>>221583528
they're united in their hate for turks despite that kurds basically are living in former armenian areas and they both seem stuck in the past with a victim mentality

assyrians are the only ones somewhat sane who are willing to move on

t. urk who met quite many mixes of mena ppl

>>221583602
why are alot of (especially in Germany) Turks inclined to believe all kinds of schizo shit? They believe all kinds of historical people were turks, native americans were turks or how the whole world actually plots against turkiye.

>>221583660
don't know any german turks but they tend to be schizos because they lack a identity and came from rural families that had never seen a city.

Since you retards didn't bother trying to integrate them back in the 60s they've ended up adapting schizo identities and that's ur problem now

>>221583528
Kurds killed Armenians and blamed it on Turks

>>221583528
historically they were both slaves of either Persians or Turks

both are buckbroken by turkey

>>221583660
>They believe all kinds of historical people were turks, native americans were turks or how the whole world actually plots against turkiye.
They are the product of schizo cold war curriculum. Nobody believes in those things anymore except those old people.

>>221583973
its here very common amongst turks. Also very common among them to believe all kinds of schizo shit along Atatürk. They very much still talk about stuff over 100 years ago like its midern geopolitics saying he was a jew, gay a illuminati and thinking ottoman empire was this invincible empire which the fought against the whole world.

>>221583660
>They believe all kinds of historical people were turks,

low-level self spreading propaganda alike urban legend.

>>221584075
looks like they're spewing the same shit pakistanis and ottoboo arabs tend to spew online.

if they said any shit about ataturk publically in e.g antalya/istanbul they'd get beaten on the streets, but like i said before these schizos are your own integration problem, has zero to do with turks or turkey.

>>221583768
>they lack a identity

actually, they don't. this is exactly what they need to stick to for societal integrity. Yes, it could be wrong or right but this belief serves as a barrier against ethnic identity dissolution so common in Europe. together with religion.
Society is made of people of different roles. They serve their own role.

>>221584075
It's you fault. They themselves say they don't feel belonged to neither Türkiye nor Germany. You discriminated them and this is how they ended up now. But you can't do the same thing to Arabs, Afghans and Africans. They roam the streets, rob you, rape you, kill you and you can't do anything because you are a pussy.

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>>221584154
This guy is the spiritual leader of turks in Germany and he bashed ataturk constantly

>>221583528
you should put chronology info on the lower map so people would know when this happened.

>>221584232
>They serve their own role.
Committing petty crime and dealing drugs?

>>221584232
their "ethnic identity" is on the same level as HAPAs or haplo autists, they're mentally ill - it's not a true identity but a literal cope to make up for what they are lacking in reality.

if they had a genuine identity they wouldn't come up with meme astrology tier events like some twelve year old woman with borderline personality disorder

>>221584354
you are right. If we take example of turks in germany again most of them are descend of iliterate Villagers- yet are the proudest of the achievments of the Ottomans which they most likely had verly low Connection to. Everytime i see someone half german half something else they often become either the biggest patriots of their "homeland" or the bigges nazis lmao. Its compensation

>>221584279
>Committing petty crime and dealing drugs?

Sweden hosts more than 100k of turkish citizens. I don't know how many of them are kurds. They could look similar to you. Regardless. Are you claiming that all this people commit crimes?
What stops you from prosecuting all of them?

>>221584265
>kadir misiroglu
>trabzonite "turk" with a identity crisis who goes total fullblown schizo

desu, he fits the "german turk" stereotype rather well, he's in reality a literal schizo who hated the old establishment who were "secular turks" and believed in some kind of pan-ottomania instead

>>221584354
>their "ethnic identity" is on the same level as HAPAs or haplo autists, they're mentally ill - it's not a true identity but a literal cope to make up for what they are lacking in reality.

It is a low level belief kind of ideology, not illness. Legends work better than truth. They will believe it regardless of what you say because you are not a trusted source of information.
They need a reason, they found it.
Similar patterns can be found in other ethnic groups too.

German flags ITT are turks, swedish flags are kurds

>>221584504
>you are right. If we take example of turks in germany again most of them are descend of iliterate Villagers- yet are the proudest of the achievments of the Ottomans which they most likely had verly low Connection to. Everytime i see someone half german half something else they often become either the biggest patriots of their "homeland" or the bigges nazis lmao. Its compensation

You lack passionate people. Dont be jealous. lol

>>221584666
not really, ppl who have an identity know who they are, these people don't.

you can see same shit in kurd diaspora, they don't speak kurdish, larp about kurdish nationalism or become super white wannabe centric and hope for white acceptance or a mix of both.

Only time I had a identity crisis was when I was in high school, these people are like that the entire time

>>221584745
What is there to be jealous about?

>>221583528
kurds didn't use to live that far west. they lived in western iran and started moving west in the middle ages

>>221584796
If you don't understand this you can't understand why Europe is in crisis.

>>221584816
passionate people are what keep country from failing and are required to take it forward.
They are my people and i love them regardless of fallacy they have in their mind.
Over time they will become more educated.

>>221583528
Kurds are originally from zagros mountains. They are iranic. Shah Ismail I resettled them in eastern anatolia 500 years ago.
Armenians have completely different origins. Their presence in the area goes back thousands of years. They have a long and well-recorded history and distinct culture with their own writing system. Kurds are ooga boogas in comparison with no real history or culture

>>221584976
cringe. imagine simping for diaspora scum

>>221585008
>Shah Ismail I resettled them in eastern anatolia 500 years ago.
No it was Yavuz. He didn't want Shia Turkmens who were in favour of the Shah living at Iran border so he did harsh things to Turkmens to expel them to Iran and resettled Sunni Kurds to the South-Eastern Anatolia.

>>221584976
funny since i don't see how they benefit your country here

>>221585155
>funny since i don't see how they benefit your country here

it crosses borders, we have similar people here. those abroad will be here if needed.

>>221585088
>cringe. imagine simping for diaspora scum

Do you judge people only by their knowledge or are human qualities also taken into account?

>>221585098
>resettled Sunni Kurds to the South-Eastern Anatolia.
and granted them special rights .

>>221585098
because azeris were our enemies back then, safavids was literally shia turkoman dynasty and Yavuz was afraid they'd take safavids side.

so he did a "population exchange" where he took sunni kurds (most of iran hadn't converted to shia yet) and deported the shia turkmen.

probably the biggest mistake in ottoman history, other than Abdulhamit being mentally retarded

>>221585722
whats so about about from a modern standpoint? Aren't most kurds very turkified by now?

>>221585722
>because azeris were our enemies back then, safavids was literally shia turkoman dynasty and Yavuz was afraid they'd take safavids side.

modern national identity adoption came much later (iirc 19th century) than events happened between Ismail and Yavuz.
Tribe and religious identities were in force when war between them happened.
Basically it was a fight between kings.
Not sure if azeri is a correct name for tribes on Ismail side. That name should be invented much later.
Descendants of shia turk tribes can be found in Iraq. They don't call themselves azeri.

>>221586042
>whats so about about from a modern standpoint? Aren't most kurds very turkified by now?

i can't tell so. Kurds still stick to the tribe identities, except left marxist kurds you had a lot in Germany. BTW, considerable of community you call turks are kurds indeed.
Tribes or asirets are how they are organized (except left). There are more than 300 kurd tribes in Turkiye.

>>221586042
many are, but this caused the issue because it depopulated the east from Turks and brought in mass amount of kurds, rather hard to assimilate something when Turks are a minority there. It also made assimilation of eastern groups (armenians, assyrians) impossible as well, not that the ottomans were keen on assimilating minorities anyway.

it's a bit like protestant germans kicking out all bavarians and then resettling it with protestant mountain people (swiss?) lmao

>>221586054
this logic applies everywhere, france flip flopped sides all the time despite being catholic, but it was still a bad idea instead of resettling the area with sunni turks

>>221586151
aren't you guys alao organised in tribes? Ofc depends in many cases

>>221586230
no, the republic is pretty much civic nationalist oriented and Turks aren't really known for tribalism as they'd often intermingle and intermarry other cultures / groups.

>>221586230
me? no. i am only bound to national and ethnic (turk) identity. lol

>>221586317
So you dont feel connected to countries like kazakhstan by blood?

>>221586457
some schizo turanists do, but it's mostly a meme. If you mean crimean tatars, gagauz, north caucasian groups it's different because a lot of Turks are descended by those groups, but kazakhs? it's a bit like hungarians doing the turan larp

>>221586317
also now i remember who you are. You're the Psychology Turk lol who cant date turkish women

>>221586560
me? I dated many and still do but 90% are too crazy and needy, I'm too too much of a chill guy and it drives them crazy.

are you the german guy with a turkish gf? or some diaspoo?

>>221586612
>I dated many and still do but 90% are too crazy and needy, I'm too too much of a chill guy and it drives them crazy.
thats what i meant. You argued with this bosnian schizo like a year ago or something. I once meet with a turkish girl but nothing to serious. But i cant stand Germans girls either really. Kind of like the opposite extreme of what turkish girls are like

>>221586745
yeah, same issue with swedish girls here. I find them too boring and NPC like. I need something in the middle but those women seem like unicorns.

>>221586887
>I need something in the middle but those women seem like unicorns.
lmao true, you would've think slavic girls are the Balance but no they are very egocentric , spoiled and oppurtunistic. Also they love to test you with provocations but once this happens i usually cut it off. Learned my lessons

>>221586985
never had any good experiences with slavic women lol. Turkish women can be spoiled and toxic af, but they atleast put in effort into the relationship.

their entitlement is more like emotional dependance and just wanting too much reassurance, basically too needy.

with slavic woman my experience has been way more narcissistic and materialistic, it's like you are their replacement daddy wtf.

desu, a lot of turkish women are like this too, but they are often seen as "white trash" and easy to spot, just didn't expect to see this behavior from slavic women as much.

>>221587344
>never had any good experiences with slavic women lol. Turkish women can be spoiled and toxic af, but they atleast put in effort into the relationship.

their entitlement is more like emotional dependance and just wanting too much reassurance, basically too needy.

with slavic woman my experience has been way more narcissistic and materialistic, it's like you are their replacement daddy wtf.
Couldnt explain it better. Though i must say i can only speak on East Slav women. Maybe Balkan Slavs are a bit different in this regard

More like if France was conquered by Arabs and the Arabs decided to settle Afghan Pashtun tribes in France and after Arabs decided to genocide French people the Afghan Pashtuns became the new majority in France itself.

>>221583528
>Armenians
Settled in east anatolia/south Caucasus for thousands of years
>Kurds
Nomadic, went around the general area

>>221583528
Do kurds have any history? Not even meming did they ever have their own state or a country?

>>221590995
they claim medes as their own lol

>>221584976
Yeh you kinda have to delude yourself that much is true. If delusions give you strength than they are good immo. All religions are delusioms at the end of the day but if they give you the strength to do good and be productive why not? This is especially true for Turkey which is rhe weirdest country in the old world. You guys larp as central asians but genetically speaking are the same people you claim to have conquered this in itself probably creates a lot of contradictions.

>>221587344
Of course not all of them but for some rwason and absurdly high percentage of slavic women are super materialistic. Its not a meme when they say they demand to be driven around in a mercedes or bmw, at WORST. Despite having fuck all to show for it
>>221590995
Saladin but other than that their history is quite lacking, at least in terms of statehood

>>221591302
I have seen enough in Antalya to know how slavic women operate, the thing is certain "turkish" (pretty much all of them were kurd expats lol) are willing to pamper them as long as they get pussy, you can see same thing in Dubai, with pajeets etc.

they are basically no different to prostitutes, as long as they get pampered by some sugar daddy.

also, all my friends who were to together with slavic women literally got traumatized post breakup and were financially ruined, so yes i'd probably avoid them.

>>221583528
Kurds are a gigamutt self identified ethnicity that absorbed any destitute neighboring tribe of persians, arabs, caucasians
The relation between them and armenians is that they sold out armenians to ottomans
Disregard anything written above my post

Kurds killed and then stole the land of Armenians on behalf of Turks, that's the correlation lmao

>>221588487
So what? Anglo Americans should give their lands to native Americans?

Based thread

>>221594401
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