Why do aymericans shit on university education so much? Even if you graduate with no debt they'd still give you shit for pursuing an education.Are they actually jealous and this is their sour grapes cope so they could feel better about themselves despite never having accomplished anything or worked hard for anything and squandered away their key to upward social mobility? or do they genuinely believe going to university to become qualified for a high paying job and raise your social standing and broaden your horizons is somehow, someway, a bad thing?Muttistani anti-intellectualism is very bizarre, someone going to university is a personal insult to them.Imagine living in a culture where education is not valued but actually persecuted.
>>221583643That's being shallow and petty as fuck lol. Why the fuck would you care about other people's educational path? No wonder your country is so fucked.
>>221583643And wtf is that supposed to mean??
>>221583794He is probably talking about affirmative actions or some other shit.>>221583794
>>221583686>>221583794you wouldn't get it
>>221583550Because even someone with no degree in america can still get a high paying job with no effort. That's just how it works there. It's not a social status thing or your entire personality like in thirdieland.
>>221583550Statistics says that tertiary education rate is over 50% in the USA, so you're listening to a loud minority. And keep in mind they have a very competitive culture, so some people try to compesate their lack of education by framing the ones who pursued it as losers who felt for a scam
>>221583550because you spend two years on useless shit and charge you out of the arse for tuition and housing for their "experience"and then watching the useless idiots get financial aid for their bloated system while middle class has to pay their way through and then universities essentially serving as marxist indoctrination camps and the smugness that exists among them i despise it so much id tactically nuke every single university if i had the power
Well, my dad sent me to study in a shithole instead of the uS and I think he bribed for my degree..
>>221583550Going to college is still worth it if you pick your career carefully and pay your debt back in a reasonable manner. But it has many, many issues here such as>stunting development through an "extended highschool" social life where we treat young adults like children to appease their helicopter parentsThese people end up coming out of college at 22 with no idea how to live without being told exactly when to shit and where>people who get pushed into college ASAP with no plan who dont pick a lucrative degreeThey end up either dropping out saddled with debt they cant pay or graduating with debt that still cripples them for decades>lowering of standards to allow more students and more profit under the guise of inclusivityLowers the quality of the education and the value if the degrees, which means enployers have higher standards, or you need to take even more years of schooling to get through the shitty low level tutorial classes which still cost you tens of thousands.Last but not least>heavy liberal presence that discourages opposing viewpoints even to the point of banning them from campusesYou cant even argue fundamental american ideas like freedom of speech or right to bear arms without basically getting kicked out.So it creates a pretty negative experience for white Gen Z men, and results in a lower quality of education for anyone who wasnt hyper focused on a very lucrative degree.
I'm not American, but here's my take on this subject:Less than 60 years ago, it was very common for people to become a business manager with little more than a high school diploma. Degrees were, for the most part, for people like doctors, lawyers, and engineers, who usually did get paid quite well and could afford to live in a really nice neighborhood. If somebody a university degree, you could almost be sure that they were quite smart.Then over time, universities started lowering admissions requirements while raising tuition fees. Sooner or later you had tens of thousands of people with degrees in Business Administration, Accounting, Industrial Engineering, Psychology, and Art who, despite not necessarily being much smarter than the average person, still somehow got through university, and all while having girlfriends and boyfriends and partying every weekend (compare that to how it was back in the Middle Ages, when most people who got through university were literal sexless monks). Sooner or later, it became very common for business managers to be expected to at least have a bachelor's degree. By the time my dad graduated, bookkeeping was no longer something that any man could learn to do on his own with a little book, but rather something that had to be done by professional accountants on specialized software like Lotus 1-2-3. Not only that, it became increasingly common for people with bachelor's degrees to live in middle class or even lower-middle-class neighborhoods.By now, bachelor's degrees are the bare minimum requirement not to run a business, but just to get a simple office job in data entry or as a secretary (whereas only a generation ago, that would've been doable for people with the equivalent of what Americans call an "associate's degree"), and business administrators, engineers, and psychologists are expected to have nothing less than a fancy master's degree from a high-ranking university.1/2
>>221583844Very few universities even do DEI, vast majority don't use race or are holistic. Havard outright sends admissions to students in areas that typically don't apply there if they meet the grades. It's such a dated talking point.
The problem is not that having a bachelor's degree, or any kind of post-secondary education is in itself bad, but rather that pushing all young people towards upper education means that it makes it easier for employers to simply raise the bar in terms of requirements, rather than giving more actual opportunities for jobs for young people. If employers need a prospective job applicant to be drawn from the top 1% in terms of qualifications, then they will claim to be searching a person with an associate's degree if a high school degree is the norm, a person with a bachelor's degree if an associate's degree is the norm, a master's degree if a bachelor's degree is the norm, a PhD if a master's degree is the norm, and a post-doc if a PhD is the norm. The problem is that the more willing young people are to accept higher education, the lower the status is for any one kind of post-secondary education level, so by becoming part of a pool of candidates with a given qualification level, all those candidates in turn become equal (or equally likely to be rejected) as those on their same level of qualification.This, by the way, I'm saying as a man who's just about to graduate college, and applying for jobs that people with an associate's degree would normally be more than sufficiently qualified for (industrial maintenance, in case you're wondering).2/2
>>221584087>So it creates a pretty negative experience for white Gen Z men.They seem pretty bitchy. A lot of those points are either pretty laboured or ignores the facts that employers go out of their way to try to underpay workers or try to create a reason to not employ American grads or training their own employees.
>>221584323why the fuck would you employ these idiots being trained in these marxist indoctrination campsthey dont particularly work hard or were trained particularly welltheir equivalents in india or elsewhere are simply their superiors
>>221584294>>221584237That's all part of being in an educated state. The alternative is honestly much more dire. See many states who lack skilled workers in a field so they have to find foreigners (I.E. Westeners, Indians and Chinese) to fill the gap and end up paying much more for it.Also a ton of the problems with unemployment comes from employers making people in sectors do shit like sign non-compete clauses. Being able to create the problem lets them be able to fine tune it at a whim to suddenly "solve" it. It's why you can't trust what almost all of them can say.
>>221584364>Hurr Durr! Marxism is bad! I don't wanna be paid 100% of my labor, time, and effort's worth, i rather be paid chicken feed for it and be paid as little as possible! I love being exploited and overworked and having my labor stolen by billionaires.I love living is a vertical society where there are masters above me and potentially slaves bellow me!>I will kill and die for the elite who see me as dirt and a subhuman to continue exploiting me for their own profit!>I HATE and look down on smart people who are not happy with this status quo and think they deserve better than the declining squalor we currently live in. They're plain stupid for trying to pursue their own intrests to the detriment of the greedy oligarchs who oppress both them and us instead of undying supporting the state that fucks me over to the benefit of the plutocrats!>Ooga booga! Marxist are dumb and I'm smart! Derpy derpy doo!
>>221584364Why are you trying to channel Boomer seethe? >their equivalents in india or elsewhere are simply their superiorsAnd you think supply flow of labourers will be endless. Like once the South and East Asians stop coming or leverage their options elsewhere as developing states grow the alternatives as the next best thing will be more limited. That's when the employment crisis will spiral out of control. You think employers would suddenly switch to Latinos, SEAs and Africans as employees in their tech companies and startups with the current political climate as is?
>>221584520communists and national traitors like you get shot in tunisiayoure not algerian little bro watch your back
>>221584572plenty of indians and chinese in southeast asia hire those guys whytes are lazy communist idiots
>>221583794>>221583686American education means nothing because there are no standards. You can get a masters degree in this country without ever reading an entire book from kindergarten all the way to writing your master’s thesis. It all means literally nothing. The only exception might be a medical degree and a law degree because there are still some standards for those. Black women are the most “educated” demographic in this country if you consider just who has degrees. That should tell you everything you need to know about the state of our education system.
>>221584612Why did you post a picture of Erdogan
>>221584612>communists and national traitors like you get shot in tunisiaLmao the Tunisian government is a joke.>>221584707>You can get a masters degree in this country without ever reading an entire book from kindergarten all the way to writing your master’s thesisI seriously doubt that.>Black women are the most “educated” demographic in this country if you consider just who has degrees. That should tell you everything you need to know about the state of our education system.That tells me your a loser who hyperfixates on blacks as a coping technique. This is why no one takes Amerifats seriously anymore.
>>221583550We're among the most educated countries in the world in terms of degree completion. Wtf are you talking about?
>>221584458>See many states who lack skilled workers in a field so they have to find foreigners (I.E. Westeners, Indians and Chinese) to fill the gap and end up paying much more for it.This still happens in the west despite the highest university enrollment rates on the planet. The reason is because universities are selling degrees to study retarded subjects, or subjects that have nearly zero chance of getting them a relevant job.
>>221585626>The reason is because universities are selling degrees to study retarded subjectsThere's no real "retarded subject" you do know many people get employed in well earning jobs that don't nearly line up with their degrees.
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>>221583550why does this nigger spend so much time talking about university on /int/? We get it bro you made it, congratulations
>>221585782Except graduate outcomes measurably differ based on subject, so no, you're not just wrong but likely a retard studying humanities too
>>221583550the humanities are dead. they'll look down on you for getting a degree in that field because it's not useful in their opinion. that utilitarian mindset is what drives the university hate. young people only want to go into STEM because they think they'll get a high paying job, even though the job market is saturated as fuck. universities take advantage of the massive influx of STEM students who neither read or write. they'll point you toward getting a masters or phd degree to fuck you even harder, it's grim
>>221584035>i despise it so much id tactically nuke every single university if i had the powerthis is a future school shooter, keep an eye on him
>>221584323they can get away with underpaying as there's an oversupply of those with the degree, the wages just deprecate and it fucks those who obtained the degree in debt
