They gave your country a blueprint and you still don't follow it
>>221575034I'm sure plenty of smaller states follow it. But I've yet to see larger nations implement it effectively.
>>221575034Singapore is a city that connects the Indian ocean with the Pacific. Switzerland developed naturally over centuries and offers no examples of forced modernization.
Both singapore and switzerland are the way they are because of geographya country like ukraine or armenia will never be able to "copy" them
>>221575296>naturally over centuriesThey were dirt poor yokels up until the 20th century. This is explicitly stated in their national museum in Zürich.
>>221575323Switzerland's geography is terrible economically. They have no natural resources. Huge mountains prohibit travel and trade. You can say "muh protection" but so what? Nepal has mountains too. And Singapore is sitting at a trade route but so are other countries much poorer than it
Each country faces unique challenges and thus requires unique solutions. Of course some policies are generally just better than others, but just copying others won't yield the same results. You have to adapt it to your specific challenges. If america copied nordic prison system it wouldn't magically transform america into a high trust society. If Nordics copied american taxes, it wouldn't magically spawn 10 tech giants and double our GDP.
>Step #1: Be cowardly non-aligned NPC's I can't respect it, nations should run the gauntlet and dare to be great beyond their capabilities desu
I don't know about Switzerland but Singapore is a capitalist shithole. I'm certain all of you will balk at the suggestion that your population should be 1/3 foreigners and you're going to have to compete with them for jobs while being disadvantaged with 2 years conscription. And forget about being a NEET a living off unemployment benefits.
>>221575518However, I will concede that 0 capital gains tax is one of the few benefits of living here.
>>221575348Basically, all of Europe was poor until the 2nd half of the 20th century, and many ultimately just fled to the colonies to escape wars, factory slavery, and overpopulation. I'm not talking so much about wealth as about the education system, socio-political institutions, and ultimately mentality. All of this developed naturally in Switzerland, no dictator came along and dragged the population out of the Middle Ages in the span of one or two generations.
>>221575698nice goalpost moving
>>221575376>Switzerland's geography is terrible economically. >And Singapore is sitting at a trade route but so are other countries much poorer than itHelvetica has direct operational access, via barges on the Rhine, all the way down to the Rotterdam port. Basel has a river port/intraport/inner port.
The fascinating thing about Lee Kuan Yew is that he made three important decisions right at the beginning for Singapore. Each one now seems obvious, but each one was deeply contested at the time.Number one, he said, “Everyone is going to speak English in Singapore.” There were lots of people who said to him at the time, “No, no, we need to have our own local language. We need to stay true to our roots,” and so on. But he said, “No. English is the language of the world. We are all going to speak English.”Secondly, he said, “We are going to get the best intellectual capital from wherever it exists in the world, and we are going to bring it to Singapore.” Again, people said, “No, we should stand on our own two feet,” and objected to bringing in British expertise because of past disputes. But he said, “No. I’m going to bring in the best people from wherever they are, and they are going to come to Singapore.”The third thing he did was say that there would be no corruption. One of the ways they would achieve that, he argued, was by making sure political leaders were well paid. Singapore’s political leaders became among the best paid in the world, alongside a policy of zero tolerance for corruption.Those were the three decisions that were instrumental in building Singapore into what it is today.
>>221575894the third point seems weak imo. Our politicians receive upwards of 7-8k euro a month when you add up all their bonuses, this is probably equivalent to 14-15k euro in Western Europe in terms of purchasing power and they're still corrupt as fuck. American politicians are all millionaires and still engage in shady ass deals for influence. It's not obvious to me that richer politicians equals less corruption
>>221575034My country is equal or arguably even better in some aspects though?
>>221575960you used cheat codes
>>221575698>All of this developed naturally in Switzerland, no dictator came along and dragged the population out of the Middle Ages in the span of one or two generations.t. guy that has somehow never heard of Napoleon
>>221575977Then whycomebeit no other petrostate has pulled it off, hmm?
>>221575940I just did some calculus; the Prime minister of Singapore earns 44 times more than the average Singaporean. The Bulgarian Prime minister earns 10 times more than the average bulgarian. so if the bulgarian prime minister would have the same relative wage you should pay him 4 times more than he already earns.
>>221576105I'm half-joking really. I think Norway is great. I just hope you don't get bullied out of your oil and sea access by aggressive superpowers in the future
>>221576130in addition, the US president only actually earns 8 times as much as the average american officially.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rdk4m82n6ohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teh_Cheang_WanThe claim that high pay prevents corruption is the biggest load of bull.
>two chinks admire two impractical shitholes
>>221575034We can't follow them because we're communist. China is the only one we can copy. It's grim
>>221576311>impracticalI lived in Switzerland for 3 years and it’s anything but impractical. Country works like a clock.
>>221575894Lol. The cult of LKY is misled. Singapore was the British main naval base in the SCS and Pacific. That meant it had extensive port facilities that Singapore inherited. Due to the naval base, the public infrastructure was also highly developed by the British. Essentially, LKY got a turnkey operation right from the start. He didn't need to do anything to raise capital or invite FDI. The country has been coasting on this head start for 60 years now but Malaysia, Thailand has caught up, with Indons and Vietnam hot on their heels. Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia have built and joined train tracks from China to Malaysia's Port Klang, bypassing Singapore. Goods from China can now take 2 weeks faster to reach Malaysia and then to the West. The writing is on the wall. They have to turn into SEA's Monaco or wither away.
>>221577955>writing is on the wall
>>221578551Poland vs Malaysia is even more hilarious because you started out behind them because of gommunism
Well, they are importing jeets and chinks now. I was expecting singapore to be like monaco or scandi tier lifestyle but chinks gonna be chinaman company style in the end of their life. They even resorted to be the chinks money launderer for people running out of there.Previously they were just taking in african warlords and others corruption money. Still, singapore got the money, lets see if they are serious in actual nation building or just continue getting "swindled" by jeets and others as a source for their new citizen.>>221580333EU money and NATO money brought it helped a lot especially due to the ruski hohol issue.
>>221575034That blueprint is too dishonest and inhuman for even my country to follow.
>>221575034We should try emulate to Switzerland and should've started a long time ago.But our political class is extremely traitorous and and always tries everything to keep their power so they would never accept something like direct democracy.Singapore is more of a negative example for me(soulless capitalism, multi ethnic society that's only held together by a authoritarian government, etc.), but I suppose to thirdies it might look better.
>>221576389any examples of this outside trains and shit being punctual?
>>221575437>If america copied nordic prison system it wouldn't magically transform america into a high trust societyIt would lead to lower rates of recidivism and prisoners becoming hardened.
>>221575034That's what I've been saying for years, but we don't have a Lee Kuan Yew and hurricanes would probably fuck us over before we'd ever finish replicating it. We'd also require sovereignty to replicate it. Only one of the two will likely happen (independence), and it won't be under ideal terms for us. I imagine they'll give us the boot once the US national debt starts becoming more cumbersome.
