Are they secondies or thirdies?
>>221363584Depends on the thread
need to do more special operations first
if we bend the criteria a bit, they would be second world. because of BRICS
>>221363584Thirdie in the sense that some will live a pretty nice live in a modern city while others still shit in outhouses
By classic definition america and allies are 1st. Soviet and ex-soviey are 2nd. Everyone else is 3rd. By common definition based on being poor or whatever they would probably be 3rd.
thirdies, oil rich, corruption rich, extreme wealth disparity. ruled by a dictator
>>221363584Secondies, it has a higher HDI than China and Macedonia , Brazil, and Ukraine hilariously. But people really seethe about them so they might as well be tribals living in mud huts praying to Sauron to rape the world or whatever.
>>221363709St Petersburg and Moscow bring the average up significantly. Everywhere else outside of a couple mining cities are living in pretty severe desperation. It's like saying Kenya is 2nd because they have Nairobi
>>221363584they have two firstie cities (saint petersburg and moscow), then the rest is a mix of 2nd and 3rd world
>>221363742>Everywhere else outside of a couple mining cities are living in pretty severe desperationNot really. Here have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_subjects_of_Russia_by_Human_Development_IndexIts not the 90's anymore, Russia is doing pretty alright by 2nd world standards. Also hilariously their 2nd lowest HDI oblast is the Jewish one right next to the Chechens
>>221363853Yeah bro and where do you think these stats come from? Some impartial third party NGO? Use your brain and talk to some people from Russia
>>221363742>It's like saying Kenya is 2nd because they have NairobiThere is a difference between post-Soviet decay and literal mudhuts. By your logic, Armenia and Georgia are also third world.
>>221363885>all the stats are fake No, they're about as trustable as any 2nd world corrupt as fuck country and yes they do have 3rd parties who can observe these things its not North Korea>talk to russians I do and a lot of russia just seems to remind me of a lot of the rural US and some of our cities with St Petersburg and Moscow seeming more like high tier European places Its been 30 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union and they've bounced back pretty nicely.
>>221364003>and they've bounced back pretty nicely.
>>221364040When are You going back?
>>221364040They have no matter how much you euros seethe about muh Russian orcs or whatever.
>GDP per capita>14k>and they've bounced back pretty nicely
>>221364003>they do have 3rd parties who can observe these things its not North KoreaYou don't understand how authoritarian Russia is. You can go to prison for disagreeing with the state. I will concede that perhaps it isn't so dire everywhere, but trusting Russians stats is very silly. >I do and a lot of russia just seems to remind me of a lot of the rural US and some of our cities with St Petersburg and Moscow seeming more like high tier European placesYou've been speaking to a lot of muscovites then surely. People from an autonomous oblast in Siberia will not have the same opinionsI like Russian people for the most part I have no axe to grind. But, large swathes of the country live in small villages with wood stoves focused on animal husbandry as their sole means of sustenance. Maybe with some crumbling Soviet infrastructure held together by hopes and dreams. I don't think that holds up to the 2nd world definition.
>>221364175>When adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), the GDP per capita is significantly higher, estimated at over $52,000 Its also ranked at 66th for nominal GDP anyways and compared to the 90's they are doing very well by 2nd world standards, yes.
>>221364244>You don't understand how authoritarian Russia is. You can go to prison for disagreeing with the stateSame here and in many western nations unfortunately its just not as obvious. My government does it a lot actually, they just lie about it. Same country with the Esptein problem and a fuck ton of modern slavery that never gets mentioned, as many as 1 million actual slaves even>You've been speaking to a lot of muscovites then sureNah my one Russian buddy was from Vladivostok apparently. >But, large swathes of the country live in small villages with wood stoves focused on animal husbandry as their sole means of sustenance. Maybe with some crumbling Soviet infrastructure held together by hopes and dreams. Dude its not the 90's anymore they have objectively progressed as a society and developed since the collapse from the 90's and that's not just Russian sources its from estimates made by the World Bank. You cant just fake all economic development and activity even with as authoritarian and corrupt Russia is. Yeah the rural parts of Russia just sound like what a lot of rural Montana sounds like to me and their cities sound alright. Yakutsk sounds like frozen Detroit though
>>221364409I've been to rural Montana and rural Siberia. They are leagues apart. It's probably the silliest thing you've said. If you said Appalachia it would be more appropriate. Yakutsk is actually pretty nice despite it being really really fucking cold. People are generally nice and it's fairly rich from all the mining. I get it that you're looking and HDI graphs but it doesn't tell the full story. Maybe when you're thinking of 3rd world you're thinking of Africa where ooga boogas live in mudhuts. Or Mexico where your there's weak rule of wall and intense poverty outside of the provincial capitals. Eastern Europe is a different beast. Go for a visit after the war is over, although it will be difficult because in most of Russia there's not even tourist infrastructure. As for your little infograph there those things aren't published in Russia and are done quietly. Only reported on in private telegram channels. People were arrested a year ago for holding up blank pieces of A1 paper with no context as anti-war protestors. People get arrested for saying "war" instead of "special military operation". They not only don't have an idea of free speech they have compelled speech. Here in Serbia even the Russian government put some pressure to extradite some Russians who were expressing anti war sentiment, and they were extradited. I got to see it happen in real time. If you think you're going to get reliable statistics out of Russia that aren't state sanctioned you're delusional. I still encourage you to visit though. Just be very mindful of what you say and do
>>221364579>rural SiberiaNot all of Russia is rural Siberia and not all of Siberia is really that bad, and yes a lot of rural Montana is very off grid, its worse in Alaska but still. Did you happen to visit any of the reservations? I grew up in Montana so from what ive seen and heard about rural Russia its not that far off. >appalachia Depends on the area, not all of appalachia is that bad off its mostly just parts of West Virginia >Russia is authoritarian Yeah typical 2nd world stuff, Ukraine and Belarus arent much better. In Ukraine they kidnap you off the street in Belarus im pretty sure they just kill you. > you think you're going to get reliable statistics out of Russia that aren't state sanctioned you're delusional.I dont think they were had a gun to the backs of the guys from the World Bank, no. Honestly I think youre falling for propaganda about Russia , also for as authoritarian as they are, and i know this for a fact, they really dont care about their black hats doing anything to other countries as long as they target non Russian infrastructure. They are weirdly authoritarian on certain things like criticizing the war then look the other way for very specific things.
>>221364716>Not all of Russia is ruralYes of course bro it's the biggest country in the world. I'm just saying as someone who has been in the country and mixes with regular Russian people often it's not as developed as you think outside of a few cities. >Did you happen to visit any of the reservationsNot in Montana. I was invited to a few by my drinking pals in southern Oregon and Arizona and those were some of the most fucked up placed I've ever been. In southern Oregon my native friend told me just to not look anyone in the eyes after dark, and there were people fighting in the streets near almost every night. Arizona not much different.>not all of appalachia is that bad offI was comparing it to places where you get into the hills. Where people are living semi off grid and addicted to drugs. It's the poorest part of America I've been to.>>Belarus and UkrainianCompletely different situation, I don't know anything about Belarus or Ukraine first hand. Sounds terrible either way.>>Honestly I think youre falling for propaganda about RussiaWhat propaganda? I'm not a butthurt fin or Baltic. My country is on very friendly terms with Russia. And 200k have came here since the war. I'm in regular contact with several. And I've been to the country a few times. As I said I like them. All the serious black hat groups are state sanctioned and pay their fair share to the people letting them operate btw. No use in arguing. If you can go find out yourself go. I don't care if people are poor or a little backward, it's entertaining. I'm not going to pretend like most of Russia is some well off place with only 2nd world problems though.
>>221364957>it's not as developed as you think outside of a few citiesYeah that's how it usually goes>I was invited to a few by my drinking pals in southern Oregon and Arizona and those were some of the most fucked up placed I've ever been.Believe it or not theyre worse in Montana. Significantly. A lot of them work with cartels and engage in sex trafficking and meth and theyre violent as all hell. In the woods around those areas you really need to be armed and a lot of rurual montana in general are pseudo ghost towns with barely any police presence and pretty degraded infrastructure. Thankfully its gotten better over the years but the 00's were pretty bad. I still dont go anywhere outside the larger towns along the highway here without a gun. >In southern Oregon my native friend told me just to not look anyone in the eyes after darkYep , same shit here. If theyre a meth head they'll start a problem over anything and if theyre Crow theyre probably just drunk and want an excuse to fight either way. >Where people are living semi off grid and addicted to drugs. It's the poorest part of America I've been to.Yeah we have that out here too, except it tends to be meth not opioids >All the serious black hat groups are state sanctioned and pay their fair share to the people letting them operate btw.Afaik they all are connected through mafia groups and work with each other through weird connections but occasionally the state cracks down on them , like with that Mt Gox crypto heist and some of the REvil dudes. >I'm not going to pretend like most of Russia is some well off place with only 2nd world problems though.Eh idk. From what I see from the 2nd world in Belarus Ukraine and Russia it seems to be about the same but I wouldn't call Russian poverty 3rd world tier poverty. Even their state corruption reminds me of american corruption which is far, far worse than anyone really understands though these international corruption indexes never seem to track it somehow.
>>221364716Russia is ruled (inefficiently) by mafia through fake elections. There are several competing clans within this mafia organization. This fact alone raises many concerns. Russia made good money since 2k but now due to sanctions, war, lack of human resources, nepotism, wrong economic projections, corruptions the GDP growth is almost stopped. BTW, you can check Russian cities photos through yandex.ru.
>>221363584Their IQ is the firstie of firstie Average Russian are intelligent more than Japanese BUT they are the melancholic loving self neglecting So they seems Secondie
>>221363584Firsties. Their average wages are around $1000 per month according to russians here
>>221363584By definition, Russia is second world.
>>221365378>Russia is ruled (inefficiently) by mafia through fake elections. There are several competing clans within this mafia organization.Its the same here desu>Russia made good money since 2k but now due to sanctions, war, lack of human resources, nepotism, wrong economic projections, corruptions the GDP growth is almost stopped.Not sure if thats true, they actually overtook Italy's economy during the warm and already have systems to skirt by sanctions that have been in place since Obama started them. >you can check Russian cities photos through yandex.ru.I know, ive seen them. Again, reminds me of home a lot. Theyre very clearly 2nd world
>>221364247>Poor People Points
>>221363617>if we bend the criteria a bitLol wut.You'd have to bend it to say we're third world of anything. We're even considered a developed country by most of the rankings. We're definitely second world>>221363742This is complete bullshit and you're just regurgitating memes from the 90s while having no idea what the country is like nowadays and how fast the regions have been developing for a while. Moscow and St. Petes are far from the nicest cities in the country anymore, richest maybe but also the most expensive.>>221363885>Some impartial third party NGO?I mean most of them do yeah lol. Nobody is faking shit like this dude, you're insane lmao.>>221364244more out of touch horseshit>>221364957I think you're the one who doesnt understand what a second world level country and second world level country problems are and what a third world country is. Go to bed retard.
>>221365378>muh mafiakek
>>221363584First world because they have nuclear weapons
>>221365764Say hello to the Ozero cooperative gang and the yacht-wielding oligarchs. kek
secondeez nuts nigga
>>221365710>Its the same here desubut, at least you have more freedom of expression and more than one players in political establishment. and electorate feedback is taken into account. >Not sure if thats true, they actually overtook Italy's economy during the warm and already have systems to skirt by sanctions that have been in place since Obama started them.GDP growth for 2025 was 1%. 2026 January GDP is declined by 2.2% compared to 2025 January. Cost of war is increasing since West backed Ukraine started successfully targeting production facilities deep inside Russian territory. Men are taken out of economy due to conscription and badly organized immigration can not fill properly demands in the labor market. >I know, ive seen them. Again, reminds me of home a lot. Theyre very clearly 2nd worldDid you check Novosibirsk, Kaliningrad?
>>221366336>Novosibirsk KaliningradYeah, basically just an icier Detroit with less murder. We have severe urban decay in the US still, and theres a town called Gary Indiana which is just a pvp server for serial killers and gangbangers. I think foreigners really underestimate how bad parts of the US really are>least you have more freedom of expression and more than one players in political establishmentEh, sort of. If you're aware of the concept of post totalitarianism we essentially have that here, anything too far outside of the overton window gets clocked by the feds and infiltrated or destroyed eventually and most "dissidents" whether far left or far right usually are under the influence of various psyops or infiltrated by the FBI or CIA. We have freedom of speech only as far as you can stay anonymous and the state cant seem too brutal in whatever its crackdown are. The people we get to elect , with the exception of local elections, usually revolve around spheres of influence around various oligarchs and bureaucratic institutions so we are freer locally at least. >Men are taken out of economy due to conscription and badly organized immigration can not fill properly demands in the labor market.True. They cant sustain the war forever without eventual economic contractions but they've tanked it far better than I thought they would. I thought they would've hit far worse hyper inflation earlier in the war.
>>221363584They have transitioned from 2nd to third. Soon to be fourth
>>221364247According to poor people points Taiwan is the richer than Singapore and America. Yet we are third world low iq shitters so we don't lie to ourselves
>>221367951*We aren't
>>221364003>No, they're about as trustableAnon, the russian government currently claims they have 8% early inflation, while at the same time the key interest rate of the central bank is ~15%. That's not how it works.
>>221367951>if I just hand wave the concept of purchasing power parity as a real economic phenomenon its actually terrible there!Do you understand the difference between nominal and real value?
>>221368063...making them about as trustable of a source as Belarus and Ukraine and other various corrupt as fuck 2nd world countries. I know. No you shouldn't trust the Russian government to be honest nor should you assume they can fake their entire economy so well that 3rd party observers and researchers cant make obvious observations about it. The government can lie all they want but you cant fake an entire economy and if someone could, do you really think the *Russian government* in its absolute incompetence is the one that can actually pull that off? Even the Soviet Union couldn't bullshit itself or the rest of the world about its numbers.
>>221363584yes
>>221368085Notice how it's only third world poor countries that bring up pop?
>>221364716>>221365127>>221368116Stop assuming things about my country and trying to group us together with russia and Belarus, you ignorant cunt
>>221368578You guys are corrupt as shit dude, im not making assumptions you are routinely ranked next to Russia and Belarus
My uncle lives in Russia. In the post soviet 90s russia, robberies for groceries were a common thing so you can say it was third world. Presently places like Petersburg are first world
>>221368675Check again, retard. If what you said was the case, I wouldn't be posting under this flag rn, if at all.Sure it's not perfect, but it's leagues and miles ahead of those two.
>>221367938Hmm...interesting!
>>221363617>brics>not thirdielol
>>221363584Any country with Indian immigrants is at least secondie. I call it the Indian Index. The more Indians try to migrate to your country, the more developed you are.
only relevant parts of russia for me is south caucasus and its dirt poor maybe except Ossetia. ingushetias gdp per capita is like 2.5k dollars or something.
>>221368859>if my country was corrupt then why hasn't it prevented me from posting on 4chanYet Russia and Belarus posters still exist? I said your country was corrupt not a totalitarian autarky like North Korea and yes you guys have that same post Soviet corruption with a fuck ton of oligarchs and mafia
>>221369313i meant north
>>221369318>yank lecturing about oligarchs and mafiaShould we tell him?
>>221369328I'll accept either
>>221363584They are 100% thirdies.They live in third world conditions and also have that thirdie mindset
>>221369359But thirdie countries don't produce some of the best literature in the world!
>>221369340you should cut off Caucasus and your gdp per capita will rise significantly. region doesn't even have any resources.
>>221369332Anon im well aware my country is corrupt lmao im just no in denial of it like the Ukranian, hell our corruption is deeply tied to his corruption on many levels
>>221369318The thing is, oligarchs don't really exist as a political group anymore. A combination of reforms, criminal cases and physical destruction of their assets did its thing.Again, stop assuming shit about my country.
>>221369371They used to be secondie but that was a while agoRussia just never developed further
>>221369554I understand.
>>221363584>was the center of the former socialist bloc non-alignedI know this is b8, but what an absolutely retarded question.
SecondLatinxRussiaChinaTurkeyBrazilEast europeBalkans Middle eastSAEThriediesÁfrica and India
Thirdie passions, a bit less poor.
>>221370816SEA*
snow and frost should cull the population filtering out retards, somehow in russia it didn't work
>>221372032Rent free?
If your country is developed enough that jeets and niggers want to live there, you're a secondieIf your country is such a shithole that not even Indians want to move there, you're thirdie
