What are your thoughts on the Hebrew language? Would you learn it?
It sounds pretty horrible spoken so no
>>220707095השפה האהובה עלי
>>220707110It doesn't sound like that
>>220707095It kinda sounds like Arabic, but it's way less relevant. I don’t really get why anyone who’s not Israeli or Jewish would bother learning it. The alphabet is so different that cyrillic doesn’t even feel that foreign by comparison
If I wanted to become a trve esoteric master, I'd have to at some point. where it stands, I can read a couple of the letters
>>220707095rightmost glyph looks like the cyrillic ш and it sounds the same (š), really makes you think
Looks cool, wish I spent my autism learning Yiddish and Hebrew instead of spending like 8000 hours on Valve games
>>220707285russian Шand hebrewשshare the same origin along with most greek/latin letters. they all come from the same script that was common in israel/egypt ~3500 years ago
>>220707095Weird how there is no evidence of Hebrew in antiquity outside of the bible not even a cookbook or tax papers nothing...
Yiddish is more soulful
>>220708310this but jews pretend it's the other way around
>>220707095I only know how to read Yiddish with it
>>220707095https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hks_nE0bTI
I think hebrew is interesting but I'd never learn itIf I were Christian/Jewish I probably would but it'd only be a priority if I were Jewish because there's a ton of rabbinical literature in Hebrew/Aramaic
>>220708457How do you know to read Yiddish?
>>220707095i know the letters and their various correspondences, not language
>>220707095It sounds gross and looks retarded when written, so no.If I wanted to learn a gross sounding language I'd learn Vietnamese
>>220708295The great fire of the Jewish library of languages destroyed them all, I am being serious
>>220707095I'm too dumb to learn other alphabetsBesides I don't want to talk with jews
>>220711782What's this?
>>220712789Codesh programmingbasically 'classical/poetic' hebrew java
>>220712841Can you code in Hebrew like someone can with Python, C++ and the like?
>>220712944no just this thing that compiles into java, no one made a c/python version as far as i know
It sounds like shit and the only literature is the old testament, which is extremely overrated.
>>220707401Yiddish has nothing to do with Hebrew, it's literally a German dialect
>>220708295I can intellectually understand anti-Semitism, but denying the existence of Hebrew entirely is beyond me. It's literally one of the most studied and obsessed over languages in western history, biblical scholars have been pouring over it since the Middle Ages
>>220707285When they made the cyrillic alphabet they incorporated letters from the hebraic alphabet. It directly comes from it
>>220713318It has cool songs tho.
Larp; the language
>>220707095The script looks cool I guess but it DO sound horrible.I'd place Georgian higher in the Useless languages tier.
>>220707095Too larpy. They should've just stuck with Yiddish.
>>220713614>>220713740Why do you think Hebrew is a larp? It wasn't spoken for a long time, but the language as a written form always existed.
>>220707095Incredible language, you get high intelligibility of Phoenician and Biblical Hebrew with it. Also sounds beautiful. Some non-arabized Aramaic dialects sound similar too. I'm barely A2 and can read parts of the OT, working on my Greek to also be able to follow along the NT.Probably my fav of the semitics, followed by Aramaic and Coptic.
>>220713333No it isn't LOL, the first evidence of Hebrew is 600 BCE stop talking about which you don't know
>>220707229>It kinda sounds like Arabic, but it's way less relevantNah, it thankfully doesn't sound like sandbarking. Aramaic is much closer, maybe some Shami too.>I don’t really get why anyone who’s not Israeli or Jewish would bother learning itPlenty of Christians study it. In my parents' house there are two intertextual Bibles (eng-greek-hebrew). It's also a beautiful lang.I myself have been studying it and considered signing up to an ulpan or doing a 2-3 mo trip to Israel.
>>220708295Islam truly is pure mental illness.>>220716703More like 1000 BC, arabic (a non-existent language but rather a family of languages) is an infant in comparison.
>>220716838Kek retard, the yids will claim any Canaanite scribbles as Hebrew, i will repeat there is ZERO extra-biblical sources of Hebrew in antiquity
>>220714195Bueno, de hecho se seguía hablando. Era en gran parte el idioma en que las comunidades judías se comunicaban entre ellas, no sólo en lo escrito sino a la hora de debatir, conversar, etc. y más allá de únicamente temas religiosos.Algo así como una Lingua Franca aunque no exactamente.A veces, con raíz en el odio y querer forjar una narrativa de "polacos inventándose una lengua", la gente acaba intentando imaginarse un mundo en que sólo un par de viejos barbudos escribían alguna que otra carta en hebreo y hasta llegó su uso.
>>220716983>schizophrenic muzzieGood of you to follow the sunnah of your false prophet (mental illness, rewriting of history, compulsive lying)
>>220717035What do you think about Ladino?
>>220717185Ni idea, la verdad es que nunca le he echao un ojo
>>220717061Christ is king retard
>>220717185Lmao es como oír a un borracho:https://youtu.be/xMaydZp_J30Encontré un vídeo en wikitongues
>>220717297Christ is God, the Divine Son.
>>220717376Why do you care about what Pharisees have to write about God retard I bet you're some evangelical sudaca
>>220717515Evangelicals don't care about learning Hebrew at all. He's Catholic.
>>220717606Evangelicals will thank jews for spitting at them
>>220716983You can repeat it, but it doesn't make it true. Just means you're a repeat offender who's allergic to evidence.Hebrew is a Northwest Semitic language (Canaanite family), but claiming it has no extra-biblical evidence is objectively false. Here are the receipts you’re ignoring:>Tel Dan Stele (9th century BCE): Arameans bragging about fighting the "House of David" (BYTDWD) and the "King of Israel.">Mesha Stele (9th century BCE): Mentions "Omri, King of Israel" and "Yahweh" by name.>Siloam Inscription (8th century BCE): Pure classical Hebrew found in an engineering tunnel in Jerusalem. It’s not "Canaanite scribbles". It’s a Judean government project.>Lachish Letters (6th century BCE): Actual military dispatches from the Babylonian siege written in Hebrew.>Ketef Hinnom Scrolls (7th century BCE): Silver scrolls containing the Priestly Blessing from the Torah, found in a tomb in Jerusalem.The "it's all just Canaanite" argument is like saying English doesn't exist because we use the Latin alphabet. You're confusing script with language because you've never looked at a primary source in your life.
>>220718037It's all just Canaanite and no it's not like saying that
>>220717515Kek, knew you were the muzzie. Ummah Status: completely buckbroken.>diaspoo-rats: secularized and degens >muzzies in muzz shitholes: secularizing and degens >Al Andalus: reclaimed by us>Sham: partially taken back, which will get even more exaggerated as muzz apostasy continues>Christendom: once more aware islam is the greatest threat to humanity and straight out of hellYou inbreds get to at least watch the abomination you call islam die in real time.
>>220718107Islam is Jewish gnosticism for gentiles Muhammed was a pedo
>>220718089Well, you've asserted it, so it must be true! I already dropped the primary sources (Tel Dan, Mesha, Siloam, Lachish, Ketef Hinnom) for anyone actually interested to see you're a drooling retard with nothing of value to say. Feel free to address any of them.
>>220717515>>220716838>speaks the language of his inbred sandnigger rapist enslaving conquerors>adopted their satanic cult>fully adopted their inbred retard mindset>probably doesn't know a single word of his ancestral language except for maybe "Azul">larps as Kabyle but is actually a mixed mutt of arab+berber+nigger origins>his shithole is so bad he went to infest a non-muslim countryI'd call you the laughing stock of humanity but islam makes you non-human
>>220718175You know they're so disingenuous when they claim >priestly blessings from the Torah is non biblical come on yid
>>220718175None of those are the oldest. Mt Ebal tablet is from the 15th century BC for example.
>>220718171>thinks I'll believe a mudslime, the spawns of the false prophet who lied constantly, made lying a holy thing, and could most probably be understood as the High Priest of Baal/HuBal - second greatest rival aside from Chemosh.
>>220718232Are you actually retarded? As in, do you have a legal guardian?Extra-biblical means real archaeological artifacts, not Bible pages, retard. These tiny silver amulets from a Jerusalem tomb (late 7th/early 6th BCE) contain the exact Priestly Blessing from Numbers 6:24-26 word-for-word in Paleo-Hebrew. They prove the text existed in written Hebrew centuries before the exile.
>>220718364>Are you actually retarded?Refer to: >>220716838That's an algerian muzzie in Straya
>>220718247That one's a bit more controversial. I preferred restricting myself to stuff that's solid, indisputable. The ones I listed (Tel Dan, Mesha, Siloam, Lachish, Ketef Hinnom) are rock-solid Iron Age Hebrew from actual kingdoms of Israel/Judah. No serious debate on those being real Paleo-Hebrew inscriptions.
I'm just gonna say it.......Spoken Hebrew doesn't sound bad. Quite fine, in fact
>>220718454I'm only familiar with the first two though I think they're not in Hebrew.**Though I concur with the wider point of Hebrew dating from around then or earlier. For example, you have the Gezer calendar.**To be fair, I am aware some linguists do favor the idea of treating the Canaanite languages as dialects of a Canaanite language, hence the distinction between Ancient Hebrew vs Phoenician vs Moabite being an ultimately trivial one.
>>220711727it's just funny german
>>220719450Do you know that because you speak German?
>>220718454If you know Modern Hebrew, can you read Paleo Hebrew as well?
Hebrew's biggest issue was how much it pandered to Ashkenazim There is zero reason for עליו to be pronounced alav instead of aleo
>>220723250What do you mean?
>>220723177No, the "square" script we use is too different.
>>220720463no but there's a lo of cultural german exposure here
>>220723559In some traditions (e.g., Yemenite), the word עליו (upon him) is pronounced as something like Alau, unlike the Modern Hebrew pronunciation (Alav). The revivers of Modern Hebrew were Ashkenazim, but I wouldn't call it pandering to Ashkenazim since that shift also happened in Sephardic traditions. See, for example, how the Yemenite cantor pronounces עליו, from Genesis 18:וַיִּשָּׂא עֵינָיו וַיַּרְא וְהִנֵּה שְׁלֹשָׁה אֲנָשִׁים נִצָּבִים עָלָיו https://youtu.be/XpjyJPEvTK8?t=25
>>220717185>>220717279Mi papá hablaba Judeoespañol en la casa cuando vivían en Turkia antes de hacer Aliyah a Israel. También hay un canal de comida Sefaradi en “Ladino”https://youtu.be/8yQk44QkRYc
>>220724199Genial, tu puedes hablar ladino? Ustedes escriben el ladino en el alfabeto latino o el hebreo?>>220724124So Modern Hebrew has accents or mass media and education has produced an unified language, both in script and speech too?
>>220707095minecraft enchantment table language
>>220725526>So Modern Hebrew has accents or mass media and education has produced an unified language, both in script and speech too?Accents are really only a thing among the elderly. Young native-born speakers all sound the same. But traditional accents are retained in Torah reading (as the example of the Yemenite cantor illustrates).
>>220726245How would you feel if modern Hebrew tried to adopt the Sephardic pronunciation as a middle ground between Mizrahi and current Ashkenazi-dominant Israeli Hebrew? It sounds "softer" than the Mizrahi register and should be easier to adapt to as a modern speaker, but it's still phonologically accurate and pronounces ע ח correctly and differentiates between ק כ etc.Vidrel is a nice example i found a while ago. Please tell me if this is how Sephardic usually sounds https://youtu.be/-jB7JLNqTF8
>>220707120השניה יותר כוסית
>>220726245Also i was checking out mizrahi recitations of the Shema and found this Iraqi gentleman. He pronounces all the consonants properly but for some reason pronounces the ע of שמע in שמע ישראל as a vowel /ɑ/ instead of a Semitic /ʕ/. Why is this? Was it always supposed to be pronounced like an א? Why write it with a ayin then?https://youtu.be/ulEoW5eCNOU
>>220725526Había periódicos en Ladino en la diáspora, casi todos usaban el alfabeto hebreo creo. Todos los puros viejos Sefaradis que conocí dijeron que era para que los Turkos no le espiarían jajaja.Ladino es solo español antiguo del siglo 15 con algunas palabras en hebreo, griego, o francés. No es como un dialecto muy especial. Yo aprendí español más porque diy mitad latino, pero cuando estaba allá con mi papá, hablo con mi profesora de español sobre palabras más antiguas que usaban los Judíos. Forqueta en vez de tenedor por ejemplo
>>220707095kinda Jewish tbd
>>220727632Eres mitad latino? Argentina? Tienes un español bastante bueno, donde lo aprendiste?Forqueta tiene sentido. Me suena al "fork" que usas en ingles.Yo quiero aprender hebreo. Tienes consejos para aprender hebreo?
>>220727208It's definitely supposed to be an ayin. I think it just sounds different because of the way it's chanted, to wit, the note is stretched out. In the Torah scroll, the ayin in שמע is even written in an extra-large font specifically to make sure it's not mistaken for an aleph [picrel].>>220727026>How would you feel if modern Hebrew tried to adopt the Sephardic pronunciation as a middle ground between Mizrahi and current Ashkenazi-dominant Israeli Hebrew? It sounds "softer" than the Mizrahi register and should be easier to adapt to as a modern speaker, but it's still phonologically accurate and pronounces ע ח correctly and differentiates between ק כ etc.>Vidrel is a nice example i found a while ago. Please tell me if this is how Sephardic usually sounds https://youtu.be/-jB7JLNqTF8 [Embed]Sounds like standard Sephardic pronunciation, yes. Though most people only really put in the effort when reading from the Torah. Your proposal is a nice idea, but it sounds like a pipe dream. I'm afraid millions of Israelis have already settled on the current accent for practical reasons and won't ever budge.
>>220707095it was dead then they copied arabic to revive it
>>220707095>Would you learn ittachles
>>220718203Pablo you're too upset and vitriolic you'll never convert anyone like this, judas is frowning on you
>>220707095It would be a lot easier to read/write if most Hebrew actually contained the vowel markers. I always feel dyslexic trying to figure out the pronunciation of vowels without the markers.
>>220729153If Israeli can do it, so can you. I guess that's the reasoning anyway, to learn the language up to a level you don't need them, like training wheels.
>>220707095I disliked the harsh throat sounds in Hebrew at first, but over time, with a lot of exposure, I came to enjoy it as an accentuating inflection point in a sentence. When pronounced by a feminine Slav, the "harsh" parts of Hebrew almost vibrate, like a cat purring. https://youtu.be/LtY23Aq1mTII've been trying to familiarize myself with exposure to Chinese in the same way; but i've been failing so far. It still sounds like alleycats fighting. Opera is an exaggeration, but I chose it just to get the point across clearly. https://youtu.be/TDD3AnPmU7o
what a bunch of weebs
>>220729851Probably just a coincidence.
>>220728822What does that mean
>>220727919Ecuador, vivi allá 8 años entonces lo único que hice fue irme a una escuela cuando era jovenLa mejor manera de aprender hebreo es estar en Israel y tener amigos que no hablar tu idioma, pero porque no vives aquí, creo que lo mejor que puedas hacer es comenzar a aprender palabras, el alfabeto. Hay muchos Israelis que vienen a Peru de vacaciones después del ejército entonces puedes irte a sus eventos en Beit Chabad o encontrarlos en lugares turísticos. También puedes aprender bíblia en Hebreo para motivación pero no es el mismo hebreo de hoy
>>220707095It gave me the ugliest accent ever when speaking English
>>220732647just found thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3qV-_Ba4PUpretty interesting
>>220714195long time how? like before 3700 years ago?
>>220707095Star Wars letters
>>220733277Star Wars?
>>220732790I mean, the language stopped being spoken in daily use, but it survived in liturgical use, and even more in an written form up to the 19th century.
>>2207360203700 years ago it wasnt stopped it was only forming back then from others, it never stopped since being formed
Amharic is the best semitic language, I probably would learn hebrew first though so I can go israel and be a schizoprophet
>>220736054I was talking since the 1st century AD, not since Hebrew existed as language.
>>220736298we didnt stop speaking in any century that would be silly
>>220713318Yeah, this. Ashkenazis still try to push it as some "holy" language though. Completely false obviously.
>>220736054By this logic latin also never stopped being spoken or byzantine greek
>>220736352As a daily language, yes, as a liturgial language, of course not.
>>220732647Nunca he ido a Ecuador, aunque es un pais vecino de Peru. Espero poder visitar algun dia.Nunca he visto israelis en el Peru, aunque se que vienen. Intente ir a Beit Chabad, pero si no eres de la comunidad no te dejan entrar. Asi que no se como podria ir a sus eventos.El alfabeto si estoy aprendiendo, aunque me gustaria un profesor.Hay sitios en donde hablar con israelis ademas de este sitio?
Modern Hebrew is a 19th century construct created by Zionist leaders, as best as we know the language spoken in Iron Age Palestine was a dialect of Phoenician.
>>220734409That alien star wars writing in movies.Kinda has the same vibes, maybe abit like Katakana too.
>>220739619So it's a real alphabet that you can write things with? Was it ever outside the movies?
>>220740150Probably in all the star wars IPs like games and shows and fan stuff.
>>220707095I might learn some Biblical Hebrew someday in addition to Biblical Greek and Ecclesiastical Latin but there is not much of a reason to learn modern Hebrew, modern Greek or any modern Romance language for me. Reconstructed Aramaic is also of interest but it's not like Jesus had a blog
>>220707095>larp language created by European Jews in Paris in the 1800s to try and legitimize their ethnostateno thanks. It would immediately propel me into the upper echelons of US society, but my morals (autism) make me reject and defy the thought.
>>220740323I didn't know Star Wars was still popular. I thought it was done with first 3 movies. The 2010s Disney sequels never had much interest me to.
