me on the left
>yuro art>small pp>nigger art>big ppkek
not all yuropeans are equal lol
>>221035649Why attribute art to an arbitrary geographic region instead of the person who made it?
>>221035675me on the right
>>221035675>dying gaul>germanic
>>221035649Japanese art isn't t so skillful either yet chuds worship them
>>221035675Arent they supposed to be gauls doe?
>>221035675right is more accurate
>>221035706:0
>>221035726Looks like Jon Skolmen
>>221035757Why is that japanese statue making the finland pose?
>>221035757Problematic eyes
>>221035676because it's mostly the fruit of the culture in which said person lived in, reason why similar works are usually are concentrated in the same area and cultural vicinity.obviously the culture dick measuring is a retarded endeavor in this context of bragging to elevate your, usually, useless self to a higher, unearned, status
Why are chuds so disingenuous?
>>221035783>because it's mostly the fruit of the culture in which said person lived inNo it isn't its the fruits of the artist. Some random peasant had nothing to do with the sculpting of david just because they both liked drinking wine or someshit
>>221035764Solid reference, I keep forgetting he was actually pretty famous in Sweden too.
>>221035649You can see accounts like Radio Genoa aren't run by real Europeans just from the way they post. One senses the inner thirdieness.
>>221035842Well, it is to some extent indicative of relative social development.
>>221035649why did el*n turn off the country data for this subtard?
>>221035838Racism based on headcanon is amusing
>>221035842>No it isn't its the fruits of the artistI'm not saying the sculptures of Michelangelo aren't his, that they aren't the fruit of his hard work and talent but it's undeniable that what allowed him to be who he was, was the culture in which he lived and grew up in.If he was magically transferred in the middle of Botwsana as a child, and even gave him all the gear and free time necessary, even say to him to become a sculptor, he would not have made what he did growing up here, you can be sure of it.The peasant may not be a big contributor to the culture, but none the less, both the peasant and the artist live and are shaped by the culture they lived in, which is a collective effort of the people that lived before and specific individuals that excel above the rest to add to the collective cultural landscape, while still being shaped by it.
>>221035649blud really trying to mog with lil timmy :skull:
>>221035853Yeah, he was the jolly Norwegian in all the Lasse Åberg movies
>>221035934And yet the peasant could never have made what michaelangelo did even if gave him all the gear and free time necessary, even say to him to become a sculptor because again he wasnt michaelangelo.
>>221035675left: sovllessright: sovl
>>221036027Having the ability to "waste" labor on "unproductive" work like producing art is solidly indicative of social development, there's a reason the Dutch for example became so prominent in the arts when they took over as the European financial hub in the 17th and 18th centuries.
>>221035661FPBP
>>221036078Okay?
>>221035649>>221035757Art imitates life or something like that.
>>221036098The existence of the artistic genius is predicated on the existence of a large and relatively powerful idle class and a system of patronage.
>>221036144Yes i understand what material analysis is
>>221035675I assume the comparison between these two pieces is because they are from around the same time?There is a certain charm to the right, although the left is definitely better.
>>221036163Then why are you arguing against the Italian when he tries to explain Michelangelo's work by situating him in temporal and geographic particularity, though admittedly with a chauvinist bent?
>>221036224Because crediting creation to enviroments instead of individuals is stupid and only ever done for chauvinistic reasons.Humans are all shaped by the enviroment and there countless others that grew up and existed in the exact same enviroment that michaelangelo did. Yet there is only michaelangelo and one david.
>>221035649RadioGenoa is running by a Cambodian.
>>221036296>Yet there is only michaelangeloThat's the thing though, Michelangelo very much existed within an environment of urban proto-bourgeoisie with an extensive system of patronage that produced a number of renowned artists, just like in the Dutch Republic a little over a century later.
>>221036296>crediting creation to enviroments instead of individuals is stupidExcept in primitive cultures where the same kind of shit is reproduced by many people.Context is important.>Yet there is only michaelangelo and one david.But there are (or were) hundreds of painted pieces of pottery in Egypt, tons of the same x shit from y country, etc. Groups of people DID make similar things before the advancement of individual artists.
>>221036361>primitive cultures where the same kind of shit is reproduced by many peopleIt varies a ton and they do have their own art trends and memes.
>>221036349And it also ended up creating countless non-renowned artists whos works and names are completely lost to time
>>221036376But notice that you did say trends which means the people produce similar things, express similar ideas through art, etc.
>>221036361>But there are (or were) hundreds of painted pieces of pottery in Egypt, tons of the same x shit from y country, etc. Groups of people DID make similar things before the advancement of individual artists.Yeah because those individuals existed in similar enviroments plenty of other people existed in those enviroments aswell and yet never created anything.Our enviroment influences art but individuals are the ones who create it.
>>221035649not every country has access to marble to be fair
>>221036296>Because crediting creation to enviroments instead of individualsI did not do that though? I said that Michelangelo clearly was a talented individual but it's undeniable I'd say that he was also clearly shaped by the culture he lived within, in which yes, everyone partecipate in, however passively and in small percentage.Michelangelo was a great contributor to the culture he lived within, due to his talent, hard work and probably luck, but he was also shaped by it.Just looking at his work would clearly point to that, if he grew up in Japan, with again, all the right conditions for him to become an artist, while he would likely still be an excellent one, he wouldn't have produced anything even remotely close to the southern European culture influenced works he produced by living in Europe/Italy of the time.no matter one might want to be unaffected by those around him and that came before him, it's an unavoidable reality, you will be shaped by the people around you, which will be shaped by the people around them, which is why there are cultures to begin with.
>>221036744You are if you credit or call his art as "european" or "italian" art instead of michelangos.
>>221035757String eye is Korean, idiot
>>221036782but it is both of those things and also his.one thing doesn't exclude the other.
>>221036833It is exclusively michael angelos art. No one but him could've created it.
>>221036863and? Its culture played a huge part in shaping the works he produced.This has nothing to do with me, Italians, the state claiming his works as ours, or saying that Italians are better than anyone, I'm not saying that.Culture is something you're influenced by whether you like it or not, neither Michelangelo, nor me or you, have merit in regards for the contributions of those who came before us and influenced us, but none the less, they influenced us and shaped who we are.Michelangelo's works are clearly shaped by his environment, passed down knowledge and culture.This isn't me claiming him as ours, because as I said, there's no merit or agency in being born in x place and being subjected to x influence, but we're still heavily influence by the people that lived and influenced our cultural environment as opposed to people that didn't live or influence our cultural environmentThis doesn't me that therefore I can claim any of his merits, but it does mean that I live in an environment more heavily influenced by him, has he did with the Europeans that came before him.
>>221037108>has he did with the *Europeans that came before him.*let's just say people, since clearly it wasn't just Europeans that influenced the cultural environment he lived in.
>>221035649>Saaaar new ttwitt screenshodh from radiopajeeta veri impordant saaar
>>221035649why do africans live rent free in european heads?
>>221035649SHIEEET
Excellent excuse to share the photos I took of the Iberian art exhibition on my last visit to the National Archaeological Museum in Madrid.
>>221039401
Do u liek dis? These evil lizard monsters are my ancestors.
Spooky.
Handsome, sensitive young man.
>>221035661David's dick was deliberately made small, because you weren't supposed to focus on it, it's not the central piece of the art, meanwhile gorilla niggs literally can't think about anything else than MUH DICK.
Would you drink what they are offering you? To finally "see" beyond this realm?
Yes, you must drink!
>>221039526Dicklet cope
Drip.
>>221036785Shut up, Takeshi
I love horses.
>>221039572
Weird!
>>221035675>dying gaul>germanic>greek hellenic statue >roman sculptor i hate this fucking pic so much
Powerful.
>>221039620a child could carve that
Cute kitty ^_^
I miss her so much.>>221039643Maybe.
Hag.
Is this plagiarism?
>>221039687
>>221039687Very suspicious.
Small.
"Yes. I remember now."
Offerings.
>>221039784
>>221039784Details.
>>221039784>>221039799Ancient wargaming figurines
>>221039814Is this healer class?
More details.
>>221039859Uh oh, what is this? Someone should get RadioGenoa on the case of the Bantoid origin of the Iberian peoples.
>>221035649Me on the right with the pecker and skin tone of the guy on the left.
>>221035661Greeks considered small PPs kino aestetics. IDC, why I should stare at anyone else's wiener....
>>221035649my penis is 4 inches long when erect
>>221040329Ok, put it to good use!
>>221035675The right resembles cuman statues I often see herr
>>221035649>my ancestor :)
>>221035649>European and African artI guess the jeet behind that account was unaware about the concept of Ancient Greek herms and most of them not showing large penises were due to vandalism.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm_(sculpture)#/media/File:0007MAN-Herma.jpg
>>221035649Right would look more striking in your living room, women would inquiry about that strange artifact and you could impress them with your ethnographic knowledge. If you had the David in your living room it would just look kitsch
>>221035649>EuropeanMediterranean you mean? Snowapes can only wish
>>221035649>implying a black ''person'' could actually sculpt thatlmao it was probably some jew
>>221039618pretty sure the marble version of dying gaul is roman, the original hellenistic version was bronzealso hellenic =/= hellenistic, they are two different periods. the hellenistic period is characterized by non-greek people adopting greek culture.
>>221041461They fear the BGC!
>>221035915rare
Bumping this gem.
