>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>223000479
Learning a language is worthless. We have google translate. Debate me nerds. That japanese isn't ever going to be learned.
>>223118188You wouldn't get it...
>>223118188Personal cultivation
>>223118188Languages are cool in general, especially when you get into etymologies of related languages.If all you care about is utility (hurr everyone speaks English), then you are smoothbrained cattle.
i WILL handwrite ß as ſʒ, and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
>>223118287Whiter than you serb>>223118321/fit/ propaganda>>223118337We should just all speak english anyway. Delete every other language and force us all to speak american.
>>223118188increases chance of finding true love with asian QT
I want to learn italian because they have soul
>>223118188shut up, Mohammed
>>223118478Stop thinking with your dick>>223118478That's a conlang like esperanto.>>223118508Whiter than you
>>223118188honestly the main reason is I can just watch youtube and consume content in asian languages without being bombarded with goyslop. My youtube is entirely korean and japanese, and all I get is gaming and content of that sort, no propaganda or culture war bullshit. Western youtube has been exposed for forcing political and culture war content into everyone's feeds even if they don't watch it. e.g I used to get that retard crying lobster psychologist dude constantly recommended to me even though I clicked 'not interested' 100000 times and never clicked on any of his videos
>>223118188I don't care.
>>223118635Stop being so anti-semetic.
>>223118188What language filtered you?
How much languages can a person with regular job and social life learn to a decent level realistically?
>>223118188We already know its not economically pragmatic, hobbies are meant to be fun, ideally useful too but the latter is not strictly necessary. Why do people play videogames or watch movies? is it because they want to make more money?
>>223120687Depends on the person, the language(s), the job, the social life, the level. Yes, indeed, it depends a lot, doesn't it?
>>223120906thanks bro, you have really helped me
>>223118188Having arms is worthless. We have cranes and other machines that manipulate objects for us. Debate me nerds. That hand isn't ever going to be useful.
>>223118188>when monolinguals share their opinions
>>223120687Maybe you can think of the languages youre interested in learning and sum the total number of hours it would take according to the fsi institute. I remember i told the AI about all the languages id ever be interested in, meaning nothing outside of that would ever capture my interest and it told me the total amount of hours for those languages was 10,000 hours. I thought: ''there is no way im gonna spend 10k hours with languages'' because you also need like 10k hours to become an expert at something. From that point on you can tighten the requirements for you to seriously consider learning something. And then assuming consistent, hour long study sessions, a language with a 2200 hour requirement would take 6 years to learn. Without accounting for upkeep. Assuming you want fluency.
>>223120687>jobThat was your first mistake>social lifeThat was your second and more grave mistake
>>223120906She's so perfect bros
>>223120687Over a lifetime? 2 to fluency and maybe decent reading/listening skills in 3 others. That’s in total. Probably not all at that level at the same time.
>>223121379the FSI estimates are an underestimate. It would take you a lot more than 10k hours to learn all those.
>>223121340You can't make me non-monolingual. Who wants to talk to a frenchie.
>>223118615I follow not my dick but my heart
>>223120687I truly, honestly believe that you can only learn at most 3 or 4 (at most!) languages at a truly high level. Knowing languages is like juggling, the more stuff you have the harder it is to have them all on your hands. Do yourself a favour and choose what actually matters to you, and dabble a little on the more irrelevant stuff.
>>223118431>/fit/ propagandaBrowsing /fit/ and falling for their propaganda lost me 100lbs, got me to 1/2/3/4 lifts, got me a wife, got me varsity athletics, and a doctorate. I’m still deeply socially dysfunctional though so it didn’t cure the autism, which is why I study languages for the literature instead of for conversation. But if it weren’t for /fit/ I would actually be 300lbs living in my parents’ basement gooning all day alone.>ISHYGDDT
>>223123062and then the whole bus stood up and clapped while cheering
>>223123062what'd you do specifically? run? lift weights? eat steak and vegetables? didn't need 4chan incels to do that but good for you.It's probably necessary for some people to work out in order to get their life together, gotta restore d2 receptor density to normal levels in order to do anything else o algo>>223123081>intcel incredulous at the thought of someone doing normal human things, a fantastical fabrication to his fat chud brain
>>223121379the only way to learn multiple languages to a good level in any reasonable time frame is to line them up consecutively for maximum transfer benefits while also immersing 24/7 with hours a day of anki mining on top>t. attempted to learn 3 category 4 languages in 2 years, failed but learned one at least
>>223121549>2 to fluencyso I've already fucked up by learning english... fuck>>223121379>sum the total number of hours it would take according to the fsi institute7-8k hours, so fuck me >>223122454>Do yourself a favour and choose what actually matters to youyeah I know, I'm split between my interests and what would be usefull
>>223123349>yeah i knowThe thing is that i don't think you actually know...
Polish guy PLEASE learn Spanish, the wonders of latam await for you. Your previous experience with Italian will help so much you have no idea, it's almost the same language. There's so many people speaking that shit that any niche you're interested in will have some paraguayan community talking about it or some shit. PLEASE it hurts me seeing you dabble like the Jordanian
>>223123855>Your previous experience with ItalianI didn't say a word about italiano, how do you know that I'm at A2/B1? How did you know that I was thinking about Spanish? Get out of my walls!
>>223123349>so I've already fucked up by learning english... fuckWhen I say 2, I’m not including your native language. If you wanted your 2 foreign language slots for something other than English, then yes. You fucked up.
>>223123349>>223124028Are you familiar with PJM or SJM?
>>223124028>how do you know that I'm at A2/B1? I have encyclopedic knowledge of all the frequent members of this thread since i started lurking here. You're quite memorable. >How did you know that I was thinking about Spanish? If you go read any wikipedia page in Spanish right now you'll see how ridiculously simple it is to read as a romance language knower. Listening is fucked up, the latinx speak to fast and have too many slang to keep up, but it's satisfying to start understanding stuff innit
Any of you guys reading something in your TL? I've been reading "Otra historia de Colombia" to play around a little with Spanish and cheat on my Japanese. I wish they spoke as they write, this shit is too easy.
>>223124220>Are you familiar with PJM or SJM?unfortunately no :(>>223124340>knowledge of all the frequent members of this threadIt is my first time here, I usually posts on /g/ and /vp/. Do all poles here have the same issues? Am I even real?
>>223124340>I have encyclopedic knowledge of all the frequent members of this thread since i started lurking here.How long ago did you start lurking?
>>223123261I was and am super autistic about food (among other things) which is part of why I got so fat so the big thing was just limiting calories and getting enough protein. So a lot of burgers and chicken nuggets and protein shakes lmao.>>223123081Yes they did. Both at the wedding and the graduation party. That’s what family and friends who love you do when you make a major life achievement.
>>223123261Oh right you asked about the fitness side. The core of it was literally just stronglifts 5x5 until I learned the major lifts, then trying to just increase major lifts, increase flexibility, and keep up with a pretty normal lifting program.
>>223124481shiiiit i confused you with another pole from here lol. Yeah basically there's this one guy that likes too many languages and can't choose any.>>223124517I'm actually not super sure, but i'm a bit of a newfag actually, i was being a little bit hiperbolic don't mind me. 2024 maybe? IDK. I remember the petitalian that liked slavic languages and was really annoying, i think that was when i started lurking hereI'll go back to lurking, speaking is too scary
I'm interested in learning PJM.
>>223124638I miss that little fella. And Ilya too.
>>223124638Take it from me, the most popular and coolest /lang/ regular, you are not a newfag. I give you my stamp of approval.
>>223124638>Yeah basically there's this one guy that likes too many languages and can't choose any.Sounds like me 3 years ago, I was juggling between many languages like japanese, greek, turkish, russian, latin. And then I just decided that this is retarded and I'm not progressing anything.So I just stick to Italian for ~1,5 year. I was able to have some decent conversations with natives and pass as solid B1 but now it has declined to A2/B1 due to lack of use.I started learning Mandarin ~ 1y ago and I just passed HSK2 certification test some time ago. My plan was to pass HSK3 and then get back to italian master it to b2 and then go to spanish or french. So I was hoping to master 3 romance languages + Mandarin.But now I have a great opportunity for some free German course financed by my company so I started to wonder If I can even obtain that many languages.
>>223124340>I have encyclopedic knowledge of all the frequent members of this thread since i started lurking here. You're quite memorable.That's interesting. who are the most memorable regulars?
>>223117443>picreltrvke, every culture sucks. mastering a language only further exposes the thorough depravity of mankind
>>223125151SerbJordiePolish JordieCanadian learning PolishPetitalianoIlya Portuguese broBong who knows MandarinSwede learning RussianSome Mexican schizo that pops in sometimes
>tfw you come here every day but you’ll never be a “memorable regular”
>>223125620Forgot the Maldives guy>>223125944USA flags don't stand out too much
>>223125944id rather people dont identify me so they dont ostracize me for being a regard.How can someone capitalize on the advantage of Spanish to learn portuguese? most videos are too basic. They assume you know nothing, when in reality i can understand like 95% of written text, the problem is i cannot understand more than 35% of spoken portuguese with a lot of effort. i do not know the verb conjugations so i cant produce text either and finally i dont understand its grammar. They say 'te dizer' instead of ''decir-te'' i think.But if you want to be identified you should post with a pseudonym or a pattern of pseudonyms, such as historical figures from one part of the world or idk
>>223126142When i started learning Spanish, i enjoyed reading manga that i had already read and wikipedia pages of stuff i liked. I think you should disregard the idea of learning grammar, it's far too similar to make sense to learn it, you should simply read a lot. With time you start understanding stuff naturally. Check out this manga site if you like https://sakuramangas.org/. Now when it comes to listening uhh idk bro just brute force some youtube videos that seem cool. I feel like we speak a little bit slower than you guys do so it's probably a simple matter of getting used to the sound of our beautiful language.
>>223126142>such as historical figures from one part of the world or idkThis is actually a reference to the early american republic and Friedrich Nietzsche, dont bully me for having an iq of 65
>>223126299One of the gratest Portugues poets also did this, and he did it so well that people called some of his pseudonyms "heteronyms", because they were essentially different people with different poetry styles
>gratestGreatest* I'm killing myself
>>223126284well apparently you have structures like personal infinitive, future subjuctive idk what they are but chat gpt told me that. Are you the guy who learned German and French and made a post with the pic of Joan d'arc. I didnt know you had learned Spanish, i thought you were only interested in northwestern European languages. any youtube recs for history, politics, economics or philosophy in portuguese? maybe pop science?
>>223126360 pessoa? im a pseudo intellectual but i think i heard about this in a ted ed video
>>223126390>well apparently you have structures like personal infinitive, future subjuctive idk what they are but chat gpt told me thatNo need to stress too much about it, nothing in our language is truly complicated to a Spanish speaker. Just see the definition of some of these things and read a lot, you'll get the gist of it.>Are you the guy who learned German and French and made a post with the pic of Joan d'arcNo. I'm a nobody, in this thread i'd rather be invisible>any youtube recshttps://www.youtube.com/@AlomorfeNiche linguistics channel, i wish he had more stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/@SemydeusIceberg slop if you'd like, he speaks kinda slow i think but i'm not sure, i don't watch him https://www.youtube.com/@CienciaTodoDiaidk. Science stuff. To tell you the truth, i don't really watch brazillian youtube lol unfortunately i can't give you better recs.
>>223126408yup. His stuff is great (i haven't read him)
>>223126602Already subscribed to your recommendations, but its funny you are making propaganda for people to learn portuguese when you dont like its media enough to read it or to watch it and sorry to be annoying but do you know any channels that talk about literature or poetry in portuguese? im trying to step away from politicslop content idk why i mentioned them, politics and economics are not as patrician as literature.
ah yes the intellectual heavyweights of bostil well least it's better than spanishnothing good ever came out of spain or its mexican branch office
>>223126142>id rather people dont identify me so they dont ostracize me for being a regard.american flag is nice for this reason, never stand out particularly.
>>223126707Portugal? idk dude, there are some great portuguese writers and yes i will be the first to admit your language is more beatiful than Spanish, but Spain has Baltasar Gracian, Miguel de Cervantes, Calderon de la barca, Lope de Vega, Luis de Gongora, Francisco de Quevedo. How can you say Spain aint shit? its better and more extensive than portugal maybe because of its size Yeah Mexico is worthless, granted. But Spanish literature is criminally underrated. Thanks for the recommendations .
I must dabble in either vietnamese or thai, what should I pick
>>223126767i curse that the moors never overran spain
>>223126669> but its funny you are making propaganda for people to learn portuguese when you dont like its media enough to read it or to watch itLol, it's true that i'm not a big fan of Portuguese speaking youtube, but i never said i don't read Portuguese stuff! I'm a big fan of brazillian literature. Search about O Cortiço, Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas (everyone knows this one) and Triste Fim de Policarpo Quaresma to name a few of the more popular ones. The poems of Alvares de Azevedo and Augusto dos Anjos are quite cool too. Our music is pretty decent too, i'm fond of the Portuguese album Fausto and the Brazillian Acabou Chorare. Anything else media wise and we suck >sorry to be annoying but do you know any channels that talk about literature or poetry in portuguese?I only watch stupid shit on Youtube, sorry
>>223126767btw that guy is another brazillian
>>223126783Vietnamese for a manufacturing, thai for lady boys>>223126825oh wait so the guy who responded wasnt you, it was another guy
I already know Spanish and Portuguese. Which european language should I learn as my last to obtain the sexiest women there? French? German? Russian?
>>223126767Now to ask YOU something, do you have any interesting Mexican writers to recommend? I want to improve my fucked up Spanish. I already know of the book Pedro Páramo and i've heard about Ocatvio Paz, but is there anything else cool? Especifically Mexican literature, i already know and plan to read the Siglo de Ouro guys you mentioned
>>223126890>ah yes if i only learn that one more language i will have infinite sex i dont know which is more pathetic the goal or the way of getting to that goal
>>223126890Euskara
>>223115052Thanks for the response earlier. I wasn't able to respond in time. But yeah, I'll probably try to read some manga too. Hard to pick one though.
>>223123855>>223124340>>223124638Real jordanon here. What's up? I confirm, this is an another Pole: >>223123349 >>223120687Please don't view him through the lens of me. I've accepted that I won't reach a high level of proficiency in any language until I'm forced to do so by circumstances such as emigration, a military invasion or a mental breakdown / a clinical depressive episode during which I'll bury myself in escapist mediasBut what's even funnier is that I've gone back to Italian, but I'm still tempted by Spanish (and it's not just because of the World Cup!). There isn't much Italian content that interests me, and I recently got Don Quixote as a gift. But yeah, I believe there is some level of italyboones coded in Polish culture so it's just funny coincidence
>>223126978The deal was that you would learn the language of the WC winner (Spanish). Your suffering is over now and it's time to do the work.
>>223126935Worked for your women desu.
>>223127104macacas would probably fuck a plastic bag
>>223127133And that's a bad thing, why?
>>223127147learn a few more verbs bro youll get there
>>223127156Wow all it takes is learning a few verbs? Why your women are easier than I thought. Nice
>>223126978Aha, good to know! Please stick with Italian then, Spanish will come terribly easy after you get gud at Italian
>>223127198well for one im an american and two you already have all the english verbs and yet you need plane tickets all over the worldwhat an idiot
>>223127219Flying around the world is fun, you dummy. Especially for those who can afford it
>>223126921 dont ask me man, i havent read any of these people and i hate my own culture as much as the other brasilian flag hates his. I can only recommend you youtube channels ive watched1. Juan miguel Zunzunegui (history, talks more about the major events from a biased perspective, not very detailed) https://youtu.be/Wza1QSdNlfk?si=ZUg1pQwJCSCEt-ho2. Academia play, also history, through drawingshttps://youtu.be/9vnL4mUitF0?si=AXFwMAcnJ1gSgskQ3. Pero eso es otra historia (packs a lot of facts into a single video) https://youtu.be/UtTMIPSc7kE?si=yCRcKjfgACa5XR434.Chisme corporativo (two mexican women who talk about businesses and stocks) they made a video about space x's ipo and another one about peter thielhttps://youtu.be/eH-xVwxeQk8?si=pOdXVDhTPwo-JmeQ5. Farid Dieck or Dieck docs (he talks about movies in the first channel, in the second he talks about famous people ranging from entrepreneurs, singers, soccer players)6. Moris dieck talks about personal finance and economics.7. platzi (pop tech)
>>223127240huh really maybe id know a thing or two about that considering im the one with the macaco flag
>>223127265You don't say?
>>223125944there's nothing wrong, nay, i should say, there is no shame in not being memorable or sticking out. it is the merit and heart of why we're here, some would say. if you can post regularly and not stand out enough to be remembered then i personally give you a lollipop
>>223127249>dont ask me man, i havent read any of these people and i hate my own culture as much as the other brasilian flag hates his.Lol i guess we all do a little bit here in latin america. Thanks for the youtube recs though! I'll now lurk for 10 more years, i posted too much today
why cant mexicans come here and open some taco shops i even have to pay a premium for salsa brazilian food sucks it's just dry meat with rice and beansand the service is always shit
>>223127356Just learn the local language retard. I never had bad service when I was there
>>223127377bull fucking shitstop lying
>>223127356cause they're not very smart. They move to America ilegally, which is nonsensical in many ways. 1.their ability to make money through a traditional job gets capped massively, 2.they will have to stress about being caught by ice, never being admissible to America again.3. They cannot access credit easily, to start or expand a business.
I guess in addition to being a PSL, I will also be a PSLSL. (And before any brown third worlders think of "correcting" me, all of your acquired foreign languages are SL. There is no meaningful difference between a second language and a "third" language; "second" is meant to indicate a group of acquired languages just as "first" is in the case of multilingual native speakers.)
>>223127396i bet some chain could set up shop and theyd do pretty well hereill be honest i think ive been too hard on mexicans after seeing these brazilian workers and eating this foodgomennasai
>>223127409psl god with a second language? will you learn Francais?
like i can bitch about mexicans spreading spanish anywhere or getting terrible results in school but i guess i cant really fault em for their work ethic
>>223127456I am learning PJM and SJM (Polish Sign Language).
>>223127466Why dont you start a chain of restaurants of comida brasileira all over latin america
>>223127485nãoi will create a fish taco chain and then hire a bunch of mexicans who were deported by ice
there should be a free open-access website where people can upload stories in their native language and they're sorted based on zipfian frequencye.g 98% of words/particles under 2500, 2750, 3000, etcwould be much better than most graded readers
Shit happened and now I must learn German as fast as I can.Man, I feel like pic rel. I could've mastered German by now.Alas, I will do it regardless.So, I am no longer "Jordie"!
>>223127046But the World Cup isn't over yet. I mean, it's been Spanish vs Spanish vs English for two days now, but still. And I don't think I confirmed the deal>>223127206I mean, it's not like I was studying that hard. I've surprisingly forgotten a lot very quickly, so I just took my time gathering material to study and learned little by little AGAIN. Unfortunately, I lack structure, and there isn’t that much content to consume. I'm learning German at the same time, so I'm really taking it slow.The list looks like this:1. English,2. German or another Germanic language if I move there,3. One of the four most popular Romance languages. I’ve put French on hold until the elections, and Portuguese until I plan a trip to the Lusophone world, so that leaves Italian and Spanish,4. An Asian language, most likely Japanese or Chinese,5. Another Romance language or Russian.It would be great to reach C1 in at least one of them. I think C1 in two of them is the maximum I can achieve ever
where's that britanon who'd been begging to get a glimpse at the unicorn now that he's here
>>223127605Wake up, it's a curse, just pick one language and pick one resource and grind it. Make your own Anki cards and ignore every guru (Refold, Kaufmann, any "polyglot"). Pick just one good course that teaches you speaking, writing, listening, and reading and just do it like a robot.
My earphones are crapping out again and I can't listen to TL podcasts at work anymore. Then I go home to sleep immediately after and wake up to an alarm the next day. How can I master TL in such conditions?
>>223127616what unicorn?>>223127605What do you think of classical languages like Latin or ancient Greek
I am a PSL and a SSL (Spanish second language). I wonder if I should learn French
Classical languages represently exactly what Doestoevsky described in a gentle creature, its a struggle with no social compensation. Nietzsche criticized people for learning languages to gain peoples attention and respect, but have you thought about the fact that there may be many people who learn Latin, ancient Greek or Classical Japanese and perhaps many people think they are monolinguals bc they cant speak to anyone in those languages. Maybe you have met one of these people and you dont know.
>>223127675look at the flag below the post that you (you)'d me
>>223127735Looks like I can't erase the reputation I've built here. Thankfully, I can learn German elsewhere.
Ikenna and Xiaomanyc are unironically what nietzsche warned us about
>>223127587>>223127622sup>>223127675They're cool. I took Latin in high school, and it was more boring than I expected, even though I was initially really hyped up to take the class.But now that I'm old and bitter, classical languages aren't exactly a social hobby, and if I were to spend hours in the basement grinding with no contact with people and little chance of using the language in social situations, I'd choose Japanese instead or devote myself to some kind of craft or art.
>>223127778
>>223127866>i took latin >in high school>it was boringNo shit
>>223127790Nietzsche was just like me. He said he was a Pole "in his instincts".
>>223128024>I am a Polish nobleman pure sang, in whom there is not the slightest admixture of bad blood, least of all German.Dude really said this and then he became a nazi icon through the forgeries of his sister to his books.
I am taking a break from Père Goriot, got halfway through and my god am I exhausted by 2-3 page long paragraphs.I started reading tintin
>>223128133My DNA test updated recently just to add that I actually had Polish blood all along. Explain that.
What accent is my Spanish closest to?https://voca.ro/16g42buaces7
>>223128782Totally useless answer but you sound like a Hispanic person trying to learn Spanish
>>223128837Is that good or bad? Also I’m not hispanic lol
>>223128853I guess it's good
japanese is cool because half the words are just english words in a racist accent
>>223129167At least it's not all ching chong THOUGH
>>223129167>japanese is cool because half the words are just Chinese words in a racist accentFixed for accuracy
>>223127587Viel Glück.Knowing that you've dabbled in german before, what CEFR level do you think you're starting back at?
thinking in your TL as production practice is overpowered and underrated
im going to start reading thru the Der untergang des abendlandes in german. Maybe ill finish it this time.
>>223131643
> hic, haec, hoc – dieser Lehrer hat ’nen Stock,>is, ea, id – was will er denn damit?>sum, fui, esse – er haut dir in die Fresse,>ille, illa, illud – dass dir die Nase blut’!Do Germans really?https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Merkspr%C3%BCchen#Sprachen
