What are your thoughts about Korea? Online, I see a lot of pessimism from citizens of that nation about their societies future. Low birth rates, stifling work and academic culture, intense competition, high expectations, high stress, constant comparison where they feel always have to focus on climbing to be elite/successful. Having lived there for several years, I have a much more pessimistic view on the future of USA.I don't want to downplay or deny the existence of rather serious social issues in South Korea. It's moreso I have a higher level of confidence in their populace. Overall while the impression I got of Korea was many unhappy and stressed out people, but also got the understanding that many were highly competent on average they were capable, and had decent awareness and intelligence. I think a paradigm shift will be inevitable in their future, and society won't collapse. Meanwhile, having grown up in and lived in USA most of my life, I have the complete opposite impression about USA. Americans are on average very stupid, very fat, very aggressive, short-sighted, selfish, easily manipulated, deeply hateful and spiteful, have insane beliefs, etc. At the end of the day, what matters most is who your country is actually made up of. The situation is even more dire if you look at the youth, who are the true future of a country. When you spend time around the younger Americans, you are left with a feeling of such intense hopelessness and despair at the thought that these are the humans who will inherit the future. Not to be mean, but the youngest citizens here seem completely and utterly dysfunctional and broken. I get the feeling basic infrastructure will no longer be able to be maintained here in the next 50yrs. Tl;dr: USA is far more doomed than South Korea, even though online people seem to talk about Korea as a sinking ship way more than they talk about how cooked USA is.Feel free to share your thoughts!
>>221182199Both countries are doomed
>>221182199>What are your thoughts about Korea?I've never been but I've known people who are both ethnically Korean and from Korea virtually everywhere I have been my entire life. I weirdly see the presence of Koreans in my life to be some sort of sign from God that I'm at the right place at the right time. They're probably some of my favorite people; they're always nice and friendly, they're always open to being edgy unlike most other Americans, and they tend to be smart and well-adjusted while also having an interesting pop culture and general culture. I respect them more than almost any other group of people.>I think a paradigm shift will be inevitable in their future, and society won't collapse.It helps because they're densely populated, relatively small, and culturally homogenous like Japan or China. In 100 years there will still be a distinctively Korean Korea, the same cannot be said of many other places. Hell NK is somehow still doing midcentury Marxism-Leninism/Stalinism and there's no signs of it collapsing or going away because of how tightly unified the country is culturally.The U.S really isn't comparable. The U.S had a choice between being the biggest Anglo country with some quirky minorities or becoming the biggest Latin American country and being Brazil with nukes and guns, and every faction of U.S politics has consistently chosen the latter since the 1960s.
>>221183123>They're probably some of my favorite people; they're always nice and friendly, they're always open to being edgy unlike most other Americans, and they tend to be smart and well-adjusted while also having an interesting pop culture and general culture. I respect them more than almost any other group of people.Same. And good points. I agree with you and that difference is exactly why I'm optimistic about the future of Korea and pessimistic about the future of the United States. At the end of the day, it is a country filled with Korean people. They'll probably figure things out and make it work. Can't say the same about this country. At all. I believe at this point even American people who are usually unaware and not introspective at all are starting to intuitively get the feeling that this society is a sinking ship.
>>221182199boomdoomer whining
I think it's kinda funny how mad they get online over the small penis jokes, but I also kinda don't blame them. Considering their country may or not be controlled by a feminist death cult and all the girls turn themselves into plastic surgery abominations, or however the marines are microed.
Does anyone know why bogging is such a problem in SK more than any other part of the world?
>>221187528>why bogging is such a problem in SK more than any other part of the world?it's news to me
>>221182199Your country has cities like San Francisco and Boston, which attract world-class intellectuals who develop scientific technologies and drive innovation.
>>221188726>San Francisco and Boston>world-class intellectuals LMAO maybe 40 years ago. Both instutions in those areas have been rotted out by greed and ideology to where China is eating our lunch. Hell Berkeley is slightly better than Harvard or MIT in those regards these days.
>>221188863You don't know how fucked up other universities in other countries.
>>221189266I agree, I do not. I can only extrapolate a bit from the stories I've heard. But I will toss that right back at you. You have no idea how much of a circus universities here in USA have become. I don't want to be a /pol/ type, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Largely it is due to obsession with "equity" and social justice that our universities have thrown out everything and become hollowed out decaying shells of their former glory. Perhaps you're imagining some hollowed institution of intellectual curiosity, rationalism, and exceptionalism. Instead it is moreso a mixture between a daycare for spoiled/sheltered adult-children and a government grant money collecting resrarch paper factory. It's true that good research still comes out of such places and that highly intelligent and competent individuals collect in such places, but the sad reality is these days they have limited agency in many cases are suppressed and stuck playing politics. There's very much two tier system at play, for the majority of non-graduate students it's a total clownshow and giant scam. The administration are shrewd businessmen who sold out the integrity of these names for short term profit. Furthermore, the remaining competent staff are retiring, dying, or in a few cases being bullied out because they're no longer convenient to keep around due to new societal sensibilities.
>>221189422Hallowed*
>>221189422Innovation has always occurred among the top 20 percent of individuals at Harvard, MIT, and Stanford, and most of the talented students who were to be smart in South Korea have leaked into those research labs. Like, I've noticed that many students who won medals at the Olympiad go on to attend top universities in your country. OK, I mean, some parts of your universities are definitely a scam, but I shouldn't overlook some of the real talents. And the level of accumulated data and technology held by America's big tech companies is on a different dimension, and there is a gap of several years with South Korea.And we are losing a bloody amount of intelligence simply because our mother tongue is not English.
>>221182199One thing I'd say is that the Koreans you’ve met may be a biased sample, because English speaking Koreans tend to be more smarter or globally exposed than the average Korean living in Korea
>>221189697>most of the talented students who were to be smart in South Korea have leaked into those research labs.Anon they don't go there because these places are more "smart", they go there because these places until very recently had the most money.>some parts of your universities are definitely a scam, but I shouldn't overlook some of the real talentsA good comparison for the state of our universities now would be Moscow State University in the 1980s. It was the Harvard/MIT/Berkeley of the second and thrid world all in one and easily hte most presitigious University in the world outside of the U.S and Western Europe. However, by the 1980s everything fell apart. There was no longer any money flowing through it, it valued politics and clientelism over intelligence and accomplishment, and it hemorrhaged talent to the U.S and Europe as a result. The U.S has seen similar bleeding since COVID, with both Biden and Trump cutting funding while the politics and priorities of both varied wildly and cause tons of whiplash. There's especially being big brain drains to Europe, China, Sk/Japan and Singapore. I'm seriously considering it given the institutions of my field here and my political positions are at odds with each other and will likely doom me if I make a single wrong step.>the level of accumulated data and technology held by America's big tech companies is on a different dimensionLol, lmao even. You'd be better off sticking with Samsung or LG dude, our tech companies are built on nothing but speculation and ponzi schemes. And especially in AI China is making far more progress in the hard applications of that field than our companies and universities are, who are much more focused on streamlining it for HR and memes than anything practical.
>>221189801Very fair point. Thanks anon, that's the sort of response I needed. I had not even considered how thar would impact how biased I am on this topic. The truth is I have only been exposed to a very limited subset of Korean population.
>>221190093> Americans are on average very stupid, very fat, very aggressive, short-sighted, selfish, easily manipulated, deeply hateful and spiteful, have insane beliefs, etc.I've rarely come across Americans like this, for the same reason
>>221190125>I've rarely come across Americans like thisI doubt it. This country has always rubbed me as very hostile and stupid, doubly so where I am now where every other person is Mexican.
Why are ekorean men always trying to sell their women to the west on the internet
>>221190364>Why are ekorean men always trying to sell their women to the westBecause they know they're awful
>>221182199I like Korea, I hope that "hell korea" is just memes. Don't know if those birthrates can ever be fixed tho
>>221182199Its rapid ascension to a firstie nation is admirable, and it single-handedly raised the status of Asian men everywhere. But Koreans are so racist to SEA, both natives and gyopo.
>>221190250I only come across the travelers in South Korea. Never been to the State
>>221190701>I only come across the travelers in South Korea.That's probably the thing. Most Americans that go to SK that aren't military or Koreans themselves tend to be Koreaboos obsessed with SK like many of the American tourists in Japan. Believe me, you'd be shocked at how thirdie this place is especially in places like the Southwest.
>>221190774>you'd be shocked at how thirdie this place is especially in places like the Southwest+1
