The dream of fluency has departed. One day, in the future, I would even forget I ever even set foot on this journey.

>>221163084
What were you trying to learn? Something nobody around you speaks?

>>221163124
>Something nobody around you speaks?
no, I simply started having a j*b.

>>221163156
Yeah I feel that. What I could learn in 3 months now becomes one year all because of the 40hr work week.

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Does anyone here have regrets learning another language? either the one you learn now or one that you gave up on?

>>221164733
Sviđa mi se.

Hvala ti srpski buraz.

Vježbaš li srpski svaki dan?

My personal problem is that I literally can't talk to anyone on language exchange apps that isn't a cute girl but at the same time I rationally know that most girls are boring and most conversations are about the same stuff. If I talked to guys I would talk about more broader and interesting topics that would have a long-term positive impact on my language skills but for some reason I just can't be arsed talking to dudes. I need the tingling sensation and validation of talking to a chick in her native language to maintain a long-term exchange commitment or at least to force me make the effort to practice in the first place.

>>221156760
鳌太线是吗?我也喜欢看。死的人大部分都是新人,啥准备都没有就去那么危险的地方。

Another day of self-doubting whether to keep up with Mandarin, move onto Japanese, or go back to Korean grinding. I'll keep studying new cards up until I finish the HSK4 vocabulary, at least.
I actually really enjoy grinding the Mandarin graded readers and feeling the obvious gains in reading speed and comprehension, but it being learner materials feels like I'm playing some sort of arbitrary game rather than building up towards native material I want to read.
CDramas and webnovelslop doesn't interest me at all, and I've been searching and it looks like contemporary Mandarin literature isn't /that/ great, so other than conversations with the HelloTalk qts, and the possibility of traveling there, I don't know what content would make me stick with the language.
I'm not a weeb but I know there's worthwhile mangas out there, and I've already read a lot of contemporary Japanese novelists in translation.
Main downside of Japanese/Korean for me is that their women are so much more coy and harder to get and keep in touch with than Chinese. And in Spain there so much more than Chinese than any other Asian.
Sheez I wish I never became a yellowfever orientalist idiot. Every language feels equally useless in terms of monetary gain so as long as I'm studying one and not being paralyzed it'll still be a fine hobby.

>>221164969
>>221163156
Boo hop niggas. Try doing literally anything with kids (even though it’s worth it).

>>221169497
Don't stop, fuck Japanese. Japanese would literally take twice of the effort of Chinese.

Anyone sharing my experience here? >>221168821

>>221171646
Maybe I'm just an autist but I don't know what to talk about with anyone on language learning apps, regardless of if they're a guy or girl lol.

>>221171646
I don't talk to girls.
I would if they would respond to me.

>>221171646
which portuguese workbook are you using for studying?

and i had the same observations about talking with men vs women on the apps, but i went with talking with dudes because i wanted to learn :'(

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>>221169339
鳌太线、罗布泊、玉珠峰,各地危险山和无人区。
还有很多因为想打卡而死亡的,太可惜了

>>221169497
contemporary literature has good stuff, films too.
if you are just learning Chinese/Japanese/Korean for sex though you are dumb

>>221171812
this

Hej

should I learn spanish

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>>221172705
learn proto-spanish instead

>>221172502
I feel confident in finding literature, specially because I am able to search the kind of stuff that gets translated into Korean and gets good reviews. But I'd welcome any drama and film recommendations. Everything I find online seems to be romanceslop aimed to women, and I've never liked 1-hour Asian drama format... Maybe variety shows are a better bet for me? I have no idea about Chinese media.

>>221170921
In the olden days you could just tell your wife to watch them.

>>221168821
I'm the opposite, I can really only talk to men these days and struggle to find topics to talk to women about. Although strangely enough I talk to Uber drivers who are women in a rather verbose manner with a lot of input coming from both sides

Do people say "a que hora" or just "que hora"? Mexican spanish only btw as I live in Arizona.

Are there any good Spanish speaking discords? Preferably autistic ones filled with the sort of people you would find here.

>>221173230
人民的名义(2016) is good

Chinese TV dramas are different from those in other countries for many reasons. Basically, the shows here are tailor-made for women—95% of them are targeted at a female audience.

十宗罪(罪全书)As for novels, I recommend this one. It's a thriller crime story based on real Chinese cases with some dramatic adaptation. Its main feature is that it's incredibly bizarre.
I've been listening to the audiobook lately, and I'm totally hooked. It reminds me of watching a guy getting his throat slit on the streets of Guangzhou 15 years ago—it's absurd, yet so real.

>>221173366
Spanish fag here, I want to help because I don't know if you'll get any latino to answer.
what are you trying to ask? if you're trying to ask "At what time (does something happen)?" -> '¿A qué hora (es/nos vemos/empieza/etcétera)?'. Without the 'a' preposition the sententence feels incomplete. This question assumes some kind of previous context. The 'a' preposition hints at some action mentioned earlier in the conversation.
IF you are trying to ask what time is it, it'd just be "¿Qué hora es?", and I don't think any regions omit the verb when asking the time.

>>221173230
Thanks for the recommendations, it looks great. Searching online I saw other people talk about Chinese crime novels too, I guess that and its drama adaptations could be good for me.

>>221173366
at least here is "A que hora" (Im in Colombia, ignore my flag)

No matter how much input I have in my TL, my speaking doesn’t seem to naturally improve (besides my accent). Help. Is it just a matter of speaking more?

>>221170921
>even though it’s worth it
No it isn't lol
Especially if you are a monolingual betacuck

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>>221162431
Fuck it, I just got fired and I decided to use the extra time to go hyper on learning. My main strategy will bee GOONMAXXing my f95 backlog in my tl

bros im gonna energy heal you with this reiki and you will be super set on learning your language into overdrive

>>221173230
tv dramas suck, I would stick to films and (proper) books not light novels TBQHWY
余华 is good for beginners bc he uses simple language

>>221173230
I watched 血色浪漫 a while ago and I found it decent. It was especially interesting because of the period it depicts.

>>221174950
Thank you!

should I restart with learning chinese? I took a lvl A.1.1 class but the lazy fuck I am I never studied for it. now im regretting that and want to start again. Still have the textbook + the audio for the exercices, that I plan on redoing myself but can any kind anons recommend me some other tools like Hellochinese to practice until I can rejoin a course next semester?

>>221173230
There's that TV series based on the three kingdoms period that's supposed to be pretty good, though I haven't gotten around to watching it myself. The three body problem books were genuinely great, though I did read an English translation but the way the author managed to reinvent the series through time and and space is really well done.
The Chinese video game industry seems to be on the way up as well, I'm genuinely having a lot of fun playing infinity nikki (though in the Japanese translation) but that might be too girly for you.

>>221176344
be ready to do 1 hour+ just for the Hanzi on Anki

>>221173230
There's romance slop for women and cultivation slop for men and that's pretty much it. I've tried to get into Chinese media several times and if there's good stuff out there then it's impossible to find because it's buried under thousands and thousands of cultivation stories.

EMERGENCY BUMP

>>221171812
try being hot

>>221174529
you need dedicated output practice. Shadowing, whatever the fuck chorusing is, etc. I'm not the most apt person to recommend this, but I do regret not actually grinding output somehow when I was invested in Korean. But back then I always worried about comprehension.

>>221175124
yeah I keep seeing people recommend 余华 as an early read, thanks

>>221175793
actually looks good. Thanks. I'm curious about historical stuff, I know there's some huge drama about Xi Jin Ping's father during the great march or something like that and supposedly it's an amazing propaganda production

>>221176344
I had a semester of Chinese like a decade ago and I'm pretty sure that I surpassed whatever I learnt then in barely a week of just anki and DuChinese super basic stories. I don't like the duolingo-style apps like HelloChinese, but some people seem to love it. There's a rutracker torrent of pirated ChineseZeroToHero courses, basically it goes through the hsk books, check it out

>>221179341
it takes me less than 30 minutes daily to do ~120 reviews and 20 new cards on anki. I've never understood people that say they spend +1 hour on anki, unless they do absurd amounts of new cards

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bedtime bump

I'm at a decent level in Chinese, I have some extra time currently and decided to take on a beginner Spanish course. I'm feeling just not that inspired by it desu and wishing I was learning another Asian language. Aside from Chinese I'm a perennial dabbler, I like the idea of picking another language to learn but struggling to commit to one. I've at various times thought about
Vietnamese: large diaspora here, easy to go there to travel, good food, can leverage my Chinese knowledge pretty well to learn it, great respect for the people.
Korean: just sounds cool, like the food, also decent size diaspora but not as much as Viet. More issues with culture (conservative, misogyny, materialistic, lot of religious nuts).
Spanish: theoretically important language to know globally but in reality don't have that much exposure to language in my country. Doesn't feel that cool, no aura.
Russian: literally no reason to learn it other than aura.

Anyway I'll finish my beginner Spanish course. 30h. I should know some decent basics by then and i can just drop it having given the language a good try. Either that or I'll get into it the more I learn.

>>221162431
Anyone want to help me learn Romanian

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Is there any untranslated stuff in French that is worth seeing? One cool thing about the CJK languages is that they have a lot of really interesting untranslated stuff that motivates you hard to learn them, but everything worth seeing/reading in French seems to have nice translations already. Thoughts?

>>221179341
>>221183384
thanks guys, will look into Anki and the chinesezerotohero courses

Remember when we made fun of memelangers?
Now everyone is boring learning some businessmaxxing language like spanish or chinese.
Remember when we made fun of conlangers?
Now nobody is even talented enough to understand basic linguistic to even attempt it.
How did /lang/ fall so hard? It is truly over.

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>>221187929
Translations are cuck shit, you're getting a second-hand interpretation of the real thing. It's like letting someone else fuck your girlfriend and then tell you what it was like.

>>221188857
What's your def of a memelang?

>>221188857
Wasn't there a guy learning esperanto on here like yesterday? And you don't need to understand linguistics to understand a conlang, the same as any other language.

>>221186234
is there a reason you're learning romanian? not trying to discourage you, it's by far my favourite language, but not exactly one used by philosophers, scientists and artists

>buy hellotalk vip just to try it out, to see if they are intentionally reducing matches for free users
>i have matches the way that I did 4 years ago on HelloTalk, free mode
JUST

>>221162431
why do you people not put /lang/ in the subject makes this thread so fking hard to find.

>>221187929
Marcel Aymé, but there is one short story collection that has been translated
Gautier

>>221188857
This is cope.
More popular languages can be equally interesting if not more interesting than memelangs with under a million speakers. Most of the people here learning Chinese aren't doing it for business reasons. Also, memelangers usually didn't stick at their learning for more than a year and only did the most basic essentials.
Learning a conlang does not teach you linguistics, in fact espertransto and tranny pona are oversimplified and will teach you next to nothing. It is better to learn natural linguistics from real languages not artificial conlangs.

Current Lang is doing fine we just need more challenges and for certain posters not to forget the subject

>>221171976
Gramática Ativa 1 & 2 (Brazilian version). Pretty good to go through the grammar once and be done with it, so you are primed for all the grammar you will encounter while immersing.

I once wrote a pretty long post explaining how popular language are popular for a reason and while there definitely are a few smaller languages that are punching above their weight and some major ones underperforming (like Arabic) the general trend holds and there are generally only a handful of languages that have vast and strong high literature traditions, significant popular culture output as well as global presence, while minor languages won't even have actually available learning material. However if you know what you are getting into it's fine, if for example you are an autist with a linguistic hyperfixation.

Alexander Argüelles used to have this list of 6/7 languages a master polyglot should learn and the last one of his list, is supposed to a minor or even an endangered language because him seeing Polyglotism is a quasi social movement argued that one part of the True Polyglot Experience(TM) is to master the challenge of doing exactly that learning and mastering an obscure language, outside of your cultural sphere to connect with a distant and foreign population and also contribute to the survival of their language community.

>>221167125
Vežbaš je ako želiš srpski baš, u hrvatskom ti je ije i je u srpskom samo e , npr. hrv vrijeme srp vreme

>>221188857
>Now everyone is boring learning some businessmaxxing language like spanish or chinese.
Chinese is interesting, but quite a lot of people here are still learning meme languages like Scottish Gaelic and German.
>Remember when we made fun of conlangers?
Rightfully so
>Now nobody is even talented enough to understand basic linguistic to even attempt it.
Linguistic knowledge is for nerds, and nerds are unwelcome here.

You can't seriously learn to play a guitar very well after age 22. There are no great guitarists who didn't have an early start in their life. What makes you think you can learn a new language to fluency at 30?

>>221194888
Imagine being a doomer about languages lmao

>>221194888
>You can't seriously learn to play a guitar very well after age 22. There are no great guitarists who didn't have an early start in their life.
Not strictly guitarists but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_bloomer#Music
Additionally, if you have ever seen a charity brass band (i.e. Salvation Army), quite a lot of members pick up their instruments much later than their formative years.

>>221195072
None of the examples here are actually good

>>221195180
Move the goal post some more mate. Maybe that will make you feel better about your life

>>221194888
this all or nothing mentality is more damaging than anything else. Just because you won't become an absolute expert in something doesn't mean you should do it. Beside most of us here won't make it to fluency regardless so your point is moot.

>>221195180
How do you define good? Becoming a famous musician? Less than 0.4% of musicians get good in that case. I just want to be fluent in another language, it's not really that ambitious of a goal.

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Chud Mentality:
I will never be fluent in my TL so i won't learn it.
Chad Mentality:
I will never be fluent in my TL so i'll make it extinct.

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>>221195469
>I will never be fluent in my TL so i'll make it extinct.
uhhh, based

>we just need more challenges and for certain posters not to forget the subject
kek

>>221193097
thanks, ill take a look at it. i don't have any grammar workbooks and have thought of getting one to refresh / force myself to actually practice.

>>221193867
Hvala Vam na primjedbi. Želim učiti standardni hrvatski, zato sam pričao ijekavicom. Hvala, hrvatski buraz.

>>221194888
a language is not a musical instrument

pronouns are gay

>>221196480
Anon (he/him) is a faggot

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>>221196599
Look at this and tell me it isn't gay

>>221196659
A lil gay. Just a smidge.

>>221195233
I said, "You can't seriously learn to play a guitar very well after age 22," in my first post. I did in fact include the quality ("to play ... very well") of the skill.

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>>221196659
you can't farm (you)'s like this, it's unbecoming of you. don't go after latin pronouns. why, you may ask? just don't, they just work. 1st, 2nd, is ea id is self-explanatory, qui quae quod is ambiguous, it doesn't matter, hic haec hoc is referring to something right next or close by, iste ista istud is referring to something nearby or somewhere not too far off, ille illa illud is for far away things. can i properly use them? no

>>221197478
farming (you)s is good for /lang/ otherwise the thread will die

>>221197478
>two (You)s
>farming
That's not even enough for dinner

Whatever happened to that Canadian who was miffed their Polish pursuits were for naught or something because of some rule changes?
Are they still alive lol? They said they'd off themselves

>>221199592
gave up in January and hasn't been seen since

>>221199862
RIP, hope they're doing well at whatever pursuit has replaced language learning frfr

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我读了银河英雄传说第一册的首50页。
中文翻译可惜有许多错误。编辑很差。

>>221201237
多可惜呢,日文中文译本一般来说质量不错的,甚至比起英文译本更好。Murakami的《金阁寺》中文译本我觉得翻译得很好,译文带着浓厚的感情,描述也很完美。
或许是机器/AI翻译?

>>221201571
>或许是机器/AI翻译
不是啊,我非常讨厌AI。是一家真正的出版社。
其实我觉得问题并不在于编辑,而是在于scan机器出了问题,因为错误的大部分都是这样的,比如说用目替代自等等。这种错误大概不是因为有真人写错了,目和自的拼音不是同样的。大概是和scan机器有关的问题。
毕竟我读的是一个盗版(嘿嘿)。

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>>221194888
Brutal blackpill is that this extends to everything. Who you are at 22 is who you will be forever. There's just no more space left up there for anything big or meaningful. Maybe you'll be able to learn how to operate the new space TV remote with enough coaching from your grandchildren, but for all intents and purposes, your life is over at 22. It's over, you don't lack "motivation", your brain is just disabled, you're trying to climb at a 90 degree angle with your fingers covered in slippery oil. Just give up already.

>>221202004
还有可能是ebook变到pdf时出了问题

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>>221202157
>Who you are at 22 is who you will be forever
Not really. I was a retard stoner at 22.
Now I have a physics bachelors and a optics masters and work in defence.
I couldn't do integrals when I was 22. I can do shit now I would have never thought back then.
Its only over when you decide so.

>>221202924
you don't get it. when you turn 21 to 22 at the exact moment on your birthday, your brain undergoes carbonization. it literally turns into a s rockhard stone. your neurons freeze and lockup and no new memories are skills can be formed. don't take what you have for granite.

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>>221202157
Help me with the last panel

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Actually, no need

Warum ist die französische Sprache so verdammt hässlich und widerlich?

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>>221188857
>Now everyone is boring learning some businessmaxxing language like spanish or chinese.

I have had my share of experiences with non indoeuropean smaller languages but now I want to maximize my western European heritage by learning Spanish. True, half a billion speakers, but let's get real: it is the second most spoken language in the US and Mexico is replacing China for american industrial relocations. This will be enough for the next 20 years.
After Spanish, if I still want/need, I can learn French for vacations (I don't believe in Africa's development) or portuguese for Brazil.

No more insane marathons to learn absurdly hard languages with thousands of hanzi, or weird tones, or only consonants alphabets and God's knows what weird ass shit you can find.

Western Europe dominated the world so its languages are always a good investment for a fraction of time and money of other languages. Chinese or arab have the same thanks to second generations.

Stick to your own I say and let few experts or nerds with too much free time dwell on such time and money black holes.

>>221204801
>Chinese or arab have the same competition thanks to second generations.

>>221202004
那肯定是扫描软件的问题。应该就是原文扫描时出这些错误。我读扫描的pdf时经常遇到此类问题,早已习惯了。

>>221204801
>mexico will replace china
oh I am laffin

I give up on German, it's just too hard

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>>221205674
What did you expect being older than 22?

>>221205674
Lol

>>221205674
So what are we learning now?

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>>221205674
>I give up on German, it's just too hard

>>221205674
>>221207156
My suggestions: Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese

>>221208039
If Jordie gets filtered by German, he will get filtered by all Nordics, and likely all Romance languages.
I think he should give Indonesian a go. Its simple enough that he might actually last more than a week.

>>221202924
the actual age that this is true for is 28-32 not 22. you still have plenty of plasticity until then. but turning 30 really is watching a door close on you

>>221194888
You are right, that's why you should leave this general and site.

>>221208180
I think that the case system might be a problem, especially if you want relatively quick progress at the beginning of learning to hook you up
>>221208320
fuck.

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>>221194888
there are literal 70 year olds who learn languages to fluency

you can't learn to full perfect native level after like age 6 but there is no need to learn to a perfect native level

day 3 and i am already struggling with anki. is 50 new words a day not realistic to keep up? how many do you guys do?

>>221208180
toki pona seems like a good fit for him, to be quite honest with you. both the creator and jordie have something in common.

>>221208704
>you can't learn to full perfect native level after like age 6 but there is no need to learn to a perfect native level

Absolutely this. Perfect native level is highly overrated desu.
C1 is good enough for most applications . Aiming above that seems like a waste of effort most of the time.
Also lets be real about it. Perfect language skills are rare even among natives. I sure know that I fuck up polish often. Anglos confusing they're, their and there is a meme for a reason too.
Perfect is the worst enemy of good. And good is good enough. Thanks for reading my blog

>>221208754
50 is too much
20 is sustainable long term, can increase to 30-40 if you are preparing for an exam

>>221208754
according to my stats my daily averages are 63 new mined sentence cards, 597 total card reviews at 89% retention rate

>>221194888
Yeah that's why i stick with language learning
Sometimes I think I should pick up another hobby but then I realise it's basically impossible at my age so I stick with language learning

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Is this good advice?

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This languages syntax is bizarre

>>221210076
I really strongly recommend just sentence mining instead of doing isolated vocabulary decks, even at a very early level. Words are not random isolated units governed by a set of rules, languages are complicated networks where units only have meaning in relation to other units. There is no such thing as actually learning a word in isolation. This is especially true for japanese which is a very alien non indo-european language that has many words with no real equivalent in english.

Likewise its a heavily agglutinative language so learning the unit by itself is not going to guarantee that you will actually recognize it (even if you know it) in real japanese speech if youre not mentally accustomed to where it fits in in a sentence

>>221205674
I'm so fucking disappointed in you, man. I was really rooting for you this time.

>>221210076
If you're starting from scratch then it will probably take time before you can do 20 new cards a day. Kanji are a nightmare at first and it'll take awhile before you get good at identifying them. In the beginning I struggled to do even 8 new cards a day.
Although it's possible I'm just stupid lol.

Is there any language that's suitably easy for lazy fucks?

>>221210651
indonesian or swedish

>>221210664
Is Swedish really that easy? I’ve also heard that Norwegian is even easier. But both languages have tons of dialects, and the pronunciation seems difficult. They even have a pitch accent, which I really like, but that’s an extra obstacle

>>221210651
French
Download French for Reading by Karl Sandberg

>>221210651
Indonesian.
Most Germanic languages.
French or Italian or Spanish. Romanian if you feel so inclined.

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>>221205674
Give up on giving up, get your shit together and go back to learning German regardless of how difficult it is

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i should be learning chinese instead of japanese
i chose my animes over an actual employable skill

>>221211660
chinese has a trillion native speakers, they'd just hire one over you. another reason to follow your passions.

>>221211660
in my hubris i chose all 3

>>221211660
Learn both, take the Orientpill

Is it okay to use chat gpt to explain certain sentences in Japanese? Agglutinative languages are too hard to make sense of sometimes

>>221210831
>Download French for Reading by Karl Sandberg
I've been interested in this. Is it good if you're actually learning the language and not an academic trying to quickly get important info from French texts?

>>221211660
Are there enough Chinese tourists to Greece to make it worthwhile? Depending on your field, it's possible that Japanese is more valuable because there are more people who speak both Mandarin and English than there are people who speak both English and Japanese.

>>221211677
i just got a job from being able to speak Chinese (not the sole reason but it definitely helped). lots of native speakers also creates more demand for Chinese speakers too so even being non native its still of use. But I never set out learning Chinese to get a job, i don't think thats a good reason.

>>221210651
no language is suitable for lazy fucks tbqh desu

>>221212295
It's main weakness is it doesn't teach you anything about how French is pronounced, and French has some weird pronunciation. Particularly with its verbs and how you pronounce the different conjugations.

>>221212186
yes? I use Gemini because it has faster google search, but i don't see why not.

>>221210761
>I’ve also heard that Norwegian is even easier
Sounds like bullshit it's basically the same language
>But both languages have tons of dialects
Norwegian has a fuck load of dialects but Swedish basically has very little dialects outside of maybe the ones in finland. Most people juet speaks standard Swedish with a bit of local flavor these days.
>pronunciation seems difficult
Well I've never met a foreigner who had perfect pronunciation unless they moved here before age 10 or so. But people generally don't seem to have an issue getting good enough at it that they can be easily understood. I work with a lot of people who moved here as adults and they are all easy to understand even if you can clearly hear that they are not born here. The only people I've encountered who had such thick accents that they were difficult to understand where Chinese and Vietnamese speakers.

>>221214242
some dude fled the us air force in like his mid 20's and got stuck in sweden permaenntly. 30 years later having never left sweden he now not only speaks perfect swedish but can't even speak english without an accent

https://youtu.be/uQs6qwsFyXU?si=F9crYQUQrQT32Bsn

>>221210761
Norwegian grammar might a bit simpler, but it's fairly minor. Swedish has more plural endings, for example. People often assume Norwegian must be more conservative since it has more of a trve Viking association (because less stuff is preserved from here, probably), but it's often the other way around. Swedish kept plural verb forms until pretty recently as well. Newspapers got rid of them like 80 years ago.

>>221215493
Less stuff in terms of Old West Norse vs. Old East Norse at least. More runestones here.

>>221212340
There's no way you can possibly be this delusional

>>221211660
I'm still focusing on Mandarin, but as a 'treat' I've started to do 5 cards a day of the Kaishi 1.5k Japanese deck. I figured that if people like to bullshit with Duolingo, I might as well bullshit with an Anki deck (and quieten my inner discourse about whether to study Japanese)

>>221215368
He has a stronger accent than many Swedes in English. Throws in ja's and stuff as well. Must've integrated pretty well at least.

>>221203780
>>221203847
gem

>>221215368
>that video, his messed up American English accent
holy shit.

>>221215368
He doesn't speak any Swedish in the video so its impossible to say how good it is though...
>>221212186
It's really hit and miss and sometimes it makes up the most ridiculous explanations for grammar and you probably won't be able to catch it since it's a confident bullshit machine and I'm guessing you're a beginner.

>>221214242
>Well I've never met a foreigner who had perfect pronunciation unless they moved here before age 10 or so
It's over. But But is it more due to vowel pronunciation, or the melody of the language and the pitch accent or something else? Scandinavian languages also have a smaller community than, for example, Japanese, where all you have to do is type a word or sentence into Google and it will show you a graph with the pitch accent or to use tons of ready to use resources and blueprints made by Japanese learners
>>221215493
>because less stuff is preserved from here, probably
I think it's because Sweden is known for more things than Vikings, and in the case of Norway, the only association left is with Vikings and cheese (no offense Norwegians)

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>>221169497
I've been learning Thai using comprehensible input videos, but there's a nagging feeling sometimes that I should learn Japanese instead.

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I can't stop wanting to learn more languages

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>>221205140
是的,大概是扫描软件。 错误有点麻烦,但我的了解却不错。只是阅读的速度有点慢,一天之内读一,两个小时,也只不过读完3到4页。
反正,银英传的10册之内还剩下2150页哈哈……
>>221215740
I figured I'd take up Nipponese at some point as well. Or Russian. But I'd like to take hsk6 first. I passed hsk4 about two years ago, but got a little rusty in the meantime.

>>221218615
Same lol
My war fr

>>221218615
same cuz. what langs you hittin right now?

>>221218620
换个书吧,那么慢也不止于你下那么大的功夫硬读。
I took HSK6 last year and passed with 85%, you should be able to do it with a bit of revision.

>>221219433
thats impressive anon! what was your method? did you self study or have tutor? did you do on computer or handwritten?

>>221219552
I was taking classes for Chinese at the time but they were not HSK classes
My method was mostly anki and mock questions, I did about half an hour of anki every day
>Download entire anki deck for HSK6, 2500 cards
>Eliminate cards I already knew, about 30%
>60 days until the exam, start with 30 cards a day
>Increase to 40 about halfway through
>One mock a week in the last 4 weeks
>Doing a few practice questions a day as well (mostly listening and writing) in the last few weeks
>All the mocks I passed
>Finished anki all new cards a week before the exam
>Exam score is higher than all my mocks
I did a computer test because I was in China. There's no reason to do a handwritten test because the writing section is so much easier on computer. My marks were:
>Reading 90/100
>Writing 86/100
>Listening 82/100
Writing was higher than my mark in the mocks which was usually around 75. Maybe the real examiners are more lenient? Anyway listening is the hardest part.

>>221219744
nice one. did you do it for certification reasons or for yourself? i have no reason to do the test but might do it one day just for the sense of achievement.

>>221219818
mostly for the qualification, bc it's useful when looking for jobs and this year (final year of uni) I would be way too busy to prepare for it alongside other exams and work. Last year when I had much less to do was definitely the better time to do it, I was the first person in my uni cohort to pass it and only like 2-3 people are doing it this summer because of their other workload AND they have to do it handwritten bc there is no computer test here
it actually costs quite a lot of money to take the test, about 100 pounds so roughly 200 AUD. the qualification also expires two years after you take the test (but that's not super important unless you want to do a uni course in China in which case you will have to take it again). So I would only do it if you actually need it in the future, otherwise you are spending a lot of money on something you might have to do again in 2 years. I really wouldn't want to have to do the entire grind again, so if I ever do want to do a masters in China and need HSK I will just do 7-8-9

>>221219433
>换个书吧,那么慢也不止于你下那么大的功夫硬读。
我不要啊,我对银英传很感兴趣。而且,这本书的说法比我以前读的更正式,对我的水平很有帮助。我会坚持到底。我每天期待读下一些页。
>I took HSK6 last year and passed with 85%, you should be able to do it with a bit of revision
我明年试一试

>>221217398
It's really difficult to pinpoint a single issue when talking about really advanced learners who are basically like native speakers besides that slight thing in their voice that tells you that they're a foreigner. It's probably a combination of very small errors in all of those things.
Though it's interesting to compare to Japanese since I've studied it extensively, and never got the obsession some people seem to have with the concept of pitch there, but it always just seemed like a normal part of proper pronunciation to me.

>>221221037
Yeah, a lot depends on the native language. Anglophones have trouble with pure vowels, like in Italian, Spanish, Polish, and Japanese. Poles probably have their own specifics too. As for pitch accent, I've heard that it's easy to learn if you focus on pronunciation from the start and imitate native speakers, and then you might not even know what pitch accent is and use it correctly. And there are some Poles in Scandinavia, do you know if they have an ok accent?
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>>221205674
So?

>>221203780
Make the chud say "Donde está el baño" in the last panel.

>>221208704
Steve Kaufmann hasn't learned a language to fluency in over a decade, possibly more. He's become the ultimate dabbler, studying 15 different languages concurrently, not making much progress on any.

Why are you guys hiding the secret to perfectly learning a langauge in less than a month? Why won't somebody just tell me. It's not nice of you. I know you all know it.

>>221220242
那你加油吧

>>221221747
if you tell learners about pure vowels they will fix their problems, the issue esp with Spanish is that so many people are told "it's just the same as English but j is h" and they have terrible pronunciation

>>221222150
pavlovian gooning

>>221222150
because if we tell you, you'll go run off to make a premium language learning ai app and put us all out of business.
(the secret is enjoying the language)

>>221222286
I think the problem, especially in the Anglosphere, is the acceptance of dilettantism and saying that pronunciation doesn't matter or anything else that requires attention, time or effort doesn't matter