Why mughals failed in converting India to islam?
>>220741704imagine your name was mughal lmao gayass vibes
>>220741704the hindus converts = they are no longer dhimmi = they no longer pay a lot of taxes = the mughal state collapsesame reason the ummayad/abbasid/fatimids were happy ruling over a majority of non-muslims>>220741748mughal = mongol. just a deformation of the word.
>>220741704why did the indus valley, kashmir and the bengal delta convert but others part didn't? why was india so much more resistant to conversion than anatolia, the iranian plateau or indonesia? >>220741767but that didn't stop people from converting in anatolia, iran or north africa?
>>220741812pic related, it too centuries to convert those regionsthe religion in half of morocco was a strange one until the mid-11th, with it's own prophet, new rules etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barghawata#Religion
they resisted the spiritual rot of islam
>>220741767>the hindus converts = they are no longer dhimmi = they no longer pay a lot of taxes = the mughal state collapseWhy they didn't just kept taxing muslims alltogether?It seems the jyzia wasn't that bad in most places.Or else, why hindus didn't converted to pay less taxes?
>>220741704Indians probably knew of the zutt meme, and as a result couldn't take the muslims seriously.
>>220742146Zutt stuff is just a meme.
>>220742220only muslims say this and its because they are allowed to lie for islam
>>220741704Didn't want to. Indians who converted to Islam couldn't be kept as slaves nor could a jizya tax be collected from them. Muslim converts were treated as barely human by the Mughal rulers and forbidden to enter government buildings and palaces, which even high caste Hindus could enter.
>>220741704they kind of did. there's about 250 million people in Pakistan, 175 million in Bangladesh, and another 200 million Indian Muslims as well. There is nearly as many Muslims as there are Hindus on the Indian Subcontinent.
>>220742262You can check it yourselfNot everything you see on 4chan is real>because they are allowed to lie for islamOnly if they're facing death
>>220741704astaghfirullah, bharat will fall, wallah
>>220742073>Or else, why hindus didn't converted to pay less taxes?paying jizya makes you exempt from conscription
>>220742419Damn looks like a nice deal then>>220742286>forbidden to enter government buildings and palaces, which even high caste Hindus could enter.Isn't that haram o algo asi?
>>220742286I feel like this is some weird fanfic you just made up on spot because the entire premise doesn't make sense. Taxes matter less than have loyal soldiers and citizens and assimilating them.
>>220741704India is home to 2nd largest muslim population>>220741767Mughals called themselves gurkhani
>>220741926okay but muslims first entered the subcontinent in the 8th century and gangetic plains came under widespread muslim rule in the 12th century yet mass conversion to islam didn't happen even after 500+ years of muslim rule
>>220741812Because we were a small and relatively isolated valley lying on the silk route, with a strong sufi-saint/missionary network (bulbul shah, mir ali hamdani, nund rishi, etc) flowing from central asia, persia, and east turkestan, that later established a syncretic form of sufism, easing the adoption by trika shavities. The patronage was first given to islam, early, under our buddhist king Rinchin after his convertion under the influence of bulbul shah (an uyghur missionary from turkestan), and supported by a section of the local landed chief-tans that had became disillusioned with the late lohana dynasty (shavite), under whom the people had seen a severe famine, civil war and political collapse.We were also strongly connected to the larger intellectual and cultural hub of persia and central asia where poetry, writing and art flew from, and they established persian and kashmiri as court languages.Some sections of the elite (brahmins) first converted for administrative and social mobility, while some locals also found an escape from social hierarchies (now they had a different stratification).
>>220742073>seems the jyzia wasn't that bad in most places.>Or else, why hindus didn't converted to pay less taxes?are you retarded or just a lying muslim apologistnon muslims pay both secular tax like karaj and jyzia and fund their own religious activities out of their pocket.pilgrimage tax also get imposed on hindus for visiting their holy sites.zakat paid by muslims meant to exclusively fund islamic activities like funding their madrasas etc mughul taxation was horrible it's 50 percent of produce
>>220741704islam is the fastest growing religion in the subcontinent thougheverbeit
>>220741704MoghalsMughal is an American attempt to disconnect them from their Mongol origins. Or they might have been constantly confused by the similarity and changed it.
>>220744277>established a syncretic form of sufismsyncretic in what way?>brahminsdo people in the valley still consider the pandit brahmins that fled to be real kashmiris?>some locals also found an escape from social hierarchies (now they had a different stratification).does caste still exist in kashmir? the information on whether caste exists in pakistan and bangladesh is confusing
Indian IQ is too high. We are at 90 IQ but Arabs are at 75 (Pakistan 60)
>>220741704I don't think muslims particularly tried to convert anyone.
>>220741704they will eventually because all brown people end up doing it
>>220741704Why DID THE Mughals fail in converting India to Islam
They also fail in 2026 to build basic sanitation and an economy not based on scamsJust incompetence
>>220741767huh? was dhimmi status extended to hindus? i was taught they're pagans and not people of the book
>>220741704>>220741767>>220742146>>220745568I heard Indians largely managed to keep conversion attempts at bay because Hinduism is more flexible than rubber. Like if a guy shows up preaching Jesus or Allah, we just added Jesus/Allah to our existing pantheon of Gods. So yeah, polytheism rules (or not)
>>220745770>polytheism rulesit's Henotheism
>>220741704There were three types of muslims in india1. Pure invaders and marauders (eg. Iran king nadir shah and his afghan successor abdali. They invaded , raped looted and took many slaves. On one holi entire yamuna river turned red with blood after abdali invasion. It all started when mughal emperor refused to hand over afghan rebels to nadir shah after he conquered afghanistan)2. Resident rapists(eg. Delhi sultanate and Mughals. These people didn't loot and leave but made india their home. Leftists and islam lovers often call this a virtue but this was almost as bad as first kind. These kings had no home to return to so they just stayed here to enjoy trillions of dollars. they taxed non believers and marry with their princesses too. Mughal king Akbar used to have a rape festival with non believers in Delhi every Friday. One woman almost killed him. Sultante's Raziya sultan was said to be first female emperor of the world. She had a black slave. She got blacked )3. Assimilated Emperors (for eg. Sher Shah Suri. Afghan by genetics, bihari (magadhi) by culture. Delhi sultanate was defeated by mughal founder babar and babar's son was defeated by Suri. Suri built roads and shelters and good governance etc. and killed tigers with bare hands. after his death, his hindu general king and successor hemachandra who governed the state of Delhi was defeated by akbar when an accidental stray arrow hit his eyes and rumors spread among his soldiers of his death. Soldiers panicked and ran away and akbar actually beheaded him (he had defeated akbar 22 times). )Muslims grew more radical and powerful under the British rule. When Brits left they were at 33%. And at 33% they're basically rabid. So pakistan was formed. Current india has like 18%. When they hit 33 again there will be more riots and rapes and partitions.tldr: hindu kings kept fighting back. Plus Mughals realised it would be waste of effort to try and convert so many people and they'd probably lose too.
>>220744946>syncretic in what way?you can read about nund rishi order, for example. The progenitor for that order was a kashmiri shavite mystic and post, called Lalleshwari/Lel ded. Part of an early shaiva-yogic movement that bridged the gap between trika and sufism, and also polemiced brahminical hierarchies. It was established finally by her sufi contemporary sheikh noor-ud-din wali (nund rishi) and gained some following once those ideas existed in the intellectual sphere.They believed in a sort of trika non-dualism projected onto the tawhid, and incorporated yogic aesthetic imagery, and focus on inner spirituality; equating controlling nafs (ego) [standard sufi stuff] with inner cleansing, recognition (pratyabhijñā) and consciousness manifest.They also preached exclusively in kashmiri.some relevant couplets or (vakhs) from lal-ded i could find,>مو زان ہیوند تہ مسلمان>تُرک اے چھُکھ تہ پان پرٕزناو>سُے چَھے صاحبس زاُنی زان>translation: don't speak of Hindu or Musulman; If you are wise, know yourself>That is the recognition of the true God.and>Shiv chuy thali thali rozan,Mo zaan hyond ti musalman>translation: He (shiva) lives in every particle; do not think in terms of hindu or muslimand (shukh) nund rishi,>Zikr karith nafsas maar, Teli vuchhukh noor andar bahar>Translation: through his remembrance, subdue the ego- then you will see the divine light inside and out>Masheedas andar kya chhu, Yeli dilas andar na chu>Translation: What is inside a mosque, that cannot be found inside a heart?>Andaras andar suyi zaan, Baharas kya chukh wandan?>Translation: Know Him within yourself-Why do you wander outside?>do people in the valley still consider the pandit brahmins that fled to be real kashmiris?kashmiri is just an ethnic-linguistic group, there are sikh kashmiris too, one or two buddhists too.
>>220744946>does caste still exist in kashmir?Not as it used to, there are language artifacts, now rendered as slurs that originated from it. Most people however don't know of their origin. What we have is classism tied to old occupations that were tangentially related cast.But it wouldn't be a broad stroke to say we don't really have a caste system?
>>220741767Mughals recognized Hindus as people of the book and didn't charge Jiziya tax.
>>220741926that was a very minority religion for a very minority tribemajority converted early because of ibadi missionaries who had an egalitarian mindset
>>220742262its 2026 you shoudlve really outgrown this
>>220741767The priceless diamonds and jewels in the Mughal treasury fell into British hands. The most famous of these is the Koh-i Nur diamond, which India demanded be returned but which remains in England.
>>220747241>muslims make kaffirs pay the jizz taxyou cant make this shit up
>>220741704India = Indus = PakistanThe Mughals succeded, the Dalit rump state of Puinlustan is just coping
>>220745568Fuck off shud
>>220746432>Mughal king Akbar used to have a rape festival with non believers in Delhi every FridayHoly based>Sultante's Raziya sultan was said to be first female emperor of the world. She had a black slave. She got blacked )Doubly based
>>220747241>Sar you must understand that Allah is actually Vishnu
>>220753459>>220752820such a truke it got posted twice
