What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-english piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious: >>220639145
so uhhh how about those languages amirite guys?konnichiwa and such
ni hao brothers, hope you have made more progress than Jordie today
/lang/ is dead
EasyWhat time do you close today?One iced coffee, no sugar, please.Sorry, which platform?NormalI took the wrong bus, so I'll be about ten minutes late.That doesn't work for me. Can we meet at 7:30 instead?The package was delivered to Building C, but I live in Building B.HardYour text says Exit 2 at 6:20, but your voice note says Exit 3 around 6:40, so which one should I follow?I can't cover your shift tomorrow. I have an appointment, but I can help for an hour later in the day.I booked one double bed, but this room has two single beds. If you can't change the room tonight, can you move us tomorrow and adjust the price?
learned uyghur arabic alphabet. not very difficult as a concept, like all alphabets. hard to read on uyghur tv as the font is small. don't know any words yet but can tell you the "letters"ھېچكىم بۇنى ئوقۇيالمايدۇi have a old book for learning uyghur and one for grammar which i've skimmed. grammar is not too difficult as an english native
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>>220778095well thenthat makes two of usسىز نېمىشقا ئۇيغۇر تىلىنى ياخشى كۆرىسىز؟ شىنجىڭغا بارغانمەن، ئەگەر سوئالىڭىز بار، مەن جاۋاب بېرىمەنفوتو:تۇرپان شەھىرى
>>220777682ماۋۇ دۇكان بۈگۈن نە ۋاقتتا ئىشىكىڭىزنى تاقىسىز؟ماڭا بىر بۇزلۇق سۇكارسىز قەۋە بېرىڭكۆڭۈل يېرىم، قايسى سۇپىدا؟>>220778095a good online dictionary is lughet.com btwif you can read Chinese there are lots of other good online resources, but if you're an English monolingual then you'll be stuck with that, Greetings from the Teklimakan, Tömür's grammar handbook, and Nazarova's textbook if you're really lucky. I only have it because I got my uni library to buy me a copy.
I'm learning french because I'll need if I want to enter the masters degree, and it would help should I decide to do undergraduate research. My father said that parisians are complicated people, and it kinda makes sense, since french is full of rules. I still don't know how I will learn the irregular verbs.But it's funny that I'm learning a third language when my english grammar sucks. I still have a long way until mastering english, but reading manga and posting on 4chan is enough for me. Until I speak (broken) english with a foreigner.
>>220781658>still have a long way until mastering englishyour english grammar is good (the only thing wrong in your post is you need to say "I'll need it if I want")
>>220781658input input inputthat's what you need atm
Being very gifted at accents and pronunciation is kind of a curse in the beginning because people assume you are at a much higher level than you actually are but just really stupid or insane. They don't give you as much slack as people with bad accents.
>>220777682>EasyHva tid?? dere?? ?? i dag?Én ?? kaffe, ikke/uten sukker, takk.Beklager, hvilket?? ??>NormalJeg tar ?? buss, så jeg vil omtrent ti minutter sent.Det ikke ?? ?? meg. Kan vi ?? på?? klokka sju tretti?? ???? ?? ?? til ?? C, men jeg bor i ?? I don't know most of the words for hard yet. ?? marks on words mean I'm unsure if I'm using the right version of the word or even if I'm using the right word
>>220777682Wann machen Sie heute zu?Hätte gerne einen Eiskaffee bitte Pardon, welches Gleis?Ich bin in den falschen Bus eingestiegen und deswegen verspäte ich mich wohl etwa zehn Minuten Das klappt bei mir nicht. Können wir uns stattdessen um halb acht treffen?Das Paket wurde zu Gebäude C geliefert, aber Gebäude B ist mein Wohnort. Dein Text besagt Exit 2 gegen 6:20, aber deine Sprachnachricht besagt dagegen gegen 6:40, also welcher der beiden Nachrichten sollte ich folgen? Morgen kann ich für dich bei der Arbeit nicht einspringen. Ich habe zwar einen Termin, aber ich kann dir dabei eine Stunde lang später im Laufe des Tages helfen.Ich habe zwar ein Doppelbett gebucht, aber dieses Zimmer ist mit zwei Einzelbetten ausgestattet. Wenn es sich als unmöglich herausstellte, uns ein anderes Zimmer zur Verfügung zu stellen, können Sie wenigstens uns morgen verlegen und den Preis dementsprechend anpassen?
Bros, I finally learned how to roll my R's.
Asking again if you guys think i'ts worth hiring a tutor on Preply to get motivated to learn my TL again? They’re actually quite cheap, and there are some really cute young girls and sexy MILFs on there too. I’m thinking that if I get my sexual neuron activation, I might finally find a reason to study again
Thinking about going back to learning French and/or Korean again. What apps should I use while I'm on the bus for an hour?
>>220783027you will not sexually harass any rice fairies or you will face my wrath
>>220783248ankialso>tfw keep getting crushes on language partner brazilian/argentinian qt3.14'swhy in the fuck can I only connect with latinas that live far as fuck from me? but here in the states only fat girls give me attention?
>>220783295I'm not showing them my dick umprompted, I promise you (ಥ﹏ಥ) but we all love cute girls don't we
>>220783366Maybe because getting to fuck a gringo is hot.
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>>220783366Where and how do you find language exchange partners? (Qt3.14s or not.) I'm not at that stage yet, but I think I might like to try that sort of thing when my Spanish is more advanced.
>>220784753theres a bunch of websites and apps that people use. most of them are bordering pseudo-dating sites though. if youre purely just interested in conversation practice irl language exchanges are probably better options.what I do is just play online games though. it's 10/10 method. depends on the language though. if its an asian language it's typically very easy to find people and gaming groups willing to talk to you and teach you. if you're learning a eurofag language then good luck
日本語勉強にとってどのノベルゲーや美少女ゲーが役立つ?>プレイしたOniguisamaてにおはっ!feat真美>プレイしたいランスクラナドカノンマジ恋はなひら闇の声ひぐらし(難しそうけどw)
>>220785191沙耶の唄 ;3
>>220785765ありがとう。聞いたことある。長いイメージあるけど、全然違う。https://howlongtobeat.com/game/62971
Do you have any experience with the app Lingora? Wanting to get started with southern Vietnamese.
>>220787989>Do you have any experience with the appNo. Apps are for losers who make ZERO progress.
>>220777682Easy何時に閉じるんですか砂糖なしのアイスコーヒーを一つくださいすみません、どのホムんですか Medium違いバースを乗ったし10分ぐらい遅いになる都合がちょっと悪いです。七時半に会えませんか包みはCの建物の届いた、けど妾はBの建物に住んでるのDifficult メールに二番目の出口で六時二十分と書かれてる、けどボイスメールに三番目の出口で六時四十分ぐらいと言われた、じゃあどっちをする方がいいの〇〇さんの明日シフトをして上げられません。 約束が有るんです、それでも後は一時間を手伝いして上げますよダーブルベッドを要約しました、けれどこの部屋には二つのシングルベッドがあります。今夜は部屋を変えなければ明日にほかの部屋に移動させて値段低下調査をしてくれませんか
>>220783027And again: I think simping can be a good motivator. People have died in battles and been injured in tournaments for women that they probably would never even touch.
a prize to anyone who gets the joke
>>220782572>Når stenger dere i dag?>En iskaffe uten sukker, takk>Unnskyld, hvilken plattform?
OK, I decided to start my studies by pairing each slavic language to a romance language:polish + portuguese - why not idk the brazilian anon in the other thread wanted me to do portuguese first so might as wellrussian + spanish - most spoken ones, both easy to find resources and contentukrainian + french - both are easily accessible to me, I knows tons of ukrainians and am interested by french media and literatureserbo-croatian + italian - idk southoid culture or aegean sea or somethingczech + romanian - quirky and memeywhen I study I want to do two at a time, so I can use those pairs for that purpose
fuck I meant to say adriatic
passed 22k made german cards. I only learn 5 a day and don't really care about finishing my deck quickly as I add words pretty liberally (even when I deduced the meaning automatically). Doesn't take a lot of time and I enjoy it like collecting pokemon cards or something. The wild thing is even at 22k I still run into new words and phrases all the time still.
>>220785996>https://howlongtobeat.com/game/62971I unironically thought this was going to be the hit mobile game Duolingo Japanese course.
>>220784867I'm learning Spanish. I guess that's a Eurofag language. Maybe you're not the same person as I quoted, but I was interested in finding Argentines to talk to.
>>220795552>guess that's a Eurofagyou will be playing with mexicans and chileans and you will like it
>>220794294That's a lot of words anon, how do you even keep adding them up that quickly? I'm at a point in Japanese where finding new words has slowed down a lot. For example I spent two hours reading a novel last night and added in 7 or 8 mew words, mostly stuff having to do with Buddhism. Though I'm picky when it comes to stuff like compound words.
>>220796200Like I said I enjoy adding words and phrases, so I add stuff pretty liberally. Like I came across Beihilfe leisten yesterday which means aid and abet so I added a card for it, but I also added a card for Beihilfe zum Mord leisten (to be an accessory to murder). Another example would be gewagt (daring, bold literally venture); I have an individual card for gewagt, but also one for eine gewagte Idee (bold idea) and nichts gewagt, nichts gewonnen (nothing ventured, nothing gained). I average 10 a day which to me isn't that burdensome or anything. I read an hour a day and listen to about an hour or so of german as well, so I normally encounter enough new words. Sometimes when I'm reading a book about a specific historical event, a scifi book, or just something older I'll run into a bunch of new words too that are either archaic or basically field specific jargon, which I guess I don't really need to know, but I still add them. This happened a lot when I read a german translation of Dune.
>>220777426I’m too busy learning to shitpost about Scottish Gaelic
>>220783366>why in the fuck can I only connect with latinas that live far as fuck from me?the Chinese HelloTalk harem I'm building will be the end of me. Too bad I don't have any diaspora using the app in my city too.
>>220797001basaidh
>>220797821>picrelchuzz (chopped huzz)
>>220796959You do individual words/terms instead of full sentence cards?
Today I ate Chinese and did the wuxi finger hold on my weenie type shit fr cuh
>>220801215A succulent chinese meal?
>>220792657>Når That makes a lot more sense now that you mention it.>EnI kept second guessing myself on this one, and kinda realized later that just En would have been better here.>IskaffeNgl is was my first guess, but I only knew it as the word for ice cream so I assumed it was a word I didn't know yet.>UnnskyldThis was also my first guess and it felt like it flowed better than beklager but I unfortunately just went with a literal translation attempt.Thank you very much for the review
>>220802020Yes. Specifically Hakka braised pork w/ rice and a million pieces of prawn toast.
>>220803292Democracy manifest as a meal. Hope you had a good time with it.
>>220803431>Hope you had a good time with itarigato my tomodachi
>>220802493You could have also used "én" but the difference is like this:Jeg vil ha en kaffe = I want a coffee (sounds casual)Jeg vil ha én kaffe = I want ONE coffee (with a big emphasis on 1) >Thank you very much for the reviewNo problem, nobody else are learning Norwegian here right now so it's just fun to help out a bit
For the one random French anon who said he wants to learn Latvian nearly 2 weeks ago:http://donelaitis.vdu.lt/lkk/pdf/Latviu_kalba_intern.pdf (start on page 12)>but this is unusable if you don't speak Lithuanian!!learn Lithuanian then :DDD
I love learning languages
>>220809924I don't. It's incredibly boring and mundane memorization.
Anyone learning a constructed language? I think interlingua is an interesting concept, mutually comprehensible interlanguages in general but interlingua seems to be the most fleshed out. I am only learning one word a day on anki though, I don't want to get consumed by the dabbler curse and have it distract from my chinese study.
Once I read Metatron's book I will stop dabbling I promiseGod strike me dead if it comes to be that I bullshitted today
Someone redpill me on the subjunctive mood in Portuguese. This really seems to be its final boss. Currently working myself through my workbook on advanced Portuguese and half of all chapters are related to it. In French the subjunctive is pretty straightforward, there are certain phrases and verbs that trigger it in object and relative clauses and if you remember them you have mastered 99,5% of modern subjunctive use in French, using only one tense.In Spanish it's a bit more annoying since in addition to the above it's also used in conditional phrases and you also have to learn at least two tenses.Now in Portuguese there are like 20 different chapters on that shit with different mood/tense combinations.
>>220814722the most concise grammar i have found for pt (pt-pt at least) is this one which covers the subjunctive very well in chapter 9. in spite of the "in 3 months" title its actually excellent.>Portuguese in 3 Months with Free Audio App: Your Essential Guide to Understanding and Speaking Portuguese (Hugo in 3 Months)>Currently working myself through my workbook on advanced Portuguese and half of all chapters are related to it.which book?>In Spanish it's a bit more annoying since in addition to the above it's also used in conditional phrases and you also have to learn at least two tenses.i dont know spanish, but it sounds pretty much the same, except that in portuguese there is also the future conjunctive, which i understand that spanish has, but is no longer in use in the language. future conjunctive is completely normal and the correct way to form many common phrases, like:>quando fores, ...>se fores, ...The book I am suggesting however does not really cover the pretérito mais-que-perfeito do conjunctivo, which is used to express occurrences that are completely hypothetical or counterfactual.For example:>Se o médico tivesse estado aqui, o senhor teria morridoIf the doctor had been here, the man would not have died (except the doctor was not here, and the man did die)>t. not a native
>>220815773>>Se o médico tivesse estado aqui, o senhor teria morrido>If the doctor had been here, the man would not have died (except the doctor was not here, and the man did die)oops meant to say>>Se o médico tivesse estado aqui, o senhor não teria morrido
>>220813368this general is not accepting of con"langs"go somewhere else if you wish to talk about them
HyperTTS is actually so good. Some of the Azure voices are really great for Korean.I'm thinking of buying a bit of credits for it. Is anyone else using it here?(addon to add AI voice to anki cards)
>>220817054it looks cool. what types of cards are you making that would benefit from having this?for me, most cards i make now are audio cards, so i have access to the native speech and don't need to generate it.
All I want to do is study languages and improve
>>220819499this is what all my Korean anki cards look like. I mine them from novels through Kimchi Reader. I don't always add the English word, only when I find the Korean definition difficult or I find value in the specific English keyword. At first I thought I wouldn't need to ever add audio, but I tried HyperTTS trial to add audio to ~1000 cards and I've noticed that reviewing them is more pleasant. Also removes the laziness factor of me wanting to skip reading the whole sentence and just reading the keyword.Anyways I'm at a vocabulary level in which I feel like I need to read the whole sentence to try to guess the word. Years ago (when I did all my cards by copy and pasting manually and with autohotkey scripts) I could usually just bang through my older deck by just focusing on the bold word, but that's probably because that was lower level vocab.I really want to focus on Mandarin now, though. But I feel guilty about completely abandoning Korean. I'll try to keep reading a bit everyday and have max 5 new cards a day. I should probably get Chinese textbooks in Korean too
>>220813368Interlingua is designed to be comprehensible to any romance speaker without requiring any study. I think your time would be better used learning a real Romance language that way you'll learn a language that's actually useful, and after that interlingua will come naturally.
>>220810856That’s what makes it relaxing and enjoyable.
>>220819658I’m gonna IMPROOOOOVE
does this guy look french to you? he doesn't look white to mehttps://youtu.be/QB53WqiM5uo
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>>220823254I noticed this with multiple French teachers on youtube - Judith from Easy French, French Mornings with Elisa, and the woman from Piece of French. Judith has a Moroccan Jewish background, but not sure if the others are nafri or if French people just look like that sometimeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4ctO75nRohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2RbABWttUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dttk_GnCEZA
Would you rather your source for learning a language be a native speaker of your target language, or your native language?
>>220826566>French Mornings with Elisakekshe wants to pass as white so bad tooshe speaks arabic so she's a nafri, she tries to hide her brown skin with lightning though
>>220826641Native speaker of TL always.
>>220782150>>220781658'member to put in
>>220781658complicated in what way? examples?
>>220821024I am inventing the term KLR (Korean Learner Regret) to describe this seemingly very common phenomenon of westerners spending signficant amounts of time and money to learn Korean then discovering it is completely uselesshappens all the time
>>220827768I met a guy once who learned korean just to move to korea and make money there. 12 years later he regreted it because "all his life's acomplishments were stuck in korea"I found that really kafkaesque
>>220827768Why would people regret learning Korean be such a common phenomenon?
I tried HelloTalk for the first time yesterday and had some success chatting in English with Spanish speakers from joining the voice rooms. I have an older guy (male) I'm DMing about maybe trying a crosstalk session. Anyone else have any advice or stories to share about HelloTalk or similar platforms?Has anyone had any success reaching out directly to individuals on the Connect tab? I mean cold-calling a stranger, or DMing and setting up a call then and there? It seems like the vast majority of the profiles are women, most of them quite young, so I have some fears about whether they're real people or, even so, how interested they are in actual language exchange.For example, I saw a woman in her 20s. Her profile had a post saying she was interested in improving her English... from 2020. Yet her profile still is marked English level 1 and it says she's currently online. If she's been on HelloTalk since 2020 and she's a real person actively trying to improve her English, what has she been doing this whole time?
>>220829991anecdotally, I think it is because:>Korean culture is very popular in the west>Korean is percieved as "easier" than Chinese and Japanese (it's not)>due to difficulty of using Korean in actual jobs a lot of western Korean learners who actually use their language go on to be Korean teachershence, many westerners (primarily women but some men) learn Koreanthen:>they realise Korean is not actually easier than Chinese/Japanese>they realise that there are basically zero jobs that require Korean>they realise that there are basically zero jobs in Korea that want foreigners other than English teaching>they realise that East Asian work culture is terribleleading to the final realisation that they spent the same amount of effort and time as someone Chinese/Japanese/Russian/Arabic but recieved very very little in return (and after 4-5 years learning their interest in kpop/kdramas has usually worn thin)hence, significant regret
>>220830103Hellotalk is really cool and you can make genuine and long lasting friendships in there. It's full of trolls and people using it as a dating app though so beware. Also, don't pay too much attention to the levels people give themselves in there, it's very subjective and some people might be too critical or too lenient of their own skillks in any language (indians do the latter a lot) and some people just straight up lie for kicks.
>>220774987Anyone used memory techniques like a memory palace to remember conjugations? Is this worthwhile to try doing?
>>220829044I never thought I'd make much money out of it. I did a little bit but it was mostly translation gigs. Then AI came and it's all gone. I also lost the tiny chance to get a full-time job in a translation company (they prefer overseas Koreans or westoids already living there with a marriage visa anyways).>>220830170yeah, pretty much every person I know that has gone on to stay in Korea with careers related to Korean language basically married a local and mostly live off of their spouses' earnings. It's really blackpilling to see all the liberal European women marry Korean dudes they've been dating for 1/2 years just so they can stay with a visa. A lot of them end up being absolutely terrible marriages though so I'm not that jealous either wayif I learnt Japanese at least the content is endless, I'm more interested in Japanese novelists and I'm not big into anime/manga but I'd probably have grown a liking to manga if I studied it.and if I learnt Chinese I'd have more job opportunities (+I could interact with lots of Chinese immigrants +women are friendlier and hotter)
>>220831080It seems like it'd be a lot of effort to go wandering around your memory palace every time you encounter a verb. Conjugations appear in pretty much every single sentence you'll ever read or hear so as long as you input consistently I think you'll get the hang of them pretty quickly.
>>220831080memory palace is for remembering difficult and rare vocabconjugations are very simple and common and do not merit going to such effortif you have trouble learning conjugations I advise inputting more >>220831173the worst part is that the investment is so massive yet the returns are so littlealso even before AI translation was never a good industryone of my friends is going to do a masters in translation and try to become an English-Chinese interpreterI don't care enough about him to dissuade him but it is sad that his 6+ years of learning Chinese are going to be completely wasted like that
>>220831453maybe I'm just blinded by seeing greener pastures on the other side, but I think going for Chinese-English interpretation isn't that bad of a bet. Serious live interpreting isn't going to die off because of AI, and Chinese is one of the official languages of the UN.Also it seems to me like China has way job opportunities for foreigners, even if it's just because of sheer size and because of all the international commerce they do.This might not be that great of a career, but I'm also surprised at how feasible it seems to be to become a teacher of Chinese as a foreign language despite being a foreigner. It's even encouraged by the government with the 'chinese teachers' scholarship and so on. a prestigious university in Barcelona even has a master's for it, it's crazy. Also there's lots of private schools still offering Chinese classes to kids because it's the 'language of the future'.yeah doing something else with Chinese on the side is probably better, but fully investing into interpretation while actually being good at the language doesn't seem like that bad of a choice. I think he can definitely pivot into something lucrative.In the worst case he can do TEFL in China and use his fluency to get a university gig or something fancier than a typical private academy
>>220830103lots of people on there are not very serious, so you really just have to look out for people who seem genuinely interested in learning/improving. from my experience, most of them will be people with clear professional goals (the 10/10 sexy women probably won't be the people who can help you the most in your TL). And it's also good ofc to set your profile to make it clear what you are looking for (just like on a dating app, lol).>>220830692>Hellotalk is really cool and you can make genuine and long lasting friendships in there.this, i've made several brazilian friends from HelloTalk over the last 3 years and i still talk with all of them. one of them i will finally meet in person this year.
>>220831745yes but he is going to a shit university to do it, you need years and years of experience in low-level gigs to be able to do live interpreting (which will be harder to get as normal translators pivot out of written translation towards interpreting) and the pay is still really bad>teacher of Chinese as a foreign languageyeah they really want people to do thisbut you still become a teacher which is not a good joband schools would much rather hire a Chinese native than a nonnativeanyway, I just think interpretation is a dead-end and poorly compensated unfulfiling career. you can just do so much more with a good language level than translate/interpret
>>220832253tell me about it. I already posted my career woes in this threads and I was being encouraged to go to China to do whatever masters in international commerce or something along those lines, lol. I'm finishing a short masters in Spanish Teaching now but that also seems difficult to make a decent living with. Never wanted to get into Academia because oriental studies just seem like such a meme loser field, but sinology does seem a bit more respectable than the Korean side of it
>>220832587I think it's kinda over for you desu your best opportunity is to go into teaching unless you want to spend 2-3 years reskilling
>>220782256i actually feel this, my pronunciation is miles ahead of my grammar so when i say one phrase in perfect proto-scythian and SHOCK the grain weaver at my local market they really do expect me to be able to follow it up with a lot better coherence than they're going to get
>>220826730passes as white imc, would never have guessed she was anything other than slightly med. i guess nafris are meds but you know what i mean
>>220831173there is legitimately zero good reason to learn any asian language other than chinese. they're all equally as impossible to learn and the difference in speaking population is enormous. also, hard pill for the weebs and kweebs to swallow, but both japanese and korean languages descend from chinese
HelloTalk is a great app, it's the biggest language learning community out there after all. The fact that it is an app from Hong Kong also comes with the advantage that there are a disproportionate amount of Asian language speakers on the app and you can find people from all kinds of small, obscure and sanctioned countries.However, it's easier to download an app than to learn a language so like 50% of people you'll ever message likely will basically be inactive within the next two months if they are total beginners because they aren't really too serious about learning and studying, they just downloaded the app to check it out and also a lot of people use it for dating which technically is banned on there but that's the ideal scenario no? Having a language exchange partner that practices with you and also sucks your dick occasionally helped me a lot with progressing my language skills. In my experience it has the highest concentration of serious language learners of any big platform.
