Fellow Euros, how do you feel when seeing the EU flag ?Just 5 years ago I was very hostile I thought this was an attack on our sovereignty and very hostile and wanted to tear it down and put a French flag instead. But I traveled a lot I saw it everywhere. I visited a Swedish mountain, I saw it, I visited a Spanish desert, I saw it, I visited a Romanian city I saw it also. Every morning I go to work I see a EU flag. I hate to admit it but really it is growing on me. Whenever I see it I think it is not so bad and I am at home wherever it is in Europe. Furthermore both Russians and Americans hate it and that makes me think it is good.
>>222375818>how do you feel when seeing the EU flag ?
>>222375818I like it a lot, also it makes 80 IQ nationalist chuds seethe which makes me like it even more
>>222375818Why did you just doxx yourself like that?
>>222375818Seeing the Pelforth arouses much stronger Evro-patriotic feelings in meGod bless Belgium
>>222375818I'm split. I'm generally a nationalist but I'm starting to think euros need to cooperate. Then again the EU is shit
>>222375818Long live EVROPA
>>222375916Wow I live in Paris like 15 million other people, go ahead and reveal my location and my secret that I kind of like the EU flag, my life is over now
>>222375877
>>222375818>I thought new thing bad, but after seeing new thing over and over, now I think new thing good!OP is an actual true native French.
>>222375922Pelforth is French actually
>>222375957Based on your filename it looks like you just took this photo and you're probably still sitting there. Someone can pay $10 to take a satellite image of your location and doxx your identity. Or take multiple photos of you while going home and doxx your home.
>>222375818I dont like flag wavers in general. We have our own german achievments
>>222376095Yeah go ahead I am on the terrace, 67 (heh) Cours de Vincennes 75020 Paris, if anyone comes here I am paying him a pint no questions asked
>>222376095do it faggit or stfu
>>222376095>someone's gonna dox the bar you go toAnon must be shaking
>>222375818i don't care, but to be honest i almost never see flags. people here generally have no attachment to the country or any institutions it's part of
>>222376276A very surprising thing taking the train in Romania and Bulgaria was random EU flags on panels in fields in the middle of nowhere. Like big "EU financed a project here" signs and it is a random wheat field. The billboard is from 2018 but it is already rusted somehow.
idk if I've ever even seen the EU flag in real life. Where have you spotted them?t. countrysider
>>222376095>>222375916>>222375957I quickly went there>here is OP
>>222376347all EU fund money gets redistributed to party members and oligarchs and the panels are placed there just so they can pretend something was done
>>222376405Besides the places I mentioned this is my previous workplace, tour MontparnasseSaw this every morning for a year and a half, it conditioned me i think
>>222376159Computer enhance
>>222376481The real difference is your oligarchs spend EU money on yachts and prostitutes in southern France, while our oligarchs spend EU money on yacht builder companies and prostitute strip clubs in southern France
>>222376159See you next month pal
>>222376717Cheers
>>222376674Fundamentally Slavic oligarchs aspire to be a 17th century noble who drinks wine and fucks his concubines all day in a Provencal castleThe bolsheviks didn't kill enough of themAnd before someone accuses me of being a leftist, most of the Slavic oligarchs are jewish, so i think we can come to a bipartisan accord that the guillotine needs to make a comeback either way
>>222375818I was skepticali at first, later grew up from conspiracy theories and now im ok with that, probably without eu romania would have been yugoslavia v2
>>222375818How I feel? Total disgust because you and me aren't the same and you shouldn't be forcing your cuckold state upon my country, which you do
>>222375818I feel the way you did 5 years ago, and I'm getting increasingly hostile to it. A few months ago I had pic rel be put on my bus stop. I genuinely could not believe how far things have went down. We are literally entering 20th century propaganda levels.
>>222375818I never see that flag here in Lapland. It's either the Swedish or the Finnish flag. On rare days I might spot a larping Sami having their Temu gypsy flag up.
>>222378407In my jurisdiction they show white people with guns. EU is not nearly as gay as Americans made you think it is, maybe it is German but I really don't think it is that gay. The Germans are raising a European army for a total war right now, do you have a problem with this ?>We are literally entering 20th century propaganda levels.Very good news, 21st century is full of faggots, we need to go back to the roots. Tabks and planes and guns and white people fighting. This is Europe.
I don't feel anything I think most Europeans basically see it as a logo of a company or organization not a representation of some kind of identity no matter how much the media tries to shove some kind of unified European identity down people's throats. Everyone is always gonna identify with their country
>>222375818Makes me want to vomit. Fuck the EU
>>222378574I have a problem with every German-related thing, which is one of the big reason I shit on the EU.
As seen ITT the only people against the EU are random""""ethnicx"""""" ethnicities like samis and icelanders, or non-Europeans like Serbs. These people would rather spread their cheeks wide for anglos and russkis, not even for benefit (lmao which one?) just out of habit I guess. Anyone from a real people without a cocksucking habit very much supports the EU obviously.
>>222375818No one here has any opinion of the EU or its flag. I’m certainly not seething over it. I actually wish Europe would become a real country but that would probably make a bunch Europeans seethe
>>222378789European countries can chose to unite into one country at any time. Russia and USA aren’t preventing you from doing this.
>>222378845Making a bunch of Europeans seethe over a unifiication process would be trad and therefore based
>>222378877They absolutely would try to prevent this, and that would be absolutely normal. Fortunately for everybody, it's never going to happen under the current state of the EU.
>>222378989It’s not going to happen. Boomers rule Europe and they don’t care about anything except extracting as much pension money as possible. Not saying our boomers aren’t bad also but there’s levels to this.
>>222379012Romans did it. Since then Napoleon and Hitler failed, but third time is the charm. I will die for anyone who tries, even if he is British or Polish, I'll go and die for it.
>>222379012USA has usually been supportive of greater European integration. Only reason the current admin is against it is because the chud parties in Europe are also against it while the pro EU people are mostly liberals or soc-dems who they think are gay. it’s not really deeper than that.
>>222379106The US is supportive of a weak EU, sure. I don't see how it would welcome a new potential rival though.
I don't feel anything.When I hear about achievements from the West, they don't feel like a shared thing.Maybe because I am a chud who didn't go on Erasmus, but I don't think anyone West of Poland genuinely care for us. I do not believe that for these people it matters what happens to us one way or another.The Finns and Poles might care about us if only for geopolitical reasons, maybe Swedes, but the further West and South you go, the more marginal we become.But more than that, I just don't feel any gusto from the Western Euros.Americans, even though they probably care even less and see everything through the eyes of business, feel like they have at least some fire left in them.I can't imagine Western Europeans getting fired up about standing up for themselves, and that doesn't inspire confidence.
>>222379106Even taking in your framework, US pro chud parties are the most incompetent I've ever seen if they actually want to influence Europe. We have them making statements that they condemn Ukraine and support Trump and hate Europe. If I didn't know better (that you politicians are actually retarded) I would guess they are trying to undermine us with their Trump-Putin glazers that completely estrange the boomer vote for no benefit whatsoever. The US just does not understand Europe whatsoever. Either that or it's an actual scam. No idea. But all the US does here is ridiculise the far right by association. It just took Orban out of power. I am still not sure whether the US right in Europe is illl-intentioned, or if it is just stupid and incompetent.
>>222379365See picAre the organizers incompetent ? Overconfident ? Delusional ? Take your pic
>>222378789>reddit filename>reddit textGo back
>>222379152Same as we’d welcome a unicorn kingdom as a potential rival>>222379365> US pro chud parties are the most incompetent I've ever seen if they actually want to influence EuropeYeah no shit chuds are stupid. It’s difficult for nationalists to work together with foreign nationalists since you know they’re nationalists
>>222379339Oh fuck off we brought you out the 3rd world with our money and you keep whining about us still over madeup shit and identity issues like a fucking thirdieWe pumped 100x your gdp to make you functional and you keep whining about imaginary cultural lines and undue complexesYou know we are French right, not German ? We wouldn't care if you got colonized again and we bordered Russia ? Naturally we would have a great understanding with Russians like always in history, you have no idea to what degree we are taking it upon ourselves to tolerate the middle European countries besides Poland and pretend you aren't all Russians and we shouldn't just strike a deal with them
>>222379643This is exactly the sentiment I was talking about, yes.
>>222379643king
>>222375818It makes me think of dumb german women that destroy Europe demographically and caused an uncontrollable epidemic of crime in all major western cities and it reminds me that they should be fried on an electric chair but are given medals instead. Also high taxes, crayon in the nose tier energy policy and rules for thee but not for me.
>>222379643>>222379893>"western europeans don't stand up for themselves">frenchoid stands up for himself>"nooooooooooooooo not like thiiis"
>>222375877>mfw literally anything (I am completely dead inside)
>>222379052So the only time it succeeded was without Germans, hmmmm...
>>222380796>I feel that Western Europeans don't actually care about us>"Shut the fuck up you little eastern parasite if we had it my way we would let russians have you because we don't care about you. How can you say we don't care about you after all we have begrudgingly done for you?"I guess that is one way to stand up for yourself.The point of my post was exactly what that Frenchman said, that ultimately you in the West see no inherent value in Baltics, probably most of the rest of Eastern EU either.Specific to Baltics is the fact how remote we are from "actual Europe". Most Balkans are a couple of hour drive away from a Western city. Romanians and Bulgarians are about as far as we are, but they have Roman ruins to look at and go "VGH..."We have our Livonian order forts and being part of Hansa but no one cares about that, all that was 500 years ago, all that matters are the last 50-100 years and for most of that we did not exist as a cultural unit to leave a mark.Seeing other Europeans here is exotic.We are not part of the "actual Europe" but some marginal parasites who you would be better off without if not for your idealist neolibsWe have benefited from EU, but gibs by themselves do not inspire confidence in EU to the point that we would feel safe and accepted as part of the community and not begrudgingly tolerated.I feel I have more in common with an truck driving American than I do with a Dutch person complaining about 90% of the towns roads being bikelanes is not enough.As I said in the original post, someone from here who lives in the West or went on some exchange program probably has more EU patriotism or than my chud self.
>>222375818we don't fly the EU flag here
>>222382252lmao
>>222382252It's true, we're born alone and we die alone. So... the butthurt belt needs to band together and colonize Russia. At least up to Ural.
>>222382252No no, not him, but you are mistaken about "Western euros", who are "Western Euros" here ? A man from Porto is like one from Hamburg ?Conflating French, German, Italian, British, is exactly the same as conflating Polish, Russian, Czech and Ukrainian. Do you sincerely expect a man from Tuscany or Catalonia to care about you this much, like a man from Helsinki or Münich ? Sure, maybe, but only if we communalize the budget then, huh.It's nothing to do with contempt for the Baltics and all to do with objectivity here.Nothing against the EU, no "marginality". I am saying sincerely : if you have an inferiority complex towards the Germans, give up on it, they are not worth it, if Germans were that good they'd have gotten us out of the crisis already anyways. And don't pretend we """"westerners""""" (who exactly ? west of what ?) oppress you. Just carry your weight.
>>222382504lmao
>>222382252you sound like a woman ,are you a woman?
>>222382252It's not about you fren, it's about me caring about France and not much else.
>>222375877That's a rough hairline for a 6 year old
>>222375818>Just 5 years ago I was very hostileno you wasn't
>>222382953I was so much I brought a girl on a date to a fucking Dieudonné show
>>222382521>>222382600You both misunderstand my apathy and mistake it for seethe.The question was, does the EU flag spark a sense of unity, and it doesn't, because it does not feel like there is an organic connection going both directions with most of the other members. There also aren't that many of us so our expats are rarely noticeable abroad.I ultimately accept this, I am not happy about the state of things and wish they were different, but I am content and as a result don't feel patriotism for EU. NATO on the other I feel a selfish belonging because it provides a sense of value in the form of security.I never tried to imply that Westerners oppress us.Westerner, if it was not obvious, refers to Free Europe as it was during the Cold War.The fact that I have no expectation of someone from Tuscany or Catalonia to care about us was the whole point, but I will come back to this.Objectively, from the perspective of "realpolitik" Baltics are inconvenient for Europe geopolitically and without any cultural ties giving even a little connection what binds us together sometimes can feel very shaky.Iceland was the first country to recognize Baltics regaining independence, most Icelanders probably don't know this but it carries a significance to us.When our criminals went over to UK and Ireland, that is embarrassing but it ultimately it is what it is. When I heard some of our criminals went to Iceland, broke my heart a bit, I got angry about it. Obviously a meaningless gesture, but would I have cared about Iceland as much if not for this act of theirs? Do I expect that Icelanders care as much in return? Absolutely not.These kind of connections are what create a sense of unity as superficial as they may seem and while we might have some that go Western there are much fever ones that go back Eastward to us, so it can feel one-sided and that feeling one-sidedness fuels the sense of being marginal.>>222382561women unanimously love the EU though
>>222375818Like it or hate it, you guys have no choice but cooperate each other because you can't even handle Russia, right?
>>222375818Europe is a garden
>>222383222About coming back to the topic:Catalonians picked one of our composers melodies to make a song during their peak independence fever. Maybe that create some connection between Catalonians (the ones that were pro-independence) and Latvians, but probably not as we ultimately no official support was given.Eventually, maybe, we might build some positive associations on a larger scale than individual level, but that will take time.Western Europe could build these ties throughout 20th century while we could not and that puts us on the back pedal.
>>222383230We can 1v1 Russia but it would involve too much friendly fire teamkill, they are all afriad of us.
>>222383222If I misunderstood it, it was for melancholy, not seethe. You're right that we don't care about you though, and I indeed personally see you as very inconveniently located. The thought of potentially going to war with Russia for you is very much not a pleasant one. What I tried to say is that I really don't feel any more close to you than to Finland or Ukraine. We never hear about you. The only time I had to spend thinking about your country was to not get you mixed with Lithuania and Estonia on some highschool geography test. That is the reason why the EU is such bullshit btw. It was a bad idea almost from the start, and it went from bad to worse every time it expanded East.
>>222383352Then why don't you guys just stop them right now? At least Poland and Romania got bombed by them.
>>222375818Every time I see the flag "Ode to Joy" starts to play in my head
>>222383344If it makes you feel better. If latvia is invaded that's a security problem for Lithuania and Estonia. If it's a security problem for Lithuania and Estonia. If it's a security problem for Lithuania and Estonia than it's problem for Poland and Finland. Normal people may not think this way but our Generals do. USA is also projecting power here to fuck with Russia.
EU is just a globalising force of homogenization with added compliance and bureaucracyi detest it and it deserves to burn along with all its overpaid bureaucrats
>>222383509Poland wasn't bombed by Russia. Whachu smokin.
>>222375818>how do you feel when seeing the EU flag ?Disgust because it represents the administrative and ideological failure of a good idea, that Europe must work together, which was distorted under the framework of a soymaxxed cult of liberalism that told you that Europe cannot possibly work in the 21st century if it isn't specifically this, that then reached the inevitable point of all liberal projects which is to take the Popper route and resort to authoritarianism as a preventative measure against authoritarianism. The unfortunate truth is that Europe cannot be liberal, or if it is liberal then it cannot be an empire, and as it stands the imperialism is ignored in favor of a nonsensical socdem popperite shithole that is bound to collapse under its own dissonance. Some of its elite has come to this understanding that it's either the gay bars or a nazi empire and that you can't have both, so they have chosen the gay bars, and as such have strategically deserted the imperial ambitions of geopolitical subjectivity or a strong autarkic economy in favor of America and its liberal guarantees (and occupation), so America will keep sabotaging our industry and micromanaging our foreign policy and this will become dramatically worse in the upcoming blue wave. The flag is a reminder of all of that, and that there are idiots like half of this thread who pretend that none of this exists and that we're totally btfoing Russia China and America in two weeks, meanwhile these same people are anxiously waiting for the midterms so that they can know whether they can once again submit to Obama 2.0 with a clear conscience, further enabling American occupation for liberal guarantees under the delusional claim that we're in this together and that their victory and economic growth is also the colony's.
It was everywhere in Ukraine when i left, and i assume there is even more EU flags now. And it's not even a member state. While for the westerners this flag might raise question about losing sovereignty, for Ukraine it's rather opposite, a flag of entity that is completely opposite of russia and it's neverending yoke
>>222383222Well, first off, finding security in NATO considering recent US declarations seems deluded to me, hence the pivot to EU. US doesn't care anymore we have to rely on European armies. That means ours, at least as long as Germany keeps sitting on it's ass.And I would not say you are inconvenient, you are the opposite, Baltics have been the designed battlefield of the next war, it pretty obvious. I don't know that there is even any strategic point to take over, it's just the next designated battlefield. It's a convenient empty battlefield with no actual strategic value point. No offense but you aren't Taiwan, there is no risk to waging war on your land and if Russia pushes it will be done there without much risk.Also, do not overestimate the difference between you and the "West". "Western" ("Western European", it's not the same as generic "Western" whatever that means at this point) wages and yours are meant so be harmonized eventually and closer than you think, Your "criminals" are not really a problem in the west, per capita, nobody thinks per capita you are seriously criminal. Not even Germans probably. Even Romanians we think are safe, so you ... Nobody thinks of you this way.If there is marginality in your situation it is in quantity not quality. Latvia has 1.8 population, same as the Lille or Marseille regions alone. Paris alone has 15mil, 10 times the Latvian population, this is why you are marginalized, not your qualities or behaviour, which are above average all things considered.
>>222383792You overrate how much Westerners estimate US democrats I think. I put 1000€ on Newsom and I am pretty sure I will win then 6000€ back, yes, but I will also right now put another 1000€ that it changes nothing, we pivot away from them and Atlanticism is dead and buried.Simple reason : their army is relocated to Asia-Pacific since that is now the center of the world trade.They have better things to do, it is pretty clear, they are not coming back. And here is a power vacuum in Europe, but also there are established nations, interests also that know what they want. And it seems foolish to dismiss them all as irrelevant.I think it's a very similar historical situation to Western Europe after the Roman Empire, left before the Huns. The Romans retreated all the legions and said "not our problem". Some of us survived back then, while others did not. We are in the same situation : the global empire collapses, no more protection for the margins, the margins take care of themselves.
>>222383830That's quite understandable. EU did a lot of good for us easterners at first and the access to the EU market is a big advantage but all the other stuff that was promised like , democracy, sovereignity and rule of law, that's being boken constsntly and going in a worse direction all the time. They literally fund parties that are obediant to eurocrats and will freeze your funds if their candidate loses. They're full on dictatorial now and their dictats are fucking retarded. It's now a struggle for the people to maintain control of their own countries. I think maybe you should skip the EU and just join NATO and Shengen. I would want that for Poland tbqh.
>>222384276>I don't want to join the fragile alliance with caveats and hidden clauses>Let me instead join the 20th century union that is completely dead, buried, irrelevant, and where the main initiator of the thing just doesn't care anymoreGreat planEven better than trusting us in the 1930s, now is the perfect time for Poland to trust the USA.
>>222378174literally free to leave at any time bro
>>222384429At least NATO is not totalitarian deathtrap so what's really the harm
>>222384462pro tip, if there is no harm there is no benefit eitherthe polish government might as well join turning point usa youtube channel then
>>222384509We're not spending 5% of our gdp on militarization because we have an undying faith in NATO
>>222384088>Simple reason : their army is relocated to Asia-Pacific since that is now the center of the world trade.>They have better things to do, it is pretty clear, they are not coming back. And here is a power vacuum in Europe, but also there are established nations, interests also that know what they wantThey don't know what they want, we have the fucking Germans starting drama over saving a few % revenue for fighter jets the. Let them go all die in the steppes if they feel like it. I can understand Eurofederalism but the problem is you are relying on Germans to not be autistic for 5 minutes, so it is much better to be a national isolationist
>>222375818Its a representation of the jewish tyranny and stranglehold on our homeland.
>>222384645Probably a part of the great Polish strategy, like when you called us weak then "ordered" to be put under French nuclear umbrella protection with no counterpart whatsoever ? No buying anything just fucking ordering us to do it, apparently. Not even Germans are this deluded and rude.If this is how you treat your allies I would also put all the Polish GDP in the military, it's unlikely you will be rescued with such diplomacy.
>>222384892roughly 96% of the polish military budget is dedicated to hookers givikg blowjobs to the US department of defense, all they have left for the rest of us are rambling alcoholics
>>222384892>>222384963Well you are too weak and stupid. It's not our fault that your idea of governing is being racist to whites but sucking african dicks while taxing and regulating yourself into oblivion. But we can't order you to do anything. Also you are the rude and deluded ones clearly.
>>222385038Yeah yeah France is literally Haiti unlike based Trump's USA and holy based Poland bastion of the white race, I love Donald Trump and Filipino immigrants too. You are such a bunch of fucking hopeless retards.But I would die for Poland anyways. You nation is worth so much more than low iq Americanoids like you. It's sad but we will save you whether you like it or not.
Not that political, but love it now since Russians obviously hate it, plus you seldom hear of the EU here, which is an indication it works alright.
>>222385222I love France too <3
>>222376442Gigakek
>>222376095>i'll be there in 30 minutes to knock over that card standthat was a good thread and i'm glad I experienced it
>>222375818Bullshit hostile flag from invaders
>>222375818I'm looking at that flag and see Brussels - literal hell on earth with only 10% white population. This is the capital of the EU.There's a school nearby flying EU flag next to ours against the protocol (wrong side) and I'm thinking of reporting them because it genuinely disgusts me kek
Poland is the only country in Europe where I would not mind if it were split and the culture (lol) erased
>>222376159bodied that freak
>>222375818I agree and had the same feelings. I'm kind of sad we're not in it anymore.
