how long has your family been city dwellers, My maternal line were farmers until my mother who was the first in her family to have an actual job and not just work the land. My paternal line has been petite bourgeoisie since the like late 12th-century. I have an almost sterotypically jewish family name too dispite not being jewish, not gonna dox myself but it's something along the lines of "shekelstein", How far removed are you from your farming ancestors anon, do think about farming a lot? Have you have seen an actual cow, chicken or sheep? Are you attracted to farm girls and stuff o algo. /int/ nationally speaking?
>>221346996nice BLACKED aesthetic
I'm always amazed at people knowing what their ancestors where in the middle ages or somethingI just know both my grandparental sides lived in random villages around the area and then lose track
>>221346996It depends. Mostly 2-3 generations. Like my grandparents were already city dwellers. And half of my greatgrandparents were mostly moved by themselves or moved by soviets to the cities.
>>221346996>How far removed are you from your farming ancestors anon, do think about farming a lot?My family has dacha. Sometimes I think how good it would be to live on land and grow something for your own pleasure. But farming as a work and to sell anything is deadly hard and non-profitable in such climate.
>>221346996Here 90% of city people's grandparents were born in village
>>221347046some autist on my father side did some family research on his family, he managed to track everything to some ashkenazi christian convert way back. So yeah, i have do know every single one of my paternal line and their occupation since the 12th-century. And every single one of them has been some form of petite bourgeoisie.
farm in china isn't farm in the west, it's all tiny plots just near the house, the government or coporation own larger tracks of land, you are more of employee than a farmerdemographically speaking most chinese people have origin or extant relation to the countryside, urbanization was still a relatively new thing
>>221346996Most cities/towns in Norway didn't really exist and the few existing cities were much smaller and surrounded by farmlands. So I'd wager most Norwegians are first or second generation city dwellers following the expansion in the 60s and 70s.
>>221346996Like 90% of my family are city dwellers but my mom's dad grew up on farm land and he had thirteen siblings, he ran away from home at age 12, traveled up and down the east coast and through the south living as an outlaw essentially. You might think this makes him sound cool, like some rogue cowboy, I assure he was not. He was at least very charming.
>>221346996My mom grew up on a dairy/corn farm and her dad was a farmer his whole life. My uncle inherited it but now just raises horses or something on it.
>>221346996isn't her dress is a little too transluscent for such weather?
>>221347582He sounds like cool guy, how did he sustain himself while being an outlaw, just like odd jobs or was like a hardend criminal. He must've had very cool stories to tell.
Farmers/labourers from beginning of time (actual proof/written records of this to 1500s-1600s) until parents generation.
>>221347713>how did he sustain himself while being an outlawDrugs and murder, he was a gunman for hire.All he did was make babies and go to prison. The last thing he did before he died was pull a drug dealing scam.
>>221347046>>221347249Sweden (including Finland) has written records to 1600s of everyone (even the lowliest peasant). notable people even further back.
>>221347809i assume he died young them, hard to see some 70 year old pulling drug dealing scam, what a pity he would best stories to tell, my moms grandfather spent his life on a farm, and would tell us great stories about when he buthered for the first time, first time he bought his own cow, at the time it was all really fascinating.
>>221347991>i assume he died young them, hard to see some 70 year old pulling drug dealing scamHe was 68. Believe me he really wasn't that interesting, no cool stories to share to be honest.
>>221347876And it's all preserved? I think many of the documents were lost here. And you also need to personally visit small towns archives and search there for it.
>>221346996My dad paid some service to trace his ancestry back to the beginning of the 19th century, and literally everyone is a city-slickers. All my ancestors had jobs like factory worker, barber and waiter.
>>221346996My ancestors on both sides of my family were urbanites even before coming to America
>>221348994>paid>to trace his ancestry back to the beginning of the 19th century....I'm pretty sure you can easily do it by yourself in UK.
>>221349032I wouldn't know how to. It's easier just to pay someone to do it.
>>221346996One pair of my grandparents moved to the city with their sons, the other were back then living in villages around the town but after WW2 the town grew and those villages became suburbs.>How far removed are you from your farming ancestors anonEveryone still plants veggies in gardens, even in towns, because we have our own homes with big lawns, backyards and room to grow veggies. But I must admit I can't stomach some foods like my grandmas ajgemacht made with unprocessed meat. I don't think I could be able to eat fresh pork and sausages from pigs and raw milk straight from a cow because of the smell.>Have you have seen an actual cow, chicken or sheep?They are not uncommon when you travel to the countryside and especially if you have a house there.>Are you attracted to farm girlsI don't think I've ever met a "farm girl". Farming is pretty dead in this country and especially in this part and it's only old people and maybe a very small number of younger men that do it as their primary job. Most village girls and boys are now the same as the kids that grew up in the city because they have access to the same things like phones and videogames to grocery stores in each village.
>>221348940>And it's all preserved?Yes, I think Sweden and Finland are the only bcountries where records from so far back has been preserved. Maybe England too. I know that France lost many records during the revolution.
>>221348940>>221349390Churches have records of burials, baptisms, and marriages from the early modern period onwards in most of europe, no? births to a lesser extent which is why that information is often inexact.
Maternal great grandparent were farmersAnd my grandparents still live on the same farm which is no longer operational
>>221349477>Churches have records of burials, baptisms, and marriages from the early modern period onwards in most of europe, no?Yes. But many of that was lost in the times. Many villages were destroyed, resettled or archives were damaged in some shit.Besides Soviets blew up and destroyed around 40k churches.
>>221346996I found out I have a great great grandfather who was Ashkenazi. He was from Romania, and he got a German girl, who was from one of the German communities in Romania, pregnant out of wedlock. He wanted to abandon her and move to one of the Jewish settlements in the pre-Israel region, but the Romanian government did not allow him to leave because they considered it abandonment of family. He ended up marrying this German shiksa and had two more kids with her. Both the German and Jewish showed up in my 23andme. Oh and his name was something very Jewish as well, like Schwartz or Schvartz (the Yiddish variant)
>>221349984How did you find this out?
>>221346996I was born on a farm.
>>221346996Never
>>221350015My uncle randomly claimed that we had Jewish ancestry, and I was in absolute disbelief since I had grown up on /pol/ as a teen and was pretty much a natsoc. He claimed that my grandfather, who died when I was 8, was very open about his Jewish and German ancestry (the German we already knew since he was fluent in German). We then interviewed one of my grandfather’s sisters, who was still alive and living in Germany. That is the story that was communicated to us. And it checks out based on my ancestry results
>>221350141Oh and apparently the brother of this great great grandfather ended up moving to one of the Jewish settlements. I actually got a closer than expected cousin match with an Israeli who had entirely Romanian-Jewish ancestry, so there is a responsible possibility that this Israeli is distantly related to me
>>221350141That's interesting my ancestry is also german speakers from romania , and I've also always wondered if we might have jewish ancestry because of things my mom has said about my great grandpaNot willing to do one of those DNA tests
>>221349477>in most of europe, noYes, but many of them were destroyed during the world wars so they are not complete. Unlike in e.g. Sweden.
>>221346996I'm a third town dwelling generation on my mothers side, and at least 7th on my father's (the genealogical trace disappears at that point). Although my great-great-greatgrandfather was working in forestry for a few decades.Picrel is birthplaces of my direct ancestors, randomized order, earliest birth in 1812. Villages and towns under 100k only.
>>221350303The Germans in Romania were largely Swabians and were there for hundreds of years. My grandfather was from the Banat Swabian community. After WW2, they German communities in Romania were completely uprooted -- they were blamed for WW2 even though they had absolutely nothing to do with it. Three of my German ancestry great grandparents were sent to a Soviet labor camp as reparations for the war, and one died there. The other two moved to Germany after
Dad's side was all farmers until did. Dad chose to be poor inna city because he's a stupid fuckup. Mom's side is three generations of military and i don't know what before then.
>>221346996Depends on what you consider city.My mother grew up in a Polish village. Her parents and their ancrstors were all pedants as you describe. My father grew up in a major metropolitan area in the town just outside the city but still really an extension of it. His grandfather probably grew up a peasant but I don't know if it was laborer in a city or farmer in the countryside.I grew up in a major metropolitan area but at the absolute edge of it. 40 minutes drive to NYC but 3 minutes drive to wilderness hiccsville. I have lived in major cities for the past 10 years and my children will grow up in a rustbelt small 'city' that's half its historic peak population. not far from wilderness. I hate rural shit, I'm an urboid in all ways but too racist to want to expose my kids to joggers which come with the territory
>>221347046Apparently my fathers maternal family were pretty wealthy landowners in their country until commies came in and took most of it and turned it into a mismanaged shithole.My mother’s family was also rural, but more obscure and small scale. All of my grandparents were among the first in their families to jump shit and turn into city slickers though.
>>221346996Dunno, I just know that half of my mother's side comes from Leon and half of my father's side comes from Asturias, and we are from GaliciaI'm an iberomutt, it's over
>>221346996dad has currently found record back to 1500 and we have been rurals and farmers in the same region ever since. obviously some city folks got married into it but we also got some samis and forest finns married into as well. we can narrow it down to a handfull of farms and they are still owned by my family and will be for generations to come.
