Eastern Europe is rapidly overtaking southern Europe despite suffering under communism for 50 years
>>221648238Its been almost 4 decades and EE is still poorer. Just let it go desu
Polish eagle rising
>>221648238it's not that hard to beat a shitalian
I polepologize we never ment to hurt anyones feelings
>>221648238Despite suffering from capitalism*Reminder that the USSR declined and fell because they opened the markets
>>221648238Poland is capitalist, its model is America.Spain and France are socialist, their model is Venezuela.
>>221648238Because they stole my luggage when I was in Poznan, that boosted their GDP by at least a few percentage points
>>221648309then why is Goyatia's GDP (80% which is renting italian ruins to russian oligarchs) still half the italian one?
>>221648238Poland will be richer than Germany in 7 years too. For a simple reason, they have capitalism and educated people.Germany only has educated people.
>>221648365>they opened the marketswho is they? the jews?
>>221649103Is cars/human a metric on how good a country is? Does it matter when capitalism destroys the environment, local communities, loots, has rampant poverty, creates a meaningless consumerist lifestyleA good country is one that lays down a quality, free, equalitarian education. One that provides nutrition, healthcare, housing, proper culture, a meaningful life, good values Is everyone having a car even a good thing? I don't think you'd like what would happen if every chinaman, african, latin american, india, etc. got to own a car and how it'd raise gas prices and pollute
>>221648238based>>221648292poland is about to overtake spain thoughbeit
>>221648238I wonder why...
Actually, unironically, Spain suffers from the Euro and tourism. If they didn't have either of those, they'd grow a healthy, balanced economy and grow faster, without cucking the working poor.
>>221649312>Is cars/human a metric on how good a country is?It is a decent metric for development all things considered. The poorest countries in the world have very few cars and the most developed ones tend to have the most. Of course there is no 1:1 correlation but the point is the Soviets have utterly failed at yet another industry and could never even catch up to the 1930s USA. Especially for a block that was meant to be all about industry, etc. then they had to retort to manufacturing an outdated car based on a French license for the 10% of the population that could afford it. >Does it matter when capitalism ..Man you are so dumb it actually makes me sad. Imagine thinking the Soviet gave a single fuck about environmentalism lmao. Caring about the environment is something only first world Western countries do. Even the Korean factories pollute here, they really don't give a fuck.>a meaningful lifeA political ideology cannot provide a "meaningful life" What the fuck manMy point was that the USSR never actually had a chance, they did not suddenly "collapse" after the markets opened, they never had a chance in the first place.
>>221648238i remember when they said the same thing for greece but it didnt end well :/
>>221649312Polish life expectancy skyrocketed after communism died and ebil satanic capitalism appeared. And our fucktard post-commies+anti-communists did not maneuver well, mind you.Everyone will own a car and we'll be fine. The degrowth is what is dangerous. Without cheap energy, there's only stagnation and you never progress to the next stage, like thorium reactors, solar panels, fusion meme or w/e. Carbon tax does nothing, it gets shifted onto the consumer, obviously. Or it lets the Chinese blow out your industry's anus.
I polepologize I polpologize
>>221648238bullshit, and I'm too tired to elaborateno outsider will survive a day in this living hellit's like murrica but poor and more dystopian
>>221649745>>221649703>nooo our country is bad PLEASE DO NOT MOVE HERE OR VISIT AIEEEEEEE
>>221649578>A political ideology cannot provide a "meaningful life" What the fuck manKek what? Politics are everything and determine what your life will be like. Do you think the people in the 1984 book (shit book, inb4 it's anti communist!!) lived a meaningful life? No, why didn't they? Because the ideology of their government didn't let them, same with many feudal peasants. An ideology creates certain values that will shape your life and can make it meaningful or not. Some will be able to find meaning in capitalism sure but it's the minority, most will live meaningless 9-5 lives and the only meaning they can bring is by having children>Imagine thinking the Soviet gave a single fuck about environmentalismExcept they did, you can look up any environmentalist poster or policies like the zapovednik system>inb4 aral sea>Soviets have utterly failed Did they fail or do you simply see it as a failure that they didn't decide to prioritize car use, specially since most people worked in their own cities/municipalities and there were great public transport systems
>>221649835thats's right, finally a knower
>>221649835not my intentionyou can move here if you have money to start a business of moderate size, and live a semi decent lifeyou can visit and have a lot of sex with polish sluts (can't even call them whores because they do it for free lmao)it's that for an average polack it's not a great experience
>>221649954>you can visit and have a lot of sex with polish sluts (can't even call them whores because they do it for free lmao)
>>221649869I dont agree at all. There are jobs that need to be done under any kind of ideology. The type of people who work as a software engineer at Amazon now in America would just work at Aliexpress or something if they lived in China. In the USSR it was illegal not to work and you did not exactly have the choice like today.The relationship between a person and his job is not shaped by the political system>Except they did, you can look up any environmentalist posterKek, you realize how funny you sound? Yeah dude just look up any propaganda poster lol. Look at up what happened to the Aral Sea>Did they fail or do you simply see it as a failure that they didn't decide to prioritize car useThey completely failed at it. You cannot really do this "You cant fire me I quit" strategy. They failed at cars just like they failed at every kind of consumer electronics and basically every single thing that was not just a tank or a rocket. Everything in the USSR was just a bootleg version of Western stuff with a quantity shortage and 10-20 years behind
>>221648238All of USSR and Warsaw pact nations had far better quality of life than Portugal in the 60's and 70's.Portugal in the 60's outside of Lisbon was medieval shit. My grandmother born in 1931, grew up on a house without electricity, running water, or floor, it was just dirt. Her village had no public lights.I really don't know why people talk about muh communism disanadvantage, when USSR in the 60's and 70's provided a very good life for the majority of the populace with many comforts of modern life.Portugal was a backwards, 5th world shithole, with 1 million refugees in Paris alone in 1970.Even my hometown only got a proper hospital in the 90's, before that it was a 15th century monastery with nuns as nurses and shit
>>221650079I'm literally a fakecel my poligga
>>221650137karma for unleashing niggers on the world via slavery
>>221650346didnt like turks capture and sell the most african slaves?
>>221650093i think you can perform the exact same job and yet if you do it under different systems your relationship with that job and how fulfilling it is changes. in capitalism you do that job for a billionaire, working on a product you'll never see that might even be a chain in community production, all to make some invisible CEO rich and for an imaginary line to go up, this is prime alienation. In the USSR you have a purpose, you work for the people via the state mandates. Factory work becomes building up the soviet army, teaching becomes raising the new socialist tough, your labor belongs to something greater than yourselfIn capitalism if you don't work you die too so it's not like that changes>environmentalismThere were some mess-ups I won't deny it but the USSR learnt from them and put guard rails in place after. Plus you really can't say this when the leader of the capitalist word denies climate change and the west strips entire regions for profit, the level of scale of environmental destruct from capitalist extraction is just nowhere near the USSR's or China's>carsI just can't be convinced of this western idea that you need a car to be free. I'll take a good metro, bus, trolley, train, air system over that any day
>>221650346Nigerian descent women from London mog white british roses
>>221650434>In the USSR you have a purpose, you work for the people via the state mandatesKek literally no one thought like this, this is peak Western larp. I remember reading the biography of Kovásznai György (excellent animator) who had similar delusions to you early in life and became a miner to connect with the working class only to realize none of the miners ever gave a fuck about any of the "ideology" He hurt his back and quit after a very short time lol.Most people have to work no matter the ideology. All this larp you do really does not matter and working class people never gave a fuck about any of this shit. If you told this larp to some miner in the 1960s in Hungary he would laugh in your face. And from a psychological standpoint working for a totalitarian government is worse than working for some billionaire CEO
spain was poorer than poland for a good portion of history >>221648365vote this man in
>>221650727>spain was poorer than poland for a good portion of historywell they were the paypiggies of the vatican for centuries
>>221650727Cave houses were pretty comfy actually, they didn't live like cavement they made their house into the cave. I'm northern spanish and stayed in an andalucian once, very nice temp regulation specially for the hot summers
>>221650727this map is fake, i'm from the right side of the canaries and people did live in caves here. no idea where the data is from
>>221650930andelucians make nice cadences
>>221650079Go back to the kitchen slut
>>221648890they probably thought you're a nafri or an indian
How to get Polish gf/wife?
>>221651222Oh no someone insulted glorious Poland because they made a joke! It's funny how some Poles are so retardedly nationalisticThey didn't see anyone, they just got inside our hotel when people were sleeping and stole shit in any room they could get in. I'm sorry if a joke offended your nationalist feefees Piotr
>>221651672>we rob browns nowi thought we were cucks? wtf happened
>>221651672We need to overtake more of your luggages :D
>>221649484DELETE THIS
>>221648238It's not rapidly, it's pretty slow, and only Portugal and Greece got overtaken and only the Western part of Eastern Europe are doing it. Getting to Italy's level is still far away.
>>221649484is it because 81% of spanish population is moor?
>>221652494italy is a shithole for the most part
My polish cousins :)
