People always talk about the Greece and Turkey rivalry. What about Bulgaria? What is their relationship with the Turks?
Honestly who the fucks cares about Bulgaria
Bulgaria is rivals with North Macedonia they are too irrelevant to be rivals to either Turkey or Greece
>>221484271are you angry ;_;
>>221484187My grandparents immigrated from there because of Bulgarians chimped out with the support of Russia
i capture greece flag but i prefer greenland
>>221484271>>221484287settle down, Panagiotis
I fucked a bunch of bulgarian girls in sunny beach in the mid 00’s when we did a drunken lads holiday there, so Bulgaria will always be based to me
>>221484346>Bulgarians chimped outWhat did they do?
>>221484391Kys normalfag
do NOT look up Bulgarian–Ottoman wars wikipedia article
Surprised nobody mentioned the Serbian-Bulgarian rivalry
>>221484428They did quite well honestly
>>221484428if not Russians ... again Russians.
>>221484394A shit ton of ethnic cleansing happened in the balkans in the last 150 years. Also not too long ago bulgaria tried to force a bulgarian identity on their minorities but it didnt work
>>221484394i guess their fault was that they are descendants of the Ottoman Empire who remained there after the retreat of the Ottomans.
>>221484187Bulgaria chimped out in the 80s and started oppressing their Turkish minority. Other than that event we don't care much about them. We don't have any problems with them currently. Greece is hated because they are assholes who think we don't have any rights in the aegean sea despite having a long ass coast there
>>221484613>>221484697https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_expulsion_of_Turks_from_BulgariaIn the 90s damn, didn't know europe at that time was still messy
>>221484786It's nothing compared to things happened during Russo-Turkish wars. The real Balkan Turk immigration happened in this period.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_during_the_Ottoman_decline
>>221484498Wow, didnt know Bulgaria could throw hands like that.
>>221484786to be fair the balkans is barely europe
>>221484869Yeah, but early 20th century was something else though. This was when ethnic cleansing already has become a taboo.
>>221484786>In the 90s damn, didn't know europe at that time was still messyFor the sake of truth, I should also note that several of my Turkish acquaintances of Bulgarian origin were able to regain their civil rights and received a second Bulgarian citizenship few years later.
>>221484930Europe is a continent my guy
>>221484786Wait until you read about the Serbs and Albanians and discover all those turbo folk songs celebrating ethnic cleansing
>>221484346are you white and live in the western regions?
>>221484930Our county is older than France, Pierre...
How do you say it's over in Bulgarian ?
>>221484985Good for them>>221485033There were Yugoslav wars going on at that time, right? It was more tolerable than straight-out peacetime policies.
>>221485166People make jokes about "Mehmet in Berlin" all the time because %5 of our population lives in Europe, meanwhile for Balkan shitholes, especially those who are in EU, it's like +30%.
>>221484775>we don't have any rights in the aegean seacorrect you lost get over it or destroy your economy like iran by chimping out against Europe
>>221484362I knew a nigga called that lol he turned into a giga wigga
>>221485166Why would it be over?, now the forests will expand and nature will recover.
>>221486173Who will pay for elderly Bulgarian's pensions ?
>>221485987>correct you lost We'll have rights as long as we have a coast there>chimping out against EuropeEurope doesn't give a fuck about you. They won't start a war with us just because you have irredentist fantasies.
>>221486214Maybe they should've invested their money better?
>>221485131Bodied that disgusting smelly snail eating freak
>>221486257I think greeces eez claims are absolutely ridiculous but this is also too much
>>221486257mongolia doesnt have a coast in the aegean what are you about
>>221486432What do you think would be a good compromise
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>>221486609Cut off the part more southern than crete and give the shown islands and cyprus a bit more space. I wont blame the turks for not wanting to split the eez near their coast, kastelorizo has a population of 500, is like 5 km from turkey and would give greece eez the size of half of austria, thats just pure greed. Give turkey eez until midpoint dodecanese i say. They shoul be able to go from istanbul to izmir in their own waters
>>221486257It's hilarious that whoever made this map removed the islands close to Türkiye
>>221486805>Türkiyewhy do you say it like?
>>221486805yeah lol no one uses türkiye except erdoğan lol.
Bulgaria has a complicated relationship with Turkey, which is also very onesided, Turks have no idea about any of this.The relationship starts with us getting conquered in 14?? and becoming their subjects. Until 1908 we're stuck being second class citizens like the Greeks are something like half our history classes are about that period and how much it sucked. So we're no fans of the Turks or the Ottoman empire. I've had one shizo professor in Uni tell me how the NWO plots to sell us to the Turks and it's part of (((their))) plan.We still fear and dislike them, however in practical terms we didn't have any conflict with Turkey/Ottomans after the Second Balan war 1913, for the next 112 years we've never fought and we were even on the same side in ww2.Greeks on the other hand experienced ethnic cleansing after ww1, had a conflict over Cyprus, have marietime disputes, and were on different sides in ww1.So in short, we don't like the Turks per say, but the Greeks have a bigger beef with them.Turks on the other hand have no idea, and some are under the impression we like them.
>>221486916>same side in ww2.meant ww1
>>221485131>this is what burglarians actually believe>>221486257it would help turkiye's case if your maps stuck to the principles of international law instead of shameless claims and haggling
>>221486916>Turks on the other hand have no idea, and some are under the impression we like them.we are not naive. usually such statements are published before invasion. lol
>>221486967>meant ww1actually you was somewhat right in the first place.
>>221486650Kek
>>221484786>nooooo you can't just expel the muslim colonizers who raped and oppressed you for 400 years because... BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T OKAY????
>>221486916Sounds like Vietnamese attitude toward China
>>221486214You and Germany unironically
>>221486257again you lost you will never surround greek islands with imaginary eez the only place you could gain some EEZ is at the green circles the rest is pure fantasy and will bring you only humiliation with zero upside
>>221486214Our pension system is not pay as you go.So the answer is the stock market in America.
>>221487239Most these people are ethnic bulgarians who converted you larping chudcel. They are natives and by that logic all canadians should be deported too. And the 90s are way too advanced of a period to condone ethnic cleansing anyway
>>221487450You can't block us from aegean just because you have tiny rocks off our coast. It doesn't work that way
>>221487780again you lost just look at my image you are getting blocked by TERRETORIAL WATTERS from islands that have a population of millions you will never encircle those islands in the Aegean the only place you will get EEZ is on the east med
>>221487450>again you lost you will never surround greek islands with imaginary eez the only place you could gain some EEZ is at the green circles the rest is pure fantasy and will bring you only humiliation with zero upsidethese islands are collective cemetery alike. You should know what happened to russians on zmeiniy island when they tried to hold it.
>>221487884>population of millionsYou really want to talk about population? Seriously? There are barely a million people living in your islands and more than half of them live in Crete meanwhile more people live in the aegean coast of Turkey than all of Greece. We want to use the coastal waters of cities with millions of people and you think we don't have the right because you have a tiny rock with a village on it. This is retarded
>>221488058ok you take the island then what ? you get sanctioned by EU and starve to deaths because you are not Russia with food and energy security congratulations now you hold some islands that give you zero upside and will cost you trillions to hold
>>221488156???mongolia doesnt have coastal cities. it doesnt need a coast
>>221488162>you get sanctioned by EUWhy aren't they doing that now? The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is still going strong 52 years later. No sanctions no nothing. Just admit you're alone in this
>>221488156>We want to use the coastal waters of cities with millions of people and you think we don't have the rightit is not what i think it is what laws say you lost those islands those islands have territorial waters you can use your own territorial waters too nobody is stopping you from doing that
>>221488253i don't care about Cypriots they are subhuman they can deal with their own problems
>>221488162These days, starting a war prematurely means defeat. The longer you stay out of the combat zone, the stronger you are, and the weaker your enemies become as they fight each other.
>>221488265>what laws say Those laws weren't written with Aegean situation in mind. They might work in majority of the world but not here
>>221484187From what I've heard, Turks don't care about Greece at all. According to Turks, the relationship between Turkey and Greece is not like that between South Korea and Japan, where everyone from the media to the government pays attention to every little detail and constantly mocks each other with unpleasant acts.
>>221488346>Those laws weren't written with Aegean situation in mind. They might work in majority of the world but not hereagain we talk about territorial waters not EEZ territorial waters is the same as land
>>221488314Your personal feelings are completely irrelevant. RoC is a EU member just like Greece and Europe does absolutely nothing to help them against us. Being a EU member doesn't mean all of Europe will come to your aid whenever you need them. Learn to fight your own wars
>>221488318turkey literally can't afford to start a war and there is zero gain from starting one all this is Turkish politicians distracting the low iq masses from your failing economy
>>221488349its the other way around. just hang around 4chan and you ll see who talks about who more. turks are born liars. they always project what they do to others.
>>221488442the fact that nobody recognizes your fake state compared with kosovo tells you all you need to know EU gave Ukraine 500+ billions and lost trillions in trade with Russia if you bet that EU will do nothing you will lose badly
>>221488508you are a retard if you put your faith in the eu
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>>221488349>Turks don't care about Greece at allWe have a lot of enemies. Greece is just one of them. It's a very popular holiday destination too but I would never go there and support their economy. We should boycott them imo>>221488508Listen to your compatriot >>221488549 He's one of the smart ones
>>221488349i cannot understand why the japs always outwardly claim that taiwan is their best ally, yet the jap newspapers and tv shows never report on it, the majority of japs do not even know where taiwan is geographically located, and why news and topics about south korea are always the most viewed in japan
>>221488572It really do be like that
>>221488549if EU does nothing about it then Russia will grab the Baltics the next day they literally have no other option but to help in any way EU will not collapse from some 80 iq turks
>>221488447>turkey literally can't afford to start a war and there is zero gain from startingYou read us wrong. The necessity of war and its start time is dictated by the probabilities of the chains of events that will be followed. Secondly, as you said yes we don't want to pay due to limited finance for a war if questions can be settled.I think Greeks are not playing their own book. Your desire for revenge is exploited by the US, Israel and other EU countries. But it is up to you to take sides. Do you remember the referendum on Turkish side of Cypress. It was your chance but you rejected it. We are not after the war but mutually beneficial deal based on existing balance of force. There is nothing yummy left in the EU (except North side) that deserve to pay costly price. EU wasted majority of its resources during costly ww wars. Yet, EU stupidly allowed itself to be in war with Russia. It could sound a bit cynically - this is to our benefit, you are becoming weaker and more negotiable than before.Today's fight is about resources and transport routes outside of the EU.
>>221488469I know you wont believe me when i say im not turk but greeks at least from what ive seen are DEFINITELY are more obsessed with turks than vice versa. Its not very close either.Im sometimes being recommended videos on instagram where people share dna tests or post image of their parents and how they look and every time its a good looking turkish person theres a literal thousand comments from greeks claiming them as greek.The only countries i see turks seethe about on social media are america and israel
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>>221489129EU is your main trading block if you think you can attack a member from it and get away with it you are deluding yourself the only deal you will get is one that will be decided in international courts or get destroyed by a pointless war worse than Ukraine
>>221489248English speaking turks is a minority that is why you don't see them and they are mainly swarming greek post
>>221484271me :(
>>221489350Okay this is just straight cope bruh
>>221489299>EU is your main trading block if you think you can attack a member from it and get away with it you are deludingYou again playing the same CD. I need to repeat myself - the necessity for war is dictated by events which go after it. Only stupid can start a war he can't win. And we are not after the war but deal.
>>221489558you start or not start a war based on the expected outcomes since Greece is not a threat and the outcome under current states (greece in EU turkey not) you can not use the threat of war as a negotiation to gain a deal that favors you outside international law
>>221489734>you can not use the threat of war as a negotiation to gain a deal that favors you outside international lawit is a negotiation, one would use whatever suits the purpose within internationally agreed narrow ethic framework.Power isn't accumulated to be ignored. It serves both as a deterrent and as a catalyst for the enemy's compliance which doesn't necessarily mean its use. Sorry, but politics is cynical, and this doesn't apply only to Turkey but to everyone else sitting behind the table.
>>221490129what i meant is that no Greek politician will take it into account into giving you what you ask for
>>221490129What he's saying my 80 iq friend is you have zero leverage and nobody likes you. Greece could next day decide to unilaterally end your trade customs agreement with the eu and boom goes your economy along with any chance of fighting a war or any chance of exploiting the so called eez that nobody will recognize, if you even manage to capture it that is.
>op asks a question about bulgaria and turkey's relationship since all people talk about is greece and turkey>90% of thread is still about greece and turkeyPoor Bulgaria lmao. Niggas can never be the center of a discussion
>>221491354Bulgaria is so irrelevant that my bet is if you ask any greek under 40 if we fought them in ww1 they would have no idea about it
>>221491354>turks and greeks invade some random thread to shit it up with their tiresome brownpipo pseudonationalist complexes >"haha why aren't bulgarians like us why are they so quiet XD"um thanks I guess?
>>221492421Nah you're just boring so nobody wants to talk about you.
>>221491354that's what they deserve for leaving their volga bulgarian brethren in the dust
>>221492639Toxoplasmosis brain control response.Sotadic hylic puny aura.
>>221486916>I've had one shizo professor in Uni tell me how the NWO plots to sell us to the Turks and it's part of (((their))) planHe's completely right, westoids don't even think you're humans plus Bulgaria has monuments to russian tsars, and average Bulgarian name is Ivan, you're literally russian in anglo eyes and the moment you start acting against their interests they will feed you to Turkey since at least turkey is traditionally anti-russian power in the region
>>221491115>Greece could next day decide to unilaterally end your trade customs agreement with the eudo itare you too cowardly to do anything without your owners telling you?
>>221493590>feed to Turkey this is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory ive ever read
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