Is it popular in your country? I once talked to a Canadian guy on reddit who said he cured his auto immune disease using it. His lift stats were.At 75kg body weight: Bench 180kg, Squat 225kg, OHP 120kg, Deadlift 215kg
It's not popular mostly cuz nobody can afford meat here
>>221320039Same here. Wish I could afford it though.
>>221320006>At 75kg body weight: Bench 180kg, Squat 225kg, OHP 120kg, Deadlift 215kgDamn, Jordan Peterson getting swole
>>221320006it's good for cancermaxxing
>>221320185No data showing any cause and effect relationship between eating red meat and cancer.
>>221320185>>221320239the vegan burger vs the carnivore sambar
>>221320185This had been deboonked Only processed meals are le bad
*meats
>>221320006just eat normal healthy stuff whenever you're hungry and avoid obviously bad shit like glucose syrup or palm oildiets are a scam for women and retards
This is extremely unhealthy and will result in drastically increased risk of heart disease and bowel cancer. You will also miss out on lots of essential vitamins/minerals.If it actually had any health benefits people would know about this by now and it would be recommended by medical boards instead of random retards on internet.I am a medical doctor and got taught mediterranean diet is one of if not the best for actually being healthy. Mostly fruit/veg/beans/grains, fish as main meat and very limited red meat and processed shit.
>>221320329The palm oil panic was a scamSame as chuds freaking out over sneed oils
>>221320358I saw a Norwegian doctor recommending this back when I was interested in diets and fitness.
>>221320358fact nuke
>>221320185a lot of the meat = bad research was because people who tend to eat a lot of meat ended up just eating processed garbage like jerky, hotdogs, burgers and stuff like that pumped full of nitrate preservatives and coloringmeanwhile people who avoid meat like vegetarians and vegans tended to be a lot more health conscious, buy more organic, and count macros and nutrientsyou can eat lots of meat and be healthy, but you have to apply a similar attitude as the vegetarians do when it comes to the quality and freshness of stuff you eat
>>221320465maybe. i base my opinion on carnivore diets being harmful by the various confirmed problems that animal protein causes. higher ammonia and hydrogen sulfide in the colon. Neu5Gc is a problem if you eat mammals. disrupting your gut microbiome by being fiber deficient. it adds up. just be an omnivore like a normal person
>>221320407There will always be outliers recommending random dumb shit, but very very few would recommend this. Again there is a reason it is not recommended by any medical guidelines, because the evidence overwhelmingly shows it is terrible for you.I have also seen many people die from diseases they likely wouldn't have had if they didn't eat the typical western diet which is awful but still a lot better than this.
>>221320006Healthiest diet as you will maximise nourishment and minimise toxins. It's pretty hard to dispute this because basic knowledge of human biology and the composition of foods will tell you this. Most important is your nourishment during development, you can see the difference across countries and even families, even when accounting for genetics.However, drop the bacon and other cured meats, include organ meats especially liver, increase animal fat considerably, and you have to get good quality, fresh meat. Lean muscle meat with fat cut off isn't that good. Also, some plant foods, like certain fruits (especially without pesticides), are basically harmless and there's no reason not to eat them if you want to. In general, there's no reason to prohibit yourself from plant foods that have minimal toxins. For nourishment, the main issue is loading up on grains, potatoes, etc. If the majority of what you eat is good quality fresh animal products then it really makes no difference to eat other things for enjoyment, as long as they don't dominate your diet. Personally, I eat 95% fish, meat, eggs, dairy with the remaining 5% being honey, fruit, occasional cake or bread, and some veg for culinary purposes. But you don't need to do that to be near optimal health.In recent years I've taken up fishing, so half of what I eat is fish. I eat a lot of fish raw too. Most fishermen I know have at least tried their fish raw, and some eat it regularly like this. Sort of normal nowadays with the popularisation of it through Japanese cuisine. With all fish I catch, I test if it's good to eat by eating the liver raw. If it's good then eating the rest raw is ok. If it's not so good, then cooking is best, if it's bad then I won't eat it.>>221320358No evidence. 'Medical doctor' means nothing.>mediterranean dietDoesn't even mean anything. It's vague and unscientific. Also, fish is more often eaten processed than red meat is. Same with pork.
>>221320465Anything this incredibly obvious will have been accounted for. It genuinely is just healthier.
>>221320689What are your lifts?
>>221320689Also raw is definitely best nutritionally but don't be risky about it if you're unsure. It is definitely dangerous. I would not eat raw fish from a shop myself, not even a sushi place, because I know that shit is not truly fresh and I don't trust the long chain of people involved in handling it. Cooking is also fundamentally useful as a processing method and a tenderising method. When it comes to food, there is a backlog of culinary history and formative experience that can be hard to see past. It can definitely challenge intuition and instinct. Like everyone thinks meat is yummy, and can even feel it nourish them, even people who swear against it, but there's also lots of people who think some super toxic and nutritionally NEGATIVE dish they grew up with is yummy too.
>>221320689Yeah it does because it means you've at least got a decent idea of how to interpret studies and so on. It's not my opinion I'm just saying what the evidence actually shows instead of speculating BS like most on 4chan do. Doctors in developed world have also seen plenty of people die due to their choices which hammers it home.There's tonnes of evidence which is why it is recommended constantly and the carnivore diet never is. It may also be called other things like eatwell plate in uk, but general theme is mostly fruit and whole grains, limited meat/dairy and for meat fish > chicken > red meat and milk/cheese should be skimmed/low fat etc
>>221320363one rabbi will say yes other rabbi will say no as the saying goesI stick with butter, lard and occasional olive oil, won't touch other oils
>>221320006Bit Idiotic as the whole idea behind is that humans were carnivores will infact they were always omnivores. But yeah it's up to you, I do think meat is a very important part of the diet. Vegans and climate activists will lie that it isn't and will tell you you need far less or nothing to survive.
>>221320006Idk if carnivore specifically is popular, its becoming a trend with youth maybe. For me personally, I've eaten clean carnivore for months before and its the best I've ever felt. I know retards will keep spamming on this website that you will get le cancer or whatever but they can never substantiate it, they are just parroting studies funded by grainslop companies without understanding the limitations and flaws of those studies at all. There are more recent studies on keto/carnivore coming out that are more scientifically rigorous by controlling for more factors and they all point to the same conclusion you could have reached by just looking at human history, we ate fatty meat from animals for 99% of our existence. Corn starch products and stuff like that didn't exist, most wild plants weren't even edible and the ones that were was not enough to sustain yourself on. >>221320465There's no evidence whatsoever for the processed meat = bad claim. Your diet could consist of nothing but hot dogs and burgers and you would be infinitely more healthy than a vegan. Clean meat products are still better, but the difference isn't that extreme. Unless you're eating something with a million different weird ingredients it doesn't matter for most people.
I've done it in the past and it was great, but I can't afford to anymore as the cost of living here is out of control.If I had the cash I would eat 90% carnivore with the rest essentially just fun stuff like fruits, honey, and sauces.
>>221320006I also have an autoimmune dissease and tried it for a month. It was magic not only I felt 10x better (after the adaptation process) but my medical exams showed an impressive improvement as well.The problem is if I go back a to a normal diet the issues progressively come back so I can't say I'm "cured"... I don't want to live on carnivore diet for the rest of my life either so I basically have a couple carnivore days every now an then for maintenance and I feel good.The improvements I noticed:1. Clearer mind, anxiety dissapeared2. I got leaner and felt more strength at the gym (you're consumir a lot of protein and creatine with all the meat)3. Felt super light, 0 bloating or anything4. Waking up in the morning was so much easier 5. Acne gone6. The main one of course; significant improvement in my disease. My disease was awful before discovering the dietFunny thing is I tell this to my doctor and she's like "eh yeah, high meat consumption is not recommended or something, there are no studies about this" like are you kidding me? This shit cured me, and you can see it in the results.
>>221322395>>221322464>>221322842Anecdotal evidence is in it's favour it seems.
>>221322872I don't see them making any actual clinical trials anyways. Probably because laboratories can't get a profit from it (and would probably lose money as well)
>>221322896Well at least you're lucky enough to be in a firstie country where you can afford this. I suffer here as a poorfag.
>>221320006Mainstream carnivore biggest flaw is consuming too much muscle meat and the fat that comes with itIdeally you should be eating bone marrow (my paternal grandma who lived to +90 used to eat a lot of it on weekly basis), liver, lungs, spleen, brain, intestines etc Also fish, eggs, fermented dairy productsHoney and fruits for carbohydrates if you're very active or do sportsGame if you have access to itThe plan on your picture is kinda trash im not gonna lie.Humans are carnivorous by definition but not obligate, you need other things to thrive but can survive on a multitude of things. Will you be healthy eating only meat or only plants, no. Same if they're +80% of your dietIdeally you should aim for like 65% animal products
>>221320239False. There is plenty of such data.
>>221322395Weevoo weevoo retard alert!
>>221322993Humans are omnivorous tho
>>221320358>mediterranean diet is one of if not the best for actually being healthy.Mediteranean people eat radically different diets from each other, the only common point is fish and olive oil>veg/beans/grainsBeans arent a common occurence in the mediteranean, northern moroccans eat it very seasonally like two months of the winter and egyptians but that's itVegetables are also limited to aromaticsMaybe grainsBut did you know that those "blue zone" studies were actually done on monks and sporadically, during lent etcThey never really studied the populations in-depth from the youth to the centenarians. Okinawans eat a lot of pork and raw fish yet they're also in the blue zone. Italians and greeks are also there despite their high cholesterol intakes from dairy and cold cuts. You can check out what the last surviving person from the 19th century ate. Any doctor would foam at the mouth at her diet.I feel like it disproves a lot rather than proving it.I have a friend in the field tho he's an emergency nurse, the first year is a generalist medical studies one so they had courses on diet as well. He's also completely clueless about fundamentals and parrots the "balanced" old food pyramid but cant really explain the why or how. Studying a topic within the confines of university isnt for the general truth it's usually just to be good within the limited system and answers they give you
>>221323143Bears are omnivorous because they can process plants and survive on ONLY that AND be healthy and have all their micros and macros Humans cant do that without supplementation. Sure you can live decades being a vegan or vegetarian but you wont be healthy. Carnivorous doesn't really mean 100% meat contrary to popular belief. Cats are obligate carnivorous meaning plants can even be fatal to them and a 100% meat diet is required, dogs are facultative ones like humans but humans are slightly lower on the spectrum than dogs. The difference between an omnivore and facultative carnivore is thriving vs surviving
>carnivore dieteither gymcel meme or regular incel bait from statue pfp accounts on xitter who tie eating meat with manliness regardless of which you'd have to be really gullible or ill-intentioned to swear by them
>>221323285Humans are omnivorous by definition.I will now accept your apology.
>>221320759Wrong.
>>221323067Wrong.
>>221323319It's a jewish plot to get all incels to kill themselves.
>>221323384Wrong.But go ahead, Mr. Hamburger. Kill yourself with hotdogs.
>>221323351Are you the concession schizo on /fit/
>>221323319>posts some fat communist who eats his toe fungusThink I'll go with the chuds on this one
>>221320358al-britani got a medical degree
>>221323432Wrong.I don't eat hotdogs.
>>221320006It's the dietary horseshoe theory brother of veganism. There's no need to bring extremism to your diet. Just manage what you eat without killing yourself.
Can't you guys just eat a balanced diet and stop falling for fads and memes, I swear some of you fall for this crap more than women do
>>221324125Balanced diet is meme? To me it sounds simple. You need xyz nutrients. You can get most of that in meat in easily bioavailable forms. Only small amount uf plants needed.
>>221320006Imagine the constipation
>>221320185Kek
>>221323468I didn't say that.
>>221320070there is no fucking way those numbers are real, 120kg OHP at 75kg bw? While your bench is 180? Nigga please
>>221324348Tbf, he said he was a mallet and I said OHPs are easier for manlets. He was a trustworthy guy. Didn't seem like the type to lie.
>>221324395Manlet* not mallet lol.
>>221322993>Honey and fruits for carbohydrates if you're very active or do sportsPeople who are fat-adapted, that is to say you've been eating clean full fat carnivore for at least like 3 months, don't need carbs at all. Human hunters defeated every single animal without it, this meme needs to die. >Will you be healthy eating only meatYes. Next.
>>221324125Nigger, nobody is forcing you to eat this way. You eat whatever way works for you, how about that? Why does everything you don't agree with have to be some sort of meme or fad?
>>221324300depends. I get constipated when I eat pork, goat, sheep. I shit normally when I eat chicken and sea fruits. And finally I shit well (read as in a comfy feeling) when I eat steak and fish
>>221324348Steroids maybeBut his deadlift and squat are absurdly disproportional maybe he's lying after all
>>221320006constipation speed run
>>221324662He was on gear yeah.
>>221320006I think it seems dumb, we evolved to eat meat AND plants. That being said if it can help someone then who am I to judge.
>>221324468>Yes. Next.I know it's role is overstated but you still need vitamin C. You need magnesium, you need B9.Muscle meat is actual shit compared to other animal products especially organs >People who are fat-adaptedLow leptin causes latent brain damagehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6722776/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7923949/
>>221320006Carnivore diet as an offshoot of keto can help in the short term but its problematic in the long term.
>>221320006not sure about meat but ketogenic diyet is practised among cancer patients.yet, today's meat is an industrial production kind of. especially chicken - antibiotics, vaccines, growth accelerators, externallly applied pesticides ...
>>221325017>vitamin C I know you're going to plug your ears on this one, but vitamin C exists in beef and other ruminant meats. Not in a huge amount, but it exists. You also don't need a lot of it.>magnesium Also in meat>B9 Same as above. Don't get me wrong, animal organs are good and all that but not everyone needs it. You need to eat the fat, not just muscle meat. >Low leptin causes latent brain damageLow leptin is caused by malnourishment or extreme conditions, this is impossible to achieve on carnivore unless your body is severely dysfunctional or you have a stomach parasite or something leeching all the nutrients. If you are a vegan this can happen, though.
>>221322395trvke
>>221320358you got told by other people what to think, you were brainwashed and you're either a foid or a fag who can't into critical thinking because you believe anything that comes from a supposed authority simply because they're an authorityyou're unable to intuit anything because everything has to go through your consensus filter or you won't believe it, you're pathetic
>>221325253Just because meat contains them doesnt mean you'll get your daily needs in. Nutrition isnt just about containing something or else we'd just drop meat for lentils since they """contain""" """"iron"""'". You need a lot of meat, raw to fulfill all 3 nutrients i mentioned>Low leptin is caused by malnourishment or extreme conditionsDid you even read the papers i posted ?
>>221325465I wonder how much damage I've done to my body after only eating rice 24/7. This stuff is complex and based on what you guys say, I am only getting 1/100th of the nutrients I need to not have irreparable brain damage.
Jordan Peterson tried that and he ended up with permanent brain damage
>>221325901He ended up with permanent brain damage because of his benzos addiction. Last I checked that's not part of your diet.
>>221325829That's all of MENA too. Do people over there delude themselves that eating pesticide sprayed vegetables and bread with minimal meat is somehow the key to living healthy and long (despite being sick themselves) and blame it on street slop entirely ? Here they do. We even have state doctors still pushing misconceptions from eons ago about animal liver storing toxins and killing you. Thankfully my entourage isnt that brainwashed but a lot of pseudo-veganism (mostly coming from poverty rather than lack of knowledge really, they want to delude themselves that it's optimal when they cant afford x or y) still lingers
>>221325952maybe it's a sign you shouldn't follow the advice of brain damaged benzo poppers
>>221326001>Do people over there delude themselves that eating pesticide sprayed vegetables and bread with minimal meat is somehow the key to living healthy and long (despite being sick themselves) and blame it on street slop entirely ?Yep. Yep. Uncs here are simultaneously malnourished and potbellied. They're dropping like flies due to heart attacks. They don't eat meat at all. On top of this, the ruling party of India is veg cucked. Both my parents are diabetic and the doctors who treat them still recommend carb heavy diet. I am a poorfag and my father is veg cucked. I just eat rice 24/7. I suffer from a variety of diseases from anxiety, depression, insomnia to ibs. I year for the day I can earn enough money to eat meat everyday. I am 33 so a lot of damage is already done.
I think the best diet is like 50 % meat, including offal and fish, and 50 % fruits and vegetables. Maybe add some things like eggs, dairy, nuts, honey...But if you eat good quality bread that is not bad either. It contains carbs and proteins and some minerals and vitamins.
>>221320006vegetarian + dairy and eggs is objectively the healthiest dietunfortunately i still hate most vegetables
>>221326201>I am 33 so a lot of damage is already done.Aajonus pbuh managed to reverse a lot at 29 (tho he started changes at 20), i believe you can still make it
>>221320006A family friend did this and died from a massive heart attack. It's the most retarded shit I've ever heard of. Eskimos do it because they have no other choice, but we do.
>>221326257I still need to earn money. Oh well, I killed most of my potential by being malnourished in my teens anyway. I don't think there's a lot left to salvage. All I can hope for is a less painful later years (if I start earning money).
>>221325829there's a reason why your country is filled with deformed people and that's because of malnutrition
>>221326468Yeah, you don't have to tell me.
>>221320006cringe
>>221326244>something im naturally averted to is healthy lol
>>221320006Retarded as shit. You aren't a carnivore, you are an omnivore. >guy on redditAs trustworthy as a guy on /fit/ telling you that his test skyrocketed by eating raw onions
>>221320239uh, yeah... there actually is. like a lot in fact.
>>221320006>Is it popular in your country?NoOnly dumbasses fell for it. Have fun dying of a heart attack at 40
>>221320759nah, those studies were low effort, they took as many people as they could and asked them about their food intake and health, and then just collected the datafrequent meat eaters and vegetarians were the main outliers, with people eating lots of meat usually more unhealthy and vegetarians being the most healthy, and they just left it at that for the time beingstudies that looked deeper into it were the ones that found out it's mainly the bad habits and low quality food of meat eaters, and the neurotic health consciousness of the vegetarians that skewed things... at the end it was more people's habits and health neglect/concerns that made up most of the difference for the majority, not just meat vs veggies
>>221332514humans are facultative carnivores, meaning we need to eat primarily meat to be healthy. In the carnivore scale we are between canines and felines.
>>221332720Explain how consuming what you are made of can cause a heart attack.
>>221332720Why did she not die at 40 ?https://www.nmn.com/news/117-year-old-woman-ate-the-same-daily-diet-low-in-fruits-and-vegetables-for-nearly-100-years
>>221335333>Experts have also attributed Morano’s genetics to her lengthy lifespan since her mother lived to her 90s and a few siblings lived close to 100 years.lmao the damage control
>>221335333it's the eggs.
>>221320006paleo > keto > retardshitmaxx > carnivore
>>221320006>I once talked to a Canadian guy on reddit who said he cured his auto immune disease using itWas it jordan peterson? because he is dying right now and is mentally ill because of the carnivore diet
>>221335237Humans are actually frugivores
>eggs and low fat chickenIt's specifically red meat that gives you a heart attack
>>221320006>no organ meatThat's retarded.
>>221335297>why do i get prions if i eat human flesh?
>>221320006Legitimately retarded dietExtremely restrictive diet that'll give you the same results if you eat like a normal human being>once talked to a Canadian guy on reddit who said he cured his auto immune disease using it.Lying. Carnivore diet is a cult.It's works just like a neopentec church
>>221332804False
>I once talked to a Canadian guy on reddit who said he cured his auto immune disease using it"yeah bro some redditor told me he cured his disease with this diet it must work"you people are literally retarded. that's all i need to know about a diet to stay away from it.
>>221335901Paleo is a meme and keto done right is basically carnivore. >>221336154How does it cause a heart attack? Explain the mechanism.
>>221336695>that'll give you the same results if you eat like a normal human beingActually it'll give you far less results because you absolutely need carbs to lift heavy ass weightsCarnivore is a dyel diet
>>221336721I abandoned /fit/ because of that.That's how 90% of that board operates.That and the fat fetishists pretending to hate them
>>221336721it's so funny how many 4chan anons think they're arbiters of critical thinking when they just copy what some dipshit online said as a joke
>>221336771>>221336798naivety is high trust
>>221336798you never know how it can turn.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40041752/
>>221336721The guy was probably on some shitty junk food American diet and just cut out sugars and fast food. That explains it more than what he's eating now.
>>221336869this is 99% the truth with all these meme diets stories. carnivores saying it cured their turbo aids and vegans saying it cured their stage 7 brain cancer. how does each side reconcile these contradictions?
>>221320006Purely contrarian diets such as carnivorism and veganism are nutritionally incomplete. Both lead to their own set of health problems. A balanced diet is ideal.
>>221336657You don't. >>221336721Many medical doctors promote keto and carnivore. >>221336695It's liberation, not restriction. You are eating what everyone wants to eat but thinks they can't.
>>221320006I just follow what the Prophet commanded.No alcohol, no bacon. All forbidden, but bread, chicken breast is allowed.You don't need anything else. It's all there.People that propagate crazy diets are living in error
>>221336946Good friend, would you care to post your body?Looking for something...
>>221320006Seems like a meme but I dont really care, ive never known anyone who has done it.
>>221336946you are retarded
>>221336985please rope
>>221337525Why
>>221336751>Carnivore is a dyel dietTrue. You become stronger and gain muscle without ever lifting weights on carnivore. >>221336926A balanced human diet is a balance of animal fat and protein.
