit
>>220569869When people in Europe say somebody descend from nobility they usually mean you're a legitimate heir, not that one of your ancestors was impregnated 300 years ago and that you're a bastard. In 18th century France only 0.5-1% of people were part of the nobility, it's pretty much impossible that the majority of Europeans would be legitimate descendants of a noble house lol. You're an amerimutt so I'm not even gonna bother explain stuff to you
Niggas who the FUCK cares what we descent from we are all FUCKING POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR. Nobody here is nobility.
>>220570111Except that is not what I am talking about retard, the nobility in Europe married into the commoners or lost their land. virtually everyone alive in Europe shares a common ancestor. Mathematically speaking every European shares a common ancestor from the continent from 1000 years ago.It's why Europeans behave like humans and everyone else behaves like Barbarian savages, slavs and T*rks included.>>220570061I am BLACK.
>>220569540Thing is there was no referendum, no vote, no nothing. They just decided to adopt it formally and thats it. People went on protests and shit, literally nobody want it. Muh democratic EU did jack shit ofc, even tho all they preach is democracy and what not lmao.
>>220570294I explained to you what Europeans mean when they say somebody descends from nobility, it's not my fault you can't understand it
>>220570604I am not talking about Europeans mean. I don't care what they say. Majority of French can trace their ancestry to Charlemagne. It's baisc math my slav(e) friend.
>>220570439Doesn't matter. Even if there had been a vote, they'd just have repeated it over and over until they got the result they wanted, or do it against the people's wishes.
>>220559506A great nation, that Bulgaria
You do realize that the reason everyone descends from some kind of nobility is because richfags throughout the entirety of history used to rail dozens of their subjects and servants and slaves etc and have bastard children all the time? You're more likely to be a descendant of nobility than not. It's not something to brag about
>>220564617>>220564280Shut up firstoid whinner
>>220571060You do realize illiterate Slavshits are repeating what I say >>220569627>>220569869Now unlike you slav(e)s I actually belong to the ruling race of the Balkans. Make of that what you will.
>>220571060>You do realize that the reason everyone descends from some kind of nobilityThat's not true
>>220571011Yeah I guess you have a point.Sad thing is that this shit didn't wake enough people and they still don't see the EU's hypocrisy and how we're getting fucked over. As I said people seem content to be fucked in the ass lol
>>220571438The people who bought an apartment 10 years ago in a major city or inherited will be fine.It's the rest who will suffer. Tell me the economic status of a bumgarian and I can guess very easily what their political views are.
>>2205614721st world problems without the first world
>>220563729Whats capital gains like in Hungary ?
>>220571513We actually own 3 apartments, 2 of them on the Black Sea coast in major resort city but that doesn't mean shit like this right and it isn't completely fucked, its straight up fraud and extorsion.Most people here don't have much of a political opinion except "Russia good, West bad" or vice versa, has nothing to do with economic status.
>>220571986The wealthy can do what they want. You are their property.>has nothing to do with economic status.I have spoken to factory workers and other people with dead end jobs in their 20s. no girlfriend, no house nothing. They would not hesitate to throw a bomb at any resort town or mall.
>>220571011And thats why sweden uses the euro
The price is the price. You must allow the prices to move, otherwise you might as well not run a market economy. And we saw how well that worked out last time.
>>220573528The U.S economy was far more centralized than the Soviet one ever was. As usual speaking with memes, but with no actual knowledge of the economic structure of either USSR or USA. Just parroting what you hear.
>>220569540The lev was pegged to the euro for 30 years or some shit, retard.
>>220573563I am simply saying prices must be allowed to move, that is their whole function. The reason to have them. And it works well.
>>220573625If you adopt the foreign currency you are completely dependent on that currency. If you adopt the euro and there is a euro shortage you are screwed, or if euro are printed until they are worthless you are also screwed.With a euro peg you only have to maintain it while it is beneficial. If there is a euro shortage you still can make currency to keep you economy going; if the peg gets too expensive to maintain it can be removed. That is no longer the case and now the Bulgarian money supply is completely dependent on the monetary policy of Brussels.>>220573653The function of prices is to inflate and deflate and to rob people continuously.
