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>>222556057how hard it is to learn russian if I don't know anything in cyrillic and never studied a slavic language before?
>>222556098Cyrillic is the easiest thing to learn, I don't understand why people are afraid of it and not of cases or pronunciation. Lusophones probably have a slight advantage when it comes to Slavic languages compared to Anglophones or, idk, Spaniards.
>>222556098It's like ~2200h according to FSI estimates. That's like 3 years of doing 2h per day.
>>222556222People are probably just hesitant about scripts because they remember learning to read the first time around. Though with how much easier it is to learn a second one, unless it's Chinese or Japanese I don't think that it shouldn't even enter the equation.
>>222556057Is there anyone ITT who has experience with learning multiple languages at the same time? I've been learning Russian for some time, and while I'm not quite adept at it I think I'm progressing at a reasonable pace, I can play vidya with Russian localization without too many interruptions to consult a translator, and extract the meaning of most sentences even without one. I was thinking of maybe starting Japanese after I'm somewhat fluent in Russian, but Russian and Japanese sound eerily similar, and my brain has already been automatically connecting Japanese words I hear in my annie-mays with Russian conjugations because of it. Am I going to end up with an incomprehensible slurry of both languages in my head if I try to learn them together or am I retarded and overthinking things?>>222556098Cyrillic is dead easy to learn, aside from pronunciation for some problem letters like щ and ы. You'll probably be cursing grammar more than anything if you do decide to learn Russian.
Every time /lang/ dies on page 10, I cry.
>>222558596>Is there anyone ITT who has experience with learning multiple languages at the same time?I’ve recently started learning two languages as the same time. Sort of similar to you, I’ve gotten pretty good in my first one before starting my second one. I think you’re overthinking it, and I did the same. As long as the languages are quite different, like mine are and like Russian is to Japanese, then you shouldn’t have a problem. They shouldn’t blend together like Spanish and Portuguese might. I do find myself having to mentally prepare to get into the zone for both. By that I mean intentionally reinforcing in my head that I’m going to focus on this language over the other. The biggest drawback is that you’ll progress slower in both, doubly so with how difficult Russian and Japanese are, but I don’t think it matters if you’re still putting effective time into both. But, if you’re a B2 or C1 in Russian, you’ll probably be fine.
old english or old norse?
>>222558596>You'll probably be cursing grammar more than anything if you do decide to learn Russian.yep,I'm aware of it
The fact that the jordie hasn't appeared upsets me. Come on, I'm a newfag that wants to engage in jordie bait. If there is a million jordie fans, I am one of them. If there is only one fan then that is me. If there is zero then I am dead.Come on jordie, learn your third language. Mog these bilingual fags.
>>222561116Are you learning a language or just here to tard bait?
>>222561323Learning russian but then I learned of the jordie. Also speaking of the cyrillic alphabet, it is pretty to understand it like ш, щ, and ж (sh, sch, and the sh in mea*sure*) as an example although writing it in text barely clarifies it. Ы is fucking weird as fuck to pronouce. You're supposed to pronouce it from like your chest or something? Not a standard vowel in any other language.
>>222558596Mixing them up is not a problem long-term. If you mix languages, it just means you're not advanced yet in the language you were trying to speak.The problem is dividing your time and energy between two languages. Even with one language, you have to convince yourself that you're making progress because it constantly feels like you're stagnant.
Bloods aren’t in here studying languages anymore. They’re studying each other.
>>222561116Can I join the fanclub? I have vintage jordie memes.
>>222556886Perhaps. Maybe it's because I'm old that I pay more attention to the limitations of my oral apparatus. Chinese and Japanese writing seems like a lot of fun though. >>222558596Always ended badly for me. The worst part is lagging, because you know how to respond in a foreign language, but not the one you actually wanted to use, since they’re all jumbled together in that one little corner of your brain reserved for languages you’ve just learned>>222561116Don't bait him. I still believe he'll learn the language, unless he's already learned one and is just trolling us
>>222561890Yes>>222561951I have faith in him. What if he becomes a super polyglot and knows every language he failed to learn?
>>222561890What's the oldest jordie meme? I found this artifact on 8ch*n's /lang/.
>>222562224Damn, I actually don't know. I shouldn't have spoken so soon, my Jordie memes are mostly recent.
>>222561517>Ы is fucking weird as fuck to pronouce. You're supposed to pronouce it from like your chest or something? Not a standard vowel in any other language.ы was weird learning to sound out. it kind of sounds like a really really disgusted 'ew´, but you kind of almost swallowed your tongue halfway through the motion out of pure disgust.
>>222562721Probably better listening to russians explaining it to me than reading off text for obvious reasons. Related to learning Russian, one thing I'm going to attempt to do soon is to grab a Russian copy of Crime and Punishment, scrap all the words of each chapter and learn each chapter's words individually before reading it in Russian.I've already read the book in english but it'll be nice to reread it in russian and then attempt to read other dostoyevsky's books in russian like The Idiot. Then expand outwards into Russian news articles and the like.
>>222563306are example sentences on the backside of the card the knee wraps of language learning
>>222563306Why the fuck am I learning Chinese
Hola racitas. Estoy intentando espanol por 8 meses pero es todavia malo y yo me siento averganzado un poco. yo cambie de random palabras a grammar y sentences. Deseo todo las personas aqui tegan buena dia.
how the fuck do you actually get better at listening (russian) at a A2-B1 level? Native content is too hard and content aimed at learners is too boring. It feels like a very awkward spot, not just in terms of listening but the latter is harder since you can't brute-force it like reading
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>>222565232>Native content is too hardStop being a pussy and just do it
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It's not worth it
>>222560783>>222561553>>222561951Thanks for responding /lang/frens, I think I'll study the Japanese scripts for now and only start learning the two together after I'm a bit more fluent in Russian.
>>222568084recently i've figured out doing typing tests in other languages once you've set up an input method like mozc for japanese makes you proficient in that writing system practically in a week, 日本語 にほんご nihongo, 한구거 hangugeo, and الفصحى al-fuṣḥā all in two months. I'm learning 中文 zhōngwén at the moment too, but that's a whole different beast. And once i'll get my bearings on देवनागरी devanāgarī's consonants there's only thai left..Honestly, set up the input method of your choice (for japanese i recommend mozc) and just hack away at https://monkeytype.com
>>222568311With the kana, because it’s a syllabary, once you know the vowels and n あいうえお ん it’s a piece of cake if you supplement the typing by just reading the kana aloud once, which takes like 30 seconds. A i u e o, ka ki ku ke ko, ma mi mu me mo, etc.
>>222556098Cyrillic is the baby level shit, only hard part about it is the ъ & ь, annoying part of Russian is the stressed pronunciation as well (very much like how English pronunciation learning feels for ESLs where it's basically just "I dunno you just gotta know the pronunciation lol good luck bro!")
>>222558596Definitely doable, I learned French and German at the same time. Gymnasium schools in Germany or the Netherlands also teach their students English and French/Spanish/Latin/etc... at the same time. If you do Gymnasium in a place like Switzerland you literally just have to be doing this
I do not like Quebec FrenchI find it confusing
>>222561951Logographic writing is really interesting and a complete new way to look at writing when coming from phonetic scripts. The original chinese is quite elegant in it's design, though the Japanese implementation is all manners of fucked up which would require a lengthy post to fully describe.
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How true is this?I can't decide between Japanese, German, Turkish and Persian for my second language.
>>222558596>but Russian and Japanese sound eerily similarThey totally DON'T
>>222574779It's just some guy's opinion. Closest thing we got to an objective ranking is the Power Language Index*. German is a good choice in terms of power and difficulty, Japanese would be more rewarding if you're a weeaboo but it takes forever. Turkish and Persian are pretty irrelevant unless you really want to live there for some reason or you're a glowie I guess.* - http://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>>222574779Hungarian should probably be B minus tier but everything else looks accurate.
>>222574818They totally do anon, trust me. Aside from their very similar phonologies, Russian and Japanese both have a letter for the rare 'ts' sound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_affricate#Occurrence - slavic and jap-adjacent languages have them too, but that's a given), and Japanese adjectives (kawaii, atsui) have the same sort of endings as Russian adjectives (милый, жapкий). They just sound different on the surface because Russian crams consonant sounds into syllables like dissidents into overflowing gulags, while Japanese is much cleaner with just one or two consonants per syllable, usually with a vowel at the end.
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>>222574779I don't understand why French is ranked one tier below Spanish, especially since it's probably the only language besides English that has more learners than native speakers.I don't understand why German isn't at least one tier higher, given that Mandarin is ranked so high and also covers mainly one region of the world. German is the language of wealthy countries with significant political influence.I also don't understand the distinction between the Religion/History/Culture tier and the Keep or Die tier>>222571911I like the chaos of Japanese writing. It's similar to English in that respect. Yes, it's annoying, but it also seems engaging>>222566910No wins, I've fallen into the Jordanian cycle again. On the other hand, I'm better at recognizing birds by their songs, and I know a little sign language
>>222575887>Russian crams consonant sounds into syllables like dissidents into overflowing gulagskek
>>222560972Both at some point
>>222578806>I also don't understand the distinction between the Religion/History/Culture tier and the Keep or Die tierreligion/history/culture tier has a big ENOUGH base for the languages there that if everyone learning them just died more people would probably spring up and keep them going because of what those languages left behind. keep or die are the languages whose threads of prophecy were severed and now persist in a doomed world until they go.
>>222560972regarding what?
>>222571911https://files.catbox.moe/8oq55b.pdfDoes anyone know of any 简繁 handwriting typefaces that give a feeling like Comic Sans or where to find them that aren't KaiTi(I inevitably have to use KaiTi to fill in gaps anyway)
Why does every french teacher got deep blue eyes wtf
>>222579142>religion/history/culture tier has a big ENOUGH base for the languages there that if everyone learning them just died more people would probably spring up and keep them going because of what those languages left behind>Silesian>Manx>Cornish
>>222579758yep they're very old with not a lot of speakers but they're in countries that have lots of nationalists that look to their nation's cultures and histories. just need a couple autistically fervent enough people to keep a language going.
maybe i should have learned russian instead.is there anything about learning that language that is easy, like lots of content_
>>222561116I can be your foster-Jordie.>>222580704You can say the same thing about Karelian, Chechen, Belarusian, Mari, Sami, Hmong, Tatar and Ainu from the tier below.Also:>just need a couple autistically fervent enough people to keep a language goingLanguages need normies to live and bloom
>>222571911>which would require a lengthy post to fully describe.I want the lengthy post. I am trying to destroy my desire to learn japanese
>>222581572>I am trying to destroy my desire to learn japaneseI cope that Japan is kind of like a worse version of Scandinavia. Sometimes it helps
>>222581313>Karelian, Chechen, Belarusian, Mari, Sami, Hmong, Tatar and Ainuchechen belarusian and tatar should be in the higher tier you're right due to the high levels of nationalism in their countries, the other ones though are still whobodies relegated to the annals
>>222556057How long would it take for me to learn russian? I speak serbian.
>>222582031I think Norwegians are generally ugly. I like swedes, and Icelandics. Love finns- but could never learn finnish.Danish people are kinda weird- im not sure haven't been there. I think that danes are kinda annoying.Japan is filled with ugly people but I prefer their style of doing things. and their food. It's much more livable. Just so far away and I would always be an outsider. I'm not sure if scandi is just better... It's definitely white but its not autistic enough.
>>222582946It depends on what you mean by "learn" (Manage basic conversations? Talk like a highly educated native speaker? B1? B2? C2?), but the FSI puts Russian in Category 3 (~1012 hours) for native English speakers so I think it would probably be more like high category 1 or low category 2 for a Serbian speaker, which is ~700 hours. How much the FSI class time estimates apply to individual self-study is up to you to decide>>222581572Japanese temps me away from Chinese precisely because I love the weird mix of logographic and syllabic writing systems. If even kanji is somehow fucked up, even better. I'll still wait until after HSK 6 though
>>222581572Okay effort posting time. I'll ignore kana since they're basic phonetic writing and no issue really The problem starts when we get to kanji. They were imported from China in about the 5th century, but they didn't simply import the characters as abstract representations of concepts, they basically imported the entire language and wrote everything in Chinese since it took them quite a while to figure how to write in Japanese. Eventually this ended up with characters having a whole mess of readings from both Chinese and old Yamato origins. For example a common character such as 生 can be read with the Chinese origin sei but can also be used here with the reading i in 生きる ikuri to live, the character just represents life. In total it has something like a dozen different readings which have to be figured out from context. There are some general rules here, but there are a ton of exceptions to this. Either way when one encounters a new word such as 生じる the with same kanji we are already familiar with it is now read as shou, and the only way to know is to know. Even when we use a Chinese reading which are more regular we don't know which one because they borrowed multiple from different Chinese languages. So when 生 is used as a phonetic component of a character such as 性 one has to learn if it should be read as sei or shou on a per word basis. Common words can also use kanji substitutions both phonetically or to alter the meaning. Kiru to cut can be written as 切る but it could also be written as 斬る in which case it means to harm or kill someone with a bladed weapon. As an example of the second both 攻撃 and 口撃 are read as kougeki, the former means attack, while the second one is a verbal attack where the first character 攻 is substituted for the one for mouth 口 which is also read as kou.Cont...
>>222584846Then there is a thing called ateji where you use the readings from kanji but not the meaning such as 寿司 sushi written with the characters for lifespan and govern. What do they have to do with the famous dish? Absolutely nothing. Once again the only way to know what it means is to have looked it up. Next we have gikun where you use the meaning of the characters but not the readings such as in the word 黄昏 tasogare meaning twilight written with the characters for yellow and dusk but doesn't use their phonetic components. Then we have maybe the worst part of them all names. While there are of course general patterns to name readings and everyone knows common names like 田中 tanaka or 鈴木 suzuki. But for more uncommon names you can really only make an educated guess and any of the multiple readings can be used for a character in a name, as well as additional nanori readings which are only used for names. How do you know how to read someones name? You have to ask them. Or in books there is usually a reading provided next to the name when a character is first introduced even in material aimed for educated adults. As a specific little extra shit show there is a thing called kirakira names where they use foreign names written with kanji in a manner which doesn't correspond to the readings. 天使 tenshi meaning angle could be meant to be read as angeru borrowed from English. It's not too common and generally thought of as low class behavior and thankfully the Japanese government recently banned the practice but the people who have those names are still around course.That's the tl:dr basically of the many factors that makes Japanese writing a complete mess.
>>222585686It's really an incredibly retarded language. You'd think the Japs of all people would've figured out a better writing system.
Is audio-only SRS a meme?
>>222566910I’ve had to back off on Latin to prep for the bar exam, so I have been doing a lot less reading, but I found that just casually reading after a couple weeks of break that I had progressed way farther than I realized. I was just over analyzing before rather than carefully reading, and now I feel really comfortable with some of the more difficult authors like Caesar all of the sudden.
>>222571911Having dabbled in both, fully logographic writing like mandarin is interesting, classical chinese where it’s really 1 character 1 word especially so; but I actually prefer kanji. I love that it’s logographic representation of meanings, independent of the specific words being used. It makes it so much more versatile (which makes it harder to learn) even if it is chaotic. Kanji can’t be studied like words but rather words that happen to contain Kanji can be studied and recalled more efficiently at least for meaning.
>>222583163And the best time in Japan is when you're a well-off teenager or young adult. After that what do you have? Work and alienation, and on top of that, a cultural and language barrier because even if you finally learn the language, you don't have that much in common with other people, and the Japanese ppl seem extremely shy to me.
>>222584846>For example a common character such as 生 can be read with the Chinese origin sei but can also be used here with the reading i in 生きる ikuri to live, the character just represents life. In total it has something like a dozen different readings which have to be figured out from context. There are some general rules here, but there are a ton of exceptions to this. Either way when one encounters a new word such as 生じる the with same kanji we are already familiar with it is now read as shou, and the only way to know is to know. The flipside of this is that the second you learn the rough meaning of any vocab containing 生 you instantly get a substantial semantic leg up on dozens of other words, including when a given character is used as a semantic component of a semantic-phonetic compound (not to mention that you get the rough onyomi for derivative characters if you know it). That’s why furigana texts can be handled earlier than people think if you can analyze characters, since if you read “光 あれ” the furigana will tell you the pronunciation and the noun is often self-defined from the combination of context and the plain meaning of the character. And of course Kanji make chinese compound words much easier.
>>222588342Audio-only how?I do audio-front TL-text back.
>>222566910I'm gliding through a series dubbed in French.Also watching an anime dubbed in German, but it's more of a painful crawl.
>>222589065That's basically what I mean, TL audio on the front and then definition or TL text + definition on the back. It's part of the whole thing about prioritising listening at the start supposedly giving you better listening comprehension and a better accent in the long run, although I'm not sure how true that is and how big the tradeoff is with not learning characters (I'm learning Mandarin). I'm not willing to go full ALG where you obsess over avoiding reading but depending on how effective it is I'm willing to do some stuff on the margin to prioritise listening (decreasing the relative amount of reading I do, listening to audiobooks at the same time when I do read, audio-only flashcards, etc.)
>>222589264I've been doing it for a few years now, but I don't include any definition or translation, just audio front + exact matching text on the back. Almost every card that I have is just a sentence with one or two unusual words or phrases, so even if I forget the meaning, I can usually guess it from the context. If I completely forget, I just look it up again.I would definitely recommend it, but I haven't tried it with a non-latin-script language.
>>222584846>>222585686This sucks and all but to be honest it hasn't made me want to not learm japanese. I know its irregular and difficult but here you are telling me about it Impressive.It's also more aspirational than german, which would give me more confidence. So what textbooks, anki decks or learning resources do you reccomend?
just started Madrigal's Magic Key to Spanish yesterday and came across this... listed is meant to be usted right? is this some kind of janky epub error? might actually buy the book seems good to just pick up and read
Jordanian-style shenanigans and good night bump: I think I'll skip French for now. I'll start with Spanish or Italian or Portuguese because they're easier to pronounce. I’ve also decided not to learn all the Romance languages and to add a Germanic one to the list (German, Swedish, Dutch), so choosing a Romance language seems even harder now, since not all of them will be on the list. I’m also struggling with the urge to learn Japanese. My goals are money, a wife, cool history and art because I want to use the language in a professional setting, my friends want to set me up with their older cousins and I like good stories and pretty things.
>>222568501i think i wished this was the case. but i know how to handwrite ひらがな hiragana and カタカナ katakana and that just requires weeks of practice.. i don't need that practice for japanese anymore, but the way i practice chinese is by anki presenting 拼音 pīnyīn and a few meanings and then writing out the characters from memory. i have 800+ 汉字 memorized by now. i think of entirely new characters a syllabary that way too, since it's not like hangul where each character is composed of up to 5 or so phonetic components.
>>222590657https: //djtguide.neocities.org/guideThis might be useful
>>222592403It’s what I did, and you didn’t specifically say handwriting. Also, I didn’t finish remembering the kana but for the chunk I did do I could cover about 5 characters in 20 minutes.
>>222585686>天使 tenshi>chink reading is "tianshi"This shit always surprises me.
>>222588823Agreed, basic stuff with furigana is surprisingly accessible. Reading kids manga is what got me interested enough to keep going until I could start with adult material.>>222590657Well you clearly got the right attitude to make it. I started with a core 2k deck, then just mined words to my deck. For textbooks I did complete Japanese followed by tobira. I've got nothing to compare with but those worked for me. Imabi is also a good grammar resource even if it's a bit wordy and exhaustive to be good beginner material.
I think it's time that someone revealed the TRUTH!Serbro an Jordie are actually the SAME person. When he wants to change characters he just switches his VPN over.>Why would someone do this?He gets the satisfaction of helping people or participating in constructive discussions while being respected but also gets the satisfaction of playing the court jester.>But I've seen these two have back and forth conversation with each other.你 have been FOOLED. The non-simultaneous nature of these discussions makes this an easy trick to pull off. He just does this to throw us off his ruse.Do you think it is just a coincidence that Serbie is learning german and Jordbro has often considered learning german? The truth is out.
>>222597064This kind of nonsense spontaneous attack could only be the work of my arch nemesis... reveal yourself Canadian Polish-learning transsexual!
Bump. Share your experience with language learning
I can’t stop learning Scottish Gaelic. I was just messing around at first but I’ve had so much fun learning it. If I admitted I was learning it irl I’d feel like a massive retard, but it’s so enjoyable to progress in. Maybe I can cope and say it’s good for my brain to learn languages because I’ll probably never use it.
>>222603122Wat r u doin 2 lern
>>222597064>>222598341I believe it, the second I wanted to be Jordie's numba one fan. He disappeared. The serb hiding until I leave because I will praise the jordie and the serb can't bother baiting. The serbia also uses mindcontrol to tell I wouldn't let up for years after engaging with the jordie once so he'll probably never come back.Fun reading about jordie's history though.
>>222603122Nobody speaks it unless you go straight into the highlands. It's not taught in schools anymore while french, spanish and german is. I wouldn't bother.
>>222604402I’m watching Jason Bond’s series on YouTube and doing Anki. I handwrite my answers when doing Anki so the spelling sticks in my head. It’s about an hour per day watching a couple videos and then doing review. Nothing crazy.>>222604716I know, but I’m still enjoying it. I’m hoping to use it to better understand songs and when I study history and genealogy, but I know it has little practical use. Nothings useful here other Spanish anyway and I’m not planning to live in France or Germany. I’d get no practical use out of either of those, and I’ve studied German seriously before. Learning languages as an American is an odd situation because it’s hard to justify any of it from a practical standpoint.
>>222604874Fun.Is there anything like extensive reading material? I figure a lot of it is pretty old and separate from how people talk, like in Welsh. Like an old bible translation or something?>>222604716Dude we speak English natively. Every language is pointless to learn outside of moving to a place or intellectual exercise.
I know someone with a leading career in international trade with China who has lived there on and off over a period of decades who is full blooded Han and 3rd gen Chinese America who knows barely any Chinese and just used English their entire career. They told me once in deciding who to promote to a post managing in China, language skill in mandarin is only relevant insofar as it signals willingness to live there for an extended period.The point being, the pecuniary value of learning a language besides English is minimal at best, so pick what you actually enjoy learning and using.
I have personally been an observer on deals where korean, chinese, and ethnically chinese singaporean businessmen work together entirely in english even concerning work to take place entirely in China. When there are no native speakers around, people still use English. People don’t realize how much it’s koine status has advanced in the past 20 years because they don’t grasp that it has become unmoored from the geopolitical dominance of America and has taken on a life of its own.
>>222574779>swahili>s tierClearly it should be SSS.
>>222580704Russian pop-culture is some of the worst out there imo and, unlike german, their dubs are also horrendous. They've got great classical media like books and soviet era films, though this is not something you're realistically gonna touch for the first 2 years or so. The russian internet is quite vast, one of the top 5 largest languages on the internet iirc, though there is some censorship for websites hosted in russia; on 2ch (russian chan), for instance, it's against the rules to critique the russian army and in some cases the state since it's illegal by law. There is tons of translated media that is quite helpful at A2-B1 like manga and foreign literature. Russians are very funny and they're everywhere on the internet, at least here in europe. Getting listening reps is a pain in the ass (at least at my current level) since contemporary russian TV is god awful, there are maybe a handful of good shows (compared to english where there seems to be more entertaining media than you could possibly consume). You won't exactly lack any resources when studying russian but, depending on your standards, you will have to spend a lot of time looking for interesting/entertaining native media.
>>222606776>Russian /int/ is in EnglishKek
Is there a quick and easy way to set up my laptop keyboard to access spanish accented letters? Using numpad is just a hassle, I'd love it if I could just hold down the keys like on the phone for example
>>222604716Give it five years and the SNP will be making it mandatory in school like the Welsh dickheads
>>222607216They won't, it's a dead language and the current moronic teachers trying to teach gaelic or scots barely explain it well when I was there years ago. I don't think they realize how dead scots is because I only spoke English like most in my generation and they gave me Scots words thinking we'll all understand it by default.Btw in my english class with scots. Fucking morons, the lot of them.
The dabbler's curse always hits me around this time of year.
>>222607131unless i'm braindead, can't you set your keyboard to us international to get access to the accent marks with ' ?
>>222607629Thanks, I'll give it a try.
>>222607216>>222607393I hate how politicized these languages are. It creates so much baggage to learning them and gives people a bad taste for them that I think they don’t really deserve.
>>222608400It's because they're never presented as love for the language. It's always people pushing it out of spite because they have an english language inferiority complex
objectively the worst stage of learning a language is the plateau of mediocrity where you're good enough to not get showered in dopamine from making quick gains but you're not good enough to not make wording mistakes that make you look retarded in the eyes of native speakers and other learners with 2-3x your experience
>>222608400>>222608472Not to mention zero fucking relevency or anything actually made in the language. Is there even any real work of art in Gaelic? Sure there is scots poems (which I never understood, we just got explained them because scots is NOT ENGLISH) but obviously I can't fucking read scots.At least other languages has notable works to actually be interested in.
>>222609612>Is there even any real work of art in Gaelic?It has a long history of folk songs and music. That and a long history of poems. Yeah, it’s not something that should be mandatory in school, but I think there’s value to it there and historically. It was a major language in that area of the world for a long time and influenced a lot. But I think this is what happens when you’re forced to learn a language poorly in school. I was forced to sit through Spanish classes for years with shitty teachers, and I just can’t care to learn it.
>>222556057any Korean speakers? how difficult it is to learn? I've read that the alphabet is quite easier compared to Mandarin or Japanese
>>222605669>>222605838Yeah learning languages for work is a meme. My brother works in a role where he's the point of contact with a Japanese client and before he was given that role I don't think he had ever even thought about Japan lol. Boss walked in one day and said "hey you're gonna be the contact for these Japanese people don't worry they speak English pretty well" and that was that.
Not gonna lie sisters, I'm having a hard time finding quality resources for learning Malagasy.That said it's fucking beautiful. Grammatically, in terms of vocab, it's basically Austronesian, like Indonesian, with some admixture from Arabic and native African languages.But it sounds like a super sexy smooth romance language, kind of like Brazilian Portuguese or European french.
