I wish China had contacted us instead of the Spanish. They would just peacefully trade with us and even when/if pandemics arrived from Asia Chinese wouldn't use the opportunity to enslave us and kill us and would jus continue trading until the population recovered itself and then the Americas would've been integrated with Eurasia without the native civilizations being destroyed.
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>I wish there were more pinoys in the world
Chinese penis 3cm maxIndio penis 5cm maxEuropean penis 20cm minThis is why
>>221547857Personal experience?
>>221547776Who's us? Without the spanish conquests you would've never been born as you're a mutt rapebaby.
>>221547776Columbus' ships were small as fuck, actually.
meanwhile in the modern day they are basically colonizing africa with extemely lopsided lending and things like the belt and road initiativepeople are so desperate to hate whites they'll ignore anything bad about any other race
>>221547776A huge wooden ship like that is in much greater danger from storms than a small one like Columbus's. Also weird to act like China took the moral high road considering how they colonized Tibet and Xinjiang.
>>221548327Jesus, imagine spending two or three months in that thing
>>221548474i could do it because i'm not a little pussy like you
>>221548509Imagine the smell though
>>221548474
>>221547776This ship was mostly relegated to coastal travelling. The ships required large repairs when the boats went through the open sea to Mogadishu.
>>221548427china was just already too fucking big to manage and kept imploding every time a hurricane or something happened
>>221547776Those ships were used for evil though, the Ming Emperor escaped by sea, and his paranoid Uncle who usurped him made that giant expedition fleet to hunt him down. China never intended to set up trade routes colonies, that was an excuse to hunt down the remnants of the previous government.
>>221547776>ushahaha youre not a fucking aztec you moronstop the larp mexican leftists are so braindead
>>221547776Unless you're some vantablack indio from Yucatan, you're aren't native. Fucking retard. I hate mexicans so much.
>>221547776As soon as you attacked them they would have eaten you in soup
>>221551145Sopa de mexichango uma delicia!
>>221548424You had your turn, now you'll shut up and be conquered by Chang
>>221547776No BWC. No trade. Sory senor
>>221547776That moron in the pic actually thinks that the bigger the ship, the longer it can travel and the better suited it is for ocean voyages. And the fact that you posted it means you're a retard who thinks the same way.
>>221547776>peacefully trade with us you had so much to bond over!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_in_the_Americas#Aztecshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_in_Asia#China
China had all the diseases of Europe and all the Asian tropical plagues as well, the natives would still collapse to epidemics on contact.
>>221549976>>221550079Not a single drop of latinx blood, also european "americans" need to go back
>>221547776China was busy burning their treasure fleet that could barely sail to India because some Muslim eunuchs were rebelling. You had a better shot of being colonized by Mali than the Chinese.
>>221547776Zheng He's ships were nowhere near that big.
>>221551518And? Chinese people wouldn't send ships to then enslave everyone who survived. They'd just keep trading with the people that's left and the population would increase again.
>>221547776Fun fact that I learned in my Chinese history class, Mexican silver was the primary source of currency that the Qing accepted due to its quality.
>>221553375First international currency, biatches!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar
>>221549334This ship, at least this size, never existed to begin with.
>>221553632Still is technically the US based their monetary system on the Spanish dollar, the $ sign was originally a Catholic symbol used primarily by Jesuits. You can find it used in some cemeteries.
>>221554545True, but what I said applies to all treasure ships including this fictional one.
Chinese history is like that one kid who was a pathological liar but for some reason in this case everyone believes them. Sure China you invented everything, had battles with millions dying on each side, and had the biggest and oldest of everything ever, don't bother providing evidence though you're good.
>>221547776Bro you indigenous culture had human sacrifice as a state inforced custom and you also slaved people. If not for the spanish we would be aftica tier nowadays.Not to mention we would have never been born, yeah.
>>221554832No kidding, although it's more like you're forced to believe them even if it makes no sense because of some academic canon. Picrel is the average reading experience regarding Chinese invention, it gets even worse later on when he admits they had next to no formal understanding of physics at the time.
>>221547776It took decades even for the Spanish to figure out how to sail across the Atlantic back to America from Asia. Zhangs would have never made it.
>>221547776In what alternative universe were the native civilization destroyed by the Spanish? Pretty sure they just decided to adopt Spanish culture since it looked cooler than eating kids
>>221547776I understand being butthurt about the US, but pretending that China was a hippie commune at any point in its history is painfully stupid.
>>221557915Modern historiography is just painting all non-white cultures as being utopias before the arrival of the evil white man.
>>221547776chinese civilization was always a bit navel-gazey, I don't think they'd have any interest in running coloniesalso lmao, the point of iberian caravels is that they were really good at sea keeping and fast as fuck so you wouldn't need 6 months of food and water onboard, before that ships had to hop around coastsnot only that but wooden ships fall apart the bigger they are, they can't take the flexing that a bit of waves causeimagine this thing made out of wood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFbVRhpiIHU
>>221558657This but unironically.
>>221547776Bigger doesn't mean better. Spanish galleons were heavily armed, swift, and highly maneuverable warships designed to dominate sea lanes, protect treasure shipments of silver from the New World, and survive rough Atlantic and Pacific waters. They carried dozens of heavy brass cannons. A one-on-one battle would favor the Spanish galleon. Even if smaller in size, the Spanish ships were significantly better armed, had longer cannon ranges, and their specialized hull designs were meant to withstand heavy naval warfare. Besides, Columbus commanded the Santa María, which was a nao, a much smaller cargo ship (a Spanish galleon could be three times larger).Furthermore, Zheng He's disproportionate measurements are not functional and nobody believes them. Either they were a tall tale, or his feet were considerably smaller than ours. In fact, the only archaeological remains found suggest that its actual size was no larger than that of the largest Spanish galleon.
>>221550079This is why Latinos need to impregnate white women to get white maternal DNA in their bloodlines
>>221550079Why can't people make shitpost bait images with accurate clothing and armorNeither the Mesoamericans nor the Conquistadors were dressed like that, see pic for an accurate depiction of Moctezuma II>>221557352Calling sacrifice a "state enforced custom" is a little weird. It was a nearly to literally universal practice in Mesoamerica and tied into many aspects of Mesoamerican religions and belief systems. Like yes, priestly and administrative officials within a given city-state's government would have managed and overseen the sacrifices, and yes sacrifice was undoubtedly leveraged as a geopolitical tool like people in power did with religious beliefs everywhere, and there is even some evidence that sacrifice was mostly done in city-state capitals and less so the smaller towns, villages, and hamlets they had as adjacent dependencies within their kingdom... ...but it's probably not like you had state officials dastardly forcing sacrifice as a practice and custom onto the unwilling populace, it was a also a genuine custom that everybody believed and participated in and collectively perpetuated. To what degree it was sustained through state enforcement and propoganda or not is arguable, but it wasn't something people were desperate to get rid of. In fact when Cortes tried to convince Tlaxcalteca senators to stop doing sacrifices and to convert after they formed their alliance, the senators basically replied by going "Jesus seems cool and all, but we just met and you're rushing things, let us do our thing and we'll look into your religion more later on. Also, you really expect us to give up all our beliefs we've had for centuries? Even if we wanted to do it humor you, the populace and priests would rise up in revolt". Maybe you could argue that that was them BS-ing, but I think it's suggestive of how this was a legitimate society wide thing1/?
>>221548327just like your penis
>>221561674It's also a case of the design of shallow draft Asian junks being fundamentally centuries behind European sailing ships by this point
>>221548327Whoa, that's a cool replica.
Not trying to shit on historical China like the chuds but this is just we wuz tier fabrication. The only reason why the Chinks didn't colonize and take over is because they don't care about things unless it's already developed or rich. White men see undeveloped land and grow it to its potential. Chinks live in the moment. They didn't even colonize Taiwan - the Dutch and Spanish got there first. But once the infrastructure was built the chinks were suddenly interested and genocided all the local negritos and claimed it as ancestral chinese land.
>>221548424They hate whites because they know whites are the safest to hate of the bunch. Whites are too nice and have suicidal empathy. Chinks will just turn everyone into fertilizer without batting an eye.
>>221564329Wrong. The Chinese never went too far from their own lands because they as a culture are highly XENOPHOBIC. Even the thought of conquering other cultures repulses them. So they keep to the similar sinosphere East Asian cultures around them. In the case of Zeng Hi's fleet, the Chinese Emperor feared he might turn into a strong rival, so he ordered the fleet to be scuttled. Strong generals make weak emperors. Stronhg emperors make weak generals.
>>221551487>all the accounts about cannibalism in America come from people who were personally interested in presenting the natives in the most despicable way for their own gainhmmm one might think...
>>221566259They saw Japan as a pirate haven. They saw SEA as barbaric. They saw Taiwan as barbaric. Modern China is the result of the Han systematically exterminating every east asian culture. Jurchen, Manchu, Baiyue etc, all wiped out. Even Malaysia is the result of East Asians migrating south and racemixing/exterminating the native austronesians. Chinese are far more aggressive and genocidal than Europeans except unlike whites they just pretend those people never existed there to begin with.
>>221548424Good. It would be great if others were left to fend off their invaders. But we can’t since some group at the top just has to keep watch of everyone instead of staying in their lane.
>>221548424why is helping a shithole a bad thing
>>221547776>Conquering the planet is evil, carnalLetting monkeys live was the biggest sin the colonial powers ever committed
>>221567296They saw Manchu as barbaric too, look how that turned out.
>>221548427>considering how they colonized Tibet and Xinjiang.False. Manchus did that, the PRC just brought order afterwards. Also both had rampant child sexual abuse and literal terrorists before suppressing them even started. They would also both be Soviet puppets anyway if they hadn't been protected.
>>221567296>Jurchen, Manchu, Baiyue etc, all wiped outTo be fair, those were defensive genocides after they invaded chinaThe issue with Chinese is that when push comes to shove, they don't really mind racemixing which is why taiwanese chinese have a lot of Austronesian DNA and Malaysian Chinese chinkified the Malaysian archipelago while simultaneously becoming more Malay
>>221547776China should have ruled the world, so computers would only be used as calculators that can show still photosThey would use the combustion engine to make a fun barrel that can be rolled from town to town giving people rice wineKnowledge of microbes would be used to create cool microzoos where people can see the "invisible world" and nobody knows what an antibiotic is.
>>221561986In that case, Latinos need both paternal and maternal DNA. Unless you're one of those mutts who think brown people like Spaniards are white.
>>221547776It depends on how much chinks you got, you can get that scenario which is thailand scenario or you can also get singapore situation where chinks replace and colonise you
>>221569217what does any of that have to do with china
>>221569616Chinese are in Singapore because of the UK and it's just one city
>>221562335Cont>>221557915>>221558657>>221561431Obviously Prehispanic Mesoamerica wasn't a utopia (no society is), but can be seen in >>221562335 , many Mesoamericans weren't willing to totally convert, to stop doing sacrifices, or to abandon their existing cultural practices. Or some groups would adopt Christian God, Christ, Mary etc as objects of worship without getting they'd also have to stop worshiping their existing Mesoamerican pantheon. Other communities, even after they ostensibly stopped practicing their prehispanic religion and entirely converted, still did Mesoamerican rites or worshiped prehispanic deities in secretThe Spanish also absolutely destroyed and suppressed parts of Mesoamerican culture and society. The mass-burning of Mesoamerican books and manuscripts is the most infamous instance of this, but plenty of other forms of art, architecture, and a variety of social practices and cultural customs were banned for similar reasons (real or perceived association with pagan religion): the crown even banned Mesoamerican style steam baths after a while, and eventually Indigenous languages were banned in official capacities by Charles II. The fact that Spaniards had more rights and status then Indigenous people within the Colonial system also meant that local nobles and royalty had an incentive to abandon existing cultural traits in favor of Spanish ones to gain statusI can post more quotes like this, especially regarding the mass burning of their books, but just as one example:Bernardino de Sahagun>...This...has happened to these Indians at the hands of the Spaniards...so...trampled...and destroyed, with all of their things, that no resemblance was left of what they were.... So now they are considered...barbarians...in reality, in matters of governance...they are far ahead of many other nations that presume to be...civilized. If even the little that has been found with great effort promises much profit, how much more might there be..."2/?
>>221547776And we would look like shit
>>221547776Old Chinese didn’t want to leave our place at all. And the strategy is always 远交近攻.
>>221551230>Sopa de mexichango uma delicia!Tasty
>>221551605Is this a 1491 map or a 2027 one?
>Chyna invaded nobody at seaLOLLMAO
>>221571646Cont:>>221564329This was also part of the Spanish's motivation for investing so much into the colonization of the Americas, though. Obviously they were willing to pursue colonization to a degree even when they were just poking around the Caribbean and they were encountering mostly simple societies or empty islands, but when they came across evidence that the mainland had advanced civilizations with rich kingdoms and empires, and then actively encountered them and Cortes managed to having planet-aligning luck to actually gain control over the largest political network in Mesoamerica, it gave Spain an incentive to really double down on pursuing further campaigns and expeditions, with the goal of finding more areas with existing urbanized societies to conquerThat's why stuff like El Dorado and the 7 Cities of Gold caught on as legends and rumors: It was them trying to replicate the success they had in Mexico and Peru with Mesoamerican and Andean civilizatios already being highly developed and rich and able to be profited off of3/3 for now
>>221547776China invaded and killed millions throughout Asia. Why are brown people so retarded?
>>221547776nigga. (You) are THE spanish. the fucking colonies were commanded from your cunt.
>>221571950>>221572446Please be patient, Mexican leftists are retarded larpers
>>221566489They didn't call our natives cannibals.
>>221550079you're not med paco
>>221547776China has had slavery too, though I have little doubt that the NAs would be treater better under Asia
>>221574595Did Chinese people sail to other continents to enslave people there
>>221574621they didn't not because they don't want to, but because they're busy killing each other.you fags probably think ancient china is some sort of a utopia when in reality its a fucking hellhole that erupts to barbarism atleast once every one hundred years or so, there's a distinct reason why every cunt in asia have chinese diaspora. clue its the same as this place, because its a fucking shithole.
>>221547776It wasn't a competition on having the biggest ship.
they couldn't conquer, the second arabs got ships they tried to conquer and succeeded, the second normans got ships they tried to conquer and succeeded.. Chinese however failed because they are weak and have lil dicks
>>221547776>crew of 240-300How?
>>221574768>why every cunt in asia have chinese diaspora.Yes, the reason being that Chinese people love trade.
>>221557352>you also slaved peopleBack then, who didn't?
>chinks were le peacefulholy retarded nigger
>>221567296They are just asiatic rome. The main difference why no one in europe is obsessed with restoring the HRE anymore, while china will keep breaking and reuniting is because they are culturally docile.
>>221569037>didn't mention PRC once>thirdie shill comes running to defend them anywayclassic
>>221547776I hope that in the future, when China becomes the world's leading power and turns out to be like all empires, Mexicans will be the first to experience the worst type of exploitation at the hands of their masters.
>>221547776The size isn't everything. This kind of ships from picrel usually had more than 100 meters length. It's a trade ship going down by rivers.
>>221575545bro that is a whole building complex going down a river
>Lantinx made retarded thread again
