>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldPrevious Thread: >>221572590
The last thread got 21 whole replies. Let's shoot for 22 this time fellas
>>221590337>2 replies>page 6/lang/ is over, who do we blame
Obligatory I need advice on a chinese name:谭逸颖
>>221590337Lang has fallen billions must remain monolingual
>>221591447Pretty good, the sound yìyîng is maybe a bit uncommon but the 字面上意思 and elemental alignments are fine
>>221590337We solved this problem beforeThe thread needs a sexy woman OP image to actually live
>>221592070Genuinely appreciate it, we have to submit a name for class and I've like the sound of it but have been overthinking it for a hot minute.
>>221591310I blame AI
>>221590317How many years of daily practice would it take to become fluent in Mandarin starting from scratch?
>>221594123depends on how many hours per day. couple of years anyhow
>>221594412>Uyghur is cat VScary...
>>221590317Is it okay to have a bit of a foreign accent or is that a privilege only ESLs have?
haven't finished anki yesterday. haven't touched it at all today. it's over
Anyone here learn French after knowing English and Spanish? I am thinking I might take the plunge because I'd be learning it with some cheat codes on.
German has alarmingly little native content compared to other Germanic languages, except at the highest levels of proficiency.>>221591310No questions about which language to choose are to blame. I tried to replace that with a discussion about literature, but despite a few (I think two) replies, I killed the thread about two threads ago>inb4 go to /lit/They don't read and that was a /lang/-related topic because I wanted to hear your opinions on which Romance language, in your view, has the best literature and why
>>221596473It's easier if you learn Italian first and then French. French shares many verbs and grammatical structures with Italian
>>221591447>谭逸颖>the 字面上意思 and elemental alignments are finewhat does it mean? how do you guys even figure out names?
>>221596687I don't really have much of an interest in Italian to be honest.I find French to sound very romantic and aristocratic.
>>221596863Don’t waste time learning a language you have no interest in. Just learn the language you want to know.
>>221596863learn french by all means then
>>221596558Portuguese lit has some gems but nobody outside of Brazil/Portugal gives much of a fuck about it, pretty sad. The book Grande Sertão Veredas is kinda like brazillian Ulysses and all the wacky shit Fernando Pessoa was doing is pretty worthwhile too
What books/comics/written works in general are you guys reading in your lang? I've been reading 闇の声, shit's great and simple to read, and it gets my dick wet too
>>221598930Read real literature like 夏目漱石
This might be a long shot, but does anyone happen to have a kindle compatible Icelandic to English dictionary?
I did what Language Jewnes told me to do with Anki this week and holy shit it's amazing. The improvement in understanding is crazy and I'll be doing it every single week from now on
I’ve taken to watching horror lets play youtubers in my TL. Pray for me.
Stuck between wanting to learn Spanish or French. I want to Alps max but French sounds kinda mid and Spanish is only intersting when I am making Las Plagas quotes.I know German so Alps maxing is on the table
>Reading a college-level book again>Book is old spanish essays and culturally relevant material deliberately written with complicated language and words that you don't normally see>They take the most random thing that everyone already understands and add it into the footnotes but NEVER EVER translate a word that appears like 10 times that you've never heard beforeThey always do this. The footnotes never describe what I'm actually confused about, it'll be some random town near madrid or something and instead of describing the new words the author thinks that I (as presumably someone in college) simply NEED to know that this one rural town in spain is in this general area.I'm convinced that college level just means "entirely illiterate but can fake it" because these things that don't confuse me at all they clarify, but the things that I don't get I'm expected to flip to the end of the book and read through definitions for.
>>221600378If you can jailbreak your kindle then I recommend installing Koreader. Then you can add any stardict dictionary or install one directly from Koreader's settings. I just checked and it has an Icelandic - English dictionary that you can download. https://adolfoparra.com/posts/exports-dictionaries/Or you can try creating a kindle compatible dictionary from a Wiktionary stardict dictionary. I've never tried it myself.https://fernandezvictor.medium.com/creating-a-new-dictionary-for-my-kindle-spanish-traditional-chinese-6a21ef899e33
>>221590317Can you do RTK without Anki? I'm trying to use it but I get too obsessed with the minituae of the stroke order
>>221601319What were his tips?
rigorously fucking the next hokkaido woman posted
>>221602007I want to kms, I clicked on the wrong 4chan tab
>>221596779Simple version, every character has an elemental quality (for example 颖 is wood because it has the 禾 radical). In a name these should "line up" but there's lots of different ways to do that
>>221594412What is it with arabic that maks it difficult anyway? Most unrelated languages aren't that extreme. There's Japanese and Chinese, but the writing system is a big part of it. Otherwise it's just Korean and Arabic that really stands out.
>>221603910The grammar and dialectal variation
>>221595352ESLs don't ask for permission. Grow a pair and say it wrong for the hell of it.>>221601319QRD?>>221601493You sound extremely gay, so you should pick French.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VYOKxDk7U0
Why am i learning spanish again? I forgot. Why am i learning another language at all? Why are you learning another language? This is kinda dumb. Like it's so useless and unnecessary. I mean i guess it's fun sometimes. When i'm having fun learning it i can justify it by saying it's fun but when it gets tedious and i'm not having fun i can't really justify it in any way.
>>221607118Because it's fun. When it gets tedious, don't ask "why am I doing this", ask "how do I make it fun again".
>>221607204How do i make it fun again...?
>>221607349Part of it knowing how to "git gud" and part of it is just exploring and finding novelty.
>>221607349Learning a language is fun the same way working out is fun. Once you know what you’re doing, you do simple but effective tasks over and over and slowly building progress, developing a meaningful skill.
thoughts on cloze deletion flashcards? i'm considering using them because it forces recall better, but I'm worried about configuring my example sentences such that it makes it unambiguous about what needs to go into the clozeP.S. captcha is gay
>>221607118spain is pretty close to turkey by plane, go over there a couple of times and make good memories, that should help you see the learning as more valuable. also try to get a tutor that you like
>>221598765Same with Polish literature and I guess Hungarian or Swedish etc. Many people in the West are enthusiastic about Russian literature, yet have read almost nothing or nothing at all. Thanks for the recommendation; I'll add it to my list>>221601621I think that's actually an American problem: the level is too low. What you're describing is common in many European languages; you have specific registers or styles, and depending on the situation, you use a different kind of language. At a certain level of education, there are already certain expectations regarding your language skills and vocabulary>>221607118To larp. To create a persona, draw on the best aspects of other cultures, and apply them to my own.
>>221607118I learn languages because then I can spend all my time watching tv without feeling like I'm wasting my life. I didn't just spend 4 hours binge watching anime. I spent 4 hours learning Japanese.
>>221607349There are literally thousands of anime dubs/subs in Spanish. Find a show you never have seen before.Read a book.Travel to a country and speak to natives in Spanish.
>>221607118I hate Spanish, I hate Spaniards and I hate Spain. I wish Queen Elizabeth would have crushed them when she had the chance so I wouldn't have to learn this goforsaken language.
>>221601978>>221604650Sorry had to wash my fish.It's nothing special, just something I thought useful. Other than his tips on how to optimize your anki cards with mnemonic images and audio etc, he gave the idea of asking an LLM to analyse a movie script and generate a CSV file so you can AnkiGOON it for an entire week before watching the movie. I did it twice now and it's really rewarding
>>221615509Sounds tedious. Just watch the movie with Language Reactor and do lookups while you watch.
>>221615374as a britanon can you tell me why spanish is a go(d)forsaken language?
>>221616934Can't be doing with conjugating verbs, fucking hate romance languages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjOfQfxmTLQ#t=52s
>>221617019completely understandable, at least you also hate portuguese. i'll take solace in knowing that
Where is the Russian flagWhere is the Jordan flag
>>221615374>so I wouldn't have to learn this goforsaken language.I just refuse to learn Spanish. It’s the only useful language in the US, but I’ve never liked how it sounds irl.
>>221590317Did you guys ever use comprehensible listening input made for learners? And for how long? I feel like I can watch cartoons pretty easily even if it's "above my level" because it's very visual. I used some but only for a few hours desu
>>221618309Eh there really isn't value in considering "usefulness" unless you have a very specific use in mind or it's English which you obviously already know. You can often end up having some interesting chance encounter or use for a language that never would have happened other wise. I've even manged to find use for my Japanese skills at work a couple of times unlikely as it may seem here in Sweden.
How do I make it so my candence in Spanish is more native-like rather than angloid-like?
>>221617864Hopefully some place betterHopefully somewhere else
>>221621112No
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>>221615949>>221615509I just watched it and by far the best tip in that video was asking your LLM to create a leipzig gloss for any text you paste in. normally I ask it to explain the grammar but this is much better (more granular and concise)
>>221620010listen to native speakers and pay attention to their prosody.
need to get a tutor for output i thinkdo you guys use tutors?
>>221618897I listened to podcasts made for beginners early on, but only because I couldn't find other content that was easy enough for me to input. If you've already found other stuff to input then there's probably no need.>>221627132When you say tutor do you mean more like someone that will actually teach you stuff or someone just to talk to and correct you from time to time?
>>221618897I use this youtube videos of "TL in real life" when it's a cute lady going through a street market or doing chores just because I like cute attractive women
>>221628050tutor like the italki kind
I want to start learning korean soon, gonna be pretty free next week. What's the best way to set myself up for success? Just ankigoon?
>>221628644I'm not focusing on output yet but when I do I plan to do italki or something similar. I think tutors make sense for output.
>>221629459learn hangeul first, it takes about 15 minutes max
Another day, another getting blindsided by an unknown structure that Duolingo cannot actually explain and just expects you to instinctively guess. Why do I even bother with this site?
FUCK FUCKI WANT TO BE FLUENT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNOT IN THREE YEARS, NOT IN TWO YEARS, NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>221632118>duolingo Just drop the green bird already. It only exists to drag people along with the idea of speaking a language and then after their amazing 1000 day streak (please ignore the 500 freezes) they can barely order a cup of coffee.
>>221632118This is why you're NGMI. If I gave you a sentence that you didn't understand, you'd shit your pants and cry about it, instead of putting in the minimal effort to do a couple lookups, translate it with something, or ask an LLM for an explanation. If you want to succeed, you have to be somewhat of a go-getter and not wait to be spoon-fed every single little thing.
>>221632612Yeah sure, it helped in the beginning putting sounds behind the chinky squiggles, but as it's been getting more complex it's been nothing but unhelpful.>>221632886It's the other way around. The thing that gets me there is either a) incomplete TLs that don't include new words or b)tasks for translating from my native to TL that have to include the aforementioned structure with no way of knowing whether it's applicable. Both act as a retarded haha gotcha that only waste time.Just so you understand, the issue was translating "Can you tell us about this word?" into chink, and the fucking thing wouldn't accept 你能讲这个词吗?, it wanted precisely 你能讲一下这个词吗? including "one time" god knows why.
>>221632118rusbro, just drop duolingo and go it your own. i die inside whenever i see a certain guy on a discord server post his 1300 day streak yet he's still asking questions about stuff you'd learn in the first few months
>>221634077Streak obsession is both sad and incredibly funny at the same time.
>the 30+ boomer who thinks he will learn shitlmao give it up unc, go buy a grill or something
>>221634376That's hurtful
>>221634376https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoPzEx5rjQlol nocap frfr
>>221634376It's so over. I will never be able to master a foreign language and enjoy life
>>221634376what if you bought a grill and learned cooking and food related vocabulary?
>>221617864The Jordan(ian) flag just finished his midterms!I might learn German now. Should I?
>>221636595Cretin.
>>221636595go buy a grill or something
>>221629459it takes longer than learning chinese or japanese don't bother
People born in 1996 are NOT unc status
>>221634376Imagine failing at learning something so simple that little babies can do it.>>221641789Citation needed desu
>221641911
>>221641965>Citation needed desuHart-Gonzalez & Lindemann 1993 (picrel number = gains per time)24 weeks of FSI style learning in various languages produced the weakest relative gain in KoreanAlso it had the lowest final pass-rate in the FSI research, 40% failed to pass the test after 2 years of full time learningNSA research also puts korean at the hardest categorybut importantly korean scores similar or higher to japanese and chinese in total difficulty despite having an easy to learn alphabet. this is because spoken korean is brutally difficult compared to spoken japanese. this is important since many people here want to learn by video/youtube rather than by reading
A question for people learning languages with difficult/different phonetics than your native language but without any tutor / self-studing: how do you cope with the fact that you may have a bad or difficult to understand accent?
>>221636561Impossible. You can’t learn ANYTHING the moment you turn 30. It’s over. You will NEVER even figure out how to put the grill together. You’ll NEVER even figure put how to turn it on. I hope you know all the words for everything in your native language in the user’s manual or you’re FUCKED. Accept defeat and STOP learning things.
>>221642962Get a tutor
>>221643224protip for all the noobies reading right now, have a grill pre-built before you turn 30, and don't let your potential grill and grill related vocabulary get fossilized
>>221590317Do you guys think language learning is a little bit too overcomplicated these days? It seems like people argue about the correct method when it doesn't matter that much in the end.
>>221645541So ignore those people and just learn it instead. You're not obliged to pay a youtube polyglot for their course
>>221642835But both Korean and Japanese are on the same level according to this table if I'm understanding it correctly, with Chinese being slightly easier. Might go look up the paper and read it though.
>>221643949I thought this was a hobby for broke people
Giving myself a year to learn Spanish, anyone feel like recommending a method?
>>221647688Dreaming Spanish
>>221647787OK anything else?
Oh fuck, she knows...
>>221645639Why do anglos have to do this complicated ass shit? Everyone I know who learned English just played GTA or whatever but we make it so difficult
>>221650723>>221645541>>221645639developing more efficient tools and methods is a good thingi don't understand this attitude
>>221651225Making the most straightforward and simple thing unnecessarily complicated is the marque de fabrique of the midwit. The goal should always be the opposite.
>>221651225Yeah bro continue with your $500 comprehensible input post and ankigooning
>>221647688There is a great 5k Spanish deck compiled from Netflix subtitles. Great to learn the few thousand most common words quickly.
>>221652100After finishing a pre-made 5k deck in French I can say it has been relatively useful but you SHOULD build your own in parallel and outgrow it before you reach the end of it. If I were to start over I'd just skip it and spend more time on my own.
>>221645541Grind anki + input. What's complicated about that?
>>221651808>stop counting sets and reps bro stop optimizing your diet bro just pick up heavy shit bro why are you making it complicated broi see no reason to devote 3k hours to something that I couldve done in 1.5k hours. life is short and youth is fleeting, its always good to optimize to avoid wasting forever irretrievable time
>500 words deep in japanese anki deck>now want to learn chinese insteadI fucking hate this indecision I am cursed withI want both of them why cant I just stick with one and then move to the other when I get proficient.
Last bump before bed hopefully Euros pick up the slack and keep it alive
>>221656031Bumping with today's read. Finding niche things like this that you've never even heard of before is what makes this so fun.
Another day of second-guessing whether choosing Thai over Japanese was really the correct choice...
>>221657906It's the correct choice if you like boypussy.
>>221654258I'm taking a break from Chinese when I finish going through the HSK4 vocabulary in my premade Anki deck (i.e go through all of them once, not maturing them). I'll keep doing the daily reps but not worry about it.I'm too curious about Japanese to not actually dabble with it for a while.At the end of it all I might go back to the ball and chain that Korean has always been for me.Maybe I only study up to like N5. Would be funny to do TOPIK 6/HSK 4/JLPT N5(4?) all in the same year. It's not like I'm going to find job in any of the specific countries soon anyways.
>>221650207Try some stuff in pic related.
have been understanding more and more written german :)
>>221662591Schön für dich :)
>>221662694Danke schön! :]
Does anyone know a website very similar to:https://www.dict.cc/That uses a Latin - English instead of German - English?IE: A dictionary where I can input a Latin word for a accurate english translationThank you.
>>221661084You do you but spreading yourself so thin seems crazy. By doing the N5 do you mean just studying to the equivalent level or actually taking the test? It would take an awful lot of time and money on a A1 level test.
Any INDIAN in here?I wanted to learn a niche language from the sub-continent, that means no Hindi nor Tamil.. which do you recommend?I was thinking Telugu, or perhaps Kannada or Assamese, what would you recommend?
>>221664545be aware that even for large indian languages, there are almost no resources (or, at least none in English). learning a minor indian language is going to be turbo hard mode.
>>221662998I usually just use Wiktionary (en.wiktionary.org). The biggest inconvenience is that Wiktionary can contain definitions for any language, so you may have to click "Latin" in the sidebar to get to the right section. Wiktionary is especially nice because the listings usually have macrons, declension tables, and links to more detailed dictionaries like Lewis & Short.>>221662436That looks like a good attempt at providing a diverse sampling of sources, but I think that the podcast section could use a re-vamp. The second one sounds like its TTS or at least AI-generated. (The Youtube video also is an AI, globohomo-style background.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYMxPuJ1_f0If I had to pick one single easy podcast, it would be Español al Vuelo. That's the easiest podcast that I thought was actually engaging to listen to. And where is Español con Juan? The Dreaming Spanish board on Reddit has a sticky thread with a spreadsheet of different audio and video resources, more comprehensive than the CI Wiki or Refold links. I don't think either of those list Español al Vuelo at all, and Refold doesn't list Español con Juan on the podcasts tab for some reason, even though it has his youtube channel on the Youtube Channels tab.https://www.reddit.com/r/dreamingspanish/comments/1t3nbtv/what_are_you_listening_to_today_may_4_to_may_10/
>>221664755I remember some Hindi zoomer saying he can't understand written Hindi from the middle of last century, and had to translate it to English to understand. They don't even take their own language seriously.
>>221647688Watch One Piece dubbed in Spanish. It's gag-slop so you don't have to worry about following plot.
>>221666407That's the wrong Easy Spanish channel, there's a much bigger one, it's part of the Easy Languages brand. It's definitely done by real people.https://www.easyspanish.fm/It seems SpanishPodcast.net went down, but I picked it because it was just one guy talking and the transcripts were free, looks like he's still findable on Spotify. There's a ton of learner podcasts for Spanish, so it's hard to pick one that stands out tbqhon.
I'm looking to start learning Greek. Do you guys have any advice?
>tfw j'ai pas d'amis
>>221667937Gut. Mehr Zeit zum Sprachenlernen.
>>221667881Pick a beginner textbook and get through the texts/audio. Colloquial is usually decent, Assimil is great but only available in French/German (you could also just do your own lookups/translation).https://languagelearning.site/category/greekhttps://annas-archive.gl/search?q=assimil+greekMove on to watching videos and anything that you can find.https://www.youtube.com/@EasyGreekVideos/videoshttps://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/GreekIf you mean Ancient Greek, then ask in >>>/lit/clg
Any good resources to self-learning Danish or Norwegian? I care about proper pronunciation
>>221670661The wiki in the post has a lot of resources
>>221670798Thx. I completely forgot about it. They're not as good as the ones for German or French, but I didn't expect them to be either
>>221662998Lewis and ShortLatin Word Study Tool on PerseusWhitaker's Words
>>221662998I've always used this:https://latin.cactus2000.desite defaults to German but you just have to hit the Union Jack up top for the English version of the site.
>>221669655Thanks. Would it be a bad idea to try to learn foreign two languages at the same time?
>>221662998https://morcus.net/dicts along with cactus and wiktionary are my go-to's
>>221673592Try it out. It's essentially double the effort for half the progress, but it's doable.
>>221673592What's the other one you want to learn?
>>221674255Russian
>>221674325I would recommend reaching an elementary level in one of them first before you start the other. Unless you already have experience with one of them. Doing the beginner slog with two languages at the same time is ass.
>>221663005you are right, I probably shouldn't do JLPT. I'm urious about actually doing HSK because I know they can assure the chance to get some silly scholarships.I'm just way too curious about Japanese, I think the best way to quelch my desire to dabble is actually giving it a spin (and maybe I find out I enjoy it much more than Chinese)
