How are the fatimids viewed in North Africa?
Do you want a meme answer or serious one
>>220681231Both obviously
>>220681085For normies in tunisia they are viewed as the creators of El-Mansuriya and mahdia.For history knowledged people in north africa, they were the reason for the infestation of north africa with unruly uncivilized locust bedouins who knew nothing but raiding thus forever dooming north africa setting it back hundreds of years
>>220682698More like for midwits, knowledgeable people know it's actually no ones fault really (yaqub al mansur says he regrets settling them but still) and the population of the region had one of it's worst crashes probably and qarmatians proved their worth enough for saadis for example to use them as an organized corps of cavalryThat being said banu hilal and the other post andalus waves of arabs are a scapegoat for berberists because even them admit that the numbers were very minimal according to contemporary historical sources and they werent any more or less savage than the locals
>>220682820Literally go kill yourself NOW nigger idiot>It is noteworthy how civilization always collapsed in places the Arabs took over and conquered, and how such settlements were depopulated and the (very) earth there turned into something that was no (longer) earth. The Yemen where (the Arabs) live is in ruins, except for a few cities. Persian civilization in the Arab 'Iraq is likewise completely ruined. The same applies to contemporary Syria. When the Banu Hilal and the Banu Sulaym pushed through (from their homeland) to Ifriqiyah and the Maghreb in (the beginning of) the fifth [eleventh] century and struggled there for three hundred and fifty years, they attached themselves to (the country), and the flat territory in (the Maghreb) was completely ruined. Formerly, the whole region between the Sudan and the Mediterranean had been settled. This (fact) is attested by the relics of civilization there, such as monuments, architectural sculpture, and the visible remains of villages and hamlets.>The Arab bedouins dominate only of the plains, because they are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, and do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense. So when they encounter any difficulty or obstacle, they leave it alone and look for easier prey. And tribes well-fortified against them on the slopes of the hills escape their corruption and destruction, because they prefer not to climb hills, nor expend effort, nor take risks
>>220683078Ibn khaldun is a mentally ill schizo you could open wherever you took this quote in the مقدمة, turn the page left or right and find him calling them a Type III atlantis like civilization
>>220683144holy shit why haven't you killed yourself yet nigger ?We should really believe a moroccan literal nigger idiot over the most distinguished mena historiographer and one of the best in history.Here is a modern archaeologist and anthropologist too for you faggot>The Arab is the degenerate offspring of a race which only from its history and past records can claim any title to respect. Cringing, venal, avaricious, dishonest, the Arab combines all the faults of a vicious nature with those which a degraded religion inculcates or encourages. The Berber, on the other hand, is straightforward, honest, by no means averse to money-making, but not unscrupulous in the methods which he employs to this end, intelligent in a degree to which the ordinary Arab never approaches, and trustworthy as no Arab can be.”
>>220683296Modern revisionist opinions dont matter when contemporary sources say the locals and banu hilal werent different and that banu hilal coming was circumstancial rather than an invasion or the simple narrative that fatimids took them from x to y point
>>220683493so far i have posted two sources, so far you have spouted nothing but gibberish and tried to diminish ibn khaldun, lmaoing at you nigger
I love reading regional banter I know absolutely nothing about. This is peak /int/.
>>220683626you laugh, but this exchange has already resulted in two car bombings and one acid attack
>>220683580You're too upset and angry for me to entertain a civilized discussion so until you calm down i'll continue giving you the appropriate treatment and not rebute any of your claims which i could easily do and destroy your entire worldview in the process, but that wont be until you recollect your thoughts and apologize for your neurotic attack of vitriol.
>>220683626>banteri'm posting historical reports, can't say the same about the moroccan macaque>>220683734>bla bla bla i'm stupid bla bla bla big word to appear smart bla blapost a camera infront of you so we can see it when you kys
>>220682698i fucking hate beduins so much it's fucking unreal
>>220683078>>220683296keki love nafri shit flinging man i miss having my nafri flag sometimes
>>220683931are you the libyan ?
>>220681085seljuk empire BTFO'd these niggasalso i've seen something about the campaign in which the anatolia was conquered was actually planned for egypt but they changed the target mid way to intercept incoming byzantine army towards them
>>220681085>How are the fatimids viewed in North Africa?Ehhh.. a lil' bit fat, a lil' bit mid
