>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>222348477
I will most likely learn a new language (Spanish) and I might document it!
>>222483371I will actually do this if you guys give me a chance. I promise.
>>222483371>>222483472
>>222483542You hate me and the Brit does too... I am serious this time.Guys, do you want me to document my Spanish, or to Vanish?Reply to this, honestly. I will see which side wins and I'll either learn Spanish... or Vanish!
There was a Portuguese anon here who studied both French and German. The question is, which one is more difficult? I'm guessing it's German in terms of vocabulary, since French is a Romance language, but I'm not sure about grammar. German has cases, yes, but only four, and practically three, and uses operators like in English which are more easier to grasp
>>222483620https://desuarchive.org/int/search/text/i%20am%20serious%20this%20time/country/jo/
>>222483805One last simple question, Serbbro.If I prove it that I am serious this time... Can I clean my record here?If I do really learn a language and speak it, I mean.Answer honestly. Has it reached the point that I am not welcome here even if I do learn a language?
>>222483843No. In a just world you'd be hanged and made an example of.
>>222483869Alright then. I can't complain, since I have no one to blame for how I am perceived here except for myself. I take responsibility for that.I guess I'll see my way out.Goodbye!
>>222483652Yes German grammar is harder. French conjugations almost all sound the same
>>222483933See you tomorrow
>>222483994I'm struggling with French right now, especially with speech comprehension. German was slower in learning and constructing sentences, but it was clearer. And English doesn't help me with vocabulary at all; it just makes me lag. But maybe my English is not good enough. Or maybe I'm too old for very demanding languages
>>222484775Yeah I definitely struggle more with German speech comprehension. I was just watching a video and I had to keep rewinding constantly. The phonetics of the language definitely sound more like English but idk, I can't process it as quickly as French.
Why are almost all comprehensible input creators women?
>>222487338No one wants to watch/listen to a dude when they can watch/listen to a cute girl
>>222487338At least part of it is the fact women are more into LearninG foreign languages than men (at least in the anglosphere), but that doesn't account for all of the discrepancy.Another part of it might be that women are just more comfortable putting videos with their face in it or talking about their daily lives out there online as a facet of gendered social media culture.Another factor is probably that it is easier to build an audience as an average or above average looking woman than for the equivalent man.
>>222487338Podcast Italiano is a dude
>>222487338It's basically because white women are a lot of the viewers and have a strong in-gender bias and don't want to watch malesEnglish CI meanwhile is completely unironically overwhelmingly attractive white men creators with asian female viewershttps://youtu.be/q2jiv5mXW4M?si=doscTb-IwvzuV27l
>>222489143It's surprising that people can make a living off making comprehensible input videos for English. I figured there's so much English content out there already that it'd be pretty useless. I guess there's less content for British English though, and maybe people want to learn that over American.
Is it possible to develop a good French accent, or is it impossible after a certain age? Of course, understanding where a word begins and ends in a sentence would also be helpful. Italian and even Portuguese seem much easier to understand, so how on earth has French become so successful? Or maybe I’m just too slow, I don’t know
How come german mostly lost case endings on nouns, but not on articles/determiners/adjectives?
>>222489910Yes everything is possibleNow get to work
Besides Zlibrary where can I download literature in my target language?
>>222483168pronunciation practice. To all the arab anons, please correct any mistakes I made here https://voca.ro/13ZE4qpORu0F>>222491816I like your mindset anon
>>222483168Genuinely, why the fuck did anons stop creating/replying to challenges? They were the main reason I came back in the early 2020's
>>222489910Ot course you can, it's just really fucking difficult and it depends on what your native accent already is like.Not French, but for example pronouncing Japanese correctly is way easier for Portuguese or Italian speakers whose phonology is already very similar to Japanese
>>222493610Are you that nigger who posted poetry (however simple) for a challenge? Simply kill yourself.
>>222493008I don't speak arabic, but it sounded like arabic to me.I really just came here to say please change your bloody smoke alarm batteries mate (or replace alarm if needed). There was like 5 loud chirps in your 2'n'a'half minute audio recording.
Translation challenge: what is your personal philosophy on life? What keeps you waking up every morning?
>>222491816I was just finishing the work >>222493684Pronouncing Italian, Japanese and even Portuguese seems muuuch easier than French from my perspective. French is hardly close in the difficulty level to all those Germanic languages with a strange vowels distinction, but also has liaison and flat accent (idk how to name it, Italian has that rising accent in every word for comparison)>>222493991>What keeps you waking up every morning?Juste, je me lèveJag bare står upp
>>222493991>What keeps you waking up every morningNothing, I just do. I understand Kafka now.
Okay translation challenge time, I hope these will be of an appropriate level. Bonus points to whoever can guess what I'm quoting from. >EasyThey say that the mental influences are very bad, too.What is it, only God knows.Everything had happened in the last half hour.When he did enter he saw something dark in the corner.>MediumBehind and below there was only a darkness to which the men dared not return. "It spreads on everything organic that's been around here," muttered the medical examiner.They were glad of the path, for they could not have gone the front way by the well.>HardNo traveler has ever escaped a sense of strangeness in those deep ravines, and artists shiver as they paint thick woods who's mystey is as much of the spirit as of the eye.The rural tales are queer. They might be even queerer if city men and college chemists could be interested enough to analyze the water from that disused well, or the grey dust that no wind seems ever to disperse. Thaddeus went mad in September after the visit to the well. He had gone with a pail and had come back empty handed, shrieking and waving his arms, and sometimes lapsing into an insane titter or whisper about the "the moving colors down there".
>>222494496Are you learning English or are you retarded?
A difficult Germanic (German) + an easy Romance (most likely Italian, maybe Portuguese or Spanish) language, or a difficult Romance (French) + an easy Germanic (Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch) language? I'm also not sure if I should put articles here, someone please explain
>>222483168Germany should have been an eagleBrasil shouldve been a macaco, dont mean it as an offence, lets just be real, thats the more fittitng national animalSpain should have been a bull, the fuck is that lynx shit
>>222495339retarded duh, why do you think im here
>>222496813Honestly the difference in difficulty is trivial, just pick whatever culture interests you more. It's not like you're trying to choose between Swedish and Chinese or something like that.
God English is so hard to pronounce
>>222483805this made my morning, thank you serbbro. i prayed that you complete your anki review without missing a card
>>222496813PLEASE do not end up like that motherfucker living in jordan right now. PLEASE actually pick one language.
>>222493709no you stupid faggot
>>222493924>I really just came here to say please change your bloody smoke alarm batteries mate (or replace alarm if needed). There was like 5 loud chirps in your 2'n'a'half minute audio recording.yeah sorry about that, was meaning to get them changed earlier but never had the time, I'll get on today though
>>222499773Is it true that it's a racist stereotype that black people never change the batteries because they just don't notice the beeping? (I don't agree with it btw)
>>222499939it's not racist or a stereotype if it's true with credible documentation. it's true btw.
>>222496813The differences in difficulty between these languages are so small as to be compeltely trivial. The only reason German is in FSI Category 2 is because of the case system, so it's unclear if that will even make much of a difference if you're a native Polish speaker. Just pick the ones you're actually interested in. I'm not one of those people who thinks you should pick the language you want to learn based on pure pre-rational introspection, but if you're the type of person who goes "Well, I was going to learn French, but I guess I'll learn Italian because the language is marginally easier..." then you're probably never going to learn it to a high level. Let's say Italian takes 600 hours to reach basic fluency, and French 700 hours (<- these numbers are completely made up). If you like French more and are therefore only motivated to study Italian for 50 mins a day and French for 1 hour 10 minutes a day, then you'll learn French around 20% faster than Italian despite it being more difficult.Similarly, I don't think it's always a bad idea to learn two languages at the same time, but you shouldn't be in the beginner stage of two languages at the same time. Pick one and then get to the point where you can regularly consume native content, then decide if you want to learn another.
>>222499939I'm not black (though the gorilla pic is a funny connection that I didn't clock in when I used it) but it's definitely true and not just a stereotype
>>222497349english spelling is retarded
>>222491920Internet Archive?
>>222491920https://annas-archive.gl/
>>222489143I've considered trying to make English CI for thirdies. Is the market too saturated for an ugly burger to /make it/?
what level hsk are the chinese translated doraemon mangas at?
>>2225019961 because all native content contains some words outside the HSK curriculum, which is totally okay and you need to just go at whatever pace you can handle and dive in.
>>222497133Problem is, I am bigger noob at learning languages than I thought. My poor pronunciation is driving me crazy, and I don't have the time to learn all the languages I want. I should have started at age 7. I'll think of something eventually >>222499137Too late. That is, I am actually learning them, but I am in a weird beginner limbo and I forget everything after a short break from a language >>222500189Well, the differences between the categories seem greater to me. I learned a Scandinavian language, and a little content helped, but I have this problem: I try to do everything myself and I don't know if I'm making any terrible mistakes or if I'm even speaking clearly. I'll be honest, I'm thinking about going abroad for work for six months or something. Therefore, I'm considering Dutch or German as alternatives. I like all of them except this one, just for different reasons Romance languages: I decided to learn them to meet girls. I just like them all but differently. But yeah, probably one at the time.
>>222501851it seems surprisingly unsaturated but i think you probably have to be hot
>>222504613If you can't even tell how good your pronunciation is then it means your comprehension is lacking. You can never speak better than you can listen, so first you need to improve your listening through inpoot. Spending loads of time right at the beginning repeating simplistic sentences with a bad accent you can't improve is just going to waste time and make you frustrated
>>222504659>you probably have to be hotGrim.I haven't looked for info on how to teach people English or how to make comprehensible input.
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>>222501851The pay (YouTube) of third world countries is peanuts. 5,000 American viewers make you earn money more than 1,000,000 Indian viewers.>>222499137I am about to give language learning another try. Want to hold me accountable?
>>222508437Hello from yesterday :D
>>222508567I really want to learn a language nowh8ers gunna h8 but I am honest this time
>>222508602Ok
>>222508437i'll have and want nothing to do with you, retard.
>>222508717then suck my dick just like your mother does, faggot
>>222501851It's hard to make a living making English learning content because thirdies can't afford to pay a ton for lessons.You'd probably be better off getting a TEFL certificate and actually teaching English somewhere.
Is learning German even worth it at this point? Should I focus on learning languages which have more future potential like Chinese?
Fuck. Language learning without anki is like running a marathon without legs. I never should have stopped using it.
>>222513061Just read more, Portie. It's the same shit just infinitely less tedious.
>>222513134Read? You mean books?
>>222513407Just text of any kind. Comics, manga, newspapers, magazines, even tweets... every time you read a sentence, you're not just picking up new words, but reviewing ones you already know in a meaningful context. It's easy reps.
>>222513514But how is reading better than watching content for getting exposure to words? I still encounter new words when I watch series, it's just that I don't see the same word again for months, or even more than a year, which is why I think I should be using anki again.
Hey cutie patooties, any mandarin learners here that have a favorite vid/app/thing/whatever to help me drill pronunciation?
>>222513873PimsluerAlternatively, defrancis Beginner Chinese (audios are all online for free and there’s a ton of close pair drillings).
>>222513772Written content is just more information dense. More words = more reps = brain acquire gooder. Watching content is also good, but half of any tv show or movie is going to people not speaking so it's essentially wasted time.
>>222508437>>222510251It's not surprising that thirdie eyes aren't worth many ad shekels. Maybe I'd be able to find creative ways to monetize it other than adsense. Are there any specific regions worth targeting with CI content, or is it better to take a worldwide approach?
>>222514594East Asia.
>>222514763Specifically China/Korea/Japan? There are a ton of people in places like Vietnam and Indonesia, so maybe there's less competition in those places.
>>222514821Besides Europe, highest GDPs, large educated online populations that want to learn English. Specifically, there’s probably good jobs to be had tutoring if one can get wealthy clients in business, and a following/client base can be built up via CI.
>Don't reply to the jordanianOh lmao it's some dumb joke>Jordanian instantly talks extremely weird even for the internet.What the fuck is the lore on that flag if OP even specifies that.
>>222515621rules are written in blood
>>222515770Man, he's got spunk, I'll give him that. Sounss like a giga autist though. Has his condition improved? Looks like he's been writing for several years and still can't speak spanish.
>>222514821The average wage in Indonesia in dollars is ~$200 a MONTH. The average wage in Vietnam is slightly better at $300/month. At a certain point people just can't afford to pay you enough for it to be worth your time. The math doesn't work in your favor. Of course there are wealthy people in those countries, but you'll be competing with other online English teachers for them.China is probably your best bet. It's difficult to advertise and gain students since they use different social media sites, which makes things more complicated, but it also means less competition.
>>222515770kek
>>222515940Not one bit. Exact same person as all those years ago you're seeing in the funny 3x3 chart. Still here shifting between delusional gloating and begging for acceptance while also never moving beyond A1 insults. Thankfully, flags exist so you know what's reality from (thirdie) fiction.
Today I will study French. Ah who am I kidding I'll just end up reading Japanese litterature the same as always.How do people even mess around with multiple languages? It's too fun and addicting when you git gud at one.
Let's go back to basics. What language is everyone learning? And give us a rough idea of your progress. Maybe you've shared it before but it's hard to keep track of which flags are learning what.>Mandarin Chinese>Half way through my hsk5 (~b1) anki deck, but am only really focusing on listening comprehension and ignoring the other 3 skills.
>>222513980Books don't help with listening comprehension though. Also, I just enjoy watching films/series more than reading books.But it seems to me like the real issue is that whenever I switch genres, I realize I've forgotten a lot of words related to that genre, which is why I think I should be using anki again. Maybe if I read a fantasy book, then a science fiction book, and continued cycling through genres every month, then I could avoid that problem, but for me I think anki is a simpler solution.
>>222488267indeed i want to watch women, not men, but i also i don't want to speak the language like a woman. big dilemma.
>>222521997That's the reason I was thinking about it; I saw some British guy who speaks Chinese with a really good accent and all the Chinese people were like "Yeah, but he sounds gay because he talks like a woman". I think that's probably an extreme example and it's fine to consume mostly women for beginner material as long as you don't also disproportionately listen to women once you switch to native content.The main reason female CI creators suck is because all of their beginner videos are stuff like "Guess The Disney princess" and half their intermediate videos are about relationships (the former is part of a wider trend of CI creators apparently thinking they have to talk about childish content just because they're using the vocabulary of a child). I don't know why any man would want to watch this. Are people really gooning to Lazy Chinese?
>>222519735They just don't get good in (at?) any language I guess>>222521997These CI guys often sound like women anyway. Not all of them, but there is this specific kind of voice, I can't define it >>222513061I use Anki to learn bird colors and voices
Learning Polish. Is Duolingo generally an okay platform to learn languages? It's teaching me some things that are unnecessary according to Poles, but I suppose it's basically teaching me from the dictionary, people just speak differently.I mean, it's working, I'm learning words, but this is my first time opening this thread I'm seeing people talk about anki, am I being too normie by using duolingo?Thanks in advance
>>222523764it could be good for the first few days to get exposure to the language but duolingo is not viewed as an ok platform to learn languages (on it's own). i used it years ago before it got steadily more enshittified and it was 'ok' by that time's standards. you should, after getting all the euphoria for polish out of your system, find a book for learning polish that you like; and you would benefit greatly from making flashcards, real or digital. (if you do like duolingo then just don't use it by itself is the tl;dr.)
>>222524357Thanks mate. I did search anna's-archive for a book last time when I was waiting for a flight I'll have to have another look and actually pay for one I think. Thanks again
>>222523764>>222524492If one intelligently and diligently uses duolingo specifically as a vocabulary builder and reading drill app it’s actually quite good, the problem is that the app itself by its nature discourages focus and the encourages rushing through things. If someone was plugging an hour into duolingo a day of solid effort, reading the sentences aloud, saying their answer aloud before looking at the word clouds, and putting the key phrases from each unit down somewhere (like flashcards) for review, then a duolingo course can potentially be excellent.Most people just do 2-10 minutes a day lazily and not paying attention though so they never progress.
>>222517839Perhaps he should either didicate himself to one language to truly master as his second language (assuming english isn't his second language already) or just embrace the fact that language is sometimes just a hobby. I've seen plenty of hobbyists learn how to say hello in like 20 languages lol.The gloating and begging is unexplained. Like wtf is he begging for? God to grant him average intelligence? Gloating that he tried to learn something new?
>>222524623 Yeah, makes sense. I thought the same pretty early on. I noticed myself rushing and just clicking the answers rather than taking in what it was saying or practising my pronunciation, hence my question. I'll still use it for vocabulary and lessons but won't use it as my main learning point until I find some literature or something.
>>222523764>Is Duolingo generally an okay platform to learn languages?No. It’s a complete and total waste of your time. You’ll be drilling “I eat cake” foe 100 hours before you learn what past tense even is. If you really want an app, get Memrise. It’s just a fancy pre-made Anki app and it’s got basically every language you could want. Use something like that for beginner vocab and watch some beginner videos/read one of the OP textbooks to make sense of grammatical structures. Literally anything is better than Duolingo, not because it’s methods are bad but because it completely disrespects your time and actively wastes if with stupid bullshit unrelated to the language and then drags out everything.
>What language(s) are you learning?I'm going to learn basic russian, slurs of russian, slurs of turkish, and perhaps callouts and directions in cs2 in russian.I have zero interest in even getting good at the game, I just like being an asshole in chat. Never met a turk that didn't instantly start raging in chat.
>>222524818>The gloating and begging is unexplained. Like wtf is he begging for?Gloating that he's actually going to learn a language this time while also begging that you ignore the other countless times that this has happened.
>>222525430Started browsing the archive of him. 2000 instances of language with his flag and it's him saying he's gonna learn several languages at c1.The guy is committing the cardinal sin of learning something new. Talking about it for validation rather than learning it. Why the fuck is he even chasing that. He's better than most monolingual plebs already so him fucking around here is probably just for fun. I refuse to believe people are that attention starved.
How can I learn European Spanish instead of Latin-American Spanish? I am bilingual in English and Spanish, however, my spoken and written Spanish are 'okay' and not nearly as developed as my reading and listening/comprehension abilities.I have decided to get lock-in and get a CEFR certificate for my language abilities, and am certain that the exam is based on European Spanish (Castellano) rather than Latin-American spanish - that and I hate my spic side of my family and do want to sound like a gorilla by speaking latino rather than castilian. Are there any particular resources or methods that I should use to study/improve a language that I am already highly familiar with?
>>222524623Wouldn't it be better to extract the content and learn that way? There used to be something called DuoItalian, where the entire course was practically on the website. Duolingo also displays the information in a strange order, from what I remember.
>>222526106Yeah it has a lot of oddities. What you’re describing is essentially just a big anki deck. The main issue with anki is that SRS is for memorizing information in as few reps as possible, which doesn’t produce fluent usage, while duolingo essentially allows over learning because of how much volume you get per word and sentence pattern. The anki of the key phrases is there so you have a way to keep a connection with all the drilling volume. It’s the same reason why someone who does pimsleur and does anki of all 1500 of the key phrases will be a way more fluent speaker within the curriculum than someone who just did 1500 anki sentence cards. One got 75-150 hours of speaking therapy plus some anki, the other one just got anki. This gap is why so many people can read high literature in classical languages but can’t talk at all. It’s also why audiolingual courses like FSI that aim to produce fluency as early as possible are so oriented towards drilling. A lot of textbooks from the 60s-70s are like this too. Defrancis’s chinese series is a great example. You may drill a sentence pattern 50 times in the main english-pinyin lesson, drill it 50 again in the hanzi-only volume, and then encounter the same pattern another 50 times in the reader, all of which has accompanying audio. It’s incredibly tedious but when I hadn’t decided on what language to pursue I tried it for Chinese for a month and still remember and can even actively use the bulk of what I learned despite doing it over 2 years ago and not touching Chinese since. I only even put 1-2 hours in a day.The above is the same principle behind how Alexander Arguelles used assimil books.I went with a friend to Japan once who had done 2.5 levels of pimsleur over a few months, and what Japanese they did know was extremely limited in scope, but they were able to carry on conversations where other friends who had studied for years were afraid to speak in public.
>>222521857It actually helps with listening because a major obstacle is comprehension speed, not just perceiving specific sounds etc. When you practice reading with a certain flow and speed, one word after the other without pausing to think/remember, that also usually translates decently well to listening comprehension. The way I think about it is you start out with no understanding, then with lookups/translation or Anki you reach a slow understanding, then you work towards a fast and automatic understanding. Listening comprehension requires that fast/automatic understanding, which you can build through reading as well if you do it the right way.I'm not sure if you've noticed, but there's a qualitative difference between knowing that TL word roughly maps to NL word vs. having a certain "feel" for what a word means, that's more implicit and contextual. Going from slow to fast understanding is going from that mapping TL->NL to the "feel" through enough exposure. Later you discard the mapping because it was just something you used to get to the "real" knowledge.Not saying you should stop watching tv shows, just saying you shouldn't neglect reading, especially if you feel like you're plateauing. With German, I went through a lot of graded readers for the sake of practice, it's not just about new words, but practicing putting everything together. If it's boring, just imagine that reading one page is like reviewing 300 word flashcards in context. If you read 5 pages, you're already doing 5 times the usual Anki drone workload with much less effort.
>fish had a regular plural (fishes) in old englishwhat the fuck
>>222527474I know we don't use it in the traditional sense anymore but never heard of the phrase "sleep with the fishes?"
>>222524623>If someone was plugging an hour into duolingo a day of solid effort, reading the sentences aloud, saying their answer aloud before looking at the word clouds, and putting the key phrases from each unit down somewhere (like flashcards) for review, then a duolingo course can potentially be excellent.That was kinda me with Mandarin and I still wouldn't recommend relying solely on it. You still want to supplement it with some kinda grammar guide and outside material. Bears mentioning that DL is likely demonetized here (no points for guessing why), so I didn't have to deal with its aggressive ads or constant begging for a premium. It did its job in letting me get my foot into the door that is Chink alphabet, so there's that.
>>222527474For me it's fishies
>>222525499I think it started out with him being genuinely stuck and having motivation problems, but then over the years he gave up and just leaned heavily into the lolcow persona so now it's just 100% attention farming. Don't try to diagnose him or figure him out, he just uses it for further troll material later like claiming he finally got on ADHD meds and he's super serious time, oh but no wait, his parents don't want him taking powerful drugs so now he's back at square one again. People have mostly caught on to his shenanigans but he still manages to fool newfags into giving him serious replies.
>>222527654>It did its job in letting me get my foot into the door that is Chink alphabetI'm using Hanly for this purposeBit of a questionable order to the characters, but it's easy for me to work on it for 15-30 min sessions. I usually do it morning, lunchbreak, after dinner, before bed. I think it works if you're honest about your level of recall (or failure to recall). Even if it slows progress.
>>222519852>SwedishAlmost done with my first proper book, Inferno by Dan Brown. Comprehension was decent throughout, I was following along with the audiobook so I didn't do many lookups but still picked up a lot words. I've ran out of TV shows, so I'll just continue with this book+audiobook method for a while.
If I want to learn French, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese, what's the best order to start? I was thinking Italian or Portuguese. Italians understand Spanish better than the other way around, and the same goes for Portuguese. French is the odd one out anyway
>>222527396I've definitely noticed what you're talking about, but I've found that watching series has forced me to exercise the comprehension speed muscle more than reading. And that has definitely helped me a lot with that subconscious understanding that you're talking about. What throws me off is usually an unknown word, or for whatever reason, some connected speech with words that I know.Those are just my reasons for my current strategy, but ultimately I know you're right and that neglecting reading is not ideal.
>>222529280Start with Spanish or French for maximum available content
>>222529481Spanish and French have so much more content?
>>222528063First time hearing about him definitely gave me a little entertainment.Imma ignore op and reply to the jordie.>>222508437What language are you studying currently or abandoned recently? I assume even if you stopped, you have some knowledge in it still. I wanna see what you are able to write in it.
>>222530849He keeps coming back to German the most
bump
>>222530849refer to pic
>>222536917Can we fix him?
>>222536917Hahahahaha holy shit. Can we get this guy abnend? It could be the first step in him becoming a productive member of society. Only 50% joking
>>222529280Start with French and Spanish. French first for Europeans, Spanish first for Americans. After that, Portuguese and Italian are basically side-quests. Their utility is so much less than French and Spanish that it doesn't really matter if they're easier.>>222529751Astronomically more.
>>222537595Get him a Palestinian refugee gf who will only marry him once he's fluent in French. Problem solved.
>>222539277He's gay
>>222539250I prefer Euro Spanish though (and Brazilian Portuguese if that matter)
It's so fucking depressing how much time it takes to learn a language. I'm learning Spanish, which is literally as easy as it can possibly get for a native English speaker, and even at the rate of an hour a day it's still going to take well over two years to reach any real level of proficiency. And I have SEVERAL languages I'd like to learn before I die, some of them in requiring many thousands of hours of dedicated study.
>>222540370Skill issue.
>>222540370Yeah, I feel you. I regret that I started so late and that I didn't take foreign languages seriously in school.
>>222540370What's the rush anyway? You're probably in your 20s, you have your whole life ahead of you, champ, just keep at it.
>>222540477Me too. I could have gotten into this as a teenager and who knows how far along I'd be by now.>>222540483I'm already 30. By the time I have a few languages under my belt life will already have basically passed me by. My one singular cope is that I'll still be able to read classic books in their original text even when I'm a wrinkled old man.
i gave a long time ago
>>222540152It's over.>>222540216Peninsular and American Spanish have superficial differences. You'll understand 100% of it regardless of which dialect you learn. Also I don't see a problem learning Brazilian Portuguese, it's probably more useful, but I can't comment personally on how it compares to Portugal's Portuguese.>>222540370I thought like this until I actually started learning Spanish. You can get to the point of having basic conversations within a few months. A mistake I made was thinking that you need to speak a language perfectly or you can't speak it at all, despite talking to Hispanics with broken English literally every day here in America and patiently piecing together what they need. Your Spanish might not be able to negotiate trade treaties with Panama, but you can 100% get to the point that you could go to any Spanish speaking country and survive with under a year of studying. Unless you're already in a place where fluent Spanish would help you, the main advantage of getting better is that you can input more interesting content.
>>222540578>I'm already 30It’s already over. Just quit.
>>222540578You are me from the States. I'm even an unc just like you. On the other hand, I remember my French teacher seething about France. Did she expect us to fall in love with France because of that? I blame her>>222540709English, French, Russian/Spanish, Italian/Portuguese. Maybe Japanese/German in somewhere between those, depending on how my life goes. Unfortunately, I won't have enough life for more than that
when did you start using italki?>know that it will help immeasurably>feel like I should get "good" enough before i start to do it to make it effective use of money and time>also know that with this attitude i will never start to do it
Bumpo before the bed
bump niggers
>>222543507We don't use that word here
wie kann mann sagen "suppose to" auf deutsch?"i am suppose to go to the movies""i am suppose to eat dinner with friends tonight"
>>222496865The canonical representative animal of brasil is the snake. I could give you a bunch of reasons for that, but I figure you're not interested, so I won't bother.
>>222543661i approve it.
>>222541446Five minutes of talk time have been deposited into your italki account.
>>222540370A bit of formal study complemented by switching all or at least most of your media consumption to Spanish should have those hours fly by.
