>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>222556057
>>222697595Can we summon jordie, I never got to speak to him directly.Bы тaм?
>>222697885Read the rules.
>>222697005>lipu nanpa luka tu wandid anything come of the toki pona drama? or did it stop with the creator schizoposting and becoming a muslim?
I'd love to learn Finnish but it doesn't seem useful and also seems to be hard to learn.
>>222698235Yeah, definitely on the harder side. What made you interested in it?
remember to do ur anki rebs>>222695747>>222697337postan
>>222698675do the work
>>222698675>>222698698pfft
I can't learn any other than English. I wanted to learn french or italian but they are rather useless languages plus I have a paranoid fear of others. I wouldn't had bothered with english if i had it back then.
>>222699071English was a freebie and most people don't understand how they actually learned it. They just assume it was school and fucking around in multiplayer games o algo.
>>222698698i-i-i did some more anonkun!>>222699050i guess you found good tl media huh?
Lape pona! o sin e toki.
>>222699113That's me. Working on getting better at it but frankly there's no reason for another one, right?
bumpa
>>222699071>>222699113I was actually gonna ask if any Anons here remember learning English and whether they found it hard or easy
>>222698675That's a lot of time per card. Seems like it would be exhausting.Anyway I got back to working through my French deck. Funny how being ridiculously consistent in one language doesn't automatically transfer to another one.
>>222702195Hey Swedaenon, how true is the stereotype of swedish english proficiency, do you know anyone under 40 who can't(italicise) speak english?
should i learn french or japanesei would like french but i wouldnt read anything french, most of my interests are in japanese, so there'd be a lot more stuff to read in japanese
>>222703022It's certainly one of the countries in the world with the highest average proficiency in English as a second language. Which is hardly surprising given how close the languages are related and the extra exposure from not dubbing thing like TV or games. Virtually everyone can speak at least some English (except for the school dropp out types), and people with university degrees are typically quite proficient. Even so just how comfortable the average person is with English is probably exaggerated. >>222703542If you're interested in Japanese media just do Japanese.
>>222673553 (Lithuanian-learning brazilanon from last thread)Any suffix/prefix/word in particular?
Obscure and useless language learners, where you at? Why are you doing it?Scottish Gaelic reporting in. It’s just fun and a nice break from my serious languages.
I am looking to teach myself French. Would it be more advisable to use English or German resouces? To keep things consistent, I'd rather go for one or the other, not a combination.
>>222703542Japanese. Even if you decide to learn French later, it will be easier to make friends with French or Italians, because they are huge Asiaphiles, and even French weebs are the cool ones. Japanese also has a lot of great self-study materials. >>222706952I'm guessing in English, apart from maybe some good materials on French phonology tailored to a German-speaking person if those exist
>>222702195it is/can be.i have some audio cards that are pretty long (and also hard given that im new to the language) and those suck up a lot of time, especially if i have to replay.if i took those ones out though i think the numbers look a bit more normal.
Wie kann mann sagen "usually" auf deutsch?I usually take this street.I usually don't eat that.
>>222702072I started watching cartoons in English when I was like 3 so by the time I started English in school I was already way ahead of the other kids and I just knew everything "by ear" without having to study. Exposure is pretty much all that matters.>>222703542French. You can read manga and watch anime in French too, but eventually you can drop that weeaboo shit and expand your horizons beyond that and enjoy some French literature and cinema.>>222708835üblicherweise / normalerweise
>>222706445Idk I thought about learning Spanish but it seemed kind of obscure and useless
Where does this hate for learning Japanese come from? Is it because it's a popular language?
>>222711862contrarian site
you only really need your native and english. All others are a waste of time
>>222711862I recently realized anime is really gay and annoying and most of it kind of unwatchable. Japan is still pretty cool, but watching thousands of hours of this trash to git gud would probably make me kill myself.
>>222702195nta but i strongly recommend mining over pre-made decks anki is intended as a memory tool not a learning tool. you're supposed to put things you've learned in there so you don't forget them rather than acquiring them directly through anki. out-of-context learning is still very low value. I think premade decks are basically a waste of time.>t. went through a literal 9k pre-made cards in my tl when I first started SRS and was still not able to make sense of actual tl content. 1) a lot of words and grammar points don't convey the meaning in isolation and 2) I was often not able to recognize words that I learned on a vocab card in real content and vice versa
>>222713187i agree with everything you said here.i have a couple different audio decks, some can be considered mining (watch/listen/read content, and make the card).one of them though is doing a bit more of this, however:>acquiring them directly through ankii am working on an audio deck for every chapter of an assimil book. even though i started out thinking i would use my assimil cards to supplement other beginner content, it has ended up being that a lot of the content i consume is just the assimil now.i gave this a shot knowing full well that I wasn't expecting it be super effective, but I do think it has helped me significantly in being able to identify distinct words and sounds in the language, because typically i will repeat back the phrase and need to correctly identify all the words, with the spelling, to consider the card correct. I'm going to keep creating cards in this deck until i finish the book (35 more assimil chapters).
>>222713187>1) a lot of words and grammar points don't convey the meaning in isolation and 2) I was often not able to recognize words that I learned on a vocab card in real content and vice versathe exact same problems exist with 'mined' words but it's not as noticeable as when you front load a frequency deck because you're learning words through comprehensible input at the same time
>>222697595Any recommendations on Finnish paid learning programs? There's one site recommended called talk in finnish, without the spaces, which is 100 USD but lifetime. I'm not sure if it's any good or just shilled by a guy getting affiliate profit. I can easily afford that, I just don't want to overpay.
>>222712596they're cartoonsexaggerated voicing & expression + dramatic easy to comprehend theme and storyline. its for kids and autists
>>222712596japanese adults have the exact same feeling about anime, and they live in the damn country, there is mountains of stuff to read, watch and listen to in japanese that is not anime, you just need to start learning the moonrunes to be doing the searches
>>222712114more language opens more women fermando
I like anime
>>222715957im an incel
>>222715933>japanese adults have the exact same feeling about animeno they don'thttps://www.moba-ken.jp/project/service/20240729.html>10~30代男性の約5割、10~30代女性の約4割が『アニメ』を視聴https://ouc.repo.nii.ac.jp/record/724/files/jgssm10_14_sun.pdf>40代以下の観る比率が6割超https://www.atpress.ne.jp/news/552119>最も高いのは男性30代(71.0%)literally everyone in japan watches anime. the majority of middle-aged people and a significant percentage of elderly. 20s 70.7%, 30s 71.2%, 40s 64.8%, 50s 41.2%.
>>222716419my deepest condolences for lying, domo-sama
Some anime are good and could be enjoyed by adults
In America, cartoons are enjoyed by all ages, from children's cartoons to Family Guy to Steamboat Willy.
>>222713187Sure I agree but it's not like I've got time for that anyway. I'm too busy with Japanese litterature to consider mining French words at any reasonable pace. This is just a little side project for me that I'll get more serious about at some point in the future.
>>222716210doesnt matter still opens other women
learning>HTML>CSS>JavaScript>Python>R'>SQL>German
>>222717150based
>>222717194I am providing value for society AND shareholders!
>>222717150>R'Why?>>222717294There are no tech jobs, the industry is fucked. Come back in 6 years.
I am learning latin
I am learning Spanish and Russian
>>222719334Salve amicus
>>222719379amice, it's accusativeI want to learn French and German after I'm in the intermediate stage of Latin. maybe ancient greek too after that, would be cool
How does learning music theory compare to a language? Does anybody here know music theory? If so how much?Deep down I feel like it would make me happier long term
>>222719419Amice is the vocative but yes it is the correct form, people mix it up because in most declensions the nominative (amicus) matches the vocative. Amicum is the accusative. Declined below.Like so:>Amicus>Amici>Amico>Amicum>Amico>Amice
>>222719491I guess as a language the input equivalent would be the scales and circle of fifths and chords and then also ear training to recognize intervals, and learning licks and all
>>222719505vocative yes, lmfao why did I say accusative, that is what I meantsorry I'm a bit retarded xD
>>222719505I haven't learnt the vocative for nouns, there's already enough shit to memorise in Latin. Thinking about it I suppose salve amicus would be a bit like saying 'hello the friend'.
>>222703542French is better content wise but if your passion is with Japanese, learn Japanese>>222711862Normies resent those learning languages for fun
I'm at chapter 19 of Familia Romana and it's going pretty good, I've been studying Latin for the past three monthsafter I finish Familia Romana I will just read a lot of intermediate works like Orberg's readers, ad alpes etc.I will also do Wheelock's after Familia Romana, but before Roma Aeterna. I think I will start studying German after I finish Roma Aeterna, which will probably be easier due to the much larger amount of good comprehensible input
>>222719672Actually I think it's not that simple. It's probably people who hate weeaboos who learn japanese for the anime and know nothing else of their culture.
FUCK Japanese
>>222719970I'm not him however I do agree that I also hate the japanese.Don't believe me that the japs suck? Why is there a jap anon flag user constantly begging to learn russian?
>>222719598The vocative is really simple. If it's a second declension nominal that ends in -us, you replace it with -e (as in amicus and amice). If it's a noun that ends in -ius, you replace it with -ī instead (Cornēlius, Cornēlī). In every other case, the vocative is the same as the nominative.>t. a different Lithuanian anon who knows some Latin
>>222720221But the function of the vocative is for when addressing others? So if I were to thank you I'd use gratia, the vocative of gratia/gratiae?
>>222720336https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case#LatinI'm not sure if I would compare it to "the friend" in English. The vocative in English should be something like "hey, o friend!", though this is a bit archaic
>>222713187It depends on how good the pre-made deck is. Some are super nice, with full native audio and carefully chosen n+1 example sentences. Some are barely even frequency decks; years ago I used a German deck that had "Syria", "Syrian", "Greece", and "Greek" as part of the 2000 most common words, evidently because the corpus it was based on mainly consisted of news articles from the early 2010s. For pre-made frequency decks I recommend:1. Removing all function words2. Auto-suspend leeches, and lower the leech threshold3. Suspend any word that has loads of different meanings or is otherwise so vague the card is uselessThe first one saves a huge amount of time because these cards are hugely difficult whilst barely teaching you anything in the first place. The second and third ones also save time, and it doesn't matter much that you're suspending these cards since, by virtue of being in a list of the most common words, you're going to learn them anyway. The justification for doing Anki given you'll learn all the words eventually is that Anki doesn't really teach you words in the first place, it's just a very time-efficient way of helping you recognise words in your immersion. I'm learning Chinese with a pre-made HSK vocabulary deck and it's helped me immensely, especially since most graded readers are based on HSK vocabulary
Anyone else learning farsi, I just started
>>222720221>>222720336One thing that’s really trippy is for Jesus the vocative is Iesu because specifically for his name they took an alternative spelling for greek. Don’t stress about the vocative too much, you’ll get it if you read more.
>>222720336You only use the vocative when directly addressing someone. So, if we take the phrase "grātiās agō" (roughly "I do gratitude", i.e. the Latin equivalent of "to thank (someone)", it's a set phrase) you would say "grātiās agō, Cornēlī" to mean "I'm thankful [to you], Cornelius", but you would say "grātiās agō Cornēliō" (with the dative) to mean "I'm thankful to Cornelius". "Thank you" specifically would be "grātiās agō tibi/vōbīs", it would translate more literally as "I'm thankful to you" (pronouns are rarely used in the vocative)(This would be a lot easier to explain in Lithuanian kek. "Kornelijus", "ačiū, Kornelijau", "ačiū Kornelijui", "ačiū tau". The logic is the exact same.)
>>222719308I work as a data anal-ystpython, R, sequel is the name of the gamealso do some frontend things
>>222721271Don't they mainly use Excel and SQL?
>>222721531SQL + R, and some pythonI didl earn excel but dont use it here as much
>>222720336>>222721005I’ve also seen a fair amount of “gratias tibi ago” (you) in the dative, since it’s the indirect object.Vocative invokes. Focus on grammatical function on its own terms over translation. Case is about grammatical role in a clause/sentence. Vocative is direct address. Again read moar and you’ll get it super quick.Basically, if I describe your actions to a 3rd person, i’ll say anonus, because you’re the subject. But if I’m speaking to you and getting your attention, I’ll say anone. (Of course this is all moot if your name is in a declension without a distinct vocative).
>>222719288nonne lingua latina pulchra est? haec lingua utilissima multa verba habet ut describat varios modos moriendi
>>222719334Why would someone do that? We were forced in schoolI retained a lot of words due to scientific namingdolor ex solitudio infinitus sumso many English words are LatinI started learning Hindi as a teenager because of autistic obsession, stopped because homelessness and a long while of suffering. Recently decided to return because I have infinite time and boredom now and have retained all old knowledge despite of being unused for yearsI could need some chronically online NEET to correct my sentences, explain mistakes and word/phrase meaningIn turn I can teach you German if there is any need for that and play video games excessivelyWith 16 I had a basic language book (The Cornelsen one I also learned English from in school), learning "in" school by ignoring their lessions and practising, then listening to a lot of oldschool Bollywood and trying to make sense of it. This is how I do it now too, but the translator is often confused and sometimes gives me the wrong words I look up if I don't know something.Bharatchans and gay apps seem not to be very fruitful, yet allow realistic instances of colloquial speech and insults. We could voicechat if we get along but do not expect my pronounciation to be decent. It was the same with English when I met my slavic ex-BF for both of us it was a written language of the machine and hard to understand when spoken, beside being not used to physically talk to people at all.The duolingo thing does not represent my knowledge, but I better start from 0.
>>222717150Is learning to code still a thing, especially in web dev?>>222716794And there's a lot of crap, but at least it's high-quality crap, and sometimes they explore interesting concepts>>222715854That's how theater has worked, and cinema has, too, throughout its long history. Picking on the tools of expression is a weak argument, especially when we have American “realism” on the other side.>>222712596For me, it's a rock scene and this contrast between the perfected, success-oriented music industry and the search for something less polished, wild, and underground at the same time. Still, I rate anime higher than most American productions>>222719785I know a lot about American culture, such as directors, actors, the stereotypes associated with them, and scandals, and I've absorbed all of this through osmosis by consuming American content. And I regret it. It's not that I don't like English, but I understand where the hate for English comes from. On the other hand, Japanese media know how to explore certain concepts or create their own interpretations of folklore, which is much more interesting (not counting those crappy isekais). The silly ones are fun too.
>>222722231>Why would someone do that? We were forced in schoolFuck you you lucky bastard do you have any idea how rare that is nowadays
>>222723057It is mandatory to choose either that or French in the 6th gradeI wish they had Spanish Russian or even additional EnglishLatin seemed to have no use except for history and the scientific language, but its not used as a spoken one
>>222722339>especially when we have American “realism” on the other side>I know a lot about American culture, such as directors, actors, the stereotypes associated with them, and scandals, and I've absorbed all of this through osmosis by consuming American content.no offense but, no you don't. kpop is not the most popular genre of music in korea, it's primarily intended as an export product and the majority of viewers are from outside korea. Likewise a lot of american media is essentially produced for a foreign audience and is more popular in the rest of the world than it is here. Statistically the majority of viewers of the top hollywood movies and american youtubers and so forth are from outside of america. For some reason people understand this about other countries but think the american content they consume is just standard american culture.E.g:Sabrina Carpenter's Espresso: #1 reached most popular song globally, never reached #1 popularity inside the USTransformers age of extinction: reached #1 popularity globally, #5 inside the USEnimem's Houdini: #1 outside the US, never reached #1 in the USiShowSpeed: was #1 global youtuber, #5 in the USList goes on this is quite common I have never even seen 90% (or heard of) a lot what you think of as american media.When I hear the term 'american culture' my mental image is more something like this (stuff that is basically only viewed by americans, distinctly american in origin and isn't known internationally):https://youtu.be/N-2owLxBKkQ?si=6_lgZoEGrvq7f4xXhttps://youtu.be/-ew_bfFvros?si=xlVtqedWv0LjaUyuhttps://youtu.be/qIZjyf1jhKE?si=VOzPbsQ1Lk--J6Dt
>>222723199>Latin seemed to have no use except for history and the scientific language, but its not used as a spoken oneSpanish’s only use is talking to Spanish people or Latinx. There’s more worthwhile stuff to read in Latin than in Spanish.
>>222723292this is also true for most of the retard political slop content - its almost all more popular proportionally in non-US countries than in the US(higher number = more search interest)
>>222723292100% agree that foreigners are often profoundly ignorant relative to how much they think they know about American culture.>>222723564Yeah even a fair amount of commentators on American politics are foreigners.
I'm learning French with Assimil. I just completed the first week, but I feel like I need more. Is it worth going through one of the grammar books in the OP? Also, what are some suggestions for input?
>>222723606https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/French
Gonna pick up Sandberg's Spanish for Reading. Pimsleur is too slow.
bump
Can I learn to read Latin by Lutemaxxing for 6 months? Time to find out.
>>222723292It's still American culture. “Transformers” boosted viewership in China (which is a bit far from me), and just because something is in fifth place rather than first in the rankings doesn't mean it's some kind of niche. And since we’re on the topic of comparing things to anime, which is what my answer was about, I’d rank watching anime and learning the meaning of a flower or how bosozoku look like higher, and consider it much more educational than some references to crappy celebrities or pathetic talking points.That's why I don't understand why people say that weebs don't know anything about Japanese culture just because they've been immersed in Japanese media. It's not the whole picture, sure, but they have something, at least. I'd rank any weeb higher than someone who watches Rick and Morty or Family Guy or The Invincible. And Taylor Swift fans should be bullied more than weebs ever have been>When I hear the term 'american culture' my mental image is more something like this (stuff that is basically only viewed by americans, distinctly american in origin and isn't known internationally):This part of America is well known, currently in the form of a parody. Which is sad. >especially when we have American “realism” on the other sideWhat I was referring to here was dubbing. In my opinion, anime dubbing has a surprising amount in common with theater acting, where various means of artistic expression are used to convey ideas or emotions. It’s a different philosophy than the American approach, which focuses on sounding “realistically”
>>222724514>Eurēpā
>>222724584Kek, some gay OCR errors. Hardest part of this will be manually copypasting and cleaning up the text from the PDF before I add it to Lute...
