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>What language(s) are you learning?
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

**Comprehensible Input Wiki**
https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold
>Non-English piracy sites
https://fmhy.net/non-english

Previous Thread: >>221827039
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>>221992837
No.
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How do I learn japanese in 2 weeks?
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>>221994096
Use the 2 weeks to invent a time machine, then go back at least 5 years. 10, if you're lazy.
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>>221994016
Actually it would be, es ist mir scheiss egal
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>>221992837
probably not, but it gives you gains in identity building. i.e you're the kind of person to squeeze every second possible to 'immerse' in your TL
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>>221994016
I think in mainland Spain the most common (and vulgar one) would be 'me la suda'/'me suda la polla'. Sudar is the verb 'to sweat'. The full expression literally means 'it makes my cock sweat'
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>>221994016
>vulgar
lol
If you want vulgar then go with "ei kiinnosta vittuakaan" = I don't give a fuck
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>>221994016
can any greeks confirm that they shit themselves?
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>>221994016
The least interesting language on the list has the most boring phrase. Go figure.
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>>221994016
The actual vulgar Russian one is мнe пoхyй (it’s dick to me). People often replace хyй with хep, хpeн and фигa, in descending order of vulgarity.
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>>221994096
memorize a bunch of canned phrases and repeat them over and over until they sound semi passable then film yourself having conversations with bewildered japanese natives struggling to understand you and upload the video to youtube with the title japanese natives SHOCKED by Chilean's PERFECT japanese
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What do portuguese speaking people say in this case?
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>>221994378
give me a fuck
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>>221994016
What's going on here greekbros?
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>>221994797
>spreads semi-hairy asshole
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>>221994016
nobody fucking says that, the real one is "jebie mnie to" (it fucks me)
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>>221995767
the Russian equivalent is мeня н, basically the same meaning
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*мeня нe eбeт
It’s actually the opposite lol, “I am not fucked”.
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>>221994016
should really be мнe пoхyй (~it's under my dick) for russian, пo хpeнy is a softened version
also
>esperanto
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>>221994016
I love that pic, very fun to learn about
Have more like it?
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>>221996609
Yeah, be sure to frequent the thread so you don't miss more infographics like this!
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>>221996931
Honestly couldn't give one horseradish about that.
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>>221996931
>Central Europe isn't rea-
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>>221996931
ai sloppa map, look at the Bosnian border, the illegible text on Slovenia (and elsewhere), how the A-s of malaka get progressively worse on Cyprus
Anyway, it should be po velnių, and it is factually not the most popular one. That title goes to blet/bliat/blt (our ways of spelling blyat), followed by nachui/nachuj/naxuj/naxui/nx (another russian derived one, so no consensus on how to spell it) and blemba. Even if we only count native swear words, first place would go to šūdas (shit).
https://www.delfi.lt/gyvenimas/psichologija/kalbininkai-isskyre-12-lietuviu-dazniausiai-vartojamu-keiksmazodziu-nuo-riebiausiu-iki-svelniausiu-79761257
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>>221996931
Thank you
>Spanje
Uhm... That's what we call Spain .. other countries use Spain as swear word?
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>>221995767
I say that
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>>221995767
Not my circus, not my monkeys
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>>221996931
slop map
kurwa is exclusively Polish spelling, in Czech, Slovak and Hungarian it's kurva
roughly same pronunciation though
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>>221998217
say that in Mexican
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>>221994096
watch anime
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>>221998251
No es mi circo, ni son mis changos

Most likely
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i so badly wish i could learn spanish but i'm just too mentally ill
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>>221998251
Me vale un cacahuate
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>>221998338
Es facil.
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>>221994734
>What do portuguese speaking people say in this case?
Foda-se
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>>221998390
not if you're a retard
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>>221998376
Me vale verga, más bien

>>221998338
If you speak English you are halfway there. Romance languages are the easiest to learn for English speakers.
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>>221998338
What mental illness do you have that stops you from reading and watching soap operas?
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>>221994016
The circus one isn't vulgar at all, it's actually rather polite
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>>221998457
ocd, ocpd, adhd and depression are the biggest obstacles for me but i have other bullshit too.
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>>221998315
>No es mi circo, ni son mis changos
if you said that to another Mexican irl, would it be understandable or does it sound like complete nonsense?
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>>221998516
Would probably laugh it out, because the way it's worded is funny. It sounds like something you'd say as a joke. If you wanted to sound insulting and make it clear you don't give a shit, you'd instead say:

>Me vale verga

Which roughly translates to 'It's worth a cock to me'

That's something you'd say when you are really pissed off in casual contexts, most likely to be used by the lower class.
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>>221998516
It sounds like "not my business", they'd probably understand, though it'd sound weird, yeah.
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>>221998487
Those are labels. What exactly stops you from reading a book or watching a tv show?
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>>221994016
It it's actually vulgar then it would be мнe пoeбaть
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>>221998251
Me chupa un huevo
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>>221998702
i'm sad and lazy
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>>221994096
Pimsleur for 4 hours a day repeating every lesson 4 times. Then go order at a restaurant and ask for directions or something.
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>>221994096
go to japan
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>>221998338
Podemos ayudarte a practicar
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>>221999564
I was going to write a big essay trying to motivate you, but I can't be arsed. It never works, there's no combination of words that will make your type do anything, it's a giant waste of time. People that actually want to learn a language don't need to be hyped up for it, you just want to whine.

https://drchristoschristophy.substack.com/p/why-dont-you-yes-but-the-game-of
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>>222000246
the only thing that makes me wanna keep trying learn is being able to actually read and understand some random small sentences like this every once in a while. shows that i've made at least a tiny little bit of progress so far.
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>>222000412
Say 'Nalgas' and you will be fluent no matter the context. For instance:

>¿Cual consideras que es el significado del universo?
What do you believe is the meaning of the universe?

Nalgas

>¿Que desayunaste hoy?
What did you have for breakfast today?

Nalgas

>¿Rubia con tetas grandes o morena con nalgas grandes?
Blonde with big tits or dark skinned girl with a huge ass?

Nalgas

There, now you are fluent in Spanish.
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>>221998338
Dreaming Spanish + books (textbooks and literature) + movies
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>>221994016
>not my circus, not my monkeys
I like that one, I'm stealing it
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>Gymnasium in Germany teaches kids English, French, Latin and Ancient Greek all at the same time
Germanons, does this actually work or do students just scrape by and then immediately forget everything they learned?
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>>221998338
You'll do it brah! I'm watching dreaming spanish, listening to some lectures on soundcloud and flipping through a frequency dictionary (it kind of sucks though - I want to find a better one). I'll move onto watching DBZ with the Latin american dub later. Also that Mexican movie with the jewish vampire is funny
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>>222000899
> I'll move onto watching DBZ with the Latin american dub later

Based. Gerardo Reyero as Frieza makes the character much creepier and ominous than in Japanese, actually.
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>>221994734
>Tô nem aí (i'm not even there)
>Tô pouco me fudendo (i'm not even getting fucked)
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>>222000763
Ok, this is obviously overstated.

Only around 50% of students go to Gymnasium and study 2 foreign languages, the other 50% virtually only ever study English. 2 foreign languages is the maximum if you are doing the equivalent of AP classes in science/technology or some other non-language specialization that happens to be offered at your high school.

So among those 50% of Gymnasium students maybe like another 50% does some kind of languages/classics AP that allows them to choose 2+ languages, so 25% of the total. While Latin is extremely common, just as common as French, ancient Greek is not offered a lot. I don't have any official statics but just going with my gut feeling I would say it is less common than Spanish. The reason is that teachers these days tend to have a more of a modern romance studies background than a classics one.

So it's like

English Only: ~50%
English/Latin + English/French: ~50%
English/[3 or more languages, modern more common]: ~25%

And this are only the rough statics of people taking the courses.

The truth is that basically only the straight A students end up being proficient in languages other than English because English media has somewhat of a reinforcing effect.

However this still creates a decent percentage of Germans that are fluent in French with French being a very important commercial language in Europe and having a high demand in government roles, especially in defense, security, diplomacy and energy. French proficiency is mandatory for all future diplomats next to English. As a German that is fluent in French I can tell you that for every French person that speaks German there are 50 Germans that speak French.
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Has the Polish Jordie decided on what language he'll learn?
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>>222001669
Fascinating, genuinely. Thanks for the answer.
I always admired the German tiered system for education, I feel like we could really use that division even if it looks "cruel" for less academic teenagers.
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>>222001772
Nah, the German tiered system is trash. School is something the GDR did better than the West, the one Finland adopted.
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>>221994016
I want to see some videos of some Greek women saying they don't care in a vulgar manner
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>>222001706
he's not really like jordie since he actually is genuine about language learning and isn't trolling
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LERNU!
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Norwegian kind of sounds like Scottish accented English
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Why do I sound Korean/Chinese even though I'm a native speaker of English born in America and I've never even been to Asia?
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>>222002947
It's over...
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>>222003104
Wow, this is interesting. Do they use some AI model to analyze your particular recording and break it down? Cool. Wish there was a free version
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>>221997722
that's just germany
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>>222002265
What's the difference between them?
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>>222003104
Try speaking Russian as you would imagine an Englishman or an American speaking it and then try applying what you did to English
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>>222002947
.
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>>222003380
skull emoji
wilted flower emoji
They probably don't have the Estonian accent in the database
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>>221994016
also
>det driter jeg i
i shit in it
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>slept like shit sunday night
>great anki answer rate monday
>slept great monday night
>shit anki answer rate today
I've noticed this happening repeatdly over the years. I suppose proper sleep cleans out the brains short term memory?
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>>222002947
Should I try BoldVoice™ for $0.00?
I knew my chances of getting an American gf were already close to 0, but if it stays like this, I'll just get made fun of the moment I open my mouth and say my first English word because of my kimchi-dipped accent.
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>>222001706
Kind of. I'm letting myself to dabble with many languages, but so far I've found one I like, a small one, without much content, and I'm sticking with it for now. Probably because it's a easy one. But I'm also not pushing myself any more and learning it slowly but steadily
>>222002521
Yes, and Irish kind of too. I wonder how much of this is a coincidence and how much is the influence of Viking invasion. Or maybe it's the English of the south that's the strange one, and Scottish and Irish have more conservatively preserved the pronunciation and melody of the language
>>221998338
Just read it with audio / do Anki / do Pimsleur. I think you can concentrate for at least half an hour, anon
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>>222000395
Please don't give up on us, Serbbro. Your encouragement and helpful posts usually go unappreciated and I think that's lame.
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>>222001669
I found this interesting.
>>222002427
Why did you link a kidney stones infographic?
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>do audio exercises
>can't tell the tones apart for shit
>hit listening comprehension practice
>can understand what's being said without seeing the text 90% of the time
I can't tell whether those intonation exercises are a spook or not.
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Behead all Esperantists
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>>222008401
The trooniponers first brother.
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>>222008795
Why settle for less than TCD?
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>>222007202
Giving people practical tips and tools can be helpful, but you can't change their state of mind. If the conversation starts from a frame that they are incapable and hopeless, you can't do much about it because they often get emotional payoff from staying in that frame. I've found words are pretty useless when people are stuck like that, whether it's related to language learning or not. Maybe guided meditation with imagery would help them re-frame, but it's outside the scope of online discussion.
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>>222008795
they can't even type their stupid mayan hieroglyphics and have to use romanji because no OS can support that shit. way bigger threat from esperautists actually having functional keyboards to interact with.
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I am native English and advanced in Spanish, planning on learning French next.
I was just going to jump in however I was curious if any anons have made a similar path and had any advice or particular content I should lean on in the early stages.
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>>222009982
You should be able to jump right into intermediate level podcasts, anything A2/B1 will be comprehensible. Don't waste any time on the beginner level stuff, you are not learning Japanese.
The grammar is also 80% the same. Pronunciation is harder but don't get discouraged, focus on writing first, especially so you don't mix them up.
By advanced I hope you mean an abundant lexicon and mastery of the grammar, including all tenses of the subjunctive.
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>Esperanto
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One day I will be enjoying my siestas with my chicas fr cuh
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>>221994016
>Greeks when i'm in the middle of telling them a really cool story
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>>222005269
Maybe, I've always wondered about this.

I barely got any sleep last night and my retention rate happened to be the highest it's been in a while today. I've also had some days where I got good sleep, ate healthy, exercised and had a horrible retention rate.

I used to do anki reviews on my phone as soon as I woke up while I was still sleepy in bed, subjectively it felt like recalling was much easier.
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I made 0 progress on spanish today but i got drunk and feel pretty good.
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>>222014704
Why are you drinking on a Tuesday
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>>222014704
nada de lo que necesitas está en el fundo de la botella.
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>>222014704
Drinking is haram brother. (Turkey is an Islamic country right?)
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>>222011657
All “Esperantists” ought to be drawn and quartered for sapping energy away from Latin.
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>>222002947
It's just trying to tell you a service. I mean sure it's accurate on hitting the correct accent if it has the data for it (unlike Estonian), but it's clearly trying to find something no how small as we can see by it trying to say the American anon might have a Chinese or Korean accent. Besides I think if you have an accent it stands out more if reading of a script like that rather than speaking freely, it has a tendency to become a bit unnatural.
>>222003104
>>222006025
So I wouldn't worry if I was you guys.
I recorded a voice clip of myself reading an excerpt from a book for comparison, this is what a "90%" Swedish accents sounds like.
https://voca.ro/184QO5bckBDH
I mean I'm certainly not perfect but it's not that painfully obvious right?
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>>222008401
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>>222018669
they described epsteinranto as an 'equitable language'
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>>222018669
Good.
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>>222016760
You sound a little like the Swedish Chef from the Muppets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfafno4HND4

But if you didn't tell me you were from Sweden, I don't know what I would have guessed. Your accent sounds... provincial. I couldn't understand most of what you said. Are you reading Treasure Island? I had a hard time understanding most of what you said, but I think think I heard "Ben Gunn" and "mutineers." Maybe your accent is more put-on than usual?
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How do I start outputting speaking?
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>>222021645
Depends how autistic you want to get with it really.
Generally if you can write what you are thinking in your TL, you can express yourself in your TL. The faster you get at being able to output written, the faster you will be able to output overall.
You can either do a diary, or chat to a AI or catfish whores online whatever the fuck you want to do.
Speaking you either just full send and figure it out as you go along, or you can autistically shadow in your room until your pronunciation is as best as it will ever be before attempting to talk to a human irl.
Ultimately you will make a mistake. Don't be afraid to do so. You only learn by doing.
You can do it Brazil :D
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>>222021897
I mention written output first as if you can't express yourself in writing in isolation, you are probably not going to be able to express yourself in a conversation
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>>222021897
Thanks bro
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Signed up for a language exchange app but idk what to talk about
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>>222022173
Most time in those apps people approach me trying to flirt or saying gross sexual stuff
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>>222022302
Don't threaten me with good time
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There was a brazilanon last thread who said he's learning lithuanian, here's some songs for you
Kernagis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAiESZYDDIs
Foje: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2JuykNP4Do
Erlickas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGbkt3ZJFLs
Relevant (song about brazil, generic pop though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9XisjkUl4
And something dialectal, more for comprehension than anything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_9oSvFlow
All except the last one have lyrics in the videos themselves. For the last one, see how much you can understand, since you won't find lyrics easily online.
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>>222016760
You sound like a mentally disabled native speaker
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>>222023308
Thanks man. I really need to practice my listening.
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>>222024403
Try looking for Lithuanian comprehensible input.
Here's some guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeAIfMOAjXQ&list=PL1RSy2yTe52HRonrypEuxwfpgmIu4Bfc2
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>>222025163
Is glossika a good resource?
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>>222022173
Ask them how their day is, then ask them about the socioeconomic inequalities in their nation and agree with whatever their opinion is, and then finally ask them to show their boobies in your TL
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>>222025378
I don't know, I've never tried it.
I've watched a lot of comprehensible input videos to get good at Spanish listening and it helped.
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>>221994016
Is duolingo a good choice if I'm trying to learn the Arabic alphabet? I just need to reed the letters and know their transliteration since I'll be reading Arabic names all day for work
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>>222016760
I thought swedes were supposed to be good at English
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>>222026262
>Is duolingo a good choice if I'm trying to learn the Arabic alphabet?
Flashcards would be better I think. Use anki
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>>221994016
Serbbro what are the most useful languages to learn and can you explain why?
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>>221994016
Not including the Serbian one is a shame
>My dick hurts
>>Boli mi kurac
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It's over bros, I can't stop switching between learning Spanish, French and Italian.
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>>222027428
German, Spanish and French are the best bang for your buck. Why? They're in the top 10 most powerful languages according to the Power Language Index* and if you factor in FSI hours, they give you the most "power per study hour". If you don't have an immediate reason to learn a specific language, you might as well pick one of them.

* - http://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
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>>222027541
>Ne kažaš srpski jezik
Fake Serb
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>>222027541
I think you also said you believe Russian and Japanese to be useful but Mandarin to not be as useful, is there a reason for that as well?
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>>222027592
Did I? Mandarin is definitely powerful, but I don't care much for it, but that's just my own subjective vibe. Maybe because they're more closed-off to the West, so on some level I feel that Japan and Korea have more cultural output despite being smaller.
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>>222027630
I picked Japanese entirely because of the cultural output, my thinking was that at the time, I didn't have any pressing need to learn a language, and if I picked a language I would enjoy the content of it'd be easier. I guess Japanese is very hard and their economy is terrible but at least it'll be good preparation for other languages, and maybe Japan might be able to fix their economy one day. Maybe I should have picked Spanish though.
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>>221994016
everyone that has said or thought this at any level of politeness in any language is a low iq NPC
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>>222006025
>'ll just get made fun of the moment I open my mouth and say my first English word because of my kimchi-dipped accent
it's an asset everyone loves konglish
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>>222001669
I wonder why French is still so prevalent in Europe when it seems irrelevant compared to English, but I guess it makes sense with all the speakers.

Also I genuinely wonder if there's any upside to learning Latin outside the context of studying history/literature or whatever in college. I know people who learned Latin and the only upside seems to be that they are doing well professionally (doctor and a lawyer) but that's it.

>>222027541
Genuinely what's the point of learning German outside of wanting to live in Germany/Austria (and why would you want to do that lol) or genuinely liking the language? Not saying it's not worth learning but I just don't buy learning a language for its usefulness in a vacuum. In other words, if a language is going to be useful for you, it'll be readily apparent in your life and you won't be asking others what "useful" language to learn.

Anyways, I'm slowly approaching A2 in French and getting a bit more comfy with it, but holy shit I don't know if I'm ever going to get understand French spoken at a fast native level. Hopefully I can get it to B2 before I turn 30 next year so I'm not too senile to learn Russian - I think having a rotation of Spanish/Portuguese/French/Russian will be sufficient, although a small part of me will have FOMO of not learning Italian or German.
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>>222002947
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>>221996931
>>LAYNO
False, its "blyat" in Unkraine
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>>222027849
Woke maps, please understand.
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>>222027786
>if a language is going to be useful for you, it'll be readily apparent in your life and you won't be asking others what "useful" language to learn.

The point is if you don't have an immediate need or reason, then picking a powerful language is a way of "hedging your bets". A powerful language has a higher probability of eventually resulting in some kind of utility, maybe not immediately but somewhere down the line. You have a higher chance of discovering something good compared to a non-powerful language, simply because there's more media produced in that language or more NPCs to interact with or create things or geographically and economically it's in the middle of everything and cool stuff bounds to happen there. It's also helpful to think of languages as icebergs where there are a handful of surface-level cultural facts everyone knows and then a lot of depth you don't see because learning the language is a prerequisite to even knowing about it. It's like saying "what's the point of learning English if you don't want to go visit London and you don't care about Shakespeare", obviously the English language is a very deep iceberg that you don't really discover until you actually know English. German and other powerful languages are similar, they are deep icebergs and there's a lot to discover beyond the surface.
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>>222027786
>I wonder why French is still so prevalent in Europe when it seems irrelevant compared to English, but I guess it makes sense with all the speakers.
Dude you’re making us look bad right now.

> Also I genuinely wonder if there's any upside to learning Latin outside the context of studying history/literature or whatever
Yes that’s the primary draw believe it or not.

>I know people who learned Latin and the only upside seems to be that they are doing well professionally (doctor and a lawyer) but that's it.
If you’re a utilitycel then shouldn’t this be a big point in favor of Latin? People yammer incessantly about the financial returns on a given language (even though it’s horrible for all languages relative to the time invested if you’re murican). So your takeaway from Latin being that you can’t see why it’s worth learning, because the only supposed benefits are its rich corpus and apparent resulting professional advancement seems utterly baffling to me when you combine it with your other posts.

So you can’t see why German could be worth learning despite it being a language with a rich corpus, large nation, and regional career prestige in Europe.

French also isn’t worth learning because it only has a rich corpus, substantial European presence, and substantial global presence, thus aiding in career advancement.

What do you need it to do beyond
A. Have a hefty population
B. Have a rich corpus; and
C. Advantage your career?
Does it need to suck your dick and do your taxes too?
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>>221994016
When I lived in Germany, they used. Scheiss Egal!
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>>222028100
German isn't worth learning shit.
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>>222027957
Alright I think we agree but just not on the framing. Yeah if you're interested in the corpus of a language in terms of literature/culture/etc. then go for it. I'm just saying that learning French just because someone said it's potentially useful is not the best motivation if you aren't personally drawn to it and it's not readily apparent that it'll be useful in your life.
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>>222028100
No not really, if the only benefit of Latin for people that are not going to study Latin texts is increased cognitive ability, then the study of other languages can provide the same effect while providing further utility. And I don't see what you're losing by reading Latin translations if you're not a Latin scholar.

>rich corpus, large nation, and regional career prestige in Europe.
I mean if you want to read Goethe and work in Germany then go ahead and learn German. I didn't say that it was never worth learning dude. I was just saying that if you're just going to pick up German because it happens to be considered "useful" then you're doing it wrong.
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>>222027680
>I guess Japanese is very hard
a good chunk of the difficulty boils down to shit teaching strategies
>there's no resource that tells you which word to pick when you want to speak (e.g. no resource that tells you the words しばしば, よく, ~ことが多い, ちょくちょく, 頻繁 can be used for often, and the differences between them (register and shit))
>you also don't have resources that teach you shit that's not intuitive at first sight at all (おあがりください, どうも, どうか, 悪趣味(wtf it's not evil hobby?), etc.)
>keigo goes ignored as well. shit like なにとぞ you're apt to hear in formal contexts will be readily ignored by textbooks, which take the easy way out by sticking to easy to translate words for the most part
then there's the fact that moonrune resources suck dick because they ignore stuff like phonosemantic compounds, etymology, radicals and stroke order rules letting you guess stroke orders 98% of the time, the structure of compounds (上昇(similar meaning), 生死(opposites), 和服(former modifies latter), 登校(latter is object or complement of former), 非常(former negates latter)), etc.
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>>222028516
>I was just saying that if you're just going to pick up German because it happens to be considered "useful" then you're doing it wrong.
You’re right about that. Same goes for Latin.

However, the value of Latin is something that I honestly can’t properly explain because it is only partially about learning a language and the other part corpus driven (which is why some people “study Latin” and are so dull, because they forgot the goal was to actually go read).

What I would say I guess is if anyone wants meaningful deep engagement with the primary shared canon of the Western world, Latin is the way to do it, and it’s not as hard as it’s made out to be, latinists are just unique in their ability to be overdramatic. Almost everything written in the vernacular until like the 1950s is so steeped in that tradition that it’s an inescapable undercurrent for many texts even in English.
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>>222020306
Yes exactly it was treasure Island! It was the first book I could find in English on my bookshelf. Maybe not the best one since there was a fair bit of colloquiall contractions and the like. Though I think I would sound better speaking naturally off script and not feeling the pressure to squeeze it into a recording.
>>222023796
Actually never mind trying that.
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>>221994016
Bump
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>>221996931
we dont use kanker all that much
kut (cunt) is much more common, its our equivalent of fuck
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hwo can i get fluent in english?
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>>222032705
live as much of your life as possible in english, especially online
english is the easiest language to do that with because everything exists in it and it's generally higher quality
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>>222032705
Live and breathe English. Simple as.
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>>221994016
>I shat myself
Greece are you okay
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Which Jewish language (excl. English) is best?
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>>221994016
Det skiter jag i = I shit in it = I don't give a fuck. "Shit in something" can also mean to deliberately not to do something.
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>>222029732
Your phonology comes across as English-sounding (in the sense of the language, not the country), but your pronunciation of certain words or combinations is hard to make out. Maybe if you spoke at a little slower clip, that would help you speak more distinctly. Here are the main things I had trouble with.

- "colours" ("colors") -- Sounds like you're saying "collars" or "callers"
- The "and sat down" is hard to make out. It comes across as if you might be saying "an sant now," or something with "said," or maybe something else.
- "Now says he" -- It almost sounds like "says" has two syllables, like "sedis," instead of just "says." You're also slurring it together with the next word, so the whole thing comes across as "said-i-see" (almost like Tennessee).
- "Far more likely it's the mutineers" -- Comes across as "Far more like puts the mutineers." I think, you say "mutineers" clearly enough, but the meaning didn't register at first because I was so thrown off by the "likely it's" part.

Besides that, there are details of rhythm and intonation that are disorienting. In the first paragraph, you hesitate a bit ("he... came... to a halt"), and then quickly stumble through the rest. Like I said above, "sat" almost sounds like it could be something like "said," and you end the sentence with a rising intonation. Combined with the fact that what immediately follows is Ben Gunn's dialog, beginning, "now," it almost sounds like you're saying, "... and said, 'Now! Now! says he!'" (which doesn't make much sense, of course, but it sounds like something that is supposed to make sense). Again, I think if you spoke just a little slower, it would probably help with your phrasing.

I recorded myself reading the same passage for comparison. I don't suppose I'm going to win any awards for the narration, but I hope it's a helpful illustration nonetheless.

https://vocaroo.com/14AAJ4aDt4uP

(Looking forward to comments that I also sound mentally disabled, or worse... ESL.)
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El hilo murio otra vez.
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>>222035354
German. Jews liked it so much they based Yiddish off of it.
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>called Nigerian Pidgin
>is actually a creole
what did they mean by this
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>>222006954
>Kind of. I'm letting myself to dabble with many languages, but so far I've found one I like, a small one, without much content, and I'm sticking with it for now.
I'm so happy for you brah. Let's all turn into gigapolyglots
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>>222040585
Pidgin and creole basically the same thing. A creole is just a pidgin that has become the primary language of a nation as far as I am aware.
A creole has roots in being a pidgin.
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>>222000626
facts

>>222002947
oño

>>222009982
im native spanish, im learning japanese now , but, im planing to study italian and french too, but i think its better to learn first italian because its closer to spanish i think?

>>222014704
borracho

>>222014898
fondo?

>>222027518
start with spanish

>>222027786
>Genuinely what's the point of learning German outside of wanting to live in Germany/Austria

i just want to understand what Rammnstein are saying okay, but also, because i love asuka langley and i want to be her since i was a kid
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>>222032705
mira muchas peliculas, juega videojuegos en ingles, trata de hacerlo sin subtitulos
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Does anyone know any easy to setup local translators? preferably open source if possible. I only have internet for 2 hours a day and I use that time for work
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>>222043699
The best local translators will be local Large Language Models. The more VRAM your graphics card has, the larger, and tehrefore better, models you'll be able to run. Gemma 4 is probably the best of these models right now, and comes in multiple sizes. Here are the two smallest ones, which should be able to run on a variety of hardware:
https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E2B-it-GGUF
https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF
The different files you can download are different quantizations of the same model. Quantizing a model makes it dumber but easier to run. At the same file size, it's generally better to run a quantized version of a larger model than an unquantized version of a smaller model. These are .gguf files, which can be run through a program like koboldcpp:
https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp
Read the OP of >>/g/lmg for more information
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>>222043699
https://github.com/argosopentech/argos-translate - not the easiest to set up, but it is open source.
if you have an android/iphone phone (or an emulator for one), you can use google translate offline, kinda.
https://support.google.com/translate/answer/6142473?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&oco=0
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>>222041155
Thanks. The only downside is that I sometimes confuse my TL with similar languages I've already tried. But that also helps me grasp things faster because I can see the similarities. And because of these similarities, I’m not worried that I made the wrong choice, since switching languages wouldn’t be all that time-consuming, especially in the early stages of learning. So I allow myself to switch languages at any time, but I’m not doing that. Also, having less content, but still some, actually helped. And good luck in your learning too!
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>>222000763
I had
>German, Dutch, English, Latin, Greek, French (all mandatory)
also:
>Music, PE, Drama, Art/Culture/Design
>Geography, Physics, Computer Science, Mathematics, Chemistry, History, Biology, Economics, Business Economics, Civics, Philosophy, Sociology (Phil. of Life)
Only 4-7% of students go to a Gymnasium, so the difficulty can be cranked up a bit. I was sadly an ADHD problem teenager and never did the homework, but thankfully gifted and still passed.
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>>221994513
I'm not Greek but I shat myself
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I decided that I will try to Ajatt my way with the Lithuanian language.
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>>222050185
I ain't reading alatt
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>>222050316
tl;dr
Me lithuanian all day
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>>222050185
Is that even possible
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>>222050407
Radio + audiobooks + literature + textbooks
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>>222050380
It was a play on AJATT but replaced J with L and then the phrase I ain't reading all that lol
Comedy with multiple layers type shit fr cuh
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I am learning Spanish and I feel that my reading is quickly out pacing my speaking and listening perhaps. When I am listening to music in Spanish, I think I can understand maybe 50 percent of it. When I read the lyrics along with the song, I can understand 80 percent. Why can't I understand as much without the lyrics? I am also learning Puerto Rican Spanish and I hear those types of Spanish are a bit more difficult listening wise but its the Spanish I am most familiar with.
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>>222050510
Sorry I have the 'tism
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>>222050638
>Puerto Rican Spanish
Que asco.
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>>222050638
>Why can't I understand as much without the lyrics?
puerto rican spanish is an enigma even for other spics to decipher, just consume more spanish from puerto rico to get better at understanding it, wish there was more that could help.
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>>222045047
>>222044914
nice thank you very much anons
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>>222050638
We've had this conversation a few times before. It's this >>222051337
It's basically a meme in the Spanish speaking world
https://youtu.be/4j-bCVCeLfo?si=Zk053wnP1KcXvsE6
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>>222050638
Honestly I never really understand what is being said in songs without looking up the lyrics.
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How am I supposed to learn Spanish considering I understand 100% of the input I receive?
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>>222051796
Just imitate them like you’re doing a racial stereotype of your preferred accent until you get it.
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>>222028516
>if you're not a Latin scholar
The problem with this sentiment is outsourcing engaging with the mind of the West, your own mind, to a guild.

No wonder people feel rootless and manipulated, they lack the ability to parse even their own heritage. It's like saying only architects ought to know the first thing about how to use a screwdriver. It's a non sequitur. There's a sickening learned intellectual helplessness that has become all pervasive in American life, yet I lack the imagination to properly express the full extent of my disdain for those who embrace that odious sentiment.



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