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>>220841639

for Finland
>you need to heat your house or you die, cant do it yourself without owning a forest and even the warmer countries in Europe try to ban wood
>constant rain and snow, if your roof is leaking you are dead
>things grow 2,5 months a year and after that everything is dead. With a green house you can extend it but its expensive to heat it. With genetic modification many things grow here nowadays, but historically you could only do barely do anything else but potatoes and barley in some places
>basically no sun during winter, zero solar energy in 3 months of the year

>>220841689
no, seriously
if I were a Spaniard I would literally refuse industrial society because the legislation in the EU and the environment is all rooting for you

>>220841729
Well if you have the money for it go ahead, you could probably come and move to some town in the middle of nowhere

>>220841757
its not my country I wont go there I am not an asshole

>>220841786
PLUS
I believe we are all genetically engineered to live in our own natural environments, so you can never get a Finn out of this dark and cold dystopia

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>>220841639
The interior and the mountains are incredibly cold, and when it snowns it falls so heavy it collapses the cities for a couple days. Same with rain, it could be dry for 4 years straight but then we have massive rains and floods. Constant sun except in the Atlantic coast which is constantly clouded. Shit only grows with proper irrigation, hald of the land is semi-arid, and the soil isn't even that fertile compared to Ukraine's black earth and such.

>>220841639
>>no cold (no need to heat a house)
burgos is colder than finland, most likely, ive never been
>>almost no rain (your house wont start molding after the roofing gives up)
only in the south
>>everything just grows automatically all year round (no need to work, can just grow your own food)
if you have land, so you would have to go to the countryside
and we are 3 times poorer than you

>>220841639
>>220841690
yeah that's pretty much why all the first civilizations emerged in warm places such as the mediterranean, egypt, mesopotamia and india while cold places were sparsely populated if at all

>>220841837
>>>220841639 (OP)
>>>no cold (no need to heat a house)
>burgos is colder than finland, most likely, ive never been
Impossible for the mere sake of Finland receiving arctic and siberian winds like crazy, maybe Burgos has a more constant cold but it never gets as low as Finland, so the average will always be higher.

>>220841896
Finland had a population of only 20-40k people in the 11th century

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>>220841690
>for Finland

but yeah Burgos is pretty much always under snow during winter, yet if you look at the average temperature it never gets as low as nordic countries because the low temps are due to height and not latitude and arctic winds

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>>220841831
>incredibly cold
I bet its like -5c at worst
also you are talking about some of the worst places. Finland has places where its 2 months of darkness, literally

>>220841960
I hate this country for letting these in

>>220841837
>burgos is colder than finland, most likely, ive never been
are you fucking kidding me
>if you have land, so you would have to go to the countryside
so?
>>220841974
it doesnt even matter if it snows
your warm season lasts like 9 months there still

>>220841960
dont make me posts the hindu statues of texas

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>>220842061
yeah, it's a ridiculous comparison, but constant -5ºC it's still life-threatening cold if you don't insulate, etc. Also, talking about winds, from time to time in Spain we have Saharan winds that cover the entire country in its dust, it's cool until you breathe it in and it gets into your eyes.

>>220842152
>if you dont insulate
with basic clay strucuture you can insulate enough in those heats
sand storms are clearly just nuisances and mainly for cars anyway

>>220842184
I mean, during the night it usually gets as cold as -15ºC, the average is always compensated by the warmer day, but yeah, it's not as bad, that anon was tripping.

>>220842083
>are you fucking kidding me
nah, i guess that it isnt true, but its very cold still, burgos soria terual are very cold
during ww2the spanish general that went to russia said something along the lines that cold in russia was nothing compared to cold in soria
>so?
why do you thing those provinces are dying?
no public services, no infraestructure, for example the road with the higest mortality rate is the soria one, no jobs(even less that in the rest of spain)
i would like to go to small province, but i would like to find a girl before(that wont divorce me) and a job and fix my life coompletely to be honest

>>220842222
burgos has the same temperature in janury as Helsinki has in april
SHUT UP
Finland is even more rural and has even less opportunities in rural places and unlike Spain, you cannot just ask some latina from South America to marry you there

>>220841639
Not spain but i never realized how lucky we are in california until i went to new jersey and experienced real humidity and 4 seasons instead on wet and dry. our dry season is like 9 months and then it kinda rains for 3 months
its actually godly. no wonder homelesss people like here

>>220842286
literally only solve water issues and you have no issues in California

>>220842152
>from time to time in Spain we have Saharan winds that cover the entire country in its dust
i only recall that time a few years ago, they are very common in canary but not in the rest of spain
but you are right about climate here fluctuating much more, for example my room is very cold in winter and very hot in summer, sometimes so hot that i cant turn on my pc without it shuting down to not overheat without the ac on>>220842263
>Finland is even more rural and has even less opportunities in rural places
only lapland, has a lowest density population than castille and leon, and again, you are 3 times richer
> latina from South America to marry you
they would divorce me, and i would rather marry a spanish girl, castillian or galician

>>220842313
>only lapland, has a lowest density population than castille and leon, and again, you are 3 times richer
thats not right. Most of Finlands regions has lower population destiny than that region. Also we arent 3x richer. We have higher salary but own almost nothing

>>220841639
>almost no rain
>everything just grows automatically
Their cunt is a giant empty barren land, you need water for plants if you didn't know

>>220842586
just improve the condition in land like China does do their deserts

>>220841639
Finland has constant sun during the summer solstice, you retard.

>>220843273
explain to me why does it matter when the rest of the year is cold and dark?
in fact its actually a downside for some plants when they dont get dark at all (corn for example)

>>220843357
>explain to me why does it matter when the rest of the year is cold and dark?
Let's keep the cold out of thie topic, but in Utsjoki (69°54'N) in northernmost Finland, there are already bright evenings at the end of March, where it gets dark as late as 9 p.m. - as late as it gets dark in southern Europe in June. In October you still have there 6 or 5 p.m. sunsets, which isn't bad compared to 3 or 2 p.m.

So that's, like, 8 months of brightness and only 4 months of gloominess.

While it's true that at your latitude your sun altitude is much lower but even this isn't bad. In Utsjoki, again, the lowest the sun is under the horizon in the noon during the polar night is only 3 degrees, which is a still a bright phase of civil twilight.

Honestly, you're exagerrating. Finland isn't Svalbard, which is much, much worse in this regard.

>>220843694
I dont know why you are so gloating the constant sun during summer when its balanced by endless darkness in the winter
it literally doesnt matter
its something we except and enjoy but its not some kind of superpower

try to live 1 year here and you will see what its like and see how it works. Forget some type of clock of waking up sun light. That doesnt exist here. Traditionally of course winter literally meant shorter days, but modern life doesnt work that way since we invented light bulps

>>220843859
>endless darkness in the winter
Only 33% of Finland lies north of the Arctic Circle. South of it, where most of you live, you have no polar night. And like I said Svalbard, which lies far more north, is much worse when it comes to darkness during winter.

You only think it's so dark because the clouds act like an additional layer which only intensifies this effect. This, plus also street lights which cause you to think it's late.

>>220841941
>tfw Liechtenstein will have a population of 5 million in the 31st century

Liechtenstein superpower 3026, you read it here first

>>220842286
and you're running out of water after pumping ao much if it out to sustain life in a dry place
having 4 seasons and an actual winter js great, warmth is overrated

>>220841639
Anon, you need heating in all of Spain, unless you from the Canary Islands.
And the north is literally mold central, this year we had 6 months of continuous rain

>>220841639
why do people think spain is the sahara kek
they need heating

>>220841639
>no cold (no need to heat a house)
False
>almost no rain (your house wont start molding after the roofing gives up)
False, this winter has been a wet hell
>everything just grows automatically all year round (no need to work, can just grow your own food)
It's usually very dry so no
>>constant sun (no need to buy electricity, just put a solar panel)
Same as point 2

>>220841639
No water i guess

>>220845180
>they need heating

Heating from AC doesn't count

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>>220845626
What's the most common heating system in Germany? I have one of these aerothermal things that are super efficient, which is nice because electricity is super expensive in Spain

>>220845737
Gas but it's changing to heat pump in new buildings

>>220844194
>Only 33% of Finland lies north of the Arctic Circle. South of it, where most of you live, you have no polar night
what does it matter when the sun is out for 5 minutes?

>>220844913
>Anon, you need heating in all of Spain, unless you from the Canary Islands.
just have reasonably insulated house, not even like too hard and there is no way you need actual constant heating
like I am in my apartment block and I have no heating on and the whole apartment has been like 20c warm for 2 months now

>>220845447
cold that isnt -10 doesnt count
and no, there is no rain in Spain. I've seen it. Its not rain.
And yes its very dry but you improve the soil like a white man and no more dry
and yes you have infinite solar energy. Shut up. You dont have months that are empty.

>>220845914
its fucking insane that you fucking people still heat up with gas like that is something people made fun of if someone had it like 20 years ago here already
like you are literally 20 years away from Nordics when it comes to heating systems

also looking at Germans energy strategy you would benefit a lot more if you used district heating since your remaining manufacturing industry will produce a lot of that

>everything just grows automatically all year round (no need to work, can just grow your own food)
Do citycucks really?

>>220845977
>5 minutes
If you're lucky enough to live in Helsinki, which is in the southernmost parts of Finland you'll get something like 6 hours of sun. In Oulu, which is in the middle of the country, it's 3,5 hours.

Seriously, stop complaining.

>>220846129
>Do citycucks really?
you literally put shit on the ground, like potatoes and then put some shit on top of it so you dont need to weed and it grows
been there done that

>>220846141
yes. Sun. In the middle of the work day.
so it goes like this
you go to work, its dark
you leave work, its dark
if you outside during lunch (its cold) then sun shines but there is a snow storm

>>220841639
>>no cold (no need to heat a house)
retard
>>almost no rain (your house wont start molding after the roofing gives up)
retard
>>everything just grows automatically all year round (no need to work, can just grow your own food)
retard
>>constant sun (no need to buy electricity, just put a solar panel)
retard

>>220846504
I accept your concession
you have no real problems in your country

>>220846194
We also do this in Germany

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>no cold (no need to heat a house)

I've heard from several Finns that houses in Southern Europe are extremely cold and damp in the winter, you can't escape it. Finns are used to +20 celcius indoor heat everyone so we can't take it.

>>220841639
Yeah, we are held back by our shitty bureaucratic society.
>It still gets pretty cold.
>Only true for like 35% of Spaniards.
>Regulated by community and state governance etc
>Bureaucratic hell, if you start today your grandchildren might benefit from those panels

>>220846641
what do you mean solar panels are bureucratic as hell? You need a loicense for those solar panels or what?

>>220846666
You need license and approval for anything here.

I spent 8 hours yesterday cutting down trees for the next winter and I have to read this shit, guess I should just enjoy my house at 10°C in winter

>>220846827
Anon... 10 degrees Celsius is comfy as fuck. Just put on a sweater.
Why the fuck do you need firewood for 10 degrees? Are you African or something?

>>220846940
Being in 10 celcius 24/7 without occasional heat source like fireplace or fire would suck.

>>220846688
I mean that still shouldnt be a problem?

>>220846827
Imagine owning a property so large it has 10 trees on it and then go on the internet and complain.

>>220846993
He said "in winter" smelly euro

>>220846827
why doesnt your AC heat as well? Modern system should go bothways
why doesnt it have basic insulation with good windows?
you caused this yourself

>>220847048
Yeah it would suck, months of that. I know I couldn't do it.

>>220847019
Imagine not owning land
>>220846940
If you keep your house at 10°C it will get fucked with mold, it has nothing to do with cold tolerance mr. norseman
>>220847100
I don't have AC, the house never goes over 22°C even in the midst of winter, I'm chaging the roof this year for better insulation and next year I'll look into solar panels, but I drive an old diesel car I feel like I won't take full advantage of it
But the point it's that in most of spain you need heating during winter, I don't live in a particularly cold place (I'm galician and it's just rain all year around) but in the Iberian plateau the winters are somewhat harsh and houses are designed to leak heat because summers are +35°C, same with the mediterranean coastline and the south

at home the temperature should be from 18 to 23

>>220847508
just have good windows and good roof
it shouldnt leak that much heat if windows are closed
get the AC and solar panels
with solar panels you unlock life

>>220841639
Ive been to Madrid and Ive been to Valencia. Is cold asf in the winter, what you mean

>>220847749
define cold as fuck

>>220847806
You need a sweater on top of a tshirt and then you need a jacket on top of the sweater. Your ears hurt while walking out during the night and the wind hurt your face a little. Thats what we call cold asf here

>>220841639
Tell me that you haven't been here without telling me that you haven't been here.

test

>>220846194
>you go to work, its dark, you leave work, its dark
But bruh, you're not the only one (and it depends when you start and finish work). It's all over Europe actually. You're no special in this regard. Stop this fucking victimhood.

You, Finnoids, really think you are special or something.

>>220841639
>>almost no rain
OP doesn't know the north part

>>220848322
Finns might have to come hat in hand and beg for work in Poland

>>220848470
You won't like it here. We don't follow protestant work ethic, salaries are shit, men are discriminated here and we don't take care of nature as good as you do.

>>220848961
That sounds like Finland

>>220842152
>from time to time in Spain we have Saharan winds that cover the entire country in its dust,
Can confirm. I live in one of the northernmost parts of the country and these Sahara winds have dirtied my car a few times over the years.
Every time that happens all car washes in my city are full of people for the next week.

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>>220842286
>California

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>>220842406
>we arent 3x richer. We have higher salary but own almost nothing
This is basically every high GDP country.

>>220847882
thats not cold

>>220848961
>protestant work ethic
you do know that is not Lutheran but Calvinist?

>>220850794
Calvinism and lutheranism are close.

>>220851420
they are actually not
catholic church and lutherans have made an agreement on justification but calvinists could never made one with either of the parties