MENA will be Christian again in your lifetime.Islam spread by the sword and will die by the pen.
>>221200573no we'll kick em back to europe
those countries will likely not abandon islam because they have laws against apostasy and legal punishments. if they didn't, people would've abandoned it a while ago, a lie cannot survive freedom of speech
>>221200729The internet is changing that.That's why you're seeing mass apostasies from Islam, and a spread of underground churches, even in Muslim countries with Sharia law.
That pen is leading to a different conclusion lil bro
>>221200894A lot of them end up becoming christians afterwards idk even know why. Probably because muslims who became atheists go full degenerate and get a substance problem almost immediately. I know a Lebanese dude who went down that same path and hes catholic or something know
>>221200894>muzzie IQits bothmuslims are clamoring for the exit
>>221200573It's beneath Christians to fight over clay. Let the Jews and Muslims kill themselves over it.
>>221201005Lol, and that exit isn’t going to be another god who equally didn't do anything for them while they were living like shit
Meanwhile....https://www.chron.com/culture/religion/article/texas-latino-catholics-convert-islam-19933045.php https://dazzlingdawn.com/public/2024/11/22/latino-catholics-converting-to-islam-in-texas-but-why
>>221201080>muzzdog is illiteratethere's that inbred IQ again>>221200573
>>221201186>no conversion numbersHmm..
>>221201222I already refuted that, nobody's choosing your dead jew in muslim lands, he didn't do shit for them.
>>221201316he's a tradcrap who's desperate for conversions
>>221201316an anecdotal + irrelevant tweet isn't a refutation of statistics, you retarded muzzdogmuzzdog inbreeding causes retardation>>221201351heres the fellow muzzdog showing up to give moral support to his retarded brother
>>221200573Why do you care? It's for them to decide.
>>221201445>here to preach pisstianity >spends his time hurling insults at people pointing out obvious contradictions
>>221201252around 9% for the latinos
>>221201462Why do you care whether someone cares? It's for them to decide.
>>221201485calling out your retardation isnt "preaching" you inbred muzzdog>obvious contradictionswhat "contradiction", you inbred muzzdog?
Even the most rabid cucktheist here doesn't have a positive outlook on christianity, it's not a consideration at all That being said mosques still fill up to the brim here at all times with various age groups.
>>221201523because you're polluting the board with your propaganda
Also it's funny how your OP image points out to christians being culled down in MENA but your only takeaway is "hurr 3-4 retards converted we won"
>>221201186Id imagine most of those are prison converts for when Muslims find the Latino chomo population there and then enlighten them that 9 years of age might actually be a little too old for Mohammed Its a bold strategy
>>221201520Wow, you are incredibly stupidThe link says>9 percent of the country's Muslims are Latino convertsThat doesn't say anything about what percent of Latinos have convertedWe need to start teaching basic numeracy and statistics again
>>221201445>an anecdotal + irrelevant tweet isn't a refutation of statistics, you retarded muzzdogAs opposed to... *looks around* Nothing in favor of an even deader religion? You haven't posted anything.You're so immature, lol.
>>221201589>uncited statistic >vast majority of arabian apostates adopting atheism>obvious tradcrap nonsense (looking for converts)
>>221201590Im an atheist and I vastly prefer christians to you nutjobs, its not even close dude. Jesus was an okay guy, Mohammed was a schizophrenic pedophile warlord and your worldview would demand my execution or conversation. You guys actually suck, it should be illegal to be Muslim
>>221201602>propagandaLol. Are you a muslim whose feelings got hurt or something?
>>221201698What is the taqiyah version for christianityYeah whatever that is, you're doing it rn
>>221201728he's either a religious white or a hispanic, so iq <90
>>221201590>>221201620>muslim lying like he breathesThey call this "taqiyya"
>>221200573They're adopting Protestantism and similar heresies, unfortunately.
>>221201728It has none, unlike your religion
>>221201763https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/221200573/#221201763LOL this nigga deletes his post after realizing how retarded it isIf I start a cult with a Latino, 50% of my cult is LatinoThat doesn't mean 50% of Latinos are in my cultMuslim inbreeding and innumeracy is a real problem
>>221201728>if you dislike my backwards rape religion then you must dislike all religions equally Nah. Christians are cool, Buddhists are cool, Hindus it depends, and Islam is intolerable. Youre like a swarm of degenerate locusts in any country you inhabit who worship a man that was literally a schizophrenic child raping warlord who probably got killed by one of his own family members which is why you retards even have your dumb little schism to begin with. Christcuckery is nowhere NEAR the level of actual evil that Islam is.
>>221201639>That doesn't say anything about what percent of Latinos have convertedCan you read. It's 9%.
>>221201663>uncited statisticwhich one? yours?>vast majority of arabian apostates adopting atheismyou haven't demonstrated this at all>obvious tradcrap nonsense (looking for converts)copenone of these are contradictions, btwlearn what the word means before you use it, dumbfuck muzzdog
>>221201924Wow guess you really are retarded LMAO: >>221201886Another victim of Muslim inbreeding
>>2212018901 replying three times in a row doesn't give you an upper hand if you're so obnoxious people stop arguing with you 2>flagYeah dude that's YOUR personal opinionIslam isnt just a cultural religion or family heirloom, it's socially enforced to a certain degree in most of MENA so there is always a theological approach to the reverts hereA mena atheist is more likely to just come back to islam instead of rationalizing christian paganism
>>221201924Are you retarded?
>>221201924wrong, you inbred muslim fuckhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusion_of_the_inverse
>>221200573Irrelevant, but i had a friend from ethopia, pretty cool guy always treated like one of his own. Shoutout to you man.
>>221202016>replying three times in a row doesn't give you an upper hand if you're so obnoxious people stop arguing with youNot me, moron. >Yeah dude that's YOUR personal opinionNo dude its an objective fact. Your faggot prophet married a 6 year old then raped her when she was 9, ordered ethnic cleansing and regularly hallucinated random shit. >it's socially enforced to a certain degree>socially enforced Lmao, no you enforce it through violence. Youre a degenerate desert cult of murderers and rapists and the onlt good Muslims are ones that are barely Muslim except in a cultural sense who do not follow the teachings of your literally evil prophet. Anything I can criticize christians for with their forced conversions and imperialism is 10 times worse with your backwards goat fuckery.
>>221202027>what percent of Latinos have converted9% according to the article. >>221202077I'm just stating the statistic from the article.Here was what gemini said.
>>221202185Muslim retardation on full display"9% of Muslims are Latino" and "9% of Latinos are Muslim" are two completely different things, you braindead idiot
>>221202153>Your faggot prophet married a 6 year old then raped her when she was 9, ordered ethnic cleansing and regularly hallucinated random shit.Based>you enforce it through violence. Youre a degenerate desert cult of murderers and rapistsGood>barely Muslim except in a cultural sense who do not follow the teachings of your literally evil prophet.Kuffar, not muslims
>>221202016>christian paganismhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=5U4vlJG4yxk
>>221202244You are a lying christcuck pagan larper. I'm atheist. I hate you christcuck more than this motherfuckers. And I hope the take over and wipe you larpers out. Once again.>9% of Muslims are Latinonever said this. I just stated what the article said. From your original response. >That doesn't say anything about what percent of Latinos have converted.You said percent. And I gave you the conversion PERCENTAGE right here. The percentage is 9%. Even with the confusion of inverse formula applied.
>>221202373>Literally making up verses to own le heckin muslimsThis is the level of discussion we're dealing with ighttps://quran.com/an-najm
>>221202615You said 9% of Latinos have converted to Islam, you lying piece of shit.You're a lying Muslim doing taqiyya who doesn't understand fractions.Go back to school instead of fucking your goat.
>>221202185Bro 9% of US Muslims being latino doesn't mean that 9% of latinos convert to Islam.
>>2212026159% of muslims are latino ≠ 9% of latinos have converted to islamhow the fuck are you this stupid?
>>221202627>muslim doesn't know his own religionoh no no nohttps://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/satanic_verses.htmhttps://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/satanicverses.htm
>>221202753>Bro 9% of US Muslims being latino doesn't mean that 9% of latinos convert to Islam.I know. What I'm saying is the percentage of new converts to Islam is roughly 9% which those 9% being latino. According to the article which is misleading. Better articlehttps://latinodawah.org/latino-muslim-survey-report/
>>221202615>confusion of the inverse formula appliedWhat did he mean by thisCOTI is a fallacy you committed, not a formula you apply
>>221203062>I know.No you don't.>What I'm saying is the percentage of new converts to Islam is roughly 9%Wrong. You said 9% of Latinos have converted to Islam: >>221201924, >>221202185.Stop lying because you majorly embarrassed yourself, you stupid piece of shit.
>>221202841>If i make up and mistranslate shit on the spot i win and you dont know your religion
>>221203131>make up>mistranslateIn the age of the internet, anyone can look this up and translate Arabic.This is why the internet will kill Islam.Your taqiyya and excuses don't work anymore.
>>221203201>Doesn't figure in the quran>Doesn't figure in bukhari or muslim or even ibn dawood or nisai etcAka made up
>>221202615>christcuck pagan larper God incarnating and leading mankind by divine example while replacing outward, nonsensical superstitious semitic rituals (such as circumcision or the meme of "impure" foods) with a more rational outlook on the spiritual, is SPECIFICALLY what makes Christianity great, and what enable the western man to dominate the entire planet, and I'm saying this as an atheist. You self-hating reddit faggots are insufferable.
>>221200573Yep, even within muzzle circles they talk about the "avalanche of apostasy".Then stats show a massive rise in secularism/irreligiousness IN SPITE OF the massive repression/persecution - coupled with a drop in TFR that far exceeds that of the West.In about 30-50 years it'll be mostly relegated to a "crazy old fool" kind of thing, with the main people leading what's left of islam being a mix of pakijeets, indonesians, and pockets of diaspoo-rats in the West clinging on to what little they have left of their ummah identity.
>>221203129Yes I do you faggot. I've said it a million times 9% according the article. >>221203356Go be a christcuck then. Mudslimes and Christcucks killing each other is good for the planet.
>>221203404>Islam will face the same fate as our meme pagan heresy !!! Two more weeks !Not even in your wildest dreams paco
>>221200729Get in touch with missionaries and other orgs helping our brothers in MENA, the conversions are huge. I know quite a few underground churches and missionaries across MENA and the situation is incredibly promising.The internet, which opened up an entire world of research and information + increasing English literacy in the region has allowed many across MENA to actually investigate their religion outside of the extremely tight grip the islamic leaders usually had on information, and islam is so fundamentally broken and inconsistent it can no longer keep scrutiny at bay with violence (its only option).I know ex muslims, including entire families from Morocco to Jordan, the actual number of muslims is MENA is closer to 30%-50% of the reported number.
>>221203501>Mudslimes and Christcucks killing each other is goodIt's not even happening. The massacres are mostly one sided and coming from muslims, unless you do the reddit meme where you count US foreign policy as "Christian violence".
>>221203550>know ex muslims, including entire families from Morocco to Jordan, the actual number of muslims is MENA is closer to 30%-50% of the reported number.KEK !!!!
>>221203352It was in the Quran, Surah 53:19-23, before your false prophet abrogated it because it became inconvenient.Guess "God" does change his word, huh?
>>221203356You're replying to a lying Muslim doing taqiyya
>>221203703>these are nothing but names you have invented yourselves, you and your forefathers. God has sent no authority for them. These people merely follow guesswork and the whims of their souls, even though guidance has come to them from their Lord.Oh ok so you're admitting you just made that up, glad we're on similar grounds
>>221201728Lying is forbidden for christians, even in the face of death, unlike in islam where there are several provisions for lying and entire different forms of deception and subversion (e.g: kitman, hiyal, etc.).The conception of martyrdom is hence so different:>Christian martyr: slain, often brutally, often by mudslimes, to not refuse God and submit to hubal >Muslim martyr: dies trying to take out as many non-muslims as possible in the name of hubal>>221201698Based
>>221203501You said 9% of Latinos have converted to Islam.You believed this because you are stupid and don't understand fractions.You got humiliated.You then lied to try to save face.
>>221203604>Caliphate heart :3
>>221203792>Christian martyr: slain, often brutally, often by mudslimeBased. Hope some feral immigrant slays you and pisses on your corpse
>>221203840You cooked these heathens, king
>>221203352Aren't you the same retard who larps as a muslim but then commits kufr by rejecting almost all sahih hadith from the 6 bigboi books except maybe Bukhari and possibly muslim? If not, please record yourself going to your imam and asking him if being a quraniyun that rejects the Sitta doesn't make you a murtad kafir.
>>221203699https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2025/09/11/islam_is_weakening_in_iran_1134383.html>Iran has long been labeled an Islamic Republic—both politically and demographically—with official statistics claiming over 98% of its population adheres to Islam.>But independent research paints a different reality. A 2020 anonymous survey by the Gamaan Institute of over 50,000 Iranians found: >32% identified as Shi’a Muslim>9% as Sunni Muslim>Nearly 50% identified as non-religious or having lost their religion
>>221203598Draft is in December. Bible belt retards that fought in Iraq and Afghanistan will get draft to fight in Iran. Many wearing crosses to "liberate" Iranian Shia fire worshipers. Iranian has a large jewish population as well. Evangelism is also pushing people away from christcuckism in general. >>221203798*new convertsYou can't read shut the fuck up. >>221203792>Lying is forbidden for christians>proceeds to call me some paki schizo.You also proved that anons point of christcucks doing taqiyya. LMAO
>>221203771>playing stupidThe last refuge of the Muslim scoundrel.>Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza>And Manat, the third, the other?>These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)>Whose intercession is to be hoped for.
>>221203840>t.
>>221203735I always wanted to see an intelligent christian (not an atheist, that's boring) try and establish taqiyya from the quranic scripture and sunnah. can you do it, amreki?
>>221203930Those 50% are both Jews and Atheist. Those fuckers will never be christcucks. LMAO
>>221203986You claimed that 9% of Latinos have converted to Islam: >>221201924, >>221202185.Take the L, you lying Muslim pussy.
>>221203930>Shia Oh no Anyways>>221204054Please point out what page and verse that is on any existing official musshaf with a screenshot and im ready to make a video with my face and timestamp converting to taoism or cuckstianity or whatever cargo cult of your choice >>221204059Nice family photo album pablo
>>221200573>Islam spread by the swordThere is unironically no evidence for conversion by the sword, or conversion at all. Islam has only ever spread because of the demographic spread of its followers.
>>221204073>intelligent >christiankek>>221204146*new convertsAnd you still can't read.
>>221203986Okay but>Bible belt retards that fought in Iraq and Afghanistan will get draft to fight in Iran. Many wearing crosses to "liberate" Iranian Shia fire worshipersYou're definitely a larping muslim though. Why would an atheist care about "shia fire worshippers"? That's a sectarian issue only muslims care about.
>>221204120>If i repeat it for the 100th time it will become trueThe entire premise is flawed since his message was always the destroy paganism in arabia and the world, this is actually the worst angle to attack islam from aside from outright making up shit
>>221204073I find yelling taqqiya to be the very counterproductive. Aside from the fact that there are different forms of deception (kitman, muruna, tawriya, hiyal, etc.), most muslims lie out of reflex, following the spirit of "war is deception" (as said b myohammed), without it being the fruit of a conscious study of centuries of fuquha.Also, your question is very unislamic and a trick question, the american would simply need to point to the theological development of the concepts within traditions of the various madhab, as they themselves will argue the position.
Lol, the moroccan got the jannies to scrub the picture of moroccan making love to his monkey bride KEKWhat a thin-skinned little 9a7ba
>>221204175The word "new" doesn't even appear in those posts, you stupid Muslim ape.And your revision doesn't even solve the fallacy, fucking retard.
>>221204151lol
>proselytizers are so desperate they copy paste broken latinized arabic words to hope to be taken seriously "look i can speak your language o algo please join my eternal victimhood turning your other cheek cult"
>>221204150So, you're going to do this? >>221203922Please make sure to also show up at the masjid and yell loudly "al-TABARI WAS A RAGING SCHIZPHRENIC LYING KEK".That is what your position amounts to.The classical position is to say, "yeah that happened but allah swt took him out of that error and he did not persist in it".
>>221204093False claim followed by a non sequitur.Sad display of inbred Muslim IQ in this thread.
>>221204386Oh no, I don't speak darija (sounds like a mix between dogs barking and a pig getting its throat slit).
>>221200729morrocco's king and royal family don't care if they rule christians or muslims just that they're in charge and have access to western markets for iphones and whoresalgeria will become french againtunisia borders italy
>>221204373Look at the Ottoman Empire in Europe, outside of a few cases almost all Muslims were Turkish speakers, because they descended from Turks.
>>221204263>destroy paganism in arabia and the worldBy installing a pagan cult to hubal? KEKislam is quite literally the most anti-YHWH cult out their. Even outright satanists are nowhere near as bloodthirsty and drenched in the blood of followers of YHWH (Christians and Jews).
>>221204320"new" converts was the entire premise of the argument. You denied it repeatedly like the gay little cross worshiper you are. >>221204180Catholic converts to Islam would also be a sectarian issue for Christcucks. According to your logic. Christ is in hell btw.>>221204422Christ is in hell. kys christcuck.
>>221204263Are you stupid? Momo said it when he was weaker in power so the pagans would tolerate him.
>>221204400>If i make up a boogeyman quranist in my mind and throw around broken arabic words i can escape from bringing up a source that's not a schizo blogpost from 2003 and move the goalpost somewhere elseYou're grasping at straws, i can sense your desperation through the screen
>>221204447Except your fantasy logic ignores that religious people always outbreed the more secular. So as more people become secular in these countries, it actually has the opposite effect by strengthening the more radical elements overtime.
>>221204460>red herring
>>221204151Lying paki. I'm actually shocked, usually the bloodshed is one of the few things muslims are honest about.
>>221204532This is why Tartarstan is going to become a nightmare for Russia in the future. Volga Tartar nationalism is inseparable from Islam.
>>221204150Are you claiming al-Tabari, Ibn Sa'd, Al-Waqidi, and Ibn Hisham all lied?
>>221204151>>221204568I have a full library on the scourge pisslam and mohammedans have been upon humanity, with picrel being a wonderful starting point.
>>221204447Muslim Mexicans will save America!
>>221204151>There is unironically no evidence for conversion by the swordThey've been doing that since the 600s. Half of the history of Southern Europe is repelling muslim attacks and counterattacking. They only calmed down after France and Britain made them stop.
>>221204151>>221204510So you accept all 6 Sitta? So you don't think al-Tabari was a raging schizophrenic lying cunt?
>>221204488Again, you lying Muslim piece of shit:1. The word "new" wasn't even in your posts.2. Tacking the "new" doesn't resolve your fallacy.I'm glad you're dissuading even more people from Islam by being a lying piece of shit.
>>221204636What is that city in Italy where there is a museum to the bones of the slaughter of the whole city by mudslimes?I recall reading an account that was just horrifying. The demonic slaughter and rape of thousands... As always, they lose against an army so they fight against women and children
>>221204488>Christ is in hell.Your Quran says God raised him to heaven (3:55, 4:158).
>>221204605None of these are quran musshafs, or hadith books, none of them relate it from anyone and all their sections start from "it is said" as rumors, not as hadiths or proper recountsYou know what this is called ? Made up.
>>221204568>>221204611>>221204636I'm not really interested in fiction. If we look at well attested Muslim polities, like the Ottomans or Mamluks, they preferred to exploit Christians, rather than convert them, either by taxing them or enslaving them.
>>221200729>a lie cannot survive freedom of speechthen why are lies so popular in america?
>>221204686Al tabari was not a hadith recounter/archivist, he was a theologist who tried to explain quran. The 6 are bukhari, nisai, ibn majah, tirmidhi, abu dawood, muslimCan you find the supposed hadith or ayah there ? Oh what's that i'm hearing ? "No"Figured as much
9 year olds dude.
>>221204800Wrong.>1. Al-Tabari>In his Ta’rikh (History), Al-Tabari records the following regarding the Prophet's desire to reconcile with his people:>"Satan cast on his tongue, because of what he had meditated in himself and what he desired to bring to his people, two phrases:>'These are the high-flying cranes (al-gharāniq al-’ulā); verily their intercession is to be hoped for.'>When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him.">2. Ibn Sa’d (The Tabaqat)>Ibn Sa'd describes the moment of recitation during Surah An-Najm:>"When he reached the words: 'Have you thought on al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?' (53:19–20), Satan cast upon his tongue these two phrases:>'These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted.'>The Messenger of Allah continued his recitation to the end of the Surah and then prostrated, and the Muslims prostrated with him... and the polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated because of what they had heard him say concerning their gods.">3. Al-Zamakhshari (Tafsir al-Kashshaaf)>In explaining Surah 22:52, he recounts the incident to provide context:>"It is related that when the Prophet (pbuh) saw his people turning away from him... he sat in a gathering of the Quraysh and desired in his soul that nothing should come to him from Allah that would cause them to flee from him... and he recited: 'By the star when it sets...' until he reached: 'Have you seen al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?'>At this point, Satan made to flow upon his tongue:>'Those are the high-flying cranes; indeed, their intercession is to be sought.'"
>>221204877jew propaganda
>>221204832>calls academic texts of history "fiction"Okay, you're not even being serious, not surprised coming from a pakijeet. Go watch some Zakir Naik o algo
>>221204921Correct, she was a little younger given the timekeeping mismatch.He married a 5 year old and banged an 8 year old.
>>221204932Yes poorly attested history is basically fiction. Why focus on the mythical history of Early Islam instead of the Mamluks or Ottomans?
>>221204877Don't forget Momo the pedophile sexually thighed her even before then:>She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.>Aisha reported: "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and he mufākhadhah (thigh-contacted/embraced) me and kissed me [before the age of 9], but he did not enter me."- Sunan Abu Dawood 2123
>>221204904>Not tied to hadiths in the sahih or even a hadith hassan>No mention of the name of the recounter or line of retellers>None of them were contemporaries Into the trash kekThis is like arguing against a christian based on mormon books or apocrypha
>>221204921> "Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)."- Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 (and similarly in Sahih Muslim)
>>221204968>schizophrenic paki calls the entire field of History bogusHoly shit I'm dying of laughter
Even AI agrees with me.
>>221204795WTF doesn't this prove the Christian narrative to be false? And that Christ didn't rise? Christcucks is this true!
>>221204968>mythical historyMuslims will deny their own history in a debateThe absolute state of Dawah bros
>>221205068I'm not a Muslim. I am a /his/torian.
>>221205048fountain magazine is on the case!
>>221205054Bizarre response.
>>221204994Are you mentally ill or just trying to lie? Lmao Do you seriously think only muslims know what tafsir is? Do you think the greatest mufassirun aren't known by people that criticize islam?And I was right, you ended up throwing your scholars under the bus (even though we both know behind closed doors you wouldn't)
>>221204994>the most renowned Muslim scholars all liedOk.
for christians, the old testament is something that is sometimes really hard to defend with all the genocides etcI dont know how muslims defend their shit
>>221205099Please, show me examples of mass-conversion to Islam in Anatolia or the Balkans.
>>221205048>generally preferred>generally
>>221205068>History is fake o algo except for when that mentally ill hallucinating bedouin would discuss bronze age history, that was totes trueDose of Truth needs to add this to the latest dawah fails compilation
>>221205054christians don't accept the quran, stupid goatfucker. you do.you contradicted your own quran.
>>221205227why don't you just ask your robot friend again, chump?
>>221205090>I'm not a Muslim.Yes you are.
>>221204832>Invading countries and extorting the inhabitants with the same tactics mafia bosses use to subjugate populations is not forced conversion Redditbabble.>>221204488It's everything about you. Something is off and you're clearly not being honest.The way you insist on insulting weird branches of Islam which no atheist gives a shit about besides muslims gives you away as a sunni.The way you attempt to upset me by insulting elements of Christianity despite knowing that I'm an atheist gives you away as a retard.Then there's the multiple ESL spelling mistakes, but since you're retarded and posting under an american flag I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
>>221202280>>221203840This is Islam. This is the Muslim when he's honest.
>>221205171Dude you thought tabari was one of the 6 books of hadith LMAO you're backtracking now since you cant bring up a hadith that retells the story. This conversation shouldve ended here >>221204686 since you're clearly not well read or here >>221203922 since you're clearly coming with a personal vendetta against a random anon whom i assume btfo youThis is just a heads up that just because you know a couple of broken words in arabic that you use in grammatically eroneous contexts doesn't mean you're knowledgeable or an authority. A mufassir is someone who tries to explain the quran with as many ressources as they can. In his "tarikh" al tabari says> ومنهم الطبري في تاريخه بقوله: "ما يكن في كتابي هذا من خبر ذكرناه عن بعض الماضين مما يستنكره قارئه، أو يستشنعه سامعه، من أجل أنه لم يعرف له وجهاً في الصحة، ولا معنى في الحقيقة، فليعلم أنه لم يؤت في ذلك من قبلنا، وإنما أُتِي من قبل بعض ناقليه Tl;dr : if you read something fishy or unsourced, know that it's just "gossip" or recounts from randoms and that i dont endorse itThis is a massive case of dunning kruger if i've ever seen one. You're not knowledgeable enough
>>221205275>He can't prove it. >>221205278Prove it. >>221205302>Invading countries and extorting the inhabitants with the same tactics mafia bosses use to subjugate populations is not forced conversionYes indeed that is not conversion, it's subjugation. I AM NOT MUSLIM! I am a white ANGLO-SAXON /his/torian! I am not trying to defend Muslims I am trying to point out the reality of their history of subjugating Christians!
dawahbros, this thread is making us look terrible
how do muslims in this board defend the story of Mohammed getting ass raped by dark skinned men?
>>221205497They were Pakistanis, you do the math.
>>221200966>le atheists just want to le sinlol
>>221205446>I AM NOT MUSLIM!even worse: you're a canadian /v/tard
>>221205497dont victim blame
>>221205446Blaspheme Muhammad, the Quran, and Allah in the strongest terms possible and explain why.
>>221205586How about you prove to me you aren't a Volga Tartar first.Declare Volga Tartars to be mudslime invaders, but also being mudslimes is their best quality because more importantly they are mongoloid mestizo invaders. Germanic Flemish chads should kill all Volga Tartar men women and children,Go ahead, say that.
>>221204268>it's a trick question I didn't intend it as such, it was a learning opportunity for him, to familiarize him with Islam and it's actual teachings. Away from his comfort zone of spamming one liners.For matters of the soul, people should be above these reductive campaigns causing social discohesion.statements like,>muslims lie out of reflexare rhetorics that stem from a saviour complex, not compassion. It is internally incoherent with the actual christian faith, and a poor reflection of your belief system.But good luck on your preaching efforts and missionary team in spain and MENA. Just the same, I'm certain my brothers in faith, from all over the world will spread the word of God, for everyone who blames their misfortune and finds himself alone, their dawah will find them. Maybe slowly at first, but eventually they will win over the hearts of many.
>>221205446>It's not conversion, it's subjugation done in such a way that it pushes you towards conversion
>>221204151>>221204460>>221204832>>221205048>>221205446Muslims lie like they breathe.>In the 12th century, the Almohad Caliphate rejected the traditional Dhimmi status (the "protected" but second-class status of Christians and Jews). Their founder, Ibn Tumart, preached a fundamentalist creed that left no room for religious pluralism.>The Ultimatum: Upon conquering a city, they frequently offered a choice: Conversion, Exile, or Death.>The Impact: This led to the near-total disappearance of organized Christian communities in North Africa and forced thousands of Jews to live as "Crypto-Jews," appearing Muslim in public while practicing Judaism in secret.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almohad_doctrine#Treatment_of_non-Muslims>During his siege against the Normans in Mahdia, Abd al-Mu'min infamously declared that Christians and Jews must choose between conversion or death.[1]:173 Likewise, the Almohads officially regarded all non-Almohads, including non-Almohad Muslims, as false monotheists and in multiple cases massacred or punished the entire population of a town, both Muslim and non-Muslim, for defying them.[1]
>>221205648>dodgeQED.
why do muslims shamelessly lie so much
>>221205704No people don't generally give up their faith for tax breaks, historically speaking. It resulted in lower birth rates, emigration, etc. which in tandem with higher Muslim birth-rates and immigration resulted in demographic shifts. Mudslimes are rarely just "converts".
For instance if the Palestinians were just converts they'd look white like the Crimean Karaites who are actual descendants of ancient Jews. And if that's not the case than the mongoloid Tartars would have to look like the Crimean Karaites but they don't either.
>>221204488>>221203986>durhurr crosscuck crossworshipper crosskike *starts randomly seething at shias* lmfao go back to /mena/ faggot, you're terrible at this
>>221205692Will you continue to imprison, torture, execute, expel, mow down, behead, bomb, and beat up Christians for practicing Christianity?Is that what you and your religion call love?
>>221205728Tartar loving subhuman. This suggests you are a mestizo.
>>221205809>>221205852Your jig is up, lying Muslim.
>>221205707Moorish Spain was never significantly Muslim, as far as I know, so it just isn't true that there were mass-conversions.
>>221205893You are a mestizo who sympathizes with Mongoloid mudslime invaders in Europe.
>>221205921Yup they ruled it for 700+ years through telepathy
>>221205921>non sequitur>goalpost-movingYou're terrible at this, lying Muslim.
>>221205809Not sure how I'm supposed to reply to sophistry this bad. Everything you're describing is coercion.
>>221205855amreki I'm sorry you've suffered so much. You should rally behind your goverment so they can bomb brown kids in the middle east..to save humanity
>>221206020>Everything you're describing is coercion.Yes but not conversion. You're a dumbass.
>>221205880>>221205955You're really bad at this, muzzie.
>>221206053That's what I thought.
>>221206087>More bad sophistry
Legendary melties ITT. Has to be a monthly record at least
watching muslims backed into a corner is hilarious
we will cleanse the world of infidels inshallah
>>221205544No they dont, but theres a lot of ex christians and ex Muslims who fall into that because the only thing they had to justify not destroying themselves with drugs and sex was God. You can be an athiest and have self control and a foundational moral basis, its not continengent on belief in god but athiests falling into hedonism and nihilism is a problem for many.
>>221206156Was i supposed to humour (or humor as you say it) your hysterical thesaurus-based rant?
>>221206243Try cleansing your butt first, Ahmed.
>>221200573In your dreams, crosscucks will be wiped out.
>>221206272>continues to prove the point
>>221206314I cleans it with your sister's face, infidel dog
>>221206380>gave up the act
>>221206389An eye roll is all I can offer at this point
>>221206260Maybe we can salvage a decent discussion from this ruined thread. Why do you think hedonism and nihilism is le bad if you're also an atheist? I'm not talking about on a societal level I'm saying that purely as an individual why shouldn't i go down that path?Hard mode: no appeal to nature/traditionI'm not muslim btw
>>221206441Yes, I know that's your reaction to Muslims constantly massacring Christians around the world for practicing Christianity.You are evil and so is your religion.
>>221206380kek I was wondering when this other demented /mena/ lolcow would show up
>>221206485>I'm saying that purely as an individual why shouldn't i go down that path?No one's stopping you but you.
>>221200729Yeah, carry out punishments against the schisming masses, where they will eat alive the few imams brave enough to still reproach them.
>>221200573>MENA will be Christian again in your lifetime.It's not enough, all Muslims in all countries must convert to Christian Universalism.
>>221206428>act
muslims show their true face when you corner them lola demented murder cult
>>221206525I don't know how to respond to this embarassing bait effort.Meet me outside your premier burger establishment (mickeyDees) and let's throw down hands (don't worry, it's a just-war(tm)). Winner has the better religion.
>>221204386kek what a subhumans
>>221206485>Why do you think hedonism and nihilism is le bad if you're also an atheistBecause theres other orders of objective morality you can reason out which are still pronatalist, expound virtue ethics, and come from a higher moral order which is beneficial for all from the level lf individual to society that dont need to come from divine command. Self destruction just on the basis of game theory is inherently terrible for the individual and society at large , you can make appeals to emotivism, and you can expound on the expansive positive experience of discipline in life all without god involved.
>>221206733Christianity also commands you to kill the wicked and engage in holy war
>>221202686>>221201786most posters are too innocent to recognize a pattern, but several of the western flags ITT are obvious /mena/ or /pig/ regulars, like the "american" who mysteriously seethes at shias, or this embarrassing canadian faggot with the ISIS themed soyjaks. you're not talking to "atheists", it's muslim diasporas kek
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