What were they smoking to think this was a good idea?Great powers even struggle waging war against smaller nation. I don't think it ever happened in history that a smaller power just kamikaze'd themselves into a more powerful power.
>>221093850That's what you get when you put morons in power
>>221093850germany beat and destroyed the russian empire in 1917
>>221093850It worked until my great grandfather joined the beef from Siberia and pushed them back home
Nigga that has happened hundreds of times throughout history, what are YOU smoking?
Stalin taking a huge dump on the terms of Ribbentrop-Molotov happened. Hitler's hand was forced in this war
>>221093850"We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down"
>>221093875It didn't. Bolshevikes surrendered
>>221093850>I don't think it ever happened in history that a smaller power just kamikaze'd themselves into a more powerful power.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
>>221093850Why did they do it?
>We beat them in WW1 when we had to dedicate most of our troop strength to the western front, so 1v1ing them shouldn't be an issueThat was all they were thinking. Of course they forgot the fact that the entire reason they started WW1 in the first place is because the Imperial General Staff had correctly projected that Russia would be an unbeatable superpower capable of overrunning the rest of the continent by mid-century.
>>221093938Country with a war economy can't survive long without conquests
you westoids are just dumb and for some unclear reason you always attack them in winterwe took Moskwa in september and held it for 2 years, shit's not that hardHitler and Napoleon had skill issues
>>221093954The Russian Empire was a feudal shithole that couldn't industrialize fast enough like the USSR and would have subsequently lost to Nazi Germany.
>>221093938Literally because of you. You made them look super-weak in the winter war.
>>221094002Yeah, I wonder why neither Napoleon nor Charles XII nor Hitler learned any lessons from an "occupation" which barely lasted a year and succeeded only thanks to the fact that the country was in complete disarray following the interregnum period and relied heavily on help from a faction of traitors within Russia (which neither Napoleon nor Hitler could count on)
>>221093915>we lost 2 million men and collapsed into a civil war that destroyed the state while relinquishing control over half of eastern europe and finland but we didn't lose, actuallyromanov cope
>>221093938Germans are unironically evil
>>221094163The revolution happened and russians were still fightingAre you aware that Germany was also about to be destroyed?By 1917 famines were commonplace in Germany
>>221093850Experience from the Spanish civil war and Soviet-German exchange program. At least for planes the consensus was that Russians were good in aerodynamics but lacked good engines, avionics and quality control.
>>221093850>I don't think it ever happened in history that a smaller power just kamikaze'd themselves into a more powerful power.Have you heard of the Paraguayan War? Paraguay attacked Brazil by invading through Argentina. It’s one of the worst strategic decisions in military history
>>221094163>and collapsed into a civil war that destroyed the state while relinquishing control over half of eastern europe and finlandThe Bolsheviks did that
>>221094002Taking Moscow wouldn't have changed a thing. The Soviets would have just fallen back further into their territory where they had an abundance of natural resources to keep the war going. Germany would have eventually been pushed back due to overextending. They were doomed from the start. Churchill talked about this
>>221094271>>2210938503 reasons1. Hitler's ideological aim had always been in the East, not the West. He didn't want to fight France or the UK, or at least not before conquering Eastern Europe first to attain the living space and resources.2. In 1941, contrary to popular belief, the Axis had a manpower advantage and the Soviets a material advantage (by wide margins, in fact). However, the Axis leaders understood that Soviet tanks and airplanes were dogshit and indeed in the early stages of the war they got pummeled, which is how you end up with Nazi ace pilots claiming over 300 kills, probably exaggerated, but they did really annihilate a Soviet air force which on paper was massive.3. Hitler needed oil. The Axis was running out and their factories were running short of energy even with power cuts to the civilian population. The oil fields in the Caucasus were the only feasible solution.
>>221094002>muh winterretard retard retardNapoleon invaded in summer and by the time the first snows came in he had already lost half his army to attrition and battles (including Borodino, the deadliest battle of the Napoleonic wars).Hitler invaded in summer 1941, stayed winning in winter 1941, then a whole another year including winter 1942 and only in the winter of 1943 he lost at Stalingrad, and then he retreated during the summer of 1944.
>>221094331Nope. The civil war precedes the Bolsheviks
The rest of Europe had folded quite easily. France in particular, once Germany's great enemy, toast in a matter of weeks. They were riding a big high. The USSR had just been tamed by Finland and morale was very low. Hitler knew Stalin was in the dumps and that their army was not prepared. He hoped the same playbook would work: shock and awe, scare them into early terms, and the size of Russia was no longer as intimidating with mechanized divisions and planes.So these factors obviously were encouraging, particularly since Russia had always been the goal. He wanted to expand Germania into Poland/Russia not France or elsewhere.The thing I'm unsure about is how conscious they were of their limited oil resources. The whole thing depended on their ability to continue to fuel their mass mechanized divisions across a larger stretch of battlefield than before. Ultimately he had miscalculated how stubborn Stalin and the Soviets were compared to the west, it got dragged out, and they missed their window, but the window was actually there.
>>221093850hitler huffed his own supply
>>221094515In the end given how much they already had to consolidate it was a mistake. The bigger head scratcher was declaring war on the US without a real commitment from Japan, which ended up funding/fueling the USSR in a big way.
>>221093894>"We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing downThis is how Ukraine took Kursk lel.To be fair, it's how ruzzia took Crimea too.
>>221093938They didn't have a choice, the Soviets would eventually get stronger and launch their own invasion.
>>221094709>This is how Ukraine took Kursk lel.Except they didn't and had to run away while suffering catastrophic losses for the fiasco. And they didnt even get to the city
>>221095397Decades later and we still have zero evidence of that
>>221095755>Except they didn'tThey did take some villages, proving the Russian border guards and military corrupt & unprepared>suffering catastrophic lossesBoth sides suffer catastrophic losses for some narcissists' egomania
If they took Moscow the whole thing would collapse. Alt-hype made a video about it.
>>221094163>>221094331The civil war was our doing. The revolutions would have never been successful if Finland didn't provide the revolutionaries with funds and explosives and even sheltered political key figures of revolutionary movements.
>>221096049Wasn't even Lenin 1/4 finnish or some shit? I don't really remember
>>221095827>Germany stuck in a forever war with the UK, dwindling oil supplies and mounting occupation costs>The Soviets were going to just keep watching forever while eating popcorn
Barbarossa was a massive success, initially. Like a million troops surrounded and destroyed.The problem was Germany was already committed in all sorts of other places and had a whole seperate war going on in the west.It was a gamble on soviet fragility, which failed.What people don't talk about is how Germany up to that point depended on Soviet imports of all kinds of raw resources, including fuel. When it attacked the USSR it had cut off the branch it was standing on and was on a timer to capture and recover those sources of raw resources before they ran out. From food to oil.
germsissies bite off more than they could chew
>>221093850The craziest thing is that it would have worked if Stalin wasn't a schizo genius obsessed with building heavy industry at all costs, unironically the reason that the USSR became such a heavyweight in international affairs
>>221098892It also made the country completely collapse 50 years later
>>221098995trve but in fairness the choice seems clear between collapsing in 1941 and losing all your land and collapsing in 1991 and losing just most of your land
>>221097942>What people don't talk about is how Germany up to that point depended on Soviet imports of all kinds of raw resources, including fuel.This goes both ways, the Germans were also aware they were not self-sufficient and dependent on Soviet goodwill that was never guaranteed, and they were only going to grow more dependent
>>221094032kek
they did it for the love of the game, tried their best, had fun and that's what matters in the end
