Mexico has to go back
>>220782552I live a 3 hr flight from Mexico City, yet I've never visitedI heard the climate is perfect year round though
By the 17th century, the city still retained the form of Tenochtitlan, still surrounded by lakes and crossed by some canals
>>220782552I have the idea that most of that urban sprawl should be removed with the exception of some historical or cultural places that remain as tiny islands and the people relocated to arcologys at the edges of the lake, the arcologys should have a neotoltec aesthetic to them
>>220782664I made a while ago some rough concepts with AI sloppahttps://desuarchive.org/int/thread/209135926/
>>220782777I was just wondering where I had seen those pictures because I liked them.
>>220782552why did they build a city in the middle of a lake? how the fuck did that even work
>>220782808aztec legend that told them to build a city wherever they saw an eagle eating a snake
>>220782552How are the mosquitos?
>>220782878It's eternally 40-75 degrees F
>>220782808In downtown Mexico City, you'll notice many dark brown buildings throughout the Historic Center. These buildings, almost all dating from the 17th and 18th centuries, utilize tezontle, a porous and lightweight volcanic rock that helps prevent significant subsidence and, if subsidence does occur, allows the building to adapt to the resulting deformation.
>>220782965Is this spanish invention?
>>220782950so does that mean a lot?
>>220782804I made the AI sloppa and was posting it a few times until I used that thread to make a definitive dump, now I just reference that thread for the most part
>>220782992The architecture is a native baroque style of New Spain, obviously with a lot of Spanish influence, but the knowledge about the properties of tezontle for large constructions is completely prehispanic, the material from which the ruins of the aztec pyramids are made.
>>220782808>why did they build a city in the middle of a lake?It's not a bad idea actually. Having your city be a literal island makes it very defendible: to connect it to land you use floating bridges, and during attack, you just remove them. They had aqueducts for fresh water and they could also fish in case of siege.Yeah, there's a reason why Tenochtitlan was such a hard nut to crack for Cortéz.
>>220782552Lakes are too spicy for Mexico City
there must be so much stuff still buried from aztec times under the city the 12 ton monolith of tlaltecuhtli was just found in 2006
>>220784125There are a lot of stuff that gets buried under concrete, construction companies are supposed to report it for archeologist to take a look but then they loose money because construction is paused so they just dont report it and build over it.
>posting AI slopHere's a satilliete style map made by an actual artist (Tomas Filsinger) which doesn't butcher the shape of Tenochtitlan and get other details wrong, though this only shows one half of the central lake and not the whole valley and it's 5 lakes like the slop image is trying to show.>>220782842It's not clear if the original myth included the snake being eaten, prehispanic and colonial period depictions sometimes show a water-fire glyph (which has the "fire" portion represented as a Xiuhcoatl tail, so it does look like a snake a bit, hence the theory it got misinterpreted later) in the eagle's mouth instead, or sometimes it gripping a smaller bird, or sometimes nothing at all and just it being a eagle on the nopal cactus>>220784201A true shame that INAH doesn't have the budget to go after shit like that more
>>220782808Waterfront property on all 4 sides of your house. Think big & never stop hustling
>>220784227were there causeways in the other lakes? sometimes i see a causeway depicted in chalco
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>>220784500Yes, I believe so, this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0951832020305585#fig0003 seems to show a causeway or dike in lake Chalco and other lakes
>>220782552so fvcking kino
Mexico city looked fine until like 1960. Runaway population growth is what made it such a shithole, not knocking down some shitty pyramids.
>>220785008No it didnt. It has always been a dumpster full of criminals
>>220784969was there really a causeway separating lake xaltocan and lake texcoco!? wow never seen it before. were all the causeways built by the aztecs? or are some of them previous to their rule
I think it's interesting how one of the few surviving aztec structures is a defensive wall
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>>220785142what about costa rica did you have temples and shiet
>>220785142Crazy that no one speaks of this structure
>>220785157I was born in the wrong era
>>220785188not really, the natives here carved large stone spheres doe>>220785200there's a lot of Aztec stuff that's not talked about, like this temple carved from stone
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>>220785221tu le sait
>>220785102The entire country had been characterized by its banditry and constant assaults.
>>220782552Mexico needs to make Nahuatl the official language again like it was in the colonial era. Will never ever happen but its a nice dream>>220785188Costa Rica did have temples from the Kingdom of Nicoya but they were all mud and wood so they didn't survive>>220784201Because of the retarded law that says that all prehispanic artifacts and archeological sites belong to the government/INAH with no compensationMy uncle's property in Tlaxcala has a momoztli somewhere on it that was buried in the 60s because my grandpa were afraid the government was going to seize the property
>>220785280I remember seeing this once, ai never heard of the wall until now though >>220785345Where so I can report it to inah?
>>220784125Demonic
>>220785345The only bad part of the law is that INAH gets to manage the copyright on shit it produces instead of it all being public domain
>>220785419hahahah
>>220782808>how the fuck did that even workwell they built it on an island mate didnt they
>>220782878under the aztecs, waterworks kept the lake water turbulent enough to kill mosquito larvae. when spain decided to send priests and soldier to administrate instead of engineer, and the dindu native engineers died of smallpox, the lake turned to a malaria hell
>>220782552What happened to the temples? Did they just demolish them?
I went to Mexico city last year and took a tour from some grad student who was part of a project trying to restore some of the irrigated island farms in xochimilco to grow food for local restaurants. Unfortunately it seems a lot of them are being replaced with soccer fields and party spots.
>>220785392have you seen this one? it's a small shrine called el tepozteco built on top of a cliff, it probably got preserved due to being so remote
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>>220785535Most of them are buried under the city, you can still see some of the ruins of the biggest one downtown
Flick dich. Im white now. I dont want to be a monkey again
>>220785554You remember the name of that project?
>>220785535modern mexico city was built on top of tenochtitlan and yes they used the bricks/stones of the old temples to build new buildings, despite some of the foundations of old aztec buildings have been found (pic related)
>>220782552nothing is greedier than mexicansthey drained the lakes to kill all the axolotl and build ugly shanty villages
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>>220785652>they used the bricks/stones of the old temples to build new buildingsOh yeah, I always forget that's a thing. The same thing happened with Rome
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>>220785554I wouldn't eat anything grown from Xochimilco, there's so much sewage, trash, and leaded gasoline remnants, it just doesn't make sense It's really not even that pretty of a place. >>220785436They need to offset the cost of their excavations somehow
>>220785641Manos a la Tierra>>220785679My understanding is that the plants act as natural filters, and the volcanic soil is highly fertile and renewable if worked properly.
>>220785535yes. it's funny when ppl bring up muslims&iconoclasm meanwhile stuff like hagia sophia or the luxor temple are right there while there's not a single intact temple standing west of the maya area (which was the most densely populated area of mesoamerica and was quickly covered in jungle after the population collapse) in mexico
>>220782664>>220782552I believe me and my neighbors should not be drowned for aesthetic effect
>>220785597there was as an almost intact aztec pyramid&temple in quauhtochco in veracruz in the early 19th century but since then the front wall and upper third caved in and the area lays abandoned nowadays
>>220785786the area is fully abandoned by the inah and it even got burned some years ago
>>220785786>>220785812it's this one right? I didn't know the roof used to be preserved
>>220785842yes. you can see a looter's pit on lower left
>>220785877funnily enough the mexicas used to loot teotihuacan since artifacts from that city have been found in aztec sites, the grid layout was probably copied for tenochtitlan too
>>220782552wtf happened to all the waters?
>>220782552The asspaniards subhumans ruined it by drying the lake and tearing all the buildings down to replace them with generic asspaniard colonial architectureIt'd been awesome to have the city preserved
>>220782552>>220784227how do people commute to work in this place. Those 5 roads leading to the island must be PACKED during rush hour
>>220786115The greatest damage was done by mexicans themselves starting in the 20th century. The drainage works carried out by the spanish pale in comparison to the massive destruction of the lake ecosystem by the mexicans.
>>220785749>here's not a single intact temple standing west of the maya areameds>>220786174since it was all by foot there was more transport capacity >>220786197just like how the indigenous languages suffered the most during the post independence period. mexico used to be like guatemala where more than half the population spoke an indigenous language now it's 20%. la leyenda negra is a meme at least in mexico
>>220785970was the lake even larger during the preclassic?
>>220785679>They need to offset the cost of their excavations somehowThey could get proper funding from the government..
>>220786260Yes, it is believed that even Teotihuacan had its own dock.
>>220786115this
>>220786012they were drained and now the city is sinking and has to steal water in the neighboring region to the west so the tap doesn't run dry
>>220786368Cute
>>220786311>it is believed that even Teotihuacan had its own dock.proof??
>>220782552Imagine if Mexico had preserved Tenochtitlan and built their slums elsewhere
cool stuff, a damn shame what happened
>>220786440where is this
>>220782664>>220782777based
Should Mexico be the main character of new world?How did US get ahead
>>220782552That was real? I saw that movie I thought it was bullshit
>>220786607that looks like the replica they exhibited at the zocalo not the real coatlicue
>>220786600It's Cuicuilco, there are three other small pyramids in the Centro Deportivo Villa Olímpica outside the main archaeological zone.
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Did mexico build anything more interesting than pyramids
>>220786918We can list the rest:-Mendicant Monasteries-Old Haciendas-Catholic Missions-Castles-Cathedrals-Churrigueresque Churches-Palaces and Churches of Talavera-Palaces of the Nobility in Tezontle-Monumental Convents-Catholic Universities and Colleges-Monumental Aqueducts-Neoclassical Palaces-Mexican Functionalism-Mexican Art Deco-Mexican Brutalism-Colonial Revival-Prehispanic Revival
Why did they drain all the water? Canal cities are kino
Cute lake you got there, perfect for sailing
>>220788041Spaniards rolled up on a bunch of guys wearing jaguar skins and wielding fuckin' clubs and shot them with guns.
>>220788098it was gods will o algo
>>220782552It's honestly a pity, Mexico City could look like a cooler latinamerican version of Venice
They should've preserved some of them skull walls
>>220785299it will never not be funny when mexicans depict themselves as white
>>220785597No actually
>>220790843In fact, a few have been preserved.>>220790972The people in the portrait are indeed white, and they were the ones who could afford a nice carriage to travel from one city to another, and that is why they were the main target of the bandits.
Damn what I wouldn't give to be able to travel in time and see it at its peak. Such a shame so many records of pre contact America, especially central and south, has been lost or destroyed.Maybe it's because I'm European and our history curriculums don't go super indepth or maybe it's because it's so fascinating how they were able to develop in such a different environment from us in Europe, that my fascination comes from. I'd just love to see all the architecture and colors and the roads and the markets.Fucking Spaniards man, they ruin everything.
>>220788098>>220790602They didn't wear Jaguar skins or use simple clubs much, you're falling for pop culture stereotypes.Aztec soldiers, or at least ones of decent rank, had actual armor: gambeson vests and tunics (possibly full suits). Elite soldiers wore full body suits or skirted tunics/jackets over that, made of thick cloth and covered in a mosaic of feathers (see >>220786227 for some colonial period "paintings" made using the technique), where the arrangement of feathers of different colors formed designs and patterns to indicate rank and/or unit division. Helmets were made of wood and also covered in feather mosaic and/or precious stone/metal pieces, shields were wood or usually bamboo with similar coverings, etc. The famous "jaguar" gear was just one of those full body warsuits wear the feather mosaic was designed to look like jaguar spots and the helmet was carved to resemble a jaguar head: It was not actually made from jaguar pelt, most of the time. I say "most" because one late account does say that commoners who achieved the right to wear jaguar equipment and a title of honorary nobility (as opposed to natural born nobles) had to make do with lesser quality warsuits made from actual jaguar fur, but these would almost certainly still be full body warsuits, IE actual processed garments like fur boots or gloves, not just caveman/hercules style raw hides.Similarly, they had actual bespoke weapons, not just clubs and sticks: Certainly there WERE simple clubs seen in Mesoamerican warfare, but you also had maces with a variety of flanged, studded etc striking heads, even morning stars with copper/bronze spikes, clubs with large stone spikes which acted like "war picks" or with studs/knobs, axes (both stone and metal), "swords" like macuahuitl, not just simple spears but also slicing "halberds", with multiple serrated blades, long pikes, "glaives", and a variety of projectile weapons. See desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/k/image/1767/26/1767260962268.jpg
>>220788098>clubsMexicas had Obsidian broadswords that would slice you in half and sure they didn't have guns but an arrow to the neck can kill you in one shot equally is not like Cortes troops were wearing much armorSpanish soldiers just were in another level stop coping this is not like the British bullying ngubus with spears, Hernan Cortes always fought in close combat
>>220782552https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tl0rtp0Kz4theyre back
>>220786878A pyramid for chihuahuas?
>>220796055Regular sized Mexicans o algo
The lake was already drying up when the mexica arrived to the valley. Why do you think the found an islet in the middle of the lake?
>>220786333Prone to earthquakes like the one in ‘85 that could have destroyed the whole city
>>220796055>>220796071kek
>>220795654They had fuckin steel, cavalry, cannons, and a passive buff of disease that killed half of the cunt by itself. They maxed their tech tree and then burnt down a nation that was three tech trees below. You don't have to get defense about it; game is game.
>>220786435I remember asking that to my teachers and them replying with "that would be primitive, there's no lake because we had the technolgy to drain it" That school was a total waste of time.
>>220795407Here's your Aztec warrior bro
>>220782552like cancerthere should be only 1billion MAX humans on Earth
>>220796702No, the lake was just shallow perpetually, it had a relatively consistent depth over time>>220795654>>220798650>Spanish soldiers just were in another level The Spanish absolutely did kill many Mesoamerican soldiers for each Conquistador that died, but they weren't superhuman: Cortes's forces fought Tlaxcala to a standstill, they would have been screwed had the Tlaxcalteca not decided to ally with them, the opportune outbreak of smallpox, and then other states allying with them both also later on after the Mexica of the Aztec capital got weakened and they decided to switch sides opportunistically (not from Mexica rule being resented or oppressive, contrary to popular misconception)>They had fuckin steelMost Conquistadors didn't have metal armor, mind you, most had unarmored clothing, some with leather jackets or mail, and many adopting local Mesoamerican armor. Only a few had full plate armor.
>>220782552We're flooding Mexico city?
>>220784227>>220795407>>220800414Are you the Aztec anon who infodumps in /v/ threads? Love your posts, always top notch.
>>220803043Yes
>>220782552Good view to get your heart ripped out to in a ritual hehe
>>220807415tzompantli kino
>>220807740Cringe
>>220782552Why though?
Lake Titikaka
>>220782660>>220782552before spicniards / after spicniards
>>220782552Aztec hippies got mogged hard lmao
>>220782552>Mexico has to go backhow far back though?
>>220808102because they mix aztec arch and catholicism?
>>220782552
Very interesting thread, Mexico is like the Egypt of the new world.
>>220812119true
>>220782842>aztec legend that told them to build a city wherever they saw an eagle eating a snakeBased
>nice lake you got there, Axolotl. Don't mind if I drain it?
>>220782660this was perfect and beautiful, fucking aztecs
>>220812962???
>>220787159cant build house on water
The Spaniards ruined the American continent
>>220810357I cry everytime.
>>220782552First they have to change diet so they stop eat corn and motor oil
>>220809712>a depiction by the winners
