What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-english piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious: >>220519344
>>220639145Hehe funny OP pic Serbo bro <3
Reminiscing on earlier times...https://youtu.be/aCVsgvu8bFY
Bros I think I've finally ascended from A2 hell Wagmi
>>220639579Today I said leafs instead of leaves as a native speaker bro its all good.
I can't believe Jordie died of ligma
>> 220639351He's on to us. Quick! Everybody pretend to know your target language!
>>220639579Should be "why _do_ I make such mistakes?" and "those kinds [adjective-noun agreement] of unnatural sentences ." "I'm hating myself already" is wrong. Should be "I hate myself" and "already" makes little sense in this context. Please see me in my office after class.
for sale: language textbook, never opened
>>220639145i hope i dont end up like this
>>220640567Then do your daily studies NOW!Time is ticking...
>>220640988i am literally schizo
>>220641021>I have heightened pattern recognitionThat actually helps a lot in language learning.
>>220640069I agree with your corrections, except for>Should be "why _do_ I make such mistakes?"His version of that is fine.
>>220641075and ocd
hey uhm how do i learn a language?
>>220641097>I can't stop doing repetitive ritualsGuess what really helps you learn a language? Repetition!
>>220639579your english is perfectly comprehensible. westerners actually like listening to broken korean-english so you'll unironically get treated better at your current level of proficiency than if you were perfectly native
>>220640567It could be worse.Sometimes I envy Jordie. He still has his optimism about succeeding in a language. He hasn't ever been in the intermediate hell, wondering if he's just too retarded to succeed in a language.
>>220641163the key to superior language acquisition is having mental disorders in the right combination
>>220641121Looks like you already know two of them so just do the same thing with a new one
>>220639579the problem is that you are consuming a broad variety of english-language content with many ways of expressing the same sentiment so it's hard to separate the signal from the noise. What you need to do is turn on Irish tiktok and listen to it 15 hours a day. Your speech will be indistinguishable from a real paddy in no time
>>220641121watch 10,000 hours of ASMR with cute girls from your target language
>>220641486type shi fr cuh
You're not really fluent unless you know the word "hiccup" in your TL.
>>220641411but then it'll take me another decade for a new language. i don't think my methods were all that efficient.>>220641486i don't like asmr and i don't like girls.
>>220641974>i don't like asmr and i don't like girls.then it's doomed, you'll never learn another language
>>220642052no it can't be :c
I lost my ability to learn
>>220641974>i don't think my methods were all that efficient.I don't know what the most efficient possible method is but most people nowadays just input(read/watch/listen) with a pop-up dictionary for looking up words and mine new things they learn to anki, and use the robot for on-demand explanation of sentences and grammar they don't understand. This seems to work pretty well
>>220641715Virgin hiccup vs. chad hiccough
>>220639145Now i can properly learn french, right??
>>220643145who are you?
>>220643678What should i answer on that? Im white trash in france i assume, im not french.
>>220643759sorry, i thought you were jordie and that statement was him admitting to having purchased a vpn to pretend to be french and continue this cosmic grift.
>>220643915French Jordie (aka Punished Jordie) is real broThe three letter agency posters here will try to convince you otherwise
>>220643759why would you go to france
What are Jordie's cool and niche and neutral and global languages from the last thread? Farsi and Russian?
>>220645868Jamaican Patois
>>220645893I'm jealous. He'll be able to imitate Brushy One String
>>220645943Unironically best language to read the bible in. Very entertaining.
>>220641240that's what he was saying
>>220645968Star Wars sounds funny in Italian. Especially for Polish audience, because we had the famous cartoon "Captain Bomba", something like South Park, but in the space, and the main antagonist, the Alien Sultan, spoke always in broken Italian for some reason. But even without that context, Italian dubbing is sometimes very funny
I was thinking after I learned the kana I would do a core 5k deck while learning grammar, would it be better to download a n5 deck and learn the grammar required for n5 and then do the same with n4 and so forth?
>>220646651You should 5 mins a day duolingo Japanese and spend the rest of the day watching Anime like a trve Japanese learner
bump
>join language exchange program at school to find a chinese husband>get matched with a bunch of lovely and kind chinese women instead>they all say i'm cute and very funny>none of them have brothers for me to marry even when I win I lose
>>220649636feels bad senpai
>>220641021>>220641097Excuses..
>>220642828>Virgin hiccup vs. chad hiccoughkek
>>220650116show me proof of concept, a person with my conditions successfully learning languages
>>220641097Boy you will LOVE to ankigoon
>>220651165He actually has the capability to become the most powerful language learner alive by adding it to his ocd ritual and having a higher pattern recognition
>>220651344you are idiots it literally causes bad memory
>>220641175Im a professional researcher working with various semiconductor researchers all over the world. The biggest bottleneck turns out to be my stupid English
regret starting farsidespite the resources and content, it is fun. but i started this back in january there was a reasonable chance of the iranian regime rotting from the inside and collapsing, so i can go visit and use it. now it seems trump and netanyahu have shored it up for another 10 years. my dreams of xiaoma-shocking newly free persian qts...gone...
>>220651364I bet english isn't your native language and you were able to learn it. You are as capable as anyone else to speak 4 to 5 languages.
>>220651749i learned english before my conditions worsened
>Spent 6 hours transcribing a spanish dictionary>recited every sentence and made sure writing was legible>Came upon a sentence that wasn't a "literal translation">spent 15 mintues getting over tard rage of wasting my timeWhat's even the purpose of a fucking dictionary if you aren't doing literal translations. Am I just a brainlet? The example was "Pensaba que querìas llamar tu mujer". The translation in the dictionary was "I thought you wanted to call your wife". But I recognized there being no function of que in the sentence, So the correct translation would be "I thought that you wanted to call your wife". Do I just need to read a grammar book, or is that dictionary just low quality?
>>220650892All you need is a good ass whipping. It fixes all sort of disorders.
>>220651920que links the main and subordinate clauses in this case"pensaba querìas llamar tu mujer" sounds weird
>>220651451Keep at it. There is still the hope of scooping up le qt Persian refugee gf when all's said and done.
I'm creating my own conlang at this point
Spainbro if you are here and want to see your mirror image, there is this influencer on 小红书 called 椰椰Flora who is a vlogger and professional Spanish interpreter, making videos in Spanish/Chinese, including about her professional life.
>>220651920This is called reduced relative clauses and it is a feature of English grammar. English allows the omission of relative pronouns when when the relative subordinate clause's object is the referenced nominal group.
>>220655053So in English those two sentences are identical, with the sentence featuring the omission have a slightly more colloquial register. Spanish doesn't allow this so the omission isn't translated.On the other hand, dropping subject pronouns is way more common in Spanish for example.
>>220646651It honestly doesn't matter, what matters is starting and keeping at it.
>>220639145i havent bee on /lang/ for a while, has jordie still not picked a language?
>>220656167I am about to settle on a language to learn
>>220656254learn jordanian arabic, seems like a cool language/dialect to learn imo
>>220656275I have decided to not work on my English for 1-2 years and in that time I will learn a language.I also picked up a one year subscription on Udemy mainly to access its math courses for my uni work, and it opens to me all the language courses there stress free. I am going to see which language has the most complete set of resources and pick it. (hint: Mostly German?)
>>220656301hmm i see, well i wish you luck
>>220656352I think it's going to be German.
>>220649636go to Chengdu, they need tops
>>220655004I wish to murder all xiaohongshu laowai "influencers"
>>220656432Oh Nein Herr Jordie! The German women do NOT look like that. In Germany they are more manly and want to peg you and you keep saying nein and they keep asking
>>220651920Which dictionary btw?it sounds like you are at a more beginner level. is that right?my opinion is that it's probably better to just try reading and then have the occasional tard rage than to spend a lot of time studying the grammar, just because i spent a lot of time studying grammar in my TL and I still have tard rages over the grammar sometimes.
Do most/all european language use indirect object pronouns (or dative pronouns) to express possession?I don't think english does this. but in portuguese you can have>bati-lhe o cão>I beat [to him/to her/to it] the dog>I beat his/her/its dogin croatian>jako vam je skupa ta grdobina>So much [to you] is expensive, such monkfish>Your monkfish is so expensive
>>220656956Ok, but she is Chinese? What did you think mirror referred to in this context?
>>220656956Me with that one Australian guy who skateboards everywhere
>>220656432Gooner Jordie, I looked into it for you.Sandras last name is Šalajić. She is Croatian. If you find her hot, you should learn her real tongue instead.
I've had enough input(1000+ hours), but I can't output shit should I just start writing??
>>220663760>should I just start writingYeah but also talk to yourself in your TL
I can't use FSRS in Anki even though it's more efficient because I end up looking at my parameters constantly and convincing myself that I am stupid. Does anyone else have this issue?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1sh1wsb/were_losing_9_languages_per_year_each_one_may/
>>220663760>1000+ hours>enoughNot really. Even for Category I languages like Spanish/French, 1200+ is the minimum for any kind of real proficiency. Keep inputting.>I can't outputYou can, you're just trying to output something that's above your level. Like with input, you start with simple basic bitch sentences and work your way up. Find your current level where it flows out of you without having to think about grammar or having to construct it in your head, then develop it from there.
Some pp just born to be a polyglot. The environment forces it
If I had a genie wish, it would be to make every /lang/ poster more like Jordie
>>220667334she's a polyglot but she only had to commit with french desu
>>220667334>speaks four dialects of the same language >polyglotPick one
>>220661309my policy is total influencer death regardless
>>220656432Ok that's the 5th time you change your target language
>>220670495135th time, 5th this week though
>>220670516I'm new to this thread, how long has he been posting? Also, is it possible to filter specific flags only on specific threads (i.e. a thread with "/lang/" in the OP)? I want to ignore him because he's intensely annoying but without filtering out other Jordan anons
Quebecky died for this
>>220670739since at least 2021
>>220671272Jesus Christ
>>220670739>>220671352The legend says that he's been posting and cycling through languages since 2019, but only the loremasters can tell you with certainty.
>>220671400literally me...
>>220671636for his own good he needs to be banned
For fun I decided to check out Korean since I've hit a rut with Japanese learning. The alphabet is really easy but the pronunciations are absolutely hell. I'm going back to the kanji swamp.
why does this happen?
>>220672246Well, if you flip the coin hard enough, it will hit them square in the head and they'll curse in either Hindi or something else
>>220639145i'm learning swedish for my japanese gf
>>220672246Hindi chads remain in the call centers, while the rest seek better lives abroad o algo
>>220672829Im buying blueberries to make an apple pie ah post cuh
>>220672246I think Hindi is basically a conlang like Italian and standard German
>>220656432Ok, so we learn German now
>>220673040das ist die way mein digga
>The word for "what" has a declension-_-
Why do tugas hate Brazilian portuguese so much?
Which Scandi language is the best, and why is it Norwegian?
every single day I wake without a cute naked rice fairy in my arms is another day of my fleeting precious youth permanently and irretrievably wasted
>>220671400i like to think he's secretly a world-class gigachad hyperpolyglot
>>220676068Type shit fr cuhThis life without cute naked rice faeries is hell cuh
>In order to understand 98% of the words you come across in a book, you must know more than 20,000 words. To learn languages is to suffer.Luckily it only takes about half that amount to understand shitposts on internet forums.
>>220676144I'm just starting to learn Japan I can't even fathom being able to remember anything over 2k words. Does it become more natural over time?
>>220676144the 'just learn the first few hundred most common words to jump-start' advice is also very misleading because, if it's a difficult non-western language the basic function words have very wide complex meanings and it takes a long ass time to properly understand them
>>220676218*Learn Japanese
>>220676218After you get a feel for the kanji the vocab will start to stick easier. In the beginning I could barely do 5 words a day without feeling like I was slamming my head into the wall, but these days I can do 20 words a day easy.
Learning 600 words through rote or whatever and having 80% somewhat comprehension of Internet forum posts. Is fucking amazing. Problem is most people simply burn out after 2 months.
>>220676435did that with french, can confirm it's goated. now i brute force native content and hope to God I can pass that damned DALF.
>>220676435yep, feels good reading French tweets from Macron or Mark Carney now. they are pretty simple though. French youtube comments are actually harder to understand
>>220676218you associate each mora with vivid mental characters or other imagery which combine into different scenes for each word. You should mentally place portals to different locations on different areas of your body and place imagined imagery in those locationse.g グミ(gummies) for me is guan yu[rotk](グ) + minsc[bg2](ミ) - here associated with rageon my right hand is a portal to the sonoran desert where I envision a battle-raged guan yu slaughtering a bunch of exploding gummiespeople are reluctant to do this for some reason but it is the only way to dramatically speed up vocabulary memorization plus it makes the process massively more fun less difficult and less dry. and its super well suited to japanese which has a relatively small consistent sound inventory and doesn't have oppressive stem morphology like korean does
>>220641428>becomes a retarded alcoholic in your path, incomprehensible to even most native speakers
>>220675193Because it's differenthttps://youtu.be/Y7W0lKXZX-M?t=26
>>220639741This, everybody fumbles their words or uses a malformed sentence structure that solicits only a "huh?" from whoever they inflict it on, all in their native language. I know that guy does it in korean too but he dgaf meanwhile hes got language learning psychosis in addition to chatgpt psychosis
>>220651382In writing, or in speaking? I think a lot of times math/scientific thinkers (such as myself, fedora tip) struggle with languages. You probably think of things systematically, never memorized formulas for physics class or anything, just understood the principles and were able to work from there. In languages there are no principles, it's all some completely made up shit built up piecewise over thousands of years and iterated into its current state primarily by low iq normalfags. Even where there is logic you can grasp onto, there's so many exceptions that following the logic cleanly also makes you sound retarded. Anyway just sympathizing, I have no advice, see you in 10 years when I still suck at my TL for the same reason as you.
>>220663760personally, with everything, i have to practice first-hand to learn it. i can watch somebody do it, i can read a book, i can have it explained to me, still i will not understand shit until i get some practice in myself. i think the retarded esls who shamelessly post their extremely bad english and then get viciously corrected by their audience are actually onto something. if you are the same as me, just start outputting. 4chan is a great place to retard post so have at it. with 1k hours input and presumably Some studying you should be able to string together sentences that are comprehensible enough even if they contain major grammar errors and you occasionally fumble vocabulary
>>220676822>learn basic core vocab by grinding>then switch to native level input maxxingpeak strategy (it feels great but doesnt work)
>>220673040everybody does
where's the fucking challenge, bitch?
Bunp
>>220670739as far as I know you can't, you can only combine different filters togetheryou can just filter Jordan, the only frequent jordanian posters on /int/ are him and another schizo called ryan
Saying Im learning Japanese is cringe.
someone recommended I use vr chat for speaking practice but I just don't get how to use it and also i cringe talking to people there
>>220682219Normalfags assume you can read everything and know everything about a language if you say you're learning a language so I have not told a single soul
what is the consensus on bluey for input
>>220682219Yeah, because it is. Why would you want to learn it?Because you're either a yellow fever fag or because you're a man child who is really into anime or cartoon children.All the normies who were learning it because of the economy and technology are geriatric now. No young normies are learning it, they're learning Chinese. It's only cringe weirdos left.
>>220683186Bluey is fun, but for me, it's lazytown
>>220677548What doesn't work? I've just finished reading La gloire de mon père using only the pop-up FR-FR dictionary on my Kindle. My output capability leaves a lot to be desired but I'm going through an advanced grammar book and ça passe crème pour le moment.
>>220663145I'd tongue her fanny real good
>>220677548Only doesn't work for midwits
>>220684625Type shi fr cuh
>>220655004>Spainbro if you are hereHey maybe you are referring to me. I'm the Spaniard that posts about Chinese qts in HelloTalk and about being jobless and clueless about my future. Thanks for the headsup, I will take a peek. Always curious to learn about professional translators.Back in the day I considered doing a Masters in Interpretation in Korea, but I heard it's tough as fuck and from the people I've met that did it it seems pretty obvious that only Koreans get interpreting work afterwards. I doubt I can do it with Chinese now that I'm 30 and struggling with DuChinese HSK3 though.
redpill me on algit is snake oil? why do they hate anki?
>>220686999lazychad inefficient learning method for unemployed anons, but probably works as long as its CI all the time
