Why can't they put their difference aside and just become a single country, or at least a federation, kinda like the EU or USA?They speak the same language, have the same culture, descend from the same people, eat the same food. It doesn't make any sense
>>223431616You could extend that to all of Latrinxia
>>223431616I do not consent
>>223431642its called Israeloamericaits a WIP
>>223431642Why are there so many latinx states like they're all just a hodgepodge of different native people african slaves a mestizo general populace and a catholic spanish speaking castizo ruling class.I dont mean this as an insult its just suprising that these random administrative divisions developed into countries despite sort of having the exact same identity at the time of indendpendence
>>223431616I wouldnt be against it, but without Paraguay. Nothing against them really, but they're different.
>>223431642I would be STRONGLY against that though
>>223431818You're oversimplifying things, not all natives and mestizos had the same stance when it came to the creation of latam, it's like saying why Europe didn't just unite if you're just a bunch of white people with a more or less same identity.For example Mapuches aren't the same as Incas, in fact they fought each other, they resisted until Chile got its independence, and eventually assimilated, but they weren't expansionists and mostly wanted to keep their ancestral land "Mapu". So, despite mixing the mindset still remained by not welcoming the huinca.I assume the same happened in other places, were different mixes of different mindsets from natives, africans and europeans led to not really see each other as the same thing like you said.
>>223431818Latin America ended up fragmented into multiple countries because the regional elites refused to give up their power while no state was strong enough to bring the others under its control. Later the US and Brazil also opposed the creation of larger regional states for obvious reasons
>>223431616Mercosur is basically a one to one exact replica of the founding of the EU. That’s why Trump is grooming Milei so hard. They’re shutting that shit down in its cradle
>>223432497There was no such thing as a "white identity" in europe.But again thats not what i was saying the mapuche and inca werent the ones in charge of these newly founded countriesThe only ones with political relevance were the castizo ruling class along with mestizos who again all abscribed to and identified as castizos and mestizos and had a seperate identity outside of the established tribes that the natives did.
>>223431616paraguay is a lil different
>>223431642Why didn't they just stay as the 4 vice royalties?
>>223432731No, it isn't. Mercosul is just an economic bloc with a few agreements that let people travel visa free between member countries. That's it. I don't see why we'd want to unite more closely with Hispanic countries. We'd be better off taking a more assertive approach to foreign policy, and I think that's the direction we'll move in
>>223432753Neither ever was a "mestizo" or "latino" identity, the latino denomination was created by Americans way after the countries were created to just lump everyone south of them together.The game of power of the ruling class you're pointing out exists everywhere, but there's no way you force things to the point you lead the general population to an outcome they don't want.Neither the ruling class, nor the general population of each newly funded country wanted a "united latin America"
>>223431723Israelinx people really are ambitious.
>>223431818>despite sort of having the exact same identity at the time of indendpendenceI guess you're being hyperbolic but that simply isn't. Just as an example: Andres Bello, a Venezuelan scholar was so ruffled with the Chilean accent that he convinced our government to change the way we spoke by law (it failed).But as they already answered you, the reason why the different subdivisions weren't unified under bigger states was because no one was willing to give up power. Ironically, the Spanish liberals that revolted against Napoleon were the most willing to make consessions to keep the Spanish Empire from disappearing.
>>223433104simply isn' true*
>>223432844This would have been the best alternative for them. It didn't happen because Spanish colonialism was too decentralized and local elites were too powerful. Also the independent governments lacked legitimacy, so it was harder to convince all regions to subject to a bunch of guys who happened to seize the capital city. In Brazil it was the old structure and old ruler just separating themselves from Portugal and the provinces were already used to constant interference of the colonial Brazilian government
>>223431642>Brapzilians trying to pretend they're not Latinx again
>>223433431*taps sign* >>223349214
>>223431663Sorry bro, you are going to unite with us... by force and together we will rule the latinx multiverse continent
>>223432402Me too
>>223431616We (chile) have nothing in common with them
>>223432497>it's like saying why Europe didn't just unite if you're just a bunch of white people with a more or less same identity.Lel except for the fact we're totally different, speak different languages, have different timezones, different cultures, different everything, and in some cases spent the last 1000 years antagonizing each othersAre you really saying that Uruguay and Chile are less different between each other than Italy and Estonia?
>>223435757We could have the same conversation after the Roman Empire fell, after all, all of you share the same Roman/Germanic culture, why split?Of course we share many things with neighboring countries like Peru, Bolivia and Argentina, that doesn't mean I consider them the same as Chileans, like explained in my other post, not every country received the same immigrants nor mixed with the same natives or africans to have the same mindset.
Every latinx country has the same ethnogenesis
>>223431642https://youtu.be/JYBmXHVNezA
>>223436259Me in the middle
>>223431616>>223431616I would never mix my white blood with primitive races. Furthermore, borders were originally determined by ethnic considerations. Bolivians and Paraguayans, being more indigenous, were overlooked. The Chileans were, too. Uruguay was created as a buffer state to prevent wars between us and Brazil.
>>223436361Are you a defender of independence for Buenos Aires then?
>>223436413No, i am from Cordoba
>>223436361>borders were originally determined by ethnic considerations. Bolivians and Paraguayans, being more indigenous, were overlooked.Now you are rewriting history. Argentina was meant to be the republican version of the Viceroyalty of Rio de la Plata, hence its name being Latin for "Platine" Republic, but it failed because Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia wanted nothing to do with you
>>223436188>all of you share the same Roman/Germanic culture, why split?Because that split happened 1500 years agoMeanwhile you people were literally the same political entity 4 generations ago, still speak the same language, same religion, and are very similar to each otherI realize it must be weird as a latam to have a European or a American constantly asking "durr you're all the same, why don't you unite o algo", but at the same time it's kinda comic how the counter argument for this topic from most latams is "noo, you see, Argentinians drinks mate in the morning while we drink it in the evening, also we slightly had more European immigrants from one place and they had more from another, so as you see we're TOTALLY different countries"
>>223436429>bruh moment
>>223436494>Meanwhile you people were literally the same political entity 4 generations agoThat's what I've trying to explain, we weren't. Chile was isolated, was a chokepoint not a colony per se, thus we remained isolated, other viceroyalties didn't have contact with each other either, that's why people developed different accents and depending how what slaves or immigrants they got developed different cultures, by the point everyone got its independence saw each other as different.Maybe for an outsider it all looks the same, just as the many wars many countries had between small regions, and small kingdoms before they united, to defend themselves against a greater enemy. That didn't happen in latam, our enemy always was ourselves, and there weren't gruesome wars to justify a union.
>>223431723>Pax Judaica Based
>>223431818The countries roughly align with the older states that were founded in the liberation of the Indigenous Peoples
>>223432753Why did the germanics take until the 1860s to unite and why are they separate today? What a retarded comment
>>223436770I guess the reason why it seems weird from a European perspective is that the drive behind the unification of our countries was either religion (if it happened in the past, like Spain) or language (in more modern times, like Germany or Italy) all mixed with a substrate of common shared culture of course.So it's weird for us to see an entire ocntinent where everyone speak the same language, have the same culture, same religion, shared history, but all seprataed into independent states.But again I'm seeing this through a European perspective. For example, I'm not considering the fact that South America is incredibly HUGE compared to Europe and that the distances we're talking are a whole differente level over there, and on top of that the population density is way lower. People talk about unifying and putting together countries like we're in a Paradox game, not considering that between a city and another there might be 50 days of walking distance through a desert, several swamps and a mountain range of 7000mts.
>>223436917not him but>have the same culture, same religion, shared historyspanish viceroyalties barely had economic with each other as most forms of inter-commerce were banned by the spanish crown
>>223437041economic ties*
>>223431616The answer is bc manolos built a diferent administration structure behind every future latam country that was just easy to keep. Imagine like the 13 american colonies were separated each other by thousands of kilometers.
>>223436917Yeah, what for what the old continent meant a reason to unite, for us was the starting point, I totally agree that we have more things in common that differences but that has never stopped anyone from hating each other.The closer we were to be united was in the cold war, when commies saw America as the common enemy, but America acted fast and launched operation condor and cucked us, from there only commies preach about union, but nobody else cares.
>>223431616They should all become British
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