French people love saying there are actually many regional dialects, accents, and languages spoken in France, but they also think they need to be replaced with Parisian and that its a good thing
retarded american thread
No such thing as regional languages in France.All "Breton" speakers speak with a very noticeable French accent.Similarly to the Irish speaking "Irish"Except that it's even more pathetic for the Irish given that they have their own country, had no Abbé Grégoire and dutifully let their own language die off.Other languages have virtually 0 speaker.Except maybe for "Corsican" (Italian) and "Alsatian" (German).
>>221591758retard means delayed in french but I made this thread a few minutes before noon here so you're wrong
>>221592015Grenouilles shocked, Yankees rock!
>>221591724>French people love saying there are actually many regional dialects, accents, and languages spoken in Franceno they don't>but they also think they need to be replaced with Parisian and that its a good thingI don't know why you idiots think french comes from paris
>>221592015'retard' means delay but we have 'attardé' (atarded) with the same root & meaning.
>>221592240>I don't know why you idiots think french comes from parisi don't, I'm aware french was invented in Dijon, the point is you guys want to genocide all your regional speech and cultures so that everyone sounds and behaves like a Paris
>>221592604>the point is you guys want to genocide all your regional speech and cultures so that everyone sounds and behaves like a ParisI can't tell if you're trolling or you're genuinely fucking stupid. You don't know what you're talking aboutNo one wants to destroy anything, this isn't the 1800s anymore, no one cares about regional languages and if anything people on the contrary are sad to see them basically dead. And once again, i don't know why you keep talking about paris. Nobody wants to be a fucking parisian, no one sees paris as the standard of frenchness, paris is a very specific city with its own culture.
>>221593240>this isn't the 1800s anymorethe destruction of regional languages occured between 1880 and 1950. my grandparents still had their own regional language as mother tongues.
>>221591724you basically described two different groups of French people. surprise, even nationalists can have strong disagreements.the first group is people who actually still live in their own region, but have near to zero direct influence on national culture and how it is perceived internationally. you can only meet these people by talking to them directly, usually as a tourist (which they don't like).the second group is the typical Parisian centralist who unironically believe that Paris=France. these guys may seem cilché but that mindset is 10 times more prevalent in the circles of power than the first one, they just avoid saying it out loud most of the time. this centralism is actually one the few bipartisan ideas: nationalists think France should be completely uniform (but still somehow keep regional gastronomy and such), lefties think regional cultures are racist for immigrants. both control the entirety of the political spectrum and MSM so regional cultures and languages are completely absent from both. it's easier to ask for mass deportation on TV than it is to genuinely defend Breton.
>>221593333I don't think there was any sincere want to remove the "patois" in politics or in general culture by the 20th century. By the turn of the century we were already talking about what was lost almost as if in a post-nutionalism moment of clarity. Regionalism came in force at this time and people were trying to stop a transition that was already long in motion. Yes many people still spoke dialects but it was already on the way out.Yes the francisation of the country bore its fruits in the late 19th century and by the third republic most people spoke french, but its desire, its planning and its implementation started much earlier. Since the revolution, there was a will to unify the country and it's from this moment that french started being seen as the national language. Already much progress was made by the middle of the century. In less than 100 years we went from 20% of the country speaking french, to 20% NOT speaking french. The 20th century simply experienced the rest of that motion.
>>221593682>the typical Parisian centralist who unironically believe that Paris=Franceit's actually mad interacting with parisians, they genuinely live in another worldThey talk about the rest of france as "provinces", which they confuse altogether, and they see some of them almost like foreigners. They are an insufferable and arrogant bunch
>>221593683>I don't think there was any sincere want to remove the "patois" in politics or in general culture by the 20th centurysay that to my grandfathers who were scolded for speaking in school the same language everybody spoke at home. in the early 1950s.>to 20% NOT speaking frenchit's that reluctant margin that was hit the hardest and with the most force. the planned erasure continued for them well into the 20th century.
>>221593682How fundamentally different are the parts of France? Like, are we talking Scotland/England/Wales level or American states level?
>>221594248it's more like Spain but worse since initially peripheral regions had widely different cultures and languages from each other and from the center. 200 years of extreme Republican centralisation (and the Bourbon centralist rule that preceded it) has dampened the differences. unlike Scotland and Ireland who lost their languages but kept their autonomy and culture, French periphery have lost both and have zero official mean to reacquire either. hence the common impression amongst foreigners that they "don't exist" because officially for the Stalinist state they don't. we're basically American Indians in reservations now, down with the colonist states having Indian names just to spite us.
>>221594248Fundamental is what respect? Meaningless question. They're architecturally and clilmate-wise very different, more than in the British Isles.
>>221594248North looks like the UK, south looks like ItalyTragically however, everyone acts like fr*nch people no matter where you go
>>221591724How wrong am I?
>>221591942No basque in the south west?
>>221594248Not comparable. First i think it's weird how you guys have different ethnic groups within the same country. This whole thing with english/scots/welsh is weird to me, it feels thirdie. Secondly we don't have regions with political autonomy, and i think this is important for americans' state identity.We are all french but with our own habitudes. A frenchman from lille will be pretty different from one in marseille. I think people would be hesitant to call it a difference in culture because it sounds a bit extreme, but it is culture. Though in some ways it feels almost superficial, at least compared to the examples you gave.People generally aren't very conscious of their own regions and their histories, they don't think about it. People will rarely refer to themselves as norman, burgundian or provencal, oftentimes it feel weird and larpy, but they will for brittany, alsace and corsica because they have very strong identities.
>>221595913English and Scots aren't considered different ethnicities, the Welsh sort of are but they're all mixed so whatever
>>221591724shut up fat
>>221595913You had different ethnic groups too up until recently, they just got flattened by republicanism
>>221596076>republicanismman i'm tired of this memeEvery effort you've seen to centralise france and turn it into one nation with one language has never been the work of republicans onlyFrench centralisation is not republican and never has been
>>221596076and also, we didn't have ethnic groups "until recently". Everybody in France was french by the 18th century, though our differences were obviously greater then than now
>>221595478Some remnants but less than in Spain desu (I wrote desu.)
