In Italy, an intense feeling of hometown pride is called campanelismo. The name comes from the Italian word campanile, which means "bell tower."It is the idea that a person’s primary identity and devotion belong to the area within earshot of their local church's bell tower1. For Italians, is this still true iyc? Do you personally feel this? 2. For non-italians, do you feel specifically hometown/neighborhood pride?
>>221326731Yeah as Italy is a relatively new concept so the town itself is the heart of local culture, but as time goes on and the population gets more italo-mutted and besieged by foreigners I fear campanilism will eventually start to fade
>>221326899So you speak a regional dialect where you live or the standardized national language? Does that have an impact?
>>221327416*Do you
>>221327416Depends on where you're from. In large northern cities basically only old people speak "dialect" (they're actually their own languages). The accent is usually still noticeable though. I'm from Genoa so I use various local vocabs and can understand genoese (zeneize) to a degree but can't properly speak it. It's quite different from regular italian
>>221326731>do you feel specifically hometown/neighborhood pride?We call it bairrismoI wouldn't say I’m proud of my city, especially these days with how fast it’s growing, but I still feel attached to the memories and the old dialect. It’s not a great city, but it’s far from the worst. By Brazilian standards it’s actually good, even if it still kinda sucks
>>221326731Im from a provice that is in spirit fiercely independent from the rest, Frisia.
>>221327632>only old people speak "dialect"Not true, i regularly speak in dialect with friends family and coworkers and the few times that i'm chatting in italian after a while i always subconsciously switch to dialect, with some embarassment on my part when they dont understand what im saying
>>221327632As a Genovese, which other city do you hate the most. Or if you don't hate them, which is your biggest rival?
>>221327882Northeast? Young people in Milan/Turin/Genoa rarely speak dialect to a conversational level>>221327925The historical rivalry is with Venice but that's just medieval stuff, otherwise I'd say La Spezia since those people are tuscans in disguise
>>221327801Are you from curitiba?
>>221328158No, I'm paulista
>>221327803Do you speak west Frisian as a first language instead of Dutch?
>>221326731>campanelismo*campanilismo
>>221326899>Yeah as Italy is a relatively new conceptThis is completely false, Italians have always thought themselves as Italians outside of the city-state tied identities they had in the post-Roman era. Go read Petrarca ''Italia mia, benché 'l parlar sia indarno''. In that poem he wishes that the Italians would stop fighting each other using Germanic mercenaries and that they would unite again to cleanse Italy from those same Germanic barbarians like under Gaius Marius and CaesarAlso, the current borders of Italy are almost the same as the borders of Italy under Augustus, and the only people who were exempt from tributes in the Roman Empire were the Italics who lived in those regions on that map, that for centuries until Diocletian reforms
>>221329137Among the literate elite yes but try telling that stuff to the average farmer in the 1800s lol. Most people until ww1 didn't even speak Italian
>>221326731>2. For non-italians, do you feel specifically hometown/neighborhood pride?Not specifically my home town but I'm fond of my home region.
>>221326731It's also quite the case in Belgium, since we were divided into smaller principalities for a long time, a bit like Italia. Most people here keep spending their life in/around the same town/city as their parents.There is also an expression quite similar to "campanelismo" in french, it's "esprit de clocher", but that's mosty seen as a negative thing (being too close minded, too self centered around your irrelevant little village). The french singer Georges Brassens made a song about this actually :https://youtu.be/RSJmN-Mg978?si=6VE11YpADu_dzt04
>>221328855About 60% of the province does yeah, not me I had to learn it, my mother didnt bother to have me learn it as a child.
>>221331997Does your mother suffer from internalized freisaphobia?
>>221332097"Speak Dutch so my kids life will be easier" was the Frisian boomer mentality to their kids, atleats for my mom.
