Why are Italians genetically closer to Syrians than to Spaniards?
Romans imported brownoids from across the empire and they replaced the natives
>>221656928Spaniards are CeltsItalians are PelasgiansHope that helps
whys everyone so obsessed with this
>>221656950>PelasgiansNice way of saying shitskins>>221656971I want Spaniards to understand that Italians aren't like them
>>221656948Truthnuke
>>221656928because they are half middle eastern>>221656948i don't think southern italians were ever particularly white. northern italians were, though.
>>221657061True. Northern Italians are "whites" because they were raped into existence by germanics
>>221657104that's not what i'm referring to
>>221656971Swarthy greeseballs forever enchanting northern beauty via their artistic relevance and greatness.
>>221656983You can call them however you want, doesn't change the fact they conquered your superior aryan ancestors and forced you to forever be linked to us by language
>>221656928This is a really shitty chart.
>>221657510Meanwhile you guys love to LARP as an ancient indo-european civilization when you are clearly sandniggers.Pathetic even for shitalian standards
>>221657510You retard, modern Shitalians aren't related to ancient Romans in fact you got so mongrelized that a random Spaniard or southetn French is genetically more related to the romans than you are lolAnd as for the language it was forced upon you by northern conquerors in the first place
>>221656928Please, don't involve us in this, It's already tiring dealing with Chikaner daily shitposting.
why are the french so obsessed with Italy
>>221656928Hurdur italians have zero connection with romans because oh because yes...
>>221658510Sardinians are so pure, that they are like most europeans of proto european, before the aryan admix:Sardinia: Isolated geographically, Sardinians are genetically distinct and serve as the closest living baseline for Early European Farmers, largely untouched by the massive waves of later Mediterranean and continental migrations.
>>221658580Look this again: GOOD PARTS OF SARDINIAN ADN LIKE 80% RESISTED EVEN ASSIMILATION WITH CLOSE ITALIC POPULATIONS BEING OF MOST PURE STOCK BASQUE TIER
>>221658627Genetic studies show that modern Southern Italians are the closest living populations to ancient Romans, while Central and Northern Italians show a blend of this ancient ancestry alongside varying degrees of later Germanic and Celtic mixing.The genetic and historical relationship between ancient Romans and modern Italians includes several key factors:Genetic Continuity: Despite the fall of the empire and subsequent migrations, the underlying gene pool in Italy has remained largely unchanged for the last 2,000 years. Modern Italians are primarily the direct descendants of the Italic tribes and Roman citizens who inhabited the peninsula during the imperial era.
>>221656928Spaniards are 5% North AfricanItalians are 40% Middle-Eastern
>>221656928lol
>>221658650Italians from 500 BC and 100 AD were different peopleI swear to god every single wog is a complete fucking retard
>>221656928No sane person would ever show interest in anything like this.
>>221658460Sibling rivalry, like Sweden and Denmark
>>221661682Drop the VPN HIVan.
>>221656971Pic related
>>221661670Kill yourself, finnish rat miserable, is literally what any SCIENTIFIC magazine say:Based on DNA analysis, there is evidence of regional genetic substructure and continuity within modern Italy dating back to antiquity.Font:3]Raveane A, Aneli S, Montinaro F, Athanasiadis G, Barlera S, Birolo G, et al. (September 2019). "Population structure of modern-day Italians reveals patterns of ancient and archaic ancestries in Southern Europe". Science Advances. 5 (9) eaaw3492. Bibcode:2019SciA....5.3492R. doi:10.1126/sciadv.aaw3492. PMC 6726452. PMID 31517044.5]Modi A, Lancioni H, Cardinali I, Capodiferro MR, Rambaldi Migliore N, Hussein A, et al. (July 2020). "The mitogenome portrait of Umbria in Central Italy as depicted by contemporary inhabitants and pre-Roman remains". Scientific Reports. 10 (1) 10700. Bibcode:2020NatSR..1010700M. doi:10.1038/s41598-020-67445-0. PMC 7329865. PMID 32612271.
>>221661719M-am bășit
>>221659449>Middle-EasternNot a thing and Italians are not 40% non European nice lie and Spain isn’t 4% North African only east is
Can we ban these 3rd world immigrants larping as Europeans and pretending and lying about Europeans not being white it’s actually boring and so cringe and obsessive being conquered doesn’t make you non european or non white by that logic everyone on earth is European/white as they were all conquered and colonised way longer
>>221661756Early Republic Romans were similar to Spanish people. The Middle Eastern thing came later as the Republic fell and Empire kept decaying.
>>221657510'sent that arrogant celtic monkey flyin
>>221661756The genetic history of Italy includes information around the formation, ethnogenesis, and other DNA-specific information about the inhabitants of Italy. Modern Italians MAINLY descend from the ancient peoples of Italy, including Indo-European speakers (Romans and other Latins, Falisci, Picentes, Umbrians, Oscans, Sicels, Sicani, Elymians, and Adriatic Veneti, as well as Magno-Greeks, Cisalpine Gauls and Iapygians) and pre-Indo-European speakers (Etruscans, Ligures, Rhaetians, Euganei, Nuragic peoples). Based on DNA analysis, there is evidence of regional genetic substructure and continuity within modern Italy dating back to antiquity.[2][3][4][5]
>>221661814Middle Easterns citizens of Roman Empire stayed in Middle East, Spanish roman nobles stayed in Hispânia, had sons only in Spain and Spain was where they died... How is hard to understand it?
>>221661853South Italics are some of most inbreed and pure peoples of World, tese fuckers can't drink milk, their DNA predate back to 8 000 Years ago, average calabrio not have barelly admix even with other italic peoples with aryan steppe DNA
>>221661951Quick rundown>Spain and Italy are inhabited by people similar to Sardinians in 3000 BC>both have parallel histories in being raped by men from Central Europe leading to near-identical populations by 500 BC>modern Italians are not the same as Spanish being significantly shifted to the Middle Eastand it wasn't just because of Greeks, who were themselves part Middle Eastern.Somehow not a single Italian can come to terms with this.
>>221662040What is the problem to you, admit that average Guido is just 80% similiar to Seneca and Julius Cezar?
>>221662151Italians still being fuck smart pair on pai with old romans, they did discoveries in last 300 years, in same levels of anglos or germans...Look, formule of physics of italian Evangelista Torricelli
>>22166215180% is stretching itTarget: Italian_LazioDistance: 1.2948% / 0.0129484361.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG38.6 Lebanese_Druze0.4 Greece_Delphi_IA
>>221662214Vicenzo Viviani, italian mathemacian and disciple of Galileu
spanish peepo are whiteitaly peepo brownsimple as that
>>221656928Even with all the browns (and even blacks from northeast-africa) that the Roman empire imported for hundreds of years, Italy is still whiter than France in fact it's hard to find a country in Europe with a fewer % of whites than France unless you count Turkey as European.
>>221658460The guy who spams those threads isn't even French, he's a Flemish troll
>>221658264Total bullshit lol. Spaniards are only closer to Iron Age samples (from before the Republic) and that's just a coincidence because they have similar amount of steppe/anf/whg, but they don't have the r1b italic haplo subclade, so it's not direct descendance like Italians have, again it's just a coincidence If a Spaniard and a German have a baby the resulting baby will likely cluster closest with French people if you just look at his steppe/anf/whg, but it doesn't mean the baby directly descends from French people, those online genetic tools have completely retardified terminally online losersNeedless to say, the ancient Romans in whatever era you want to choose cluster closest with Italians (Northern Italians in the Iron Age, Central/Southern Italians in the Republic and Southern Italians in the Imperial Era)
>>221662040Another retard who doesn't understand genetics, the only ones who have the r1b subclade the Romans had are modern Italians, not Spaniards, they have their own subclade. They have nothing to do with the ancient Romans just because BY CHANCE they plot close to them in the Iron Age
>>221662516Jeet-tier reading comprehension
>>221661814There's no 'Middle Eastern Thing', there's a ''East-Med shift' (read Greek) and it can be found in Roman Samples from 400 BC, it was just southern Italians (Greeks) moving to Roman cities, this is before Rome enslaved half the world, so they weren't ''slaves from the Middle East'' like you retards keep making up
>>221662471I wasn't saying that Spaniards ARE Romans you monkey, I was saying that you were so mongrelized that even other west med population fall closer to you>>221662328My fame precedes me but I actually have some French ancestry too and being mainly flemish in the north of france is nothing unusual>>221662320That's a completely different issue>>221659449Accurate.>>221658398Chikaner is just a seething latinx, I bet his incoherent deranged ramblings put Spain under a better light than anything else.m given that no one sane want to be associated with him or his ideas.
>>221662254Why are you sexually obsessed with the Lebanese? In a proper model only Southern Italians have like 5% of actual Lebanese DNA.
>>221662471it's actually fascinating that Iberians are an other race compared to real Greco-Italic people, you are so unique gentically while Iberians are more mainstream European
>>221662653Iberians are both more unique in the sense that they largely derive their ancestry from a Basque like source which is unique in europe and more mainstream because they aren't anywhere close to be as mongrelized as east meds are.
>>221662581the fascinating thing is that the East med shift was not even Levantine or Mesopotamianit was Greco-Anatolian if anything, only modern populations that inherited it are Greeks and Italians (Turks also partly, but their chink admixture diluted it)not even Armenians or Kurds have it
>>221662691the Basque like argument is true but not all Iberians have it thoughNorth-Western admixture is way higher in Iberia compared to any other place of Southern Europe
>>221662581>>221662719Well it's the usuale game of using buzzwords like "Middleastern" to conflate Greco-Anatolians with modern J1 Afro-Arap-Takarkori bulbheads.>The Levantine ancestral component is the most recurrent in Levantines (42–68%); the Peninsular Arabian and East African ancestral components represent around 25% of Syrian genetic make-up.[134][135] Syrians, among other Levantine groups, were found to derive 81–87% of their ancestry from Bronze age Levantines, relating to Canaanites as well as Kura–Araxes culture impact from before 2400 BCE; 8–12% from an East African source and 5–10% from Bronze age Europeans.[136]>The paternal Y-DNA haplogroup J1, which reaches its highest frequencies in Yemen 72.6% and Qatar 58.3%, accounted for 33.6% of Syrians.[138]>A study of mitochondrial DNA variation found that the Syrians have ∼10%–15% of lineages of sub-Saharan African origin, consistent with female migration from eastern Africa into Near Eastern communities within the last few thousand years. It is likely this ancestry traces back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade.[146]
>>221662756>North-Western admixture is way higher in Iberia compared to any other place of Southern EuropeNot really no, northern Italy has much more of it though they have much more non european admixture too, and generally Iberians are 70 to 100% Basque like
>>221662779For starter, Anatolians were monkeysThen why are modern south Italians more levant shifted than Ancient Greeks were? Modern Greeks would be also much more levant shifted if it wasn't for their massive slavic admixture, up to 1/3 in northern greece.
>>221662849this shit from Davidski makes no sensethe 1/3rd Levantine 1/3rd Germanic/Slavic Central European admixture is debunked He thought they were equaling each other out and produced something similar to mycenaeans genetically
>>221657061>i don't think southern italians were ever particularly white. they were in the mainland, tho IA sicilians were similar to sardinians with very low steppe, still not east med shifted tho>>221662471you're posting outliers, the average IA/republican romans and central italian was west med, similar to a catalan
>>221661814What's funny about this shit to me is that the Romans we know the most are the Imperial Romans, by far, they are the ones who built all the architectural wonders people associate with Rome (Pantheon, Colisseum, Forum, Hadrian Wall, etc), most of Roman literary classics also come from the Imperial Era, and during the Imperial Era the Romans were basically untouchable militarily for like two centuries while the Republican Romans kept getting massacred all over the place (against Pirrhus, against the Cimbri and Teutones and above all against Hannibal), there's also very little from the Republic Era either architecturally or as a written recordSo if anything the narrative should be the exact opposite of what you retarded wignats make up to be, it's the most Greekified Imperial Romans who were the superior Romans, but of course you cannot do that because you have Terrone Derangement Syndrome and the Imperial Romans cluster closest with them
>>221663048If one place is in fucking Western Europe, how hard is to some retarded understand that the close cousins to you, is in fucking Europe?
>>221663048This is way before the Greeks settled southern Italy and yeeted them, pointless
>>221663174Are finns related somehow to vikings of Denmark? Not, they are related with polynesians of Manilla 10 000 km far away, schizos
>>221663193mainland greeks that built some cities in southern italy are likely largely irrelevant to italian genetics, east med drift in italians is from internal migrations during the roman era, all studies argue this, not a single released study claims otherwise>>221663174genuinely don't get what you're saying, sorry
>>221663048There are only 2 Republican Samples (r435 and r437), if you want to extrapolate some grand narrative from just 2 samples go ahead, I wouldn't. But one cluster closest with northern Italians, the other with southern Italians. So if you make an average of the two you get a central Italian like that Kingdom of Rome sample I posted above
>>221663140The Hadrian Wall is not an architecturam wonder my nigga, it's only relevant because it's in GB
I can tell by the syntax and semantics that some of these Italian flags are among my usual customers, how cute. It seems that no matter where we go, we always find each other.
>>221656928we can definitely say that we are whiter than you. froggie
>>221662849Lmao the Anatolians were bunch of monkeys indeedMy ancestors made them Semi-human by colonizing the Anatolia region and ending up mixing with them and we gave them those Chad european features.Anyway you are 100% correct and based but the sad thing about this thread is the shitskin wogs who apparently think their ancient romans who constructeda and spoke an indo-european language were actually a bunch of sand monkeys.
>>221663444how much do they pay to cum all over your face?
>>221663370>There are only 2 Republican Samples (r435 and r437)incorrect, we have the roman samples from tarquinia too>four of the analyzed skulls are described in the catalogue as tomba etrusca (Etruscan tomb) (TAQ004, TAQ006, TAQ007, TAQ010) and seven are referred to as tomba romana (Roman tomb) or deposito romano (Roman deposit) (TAQ012, TAQ015, TAQ016, TAQ017, TAQ018, TAQ019, TAQ023), without an explanation of how this classification had been performed. Most likely classification was performed by grave goods and/or tomb building style. According to radiocarbon dating, all five dated individuals listed as tomba romana or deposito romano have an age that is in line with the Roman Republic period. tarquinia was an important roman cities after they took it from the etruscans and the birthplace of 1 king too, and we know what the local profile anyway was because of other samples too> So if you make an average of the two you get a central Italian like that Kingdom of Rome sample I posted aboveone is an outlier with east med drift not found in earlier iron age or bronze age samples or contemporary neighbors, the other isn't, if you want to pretend that east med ancestry spawned into existence in central italy one day and wasn't carried over from the east go ahead
>>221663489ATP any west eurasian country is whiter than France
>>221663527Drop the VPN, retard
No more brother wars.
>>221663527truthnuke
>>221663660Shitalians started it btw. Shitalians right winger generally like to insult and demean Spain which compell me to make these answers
>>221663600You will never be Mediterranean.Im not a VPNfag it even if i was that wouldn't change the fact that you are a swarthoid terrorist
hon hon hon la omelette au fromage
I'm a STEMfag who also likes history but I absolutely detest haploshit and internet race genetics stuff. I actually care more about the language and culture part when it come to history.How the fuck do people even get to memorize this genetics schizobabble is beyond me, and I have do equations and formulas for a living.
>>221663537>Mehmet Slavoglu.
>>221663900it's actually very useful to history, as it shows what really happened in a way that language shifts can't
ah its the discord turkranny brigade. i see
>>221663980>it's actually very useful to history,I haven't seen a good use for anything post-antiquity, then again I haven't studied this in depth.
>>221662618>That's a completely different issueNo, that's basically the same thing, happening at different times.Italy is whiter than France.
>>221663980>it's actually very useful to future history, as it will show what unrestricted immigration will do to western europe
arr rook da same
>>221663973He's not Greek, he's the same troll under a VPN>>221663527No Greek would ever call Anatolians ''bunch of monkeys'', some of the best ancient Greeks philosophers, historians and poets came from Anatolia. Keep wasting your life trolling behind VPNs pretending to be Spaniard and now Greek too, what a worm-like existence
>>221664064pretty much, most of the MENA ancestry in southern europe is from the late republic/imperial roman internal migrations rather than islamic conquests
>>221663973Those population categories are confusing"Roman-era locals from Croatia and Serbia" but Bulgaria doesn't also have "Roman-era locals" but Thracians and Anatolians?Macedonia and Serbia had no Thracians at all?Serbia and Croatia had no Illyrians, or we just say they were "Roman-era locals"?Like it uses multiple overlapping categories
>>221664111I meant the pre-Greek Afroasiatic Anatolians, as monkeys,not the Greek ones you moronWe must preserve the indo-europeans no matter the costs
>>221664064>unrestricted immigration caused the Roman Empire you far-rightoid losers cannot stop obsessing over 24/7what a great own
>>221664360Yeah sure, no Greek would ever write this bullshit, drop the VPN pathetic troll
>>221664441why do you think anyone in greece and italy has to think like you in order to exist, terrone, you're annoying and likely browner than both of us
Because Spaniards are African.
>>221656948Cope
>>221664374it didn't, but it caused its fall, those migrants didn't care about the legacy created by the latins and the other italic peoples
>>221664610Fake map + nice vpn
>>221664610>"tunsia_kerkouane_punic proxy"not a good proxy as the kerkouane samples were barely berber/north african genetically, iberians actually have half of that as berber ancestry
>>221664643t. Napoleon's little bitch
literal jewish levant admixture among italians (greeks too also). spaniards have less levant blood
>>221664770Using a punic proxy, whom we know had a ton of southern european admixture, for berbers is just plainly ridiculous.
>>221664861Your nigger ass is ridiculous.
>>221665086Great argument wopbro
Ich bin ein Italien.
>>221664441Dont you see you fucking retard how many different flags question your sandnigger existence?From Greeks,to Finnish,French to even your own Country'sYou must accept that the whole world hates youand you are officially the Indians of europe .You guys even look identical from each other anyways
>>221656928Almost all Europeans have ancestry from Anatolian farmers, they mixed with European Hunter Gatherers.
>>221665405I guess your ''ancestors'' (not that you are Greek, you are the same troll under a VPN) were ''sandnigger'' too, in fact they cluster closer with us than with Greeks even (not that you are a Greek again, same loser under a vpn, you don't even minimally switch up your posting style)
>>221664360>I meant the pre-Greek Afroasiatic AnatoliansThey are literally your ancestors, see >>221665481. The ancient Greeks probably had considerable Hittie admixture. When the entirety of Anatolia became Greekified under the Macedonian empire, Hittie locals were assimilated. The most frequent Greek y-DNA haplogroup is E, which didn't come from the Indo-Europeans, Greece is an Indo-European language because pre-Mycenaeic Greeks assimilated with Indo-Europeans.
>>221665580*Hittite
>>221665580He's not Greek, he's the same troll under a vpn
>>221665481anatolian farmers are irrelevant to the argument>>221665580>The ancient Greeks probably had considerable Hittie admixture.no studies claim that
What is it telling you?
>>221665722>no studies claim thatIt's common sense from their close proximity, there were multiple Greek city states in Anatolia, surrounded by Hittites. By the time of the Macedonian empire all the Hittites were assimilated into Greek societies.
>>221656928>Why are Italians genetically closer to Syrians than to Spaniards?Lol you french faggot should know this since for some reason you open these threads every single day just to feed the racists' itch. I haven't read the whole thread but it's obviously down to the massive migration of people of Anatolian and Levantine stock back in the late Republic and early Roman Empire. And no, not all "Italians" are closer to Lebanon (which you're showing in the pic even though your title says Syrians) than to Spain. It's mostly southern Italians, except for Abruzzesi, Molisani, central/north Apulians and certain Sicilians (e.g. from Trapani) who have both more Euro and North African admixture.Distance to: Italian_Abruzzo_(Abruzzese)_(n=19)>0.06890448 Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_(Castilian)_(n=7)0.08062812 Druze_Lebanon_(n=11)Distance to: Italian_Molise_(Molisan)_(n=2)>0.06951714 Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_(Castilian)_(n=7)0.08270745 Druze_Lebanon_(n=11)Distance to: Italian_Apulia_(Apulian)_(n=228)>0.07370320 Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_(Castilian)_(n=7)0.07692963 Druze_Lebanon_(n=11)Distance to: Sicilian_Trapani_(n=7)>0.06897120 Spanish_Castile_and_Leon_(Castilian)_(n=7)0.07341520 Lebanese_Arab_Muslim_(n=12)
>>221665542Nice xitter map idiotNow show me genetic distance graph form the classical era of greeks.All that matters that just because we have an small amount of turkroach blood it doesnt mean we are culturally sandniggers ,unlike (You) But keep on the autistic screeching that a mediterranean nationality cant see shitalians what they truly are
>>221665722>muh studiesGo look up those studies and there are like 11 roman samples spanning a thousand years, somehow a grand narrative about the makeup of populations is done based on a handful of samples. Completely insane methodologically. This shit is all worthless pretty much
>>221664610This map is just bullshit, its not only un-sourced, but it's probably incorrectly modelling EEF ancestry shared between Europeans and North Africans as "berber". Honestly Iberian have shockingly little admixture from North Africa. During the reconquista they made sure to kick all the moors and half moors they could find, out of iberia. Spanish people are literally 2x closer to finns genetically than Moroccans.
>>221666043>During the reconquista they made sure to kick all the moors and half moors they could find, out of iberiaMoors who converted to Christianity were allowed to stay
>>221666041>Go look up those studies and there are like 11 roman samples spanning a thousand years, somehow a grand narrative about the makeup of populations is done based on a handful of samples. Completely insane methodologically. This shit is all worthless pretty muchit's not, you don't need a huge amount of samples to determine population movement patterns, this is the power of autosomal dna analysis over ydna analysisbesides we also have the etruscan study, the daunian study, the picene study, all showing the same pattern, it was not greeks from magna grecia, this is self evidently stupid, the east med ancestry, while sporadically may have appeared earlier, was largely from internal roman migrations starting from the late republic and cementing in the imperial period
>>221664633I recognise these samples. First sample on the left is a man with partially Armenian/Anatolian ancestry. The one on the right is similar, someone who's half Anoltian from early republican era. Italians from central and northern Italy from the republican era and earlier cluster with modern day central/northern Italians and spaniards.
>>221666109But they were still discriminated against, there's evidence for sex biased selection of European y haplgroups post the reconquista in southern Spain, that's why there's way more North African mitochondrial haplgorups in Iberia than Y haplos. Iberian kingdoms also chose to systematically settle people from the northern, christian lands into reconquered territories.
>>221666379>they were still discriminated againstMost of them fabricated their ancestries to avoid that. >Iberian kingdoms also chose to systematically settle people from the northern, christian lands into reconquered territories.That's not indivative of discrimination, the liberated lands were less populated
>>221657277that's a north italian
>>221666109>>221666479They were expelled between 1609 and 1614. And during those years there were blood purity laws that differentiated between Old Christians and converts. And neither Jews nor Muslims assimilated during all that time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos
>>221666043the reconquista was very effective, it wiped out a lot of the north african ancestry in iberia, that funnily enough arrived mostly in roman times than during al andalusthe myth about sephardic jews being expelled to north africa is also true, moroccan , algerian and tunisian jews resemble european jews with a bit of north african ancestry
>>221656971it's the jews sowing discord to prevent european unity.
>>221667286>during those years there were blood purity laws that differentiated between Old Christians and convertsThose laws were largely ineffective since ancestries could easily be fabricated, it wasn't as if dna tests existed during those timrs .>And neither Jews nor Muslims assimilated during all that time.They did if they became Christians first
>>221670601You are making up things and denying the reality i posted you the historic facts and the another anon the genetic distances. You are probably some muslim in uk with identity crisis btw.
>>221656948Romans came from Anatolia dumbo.
>>221656928Southern Italians are GreekGreeks are Turkish
>>221670875>Although initial estimates of the number expelled such as those of Henri Lapeyre range between 275,000 and 300,000[3] Moriscos (or 4% of the total Spanish population), the extent and actual success of the expulsion order in purging Spain of its Moriscos has been increasingly challenged by modern historians, starting with the seminal studies carried out by François Martinez (1999) and Trevor Dadson (2007). Dadson estimates that, out of a Morisco population of 500,000, a figure accepted by many, around 40% avoided expulsion altogether and tens of thousands of those expelled managed to return>In the Crown of Castile, which included the Guadalquivir valley in present Andalusia, the situation was considerably different. The proportion of Moriscos is considered to be lower. More significantly, the majority of them were former Mudejar (Muslims) Christians who were highly integrated in mainstream society, had abandoned many of their distinguishing cultural traits. Crucially, unlike in Valencia, they did not suffer from hostility from their old-Christian neighbours, many of whom actively protected them from attempts by the Crown to expel them, to the point that in Plasencia the Crown officials sent to deport the Moriscos were immediately jailed upon arrival. In Avila, the local Moriscos were integrated in the clergy and government positions to avoid expulsion.>Some clerics such as Fray Luis de Aliaga, a royal councilor, supported giving time to the Moriscos to assimilate and become full Christians.[16] This option was lightly supported by the Catholic Church in Rome, too. The most dedicated defenders of the Moriscos were the Valencian and Aragonese nobility, as their self-interest was involved. These nobles benefited the most from the poor and cheap workforce that the Moriscos provided.Convinced now?>You are probably some muslim in uk Idk what makes you think that, but Muhammad is a false prophet and dirty nonce.
>>221671073Have you even read this retard?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Christianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_MoriscosAlso:>Though many of Spain's Muslims were themselves descendants of native Iberians who converted to Islam under Muslim rule.[3]They were expelled too btw.Also this: >>221666043
>>221656928Your ancestors were raped by moors diego
>>221668667it's a moorberian who fled spain for francehe's been shitting up /his/ for years seething about his italian masters
Reminder that spain's greatest accomplishment in history is being paypiggie cucks of their vatican/italian masters
>>221656928>random vahaduo chartsHonestly next to useless.
>>221671408I read them, the paragraphs I quoted were from one of the articles. It was very easy for converts to pay a government official and fabricate their ancestry. What the Australian anon claimed was wrong, most converts weren't kicked out. >Of those permanently expelled, the majority eventually settled in the Barbary Coast (Maghreb), with around 30,000 to 75,000 people ultimately returning to Spain.[4][8] Those who avoided expulsion or who managed to return to Spain merged into the dominant culture.[9]Spain was a feudal society then, the Spanish nobility had an incentive to let converted peasantry stay because that increased the labour force and power base of the fiefs they ruled.
>>221665969>the haploschizo who seethes when reminded Berbers preislam were Southern Euros, same for our Coptic brothers.
>The Romans who suffered catastrophic losses against Epirotes, Gauls, Germanics and Carthaginians were closer to northern Italians>The Romans who dominated the entire world for 2 centuries conquering Britannia, The Balkans, Dacia, Persia, etc without losing a single battle were closer to southern ItaliansChecks out
>>221661755Great thing, they shot up a literal jihadi mosque then got taken out.Several birds and I didn't even throw a stone
>>221671681>erm north africans were meds prior to islam but now they're not o algokek
reminder that the pope commands you to get along with your north african islamic brothers
>>221666043>French 1During the Reconquista Spain was receiving a constant influx of French "colonists" and a shitton of french crusaders that stayed here, every major town literally had a French quarter, as an example in cities like Barcelona you still have today a neighbourhood called "Zona Franca". We are obviously not French but we mixed with them a lot through centuries, so the genetic affinity makes sense.
>>221671663>What australian anon claimed was wrong because it contradicts my agendaModern historians that makes politics so that we accept mass immigration arent reliables. The two expulsions are historical facts the old christian law was in force and a jew/nafri that changes his name is still phisically recognisable and they never assimilated like cryptojews who practiced their religion in secret and the same with moriscos who helped Berber pirates.Also this another time:>Though many of Spain's Muslims were themselves descendants of native Iberians who converted to Islam under Muslim rule.[3]
>>221671809Btw, the French assimilated without troubles and nowadays nobody knows if they have French ancestry from those French quarters and whatnot, except if you have some hispanized French surnames that still survive, like Bernabeu or Garrós.
>>221666043You're not spanish sanchez
>>221671735Our hatred is not a color issue, it's a religious issue.
>>221671809truedat>grandma's grandparents were fr*nch
>>221672126t. LATAM diaspora>senooooooor sure i am brown but i am a hecking tradcath warrior o algo
>>221671809The name Zona Franca probably doesn't come from the French quarters but much later from the idea of creating a free trade zone there, the french quarters were usually called "Burgos de Francos" and they were mostly on northern Spain and the migrants were actually invited and encouraged to come to boost the christian population and economy. They were mostly occitan and gascons. In Catalonia you still have a shitton of surnames of French origin, for no particular reason it's also the region most invaded today by North African migrants.
>>221656928See https://youtu.be/Mpiw4dy_kus?si=eHe5uP8aWEh4w4b5https://youtu.be/A5VLux1DSvs?si=N1E9m4ChHwXFiRcL
>>221666010>Now show me genetic distance graph form the classical era of greeks.
>>221672902that himera sample is an outlier with middle eastern ancestry
nigger rape
