Uyghur New Latin Alphabet Edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishold: >>223455813
CHALLENGE>EasyMy classes start at nine every morning.He is preparing a presentation for tomorrow's meeting.She missed the deadline because she was sick.>MediumAs soon as the results were announced, everyone began comparing their scores.He would have finished the essay sooner if his computer hadn't crashed twice.The more negative feedback I received, the harder it became to stay motivated.HardNot only did the project fall behind schedule, but the budget had also been quietly reduced without anyone being informed.Whoever is assigned to lead the next phase will need to have already resolved the disputes between the two departments.It wasn't the anki itself that exhausted him, so much as the constant uncertainty about whether any of it would even matter in the end.
どうしよう?今天我不要学。je ne veux pas faire quelque chose aujourd’hui. Fortasse Pimsleur ambulando agam, omnia solvitur res ambulando.
Are there two UK flags learning russian or only one?
>>223556047Meine Klassen fangen jeden Morgen um neun Uhr an.Er bereitet eine Präsentation für die Besprechung am Morgen vor.Sie hat den Abgabetermin verpasst, weil sie krank war.Sobald das Ergebnis bekanntgegeben war, hat jeder angefangen, seine Auswertungen zu vergleichen.Er hätte den Aufsatz beendet, wenn sein Computer nicht zweimal abgestürzt wäre.Je mehr negatives Feedback ich bekomme, desto schwerer wird es, motiviert zu bleiben.Nicht nur ist das Projekt hinter dem Zeitplan zurückgeblieben, sondern das Budget wurde auch heimlich reduziert, ohne jemanden zu informieren.Wer auch immer die nächste Phase leiten wird, wird die Streitigkeiten zwischen den beiden Abteilungen bereits gelöst haben müssen.Nicht so sehr Anki selbst hat ihn erschöpft, sondern vielmehr die ständige Ungewissheit, ob überhaupt etwas davon letztendlich selbst von Bedeutung sein würde oder nicht.
Is Japanese grammar really harder than German grammar? I feel like they would at least be on the same level.
>>223557413Japanese grammar is mechanically quite simple and regular, all the explanations are just awful and very few clear simple charts and explanations exist. Even something like Tae Kim and Sakubi are really way too wordy. It’s agglutinative and borderline conlang-tier in how regular it is, so in theory output should be easy, but it’s not. It’s fun to study you just have to really take basically all explanations with a grain of salt from textbooks and focus on how japanese people in your input use it. For example Tae Kim is a lauded textbook but the author just doesn’t explain the が particle properly IIRC.
German done (Pimsleur, anki, Nicos Weg). Recently I did lessons right before bed, but I prefer to do it during the day with a fresher mind. I'm also suffering from not being able to speedrun German. Once I finish Nicos Weg and Pimsleur, I'll focus on anime and movies in German, plus maybe I'll add some Anki Mining.I'm feeling lazy with French today. The language is so cool and France has this kind of 2000s vibe, but the pronunciation is so tiring. >>223556168Pimsleur is only a half-hour lesson. You can do something else with that time. Anki doesn't take much time either. >>223557413Same
>>223557868Yeah I really want to give it another try, it's been years since I last studied it, but I don't have strong enough reasons to dedicate time to learning it. Especially when I could be dedicating that time to languages that are more relevant in my life.But I'm constantly tempted by Japanese because it's very fucking interesting.
>>223557922Non possum ankigoon ambulando ago pathice.
>>223558362Fuck, agere. Stultus sum. More of a typo than anything really.
>>223558362Ankigvn
>>223558362Why with ago? Ankigoon is already an action
>>223559250Oh haha right duh I just subbed ankigoon for “anki” in my brain so I wrote like “do anki” like a numbskull
Is anki actually any good or is it something white women use to feel as tho they are making progress?
>>223559943>women>ankiLmao. Anki gives women the ick.
>>223559943>something white women use to feel as tho they are making progressNo, the "white girl studying a foreign language starter pack" is: writing in a notebook with cute pens of different colors, highlighting words in a textbook, travelling and talking to online tutors on zoom.
>>223559943Anki's interface gives women the ick
>>223560537>>223560251Okay but is it useful and if so what for? Vocab and conjugations I hope
>>223560251>>223560895Oh lol I didn't see you posted the exact same thing
>>223560901I actually think it’s better in inflected languages for memorizing inflections than it is for vocab. I made cloze deletion cards of latin declensions and they stuck in my memory really well.
>>223560901Short answer: Yes, it's good for memorizing vocab.Long answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrBFhsnBQ2k
>>223557413The cliche is that Japanese grammar is easy to learn and impossible to master. You will never truly understand when to use が vs は.
>>223560997It’s just alien so it is impossible to consistently translate and people circlejerk over how that makes it impossible to learn.
>>223560933>inflected languagesDo you enjoy languages with heavy inflections? The more I look into latin, I actually find it quite logical albeit maybe a little unneeded. Same with arabic transfixes. I might just be a bit spergy, I even like gendered language somehow
>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason
>Irish is a growing language>All the speakers are either nutjob "IRA" socialists spastics or yummy mummies in Gaeltachts who look down upon the Irish who cant speak it You can't win. (Ignore flag I'm irish)
>>223555982>Uyghur New Latin Alphabetreally? i just learned uyghur arabic. i don't like romanisation.
>>223559943anki is popular because it allows people to trick themselves by gamifying "remembering" and thinking that adding some numbers to a stat of known words is actually useful learning. you are better off wihtout the anki app, you just need a list of desired words to learn and choose a number to learn per day and then make a spaced repetition calendar for that list. you need to write them down in pen or pencil. anki is about increasing the number of known words, getting a high score, where as you should be decreasing the amount of words still to learn.
>>223562327yeah I'm totally tricking myself into remembering words and vocab with anki. I'm such a trickster. I wonder what I do now that I've remembered all these words
>>223562327>>223562508>>223560933I've given it a go and I actually can see the use in it. I thought it was going to be a generic flashcard thing but the decks some people have made are actually pretty fucking insane.I also see why white women would not use this at all, the UI is whatever the opposite of gel pens in a notepad are
>>223562146The best part of learning Uyghur is that Uyghurs online never use any official writing scheme and just use this fucked up system based off Pinyinق is kڭ غ are both gە ا are aEtcUygurlar ozlirnig tiligiz quxanmiyduTry write that in Arabic lmao
HOW DO I /SPY/MAXX?I need to become a Western spy. What languages do I need?
>>223563461A spy for the west or spying on the west? The latter, English, French and German as they have the biggest militaries, industry and economies. The former, Mandarin, Russian and Arabic.
>>223563461hebrew, russian, mandarin
Opinions about this? 223544631
>>223563741Retarded ranking. French as the most interesting and useful romance language, the Portuguese as its uniquely difficult for pronunciation (unless its Brazilian). Rest do not matter, Japanese ranking is entirely up to you and whether you have an autistic interest in the country or not I guess
I need more ideas on what you guys want to see on your ideal language learning app or platform. I've added a lot of things I myself want to see. Let me know brehs
>>223563811>Portuguese as its uniquely difficult for pronunciation (unless its Brazilian).There is a chance that he took into account my being Polish, which makes things easier with Portuguese pronunciation
>>223563365>uyghurs>onlineWhere?
>>223563936Hot women
>>223563953On the Chinese internet These are a few of my uyghur friendsI wrote their names in Arabic for them
>>223556323I'm one, there might be a second one but I don't know.>>223563741I think learning several languages at once is a losing game however spanish and portuguese is stupid unless you are actually planning to go to south america. You're probably gonna mix them up while you learn it not to mention that brazilian and native portuguese is different aswell.I'll drop the portuguese and continue french, german, japanese and spanish (I have no idea what you are learning currently.)
>>223563936A section dedicated to idioms/expressions. Grammar sections that aren't just conjugation exposes but tell in detail what the tense is for, when it's used, if it's "niche", literary etc.
>>223563938Yeah portuguese is oddly slavic sounding, confused the fuck out of me when I first heard it in person.
>>223564070Are they really oppressed? Or is the oppression akin to how black people are "oppressed" in USA?
>>223564103Learning German no matter what, even if I fed up with it and I have the second slot for something non germanic to dabble>>223564144when I first heard Portuguese I thought I was having a stroke
>>223563625>>223563635I mean a Western spy, spying on Thirdies and other non-EU evil people
>>223563936Maybe translation practice like elon.io but without the SRS algorithm making it repetitive. I liked doing the exercises as a challenge, but the repetition slowly killed it for me. I wanted to make my own version and I managed to scrape the lesson data but I never got around to making the interface for it.
>>223564211It's weird, maybe they are like native Americans in the US. They are materially well off but their culture religion and language are all going extinct because of government assimilationist policyMost people either don't care, think it's a good thing, or have given up trying to preserve anything. Intellectuals and elites all migrate to Urumqi or the big Chinese cities and the people left behind in the cities and countryside completely lack any sort of awareness, they don't think about things like Uyghur identity and language. The actual nationalists are all dead or in exile/hiding.If government policy doesn't change then the language will be functionally extinct in 30 years, most people already aren't religious they just don't eat pork or drink alcohol Also Han Chinese in the interior are usually super racist to them
>>223564116noted, I like that. I'll implement it>>223564361I took a look at the website and found it really confusing. I can't even find the practice exercises you mentioned. what does the practice involve?
>>223563461HOW DO I SPYMAXXSHOULD I LEARN RUSSIAN PERSIAN ARABIC OR CHINESE?
>>223564211nta but from what I've read, it's a lot of surveillance with things like block stations and app tracking and such. If you care about that you'll probably not like it.>>223564601 is also right. Han bulls are constantly migrating into the region and are now slowly pushing uyghurs (and kazak and you get the idea) out from being the majority in their own region. This has led to violence and lynchings on both sides especially in the late 2000's. There's also a company that basically is a state within a state in Xinjiang, forget the name but theyre big.The Party does a lot of surface level DEI for them but they also have a very sanitized vision of uyghur culture. It's honestly fairly bleak and the more you learn about it the bleaker it gets in some ways
>>223564694You select a language, click on a lesson and it gives you words or sentences in English to translate to TL. It's pretty engaging and gets progressively harder, but if you get something wrong, the algorithm gives you the same thing over and over in spaced out intervals (in a minute, in 10 minutes, the next day etc. like Anki), which gets boring quite quickly. Also, they put the dark theme as a premium feature which is a very evil "dark pattern" in my opinion.
>>223564601I have met someone from xinjiang she really hates the uyghursI think islam should be limited so if the chinese government is only assimilating the uyghurs through cultural programs then thats ok to me, as long as there is no violence or discrimination
>>223564887oh okay, I actually already have an exercise module with this exact thing, although slightly different. I'll make sure that there is either massive variation or some sort of goal system to make it fun. and that's demonic that they put a dark mode behind a paywall
>>223564751I went to Xinjiang for 2 weeks last year and the security is not as bad as before but still it feels like a warzone. There are armoured cars on every intersection and police patrolling the streets with shotguns at night. In Kashgar I saw ten policemen practice assaulting the main mosque one night.Every mosque is permanently closed other than the few open for tourism. Mazars (Islamic tombs) are usually open but there will be CCTV inside to check if people are praying. Han are the majority in Hami Urumqi Korla and Ili but they are unwilling to migrate to the southern region which is 95% Uyghur. So the government sets up Han ethnic townships and farms there to promote migration.>>223564893There has been a lot of violence in the past, and the camps, but information on those is unreliable. But now all the nationalists and religious extremists are either dead or in exile the assimilation can proceed relatively peacefully. There is discrimination against people who are openly religious. Uyghur society was never particularly religious or Islamic, it was only in the 90s with the global Islamic revival that some people started being influenced by Wahhabism and Afghan Islam. For example before the 90s no Uyghur women ever wore the niqab. But desu China doesn't care about Islam they care about suppressing Uyghur nationalism and ethnic identity
>>223563365>Uygurlar ozlirnig tiligiz quxanmiydu>Try write that in Arabic lmaoIsn't the whole point of Uyghur in the Arabic script is that it's an alphabet and not an abjad? I think you could write that in Arabic pretty easily
>>223565091No the issue is that the Uyghur chat alphabet used online fails to distinguish many sounds that are separate letters in the Uyghur Arabic alphabet I.e. ö and o are both o
>>223561881>enjoyI study Latin. I can’t really say whether I do or don’t enjoy inflected languages because I study Latin specifically. It delays output a lot for my anglo brain but it’s useful. It’s not “unnecessary” because it replaces a lot of our own language’s word-order rules.
>>223565046I think the situation there is compilcated, i hope it gets better, do you have any sources to learn more about life in xinjiang?
>>223565138Are these separate letters separate sounds too?
>>223563741French has more and better literature than Spanish, both have way more internationally significant literature than Portuguese. Portuguese only beats Italian through population but Italian also has better literature. Latin mogs all of them because it has the best literature.
>>223565164Most info on the internet is propaganda, and people don't like talking with cameras in their face, so anything you see from youtubers of their vlogs in Xinjiang is usually not the whole truthI can only suggest you talk to Uyghur/Han people who live there >>223565182Yes like ڭ sounds like English ng and غ like gh and گ like g but in the chat alphabet they are all written as gSo تاغ tagh (mountain) and تاڭ tang (dawn) become both tag
>>223565046Wow that's actually worse than what I'd imagined. I thought it had cleared up from the worse era a few years back.I have to wonder if the peaceful assimilation will stay peaceful forever. The intellectual and academic logic of anything opposing it has been certainly stamped out (going back decades, one notable detail I remember being China framing it after 2001 as part of the GWOT), but I suspect that any sudden shaking of the Chinese state could invite a resurgence of some kind...Is it true that they still identify by oasis? Or is that now outdated?
>>223565153>It’s not “unnecessary” because it replaces a lot of our own language’s word-order rules.Yeah I see that now, it's quite a cool way of doing things. I study French myself, so not completely ignorant of inflexions but I'd never seen it with nouns before looking at Latin, interesting stuff.
Latin->French->Spanish->Italian->PortugeuseStudy them in that order. Learn Latin grammar as thoroughly as possible, inputgoon the rest, study grammar gist-level.
>>223565313Everyone just wants to use the latin script these days... le sigh... That's real diversity but no one gives a fuck
>>223565350>learn 4 languages simultaneouslythe book forgot to mention that it will only take 4x the amount of time it would normally take to do so
For any native or C2 speakers of French, how do you actually find it when you hear Italian or Spanish? I've heard it's actually quite difficult to understand them when they speak
>>223564560Dogshit arabic dubs will translate it as حسنا حسنا حسنا unironicallyArabic dubs are so fucking garbage
>>223565335I think there is little chance of Uyghur nationalism coming back because ordinary people have zero awareness or consciousness of these issues, as Uyghur intellectualism has been completely killed off. There are no Uyghur writers, thinkers, public figures, academics who are not completely loyal to and propped up by the party. In Urumqi I tried to buy Uyghur books but all they had in the main Xinhua bookstore were translations of other languages' books into Uyghur, basically no books by actual Uyghur authorsyes most people identify with one of the major oasis towns, for example even though Yarkent is in Kashgar prefecture, people from Yarkent don't think they are Kashgaris. also common is this new identity of "新疆人" Xinjiang person which includes all groups, and some young people identify with the towns their parents migrated to (i.e. urumqi and qaramay) not their ancestral oasispicrel military armoured car in the main square in Yarkent
>>223565875I think you're right, sadly. Mankurts all the way down, in a sense. But central asia as a whole has had resurgences in national identity in specific circumstances, it's a question of if the apparatus of the state can ever shift enough to inadvertently cultivate the grounds of a new collective consciousness. I think not, at least on the default track we've seen so far. But on the other hand we also have a strong(ish) yet small diaspora that is actively attempting such a thing. I don't think they're strong enough yet to do anything, but grounds can change with the years.Thanks for answering my question, too. Always nice to have these conversations
>>223566130it has to happen soon, because Uyghur gen alpha is totally cooked, none of them can read or write Uyghur and most of them can only speak "house language", with some being completely unable to speak itthey love tiktok brainrot too, in a camel farm in Kucha I heard a 3 year old child saying tung tung tung sahur to her mothersome teenagers I met in Kashgar also told me they didn't really believe in Islam, it wasn't important to them, and then told me that they admired Hitler because he killed many jews. so make of that what you will...picrel guys celebrating a wedding in Kashgar
>>223565444True lmao. It’s just a useful reference.
What has been peoples experience in learning languages whilst tipsy/drunk? I find I've spoken better, and can recall more vocab, but inevitably my written grammar takes a dive
>>223566331>it wasn't important to them, and then told me that they admired Hitler because he killed many jews. so make of that what you will...I believe that, I'm actually pretty sure I read it in a specific book a few years back too...it was Rudelson's Oasis identities I think, let me grab the quote: > The most surprising legend associates the Uyghurs with Nazi Germany and Adolf Hitler.>Admiration for Hitler's power and charisma is prevalent throughout all levels of Uyghur society-peasant, merchant, and intellectual. Uyghur intellectuals will often praise a Uyghur cultural hero as a "second Adolf Hitler" (ikkinchi Getlär).. a considerable number of Eastern European movies about Hitler are shown on television and in theaters. Although these films attempt to show the greatness of commu- nism in the struggle against German fascism, most Uyghurs watching the films actually side with the fascists. Uyghurs are impressed by the great power and discipline that the Nazis represent.>The Uyghur peasantry has absorbed the Nazi salute into its cultural repertoire. Uyghurs sometimes greet people dressed in military uni- forms, such as police and soldiers, with a smiling "Heil Hitler" and the Nazi salute. Foreigners are also called to in this manner.2 William Shirer's book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, translated into Uyghur in 1988 and 1989, was a best seller in the region (see figure 3.1). Even though Shirer's book is not complimentary toward the Nazis, it feeds the Uyghur peasants' dreams of power against China. In addition, popular myths actually link the Uyghurs to Hitler: Uyghurs believe that since they claim descent from the Huns and Hitler likewise related the Germans to the Huns, the Germans are also related to the Uyghurs. Several Uyghur intel- lectuals told me the story in which two Soviet Uyghur prisoners of war are brought before Hitler, who yells: "Why are you shooting at us? We are your own blood."Talk about chuddy!
>>223566472Alcohol worsens my sleep a bit, and sleep is essential for learning
>>223566671What a crazy tale, have you read the book yourself, seems really interesting
>>223566331But to continue on that, despite the citation I don't think it's a complete picture of the society (I ran out of room but the next paragraph frames it in a nationalist and less so antisemitic lens which would go against what you said)I think it's a bigger issue of the suppression of uyghur heros. Once you lose any heros of old you turn to anything else that is reminiscent of power. In that case, well, Hitler. Also modern brainrot and /pol/isms probably contribute to it more directly in a sense. But I think it's more emblematic of a sort of cultural bankruptcy forced upon them as you've already noticed>>223566793Not the whole book, but I remembered that part in particular lol. I really ought to finish it though, good read.
>>223566671lmao it sounds like how in Thailand people think the nazi swastika is a sign of powerreally in China people do not have the same level of revulsion towards nazism and hitler as there is in the west, Han people make hitler jokes a lot and they are accepted as moderately edgy mainstream. Although I didn't get any seig heilsit also reminds me of how in Uyghur the only way to refer to black people is نېگەر nëger (from Russian), an Uyghur friend working in Shenzhen where there are lots of black people once took his family round for a trip and had to tell them in advance not to say nëger when they saw a black personpic unrelated some graffiti from the local kids in Yarkent. They are all Uyghur but only write in Chinese, even the graffiti from young couples writing their names on old walls or trees is in Chinese or Latin alphabet
>>223565599Whats the alternative? حسنا sounds alright
>>223565224Maybe. I'm mainly interested in old fantasy, adventure, travel and picaresque novels and comics, and schizo-fiction anyways >>223563811>Rest do not matterThe rest, meaning everything except French, or French and Portuguese? Because I'm not sure it can be understood in two ways, or do I have gaps in my English skills?
>>223556047>EasyMano pamokas pradėti pas devynių rytų Jis yra parengi pristatymas už rytojJi praleido riba nes ji buvo sergas.>MediumTuoj kaip rezultatą buvo pranešta, kiekvieną žmogu pradėjo panašūs jų rezultatai taškų Jis būtų pabėgo rašynis tuoj jei jo kompiuteris sudaužyčiau dvigubaiPer daug neigiamas rezultatai aš gauti, sunkiai tai tapo palaukti turi motivacija.>HardNe tik projekto atsitikti rutina, bet biudžetas taip pat buvo tyliai redukuotas ne kažką informuoti.Be to yra priskirti į vadovauti kitas fazė bus reikia turi jau tvirtas ginčas tarp abu skyriaus.Nebuvo savo anki kad išsekęs jam, per daug kaip nuolatinis nežinoma apie jei bet kuris būtų net buvo svarbu galo.This was absolutely dog shit. How do I stop writing like a troglodyte?
>>223566963Yeah it's seen differently in a way I'd suspect.And from all these pictures and anecdotes I honestly must say the situation is more grim than I thought, I really thought there'd be more house dynamics of keeping the language within the households, but if even that is fading away...
>>223566963>in China people do not have the same level of revulsion towards nazism and hitler as there is in the west, Han people make hitler jokes a lot and they are accepted as moderately edgy mainstream. Although I didn't get any seig heilsI'm pretty sure this is the case basically everywhere outside of the west. I remember kids(including me) in school carving swastikas into desks, sometimes you would have them drawing swastikas on the blackboard or doing hitler salutes. I knew a guy who read Mein Kampf too.
>>223566931I think the kid was maybe influenced by anti-Israel sentiment. They seem to be quite aware of thatWhat you said reminds me of a place in Turpan. There used to be two big cities there populated by Buddhist Uyghurs and Tocharians called Yar and Qocho, then they were invaded and destroyed by the Mongols in the 1200s. Later they were sacked again by a Muslim Khoja from the west, who was buried in a Mazar (Xizar Xoja mazar) in Yemushi village 也木什 (idk the uyghur name). In the 1900s when western archaeologists asked the locals about the ruins, they said they were built by the Chinese or by Christians, but in fact it was their own ancestors. And they venerated the mazar of the khoja.Now, the mazar is in disrepair, and the government has put up barbed wire fences to stop people from going in and praying. The ancient city is a tourist site and well preserved.>>223567105some kids I talked to in Turpan spoke Chinese to each other despite all being Uyghur. But others in Kashgar spoke Uyghur to one another. The spoken language will probably survive in households for another 20-30 years, but no kids are learning to read or write in Uyghur now.I spoke to a taxi driver in Kucha who was very proud that despite his parents not speaking a word of Chinese, his 7 year old daughter was fluent in Chinese and spoke it better than Uyghur
>>223567354Fascinating. And yeah anti-israel sentiment definitely contributes to the modern synthesis, alongside social media.And when all of the real government positions, all of the real private industry and real decisions of power are made in Chinese, you go where the power is, especially if you want your kids to have a better life. I bet even the uyghurs in state administration desks talk to each other in Chinese by this point, let alone when talking to their bosses...
>>223565350"its mostly the same except for when its not"i just summarized the book
>>223567514this is a big change in Xinjiang society too, because in the past as recently as 2009 there were entire companies and businesses that operated just in Uyghur, ran TV adverts in Uyghur, sponsored Uyghur language TV shows, even had websites and apps in Uyghur. Now it is all gone apart from some slop soap operas on youku, Chinese language is where all the culture is, where all the money is, etc...recently I saw some posts on Xiaohongshu with signs from toilets in Xinjiang saying "please only speak our national language in public areas" lol. it's strange that in only a year the situation has got notably worse with the new ethnic unity law, many signs in Uyghur are being taken down and replaced with Chinese only. I would like to go back some day, maybe I will get a chance next yearI think the last places that the culture and language will hold out are the towns in the far southern desert near Hotan oasis, I have heard stories from there of kids deliberately writing the answers on exams in Uyghur instead of Chinese, which gets their teachers in trouble. Sadly last time I didn't go further south than Yarkent
>>223567845I honestly wonder if Kazakhstan is going to end up being where the culture goes, given the current road of thingsAnd Chen xiaojiang is spearheading a complete han assimilation program, given he's a literal Han at the head of Xinjiang government. It's a blatant show of cards by the party to show that the new cadre are more and more Han. Xi is trying too hard to fight the 3 evil forces, even for his own vision
>>223567782Yeah learning all 4 at once sounds like fucking hell. Italian and Spanish would be doable, but fuck me man, putting french in the mix fucks it all up for you.
Sometimes I think about learning calligraphy to make my journaling more cool.
>>223568986Get a fountain pen and you're practically forced to write well.
>>223563741>>223563811>French as the most interesting and useful romance languageno, I would know because I speak french. The language (and country) has no future, north and western africans are taking over. First of all, real french you'll hear in the street sounds retarded. The have the nafri equivalent of ebonics on steroids with arabic shit thrown in, they fucking reverse words to they sounds absurd: arabe -> beurre -> robbeu -> ???. On the Swiss club fire you have white boys screaming "wallah ça brule". The french academy is impotent and introduces cringe words for tech shit. Quebec sounds dumb too desu.Unless you love french film history, music, 19th century lit, or medieval - 20th century history, you'll find nothing. All french media is corporate, you see what happened with ishowspeed and mr beast has been a thing for over 15 years with canal+ and other tv shit taking over growing youtube creators.Spanish and Brazilian have critical mass speakers that allow a non americanized cultural output.>>223565224I guess if you don't care about the future then yes French and Italian are better but I find it depressive to learn a dying language.>>223567075>schizo-fiction anywaysenglish is best for that, unless you count magical realism for which spanish is good. adventure and travel you'll find a lot of spanish exploration logs like Cabeza de Vaca's, but again English mogs. Learning a language solely for literature is not worth it
>>223569443>Unless you love french film history, music, 19th century lit, or medieval - 20th century history,Thats why I like it. I agree to an extent with your view of modern france though. I've been many times, though in my experience I've really enjoyed their bar, food and night culture - among those who are in their 30s though. Your gen z are absolute nigger tier, mass deport all arabs asap.Again though, as a language, French literature is the best in the world imo, I've never had so much joy reading the average "shit" author from the 18th century. They were all strikingly talented.
>>223565459with context it can be really easy, but if they hit at lot of words with different root you won't understand shit
>>223567075>The rest, meaning everything except French, or French and Portuguese?Rest is everything but french and portuguese, though I was putting more emphasis on french. Portuguese is again though, still really interesting in how it is spoken
>>223564887>dark theme is premium>download Dark Reader extensionheh nothin perssonel kid
>>223569427Already bought one and I still write like a 5th grader lol
>>223569709Post your writing. Do a couple sentences both in English and Portuguese (assuming that is your native language)
>>223569605>Your gen z are absolute nigger tier, mass deport all arabs asap.never gonna happen sadly. And unlick the anglo/luso/hispanosphere they can't integrate the invaders
>>223569782>unlickunlike
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>>223569893Try cursive man, write at an angle, not just straight up
>>223567782Truthnuke>>223568208I own the book and it’s neat and all but the only way you could use it for all four at once is if you ran through it quickly as like an input primer and then read something that is the same work translated tightly into all four languages, like the gospels/new testament, and of course you wouldn’t come out of it with much output ability.So I think, since I already have a fair amount of French under my belt and good Latin literacy, I might do that eventually for the meme so I can have some basic reading grasp in the remaining 3. >>223569443I learn a dead language. I’m just here for Hugo and Racine dude. Don’t be so pessimistic.
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>>223556047>Easy僕の授業は毎朝9時に始まる彼は明日のミーティングのようにプレゼンテーション設けてる彼女は病気から締め切りを失った>Medium合格点を告げるとすぐに皆成績を比べ始まった二回コンピューターがクラッシュされなければ、彼はエッセイをもっと早くに書き上がったもう負の反応を受けて、モチベーションのままでいるのはもう難しくとなって>Hard 計画はスケジュールが後れていたしかない、しかしも誰かを知らせずと予算は音もなく削ってしまった次のフィスを率いりの責任に決められた誰でもは二つの局の間の対立既に散らし上がって必要があるのだAnki自体は彼尽くさせたじゃなくて、(ここから知らん)もう結局意味があるかどうかの無終の不確実性がある
>>223556047Forgive me as I'm not particularly good at chinese>EasyChinchin boing boing ching chong chinny chin chin. Chong bong nong mong.>MediumMonging chong ching CHONG ching CHONG. Bing bong ching chong. Tin tang boink woink cha cha ching chong thong.I couldn't do the hard one as my pots and pans got too damaged throwing them down the stairs multiple times over. I copied the sounds onto here to share. I don't know the hieroglyphs for the sounds so I transliterated them.Did I do good?
>>223570435livakivi??
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>>223570084Massive improvement dude
>>223570656Holy shit, I can throw foreign chickens down the stairs too? Do I grab them by the legs and spin them like nunchunks until they are launched onto the stairs bouncing and singing in pain like the noises in that picture? How many do I need to speak Japanese?
>>223570656Sometimes I think about learning Mandarin Chinese or Thai, but it doesn't have much use for me
I'm learning French to read their literature. Being able to speak to French "people" is just an unintended side effect.
I’m so glad the word ‚armenische‘ exists in German and I didn’t just make it up. Otherwise I would have confused the heck out of the old people I was talking to.
>>223565224Italians don't read and mostly listen to Latin music. I love the language, but my broken heart won't let me go back to it just yet. >>223569443>>223569605That's sad... I'm gonna rethink it and ask my French speaking friend about it because I know from experience that francophones are terrible doomers unfortunately, and they often exaggerate in one direction or the other. But it seemed to me that there were still a lot of non-ghetto French people Well, I don't learn languages for the sake of literature, but it's still nice to be able to consume something interesting from different perception. I also thought that the Academy was doing well in the humanities, but also in technology. >>223570042>I learn a dead language. I’m just here for Hugo and Racine dude. Don’t be so pessimisticMy motivation is completely different. I care about interacting with real people. With that attitude, I would probably studied and master Latin a long time ago (and maybe French for Napoleonic period solely)>>223569636Ok, so I understood it correctly. I feel quite confident in my passive language skills, but sometimes I'm not sure. I need to output more in English though. Thanks>>223559898It's nice that I caught that after all these years, because I'm wasn't sure, I haven't touched Latin in 10+ years
>>223571588>But it seemed to me that there were still a lot of non-ghetto French peopleThere is, they are just not in the cities. You are fortunate to be polish, I have only ever been with polish girls (polish family) thus I've been all over poland. Walking around Krakow, Olstyn, Gdansk, Warsawa, all at 4am, was absolutely blissfull. Yes, I can do the same in my cities in England, but I would not feel calm and I would pray I dont have any valuables on me.
spoiler: English, French, German, Latin, [another romance language], [something with a different script/culture that takes a long time]
>>223572381Alexander /ourguy/s dropping yet another gemerald>>223571588Pursue polyliteracy
>>223572381Can you spoil some of his reasoning?
Why does the Michel Thomas Russian teacher force laughter so often
>>223572381No thanks
>want to learn Spanish because it's the most practical second language to know in the US>can't stand listening to any of the music or watching any films in Spanish>absolutely love listening to music in German, but what the fuck is the point in learning German when most of them speak English anywayThis sucks
>>223573252Which city are you in?
>>223573252/ourguy/ ranked German as #2 behind French, and ahead of Latin, while Spanish is tied with Portuguese and Italian for 5th.
>>223556047Meine Klassen beginnen jeden Morgen um 9 Uhr Er bereitet gerade eine Präsentation für das morgige Treffen vorSie hat die Frist aus gesundheitlichen Gründen verpasst. Sobald die Testergebnisse bekanntgeben wurden, haben alle damit angefangen, deren Noten miteinander zu vergleichener hätte den Aufsatz viel früher fertig schreiben können, wäre sein Computer nicht zweimal abgestürztJe mehr negative Rückmeldung ich bekommen habe, desto schwieriger ist es geworden, motiviert zu bleibenDas Projekt war alles andere als fristgerecht und noch dazu wurde der Etat kurzerhand gekürzt ohne dass irgend jemand drüber in Kenntnis gesetzt wurde. Wer auch immer der Typ ist der mit der Führung der nächsten Phase beantragt wird, wird schon die Streitigkeiten zwischen den zwei Abteilungen haben beilegen müssen. Es war nicht der Anki an sich, der ihn so erschöpft hat, sondern die ständige Ungewissheit ob das von jeglicher Bedeutung überhaupt war.
>>223572476>>223573695Can someone explain why he's /ourgay/?
>>223573849he's the only polyglot with a youtube channel that is unequivocally not a grifter
>>223564601Government had no interest to assimilate them 20 years ago. But they found that the situation was losing control so they accelerated the speed of assimilation. And most of Uyghurs have no problem to be secular. They are obsessed with alcohol anyway. The conflicts in some specific places were severe like Urumqi. It’s hard to be not racist as Han Chinese in Xinjiang when you have experienced so much after 2009. And I must say they are also racist to us. It’s fair.
>>223575022is it completely obvious to a han or to a uighur that the other person is or isn't in their ethnic group just by looking at them?what gives it away, is it mostly appearance or can one person actually "pass" as another ethnic group easily?
>>223556047>Easy我的课每早上九点都开始他在做推介会为了明天的会议因为她病了所以没按时完成工作
>>223575474uyghurs resemble other central asian groups more because they're turkic, also even if it wasn't for appearance you could still tell going off of accent/dialect in no world can you mistake picrel for a han chinese
>>223575474It's pretty obvious just from looking, sometimes there are Uyghurs from Turpan who can pass as Han but most Uyghurs have a very strong accent in Chinese that gives them away. When I was in Xinjiang most people thought I was Uyghur, not a foreigner.>>223575498You don't need the 都 in the first sentence Don't overuse 为了, if two verbs are put together then they are implied to be correlated, i.e. 我煮面吃 you don't need to say 我煮面为了吃. Time comes before verb. Idk where you got 推介会 from but "presentation" is usually 报告 or ppt. A better translation would be>他(在)准备报告明天开会来讲Subject comes before grammar words. 病 by itself is not a verb, you need to say 生病 or 得病. Second part of the sentence is correct but you didn't translate "missed the deadline" (错过截止日期). Better translation:>她因为生病(所以)错过了截止日期/没按时交作业>>223575022我想你应该是北疆的,北疆维族确实很爱酗酒,但南疆的比较遵守禁酒规矩,比如我在莎车找半天都好不容易找到了唯一卖啤酒的便利店。其实北疆南疆维族有很多不同,主要是因为南疆汉族非常少,反而北疆维族才是少数的
>>223575588checked. yeah, thats what i was thinking (i saw that same pic and thought that they must all look different from Han people).all the people in the UK's flag posts looked clearly not Han to me but i haven't seen enough uighurs to identify them by looking.>>223575633>but most Uyghurs have a very strong accent in Chinese that gives them away. interedasting, is it just a regional accent from xinjiang or also includes a lot of different vocabulary too?>When I was in Xinjiang most people thought I was Uyghur, not a foreigneralso interdasting.
>>223556047Kennslustundir mínir byrja alla morgna kl. 9:00.Hann undirbýr kynningu fyrir fundinn á morgun. Hún missti af skilafresti, af því að hún var veik.
>>223575633>Subject comes before grammar words. 病 by itself is not a verb, you need to say 生病 or 得病.Fuck I actually typed in 生病 and then was like "wait a second I can just do 病了". Oh well.
>>223575633Yeah, that’s because northern Xinjiang is more developed. Uyghurs who are terrorists mainly come from southern xinjiang. Some places there were super isolated and poor 10 years ago. That’s why southern Uyghurs got driven from Urumqi by Chen. Most of Uyghurs were moved to north by Qing Dynasty after Dzungar genocide.
>>223575718Technically 病了 is licit but it's far more common to say 生病. People would understand what you said but it's a bit unusual, like saying "taken ill" instead of "fallen ill" in English >>223575668It's mostly them not being able to pronounce Chinese properly lol. The special words in Xinjiang Chinese like 勺子 to mean idiot come from Han people. There are some words like 巴朗子 that come from Uyghur but people don't use them much>>223575895不少数北疆的维族是南疆的知识分子、商家、学者等等,由于南疆穷加上北疆有公务员岗位和石油企业,移民到北疆,然后受汉族文化影响。导致南疆更落后,没有自己的知识分子主张良好的文化和回教,只剩下极端分子。可是维族知识分子都在北疆和内地就业了,过好日子,不肯回南疆。
>>223575474It’s obvious to tell who are not Han but I can’t tell other groups. People there are mixed somehow. Some Kazakhs are pale. Others have more Asian features. Uzbeks , Uyghurs ….. look same to me.
>>223576000Can’t blame these educated Uyghurs. We Han Chinese also prefer to leave that place to the coastline for convenience. But some people in other provinces are attracted by policies and move to Xinjiang. Xinjiang people actually live in easy mode for people from Henan. The life is less stressful in general.
>>223562327I've thought of vibecoding together an SRS, with inspiration from anki and lute, that would look for i+1 sentences for a certain word but I never really got around to it. As an example let's say you encounter the sentence say for instance you encounter the sentence "Mнe пpишлocь yкpacть eдy, пocкoлькy я был бeдeн." (I had to steal food since I was poor) and you want to learn the word "yкpacть" (to steal), then when you add the word to the software it will make a flashcard with, say, the sentence (fetched from another source) "Кoгдa мнe нe yдaлocь yкpacть Кaмeнь из Гpингoттca, oн был paзoчapoвaн." (when I failed to steal the stone from gringotts he got disappointed) where you know every word except for yкpacть. Once you've "passed" that card it would fetch another i+1 sentence with that word and then repeat this whole process until the word is "mature". This would emulate the reading process you get when you're just spam reading BUT you could learn low-frequency vocabulary without having to read several books just to see the word a few times. IIRC serbanon did something similar with lute for his swedish studies
>>223576106Yes I met many people from Shandong and Henan in Hami Urumqi and Yili who strongly preferred Xinjiang to 商丘 or 菏泽 lol, 河南高考熬不过去好多小孩转校来北疆山东除胶东半岛之外也不太好,最近看那个单县杀人案都感觉山东西部都不如河南呢
>>223576279There is word for that area 黄泛区. Basically worst Chinese group you can meet.
>>223576279>>223576341Are there any modern remnants (local vocab or otherwise) of Tocharian around Xinjiang? That basin that it's situated on used to be the hotspot for its variants
Brudis, is:>Jetzt mein‘ Sühn‘ ich fahr‘,Too awkard for a sung German poem written in the style of 19th-century soldier songs? The basic meaning of the line I am trying to convey in English is:>(From) now, I am doing penance/ leading a life of penance,
>>223576546no, only some of the place names and the Chinese word for "honey" 蜜 mí (originally myit, from Tocharian mit, compare English "mead", Slavic "Med'u" etc)
I don’t know if I’ve made this up or not, but what does /lang/-gang think of the idea of being a ‘grammarglot’? i.e. intensely studying and memorising grammars of as many languages as possible but not making any effort to be fluent or even conversational by learning vocabulary; pronunciation optional.
>>223576659Ah rip, that's pretty sick of a cognate though>蜜孩kek
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I've been feeling insecure about my accent recently, so I want to get yours guys's take on it and if there's something I can do to improve.This recording was just me speaking off the cuff and trying to come up with something to say. https://litter.catbox.moe/qdr5rb8j86dq8l6n.mp3
>>223572480French because it is a language culturally close to the Anglosphere and quite influential and easy to learn. German because it is a distant cousin of English (or perhaps a sister language) with a lot of learning materials, content, and a large number of users. Latin because it is the language that is the foundation of our civilization. Spanish or another Romance language because it's easy. A wild card with a different script to broaden your horizons
>>223579122Yeah dude you have a voice for radio, no comments on enunciation/dictation - Monster's been on the top of my backlog, I need to make more time so I can actually sit down and read itt. SLP
>>223576671all this glot talk is giving me a bloodglot somewhere in my body>>223556047>Easyclasses meae hora nona mane incipiuntconventui praesentationem cras paratterminum praetermisit quia aegrotavit>Mediumcum primum eventus nuntiaverunt, quique notas suas comparare inceperanttractatum celeriorem confecisset si computatrum suum bis corruissetquo plura responsa negativa accipiebam eo difficilius fiebat incitatum manere
i forgot the 'non' after suum on the 2nd medium one, sorry
>>223580122It's okay, I forgive you
>>223580122good /lang/manship
Deutsche Brudis, bitte korrigiertet meine Lied. Morgen Marschieren Wir (Hymne)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUUu7jgLRo0Morgen verehren wirAn der Kirch’ mit der Mess’ in ihr. |:Durch ein wenig Schnee,Zu der Kirch’ ich geh’ :||: Und werd’ glücklich sein! :|Morgen verehren wirAn der Kirch’ mit der Mess’ in ihr. |: Doch viel’ heiß’ Strahl’n scheinen,Werd‘ ich nimmer weinen :||: Und wird lauwarm sein. :|Leut‘, geht nach Gottes Haus‘,Denn die Glocke hat die Zeit geschlagen aus;|: Geht und fallt ihr niederUnd seht nochmals wieder :||: Ihr korrekter Lauf! :|Wollt ihr nicht ruh‘los sein?Ei, so kein Glaub’ rettet nur allein|: Esst das heilig’ BüffetDen Leib Christi ohne Weh :||: Und Sein’n Blut, einst Wein! :|Jesus, ich liebe dich,Mein’ Sünden aber gefall‘n dich nicht;|: Jetzt mein‘ Sühn‘ ich fahr‘, (not sure about this line ^)Dann wird's werden wahr,:||: Daß wir sind (/ werden) ein Paar! :|Daß mein Weg ist (sehr) klar!
>>223580589meines Lied*.
>>223580589It’s meant to follow 19th-century German poetry conventions
>>223579714Alright, thank you for the compliment. It's been couple years since I read Monster. It's good, Urasawa's expressions and characters always look good, the way it builds tension with paneling before revealing new information is cool and how some of the some of the story's events are ambiguous/vague are what I remember most about it.
I'm putting French on hold. I'm starting to get confused by the pronunciation. German isn't difficult to pronounce, but sometimes I have to be careful not to read or pronounce many words the Polish way; sometimes the pronunciation is the same as in Polish, but I overthink things when I don't need to.And when I have to deal with the French pronunciation on top of that, I get completely lost.Today I’m taking it easy, and I’ll spend quite a bit of time considering Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese. However, a pronunciation that’s predictable and easy for a Pole is crucial for me if I want to learn another language besides German.>>223580080hora nona is around 3 p.m. The hora nona is around 6 am, then secunda, tertia and so on for 12 hours until around 6 pm. So 9 am is hora tertia (the moment of Jesus' crucifixion btw). Also it should be lectiones instead of classes I think. English is probably the only language that uses the word "classes" in this context>>223579122You mog me hard ;_;
>>223572381>>223572480>>223579318>muh civilizationally important languages>ctrl+f>"greek">0 results in the entire threadμαλάκας
>>223556047>ῥᾴδιαἀρχομένης τῆς τετάρτης καθ' ἡμέραν ἐν διδασκάλων εἰμίδιήγησιν παρασκευάζει αὔριον προσάξων τῷ συλλόγῳἅτε νοσοῦσα διέμαρτεν τοῦ τακτοῦ τέρματος>μέσατὰς ἄρτι κεκηρυγμένας κρίσεις ἦρξεν ἕκαστος ἀντιτιθέναι ἀλλήλοιςεἰ μὴ δὶς ἀπεῖπεν τἀρίθμητρον θᾶττον καθήνυσ' ἄν γράφων τὸν λόγονὅσῳ κατεγιγνωσκόμην, τοσούτῳ ἠθύμουν>χαλεπάοὐ μόνον παρὰ τὸν ταχθὲν χρόνον προυχώρησεν τὸ χρῆμα ἀλλὰ καὶ τἀπιτήδεια κρύβδ' ἀνήλωτο οὐδενὸς πεπυσμένουτὸν ταχθέντ' ἡγεῖσθαι τἀσόμενα δεήσει τὰ νείκη πεπαυκέναι κατ' ἀμφοτέρω τὼ μέρει
>>223583349*The hora prima is around 6 am, then secunda [...]>>223583784It would be in the 6th category as a different script language. But I don't understand why a different script is such a big deal. That's a piece of cake compared to other aspects of language learning, especially if it's just a slightly more funky alphabet. I think he simply had to choose between Latin and Greek as his recommended third language. But overall, it’s clear that the focus is on the past, literature, and cultural significance, and while French will obviously be the most important for English speakers, it’s a bit surprising to see Spanish in fifth place instead of Greek.He also said something about expanding cultural horizons with each new language, if I remember correctly, which I completely disagree with.
>>223584399Greek alphabet barely qualifies as a different script for anyone who grazed STEM. Sort of like Latin for medfags. I didn't watch the video so I can't judge, I'm just here to blow my top for the lack of Greek. Thanks
>>223573957>that is unequivocally not a grifterNot joining your Hustler's University, Alex
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>>223569709Fellow pen-pal We stand above these keyboard nerds like men stand above insects
>>223585268I'll rather kill myself than try to write russian cursive again.
>>223585394https://litter.catbox.moe/ozaoudnpypyypox8.pdf
>>223585394Obligatory pic somewhat related
>>223582026Sick!! I really enjoy the murder mystery type stories, and I've seen some of the panels and art done for the manga - now I really need to make some time for it...
>>223585815>UuuuuuuuuuuuNice language you got there.
>>223586197шишмишI always add an extra line under ш so it's more readable.
>>223586256Is this typeface realistic looking to your eyes? "Шишмиш јe лeтo изнaд нaшe кyћe."
>>223586531Yeah, looks realistic enough but it would better if it was more connected. The т on лeтo looks like a ш to me because it's missing a line on top.
>>223586842I like learning from typefaces that have a 'poor-handwriting' aesthetic
>>223585184I figured the purpose of that is more to hang out with the old man lol. He’s da goat.
>>223586939Looks like the writing of an autistic ten year old Japanese child Chinese people always write with connected strokes so it will look more like scribble than scratch
>>223575694Are you a foreigner in Iceland?
>>223588620It's endearing to me because it reminds me exactly of my Taiwanese professor's whiteboard handwriting.
Daily German and French done. I'm probably dropping French but I'm still on the fence (cool idom btw).My priority for a second language, aside from German, is access to a vibrant, grassroots culture with the vibe of the ’90s and 2000s, with a DIY scene, zines, independent music, self-publishing, and creators who can still make a name for themselves without big corporations or with only a little help and quite a lot of creative freedom, with strong local scenes, less American-style censorship (even if it isn’t officialy institutionalized), different taboos and cultural codes.I thought about it for a while and came up with Japanese, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Turkish, Chinese, and Finnish. Since I’m already busy with German, I’ll limit myself to Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese. I wish I could have included Italian on the list, but I don’t think it fits the criteria I’ve set for myself.Any thoughts?>All french media is corporate, you see what happened with ishowspeed and mr beast has been a thing for over 15 years with canal+ and other tv shit taking over growing youtube creators.A friend of mine confirmed this, and she has contact with a living French because she works for a French company, has an aunt in France and overall is up-to-date with what happening in France. I'm a little concerned about what Alexander Arguelles said, that people regret not knowing French at all or not knowing it at a higher level later in life. A few online content creators have said the same thing. On the other hand, many people do know the language but don't do anything with it afterward, they don't even mention it very often.
>>223589946You really need to stop worrying about how practical it is so much. It’s kind of ridiculous considering you already know English. Is it really a problem that you can’t watch as many kick streamers in french?
Quite the jump from reading L’étranger to reading 1984 (Or as you retards fucking say: Mille Neuf Cent Quatre Vingt Quatorze) - In fact why, is it never Dix-Neuf Cent… Maybe it was just my teacher who did that. Anyways, yeah L’étranger isn’t the most difficult read for me, in fact I was actually getting used to the passé simple in literature but Camus only uses composé so far. Only have to look up a few words per page but 1984 is much more difficult vocabulary wise so far
>>223590764I'm not worried about practicality. I'm learning German, and that makes things easier for me because, after I'm done with my daily learning, I can play around with other languages and switch between them without feeling guilty. So I'm more interested in what to try out and what will be more fun for me. I'd also like to get more involved in some niche movement, find hidden gems and larp a little. But I guess you're right, I am overthinking it a littleJapanese, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish. Which one would you recommend against?
Has anyone ever tried doing like high school maths exams in their TL or reading physics textbooks
>>223592158Well since you’re ESLFL just pick a lang in /ourguy/s’s list.
>>223592288I’ve read some of gauss in Latin and what I know of systematic philosophy I know almost exclusively from Latin. Luckily academic Latin is actually really quite easy, whereas academic register English feels very difficult.
>>223573957>only polyglot with a youtube channel that is unequivocally not a grifterLink?
>>223592776All of my options are included in this list.>Englishdone. I could work on my output, which is exactly what I'm doing by spamming here>FrenchI was already learning this today, and I just gave up. I can't manage it along with German because of the pronunciation>GermanI'm learning this>LatinI studied it in school. I remember a little bit, but I'm not interested in dead languages right now>Spanish or Italian or PortugueseThe problem is that I have to choose one of these>different culture / scriptSo Japanese or Chinese?I'll drink a beer and come up with something but I'm still open to suggestions
>>223576173I've been working on something similar in concept for a couple years but also groups sentences by patterns and grammar concepts rather than just words. The end goal is to produce one megadeck that covers everything important in the language whilst never showing the same sentence twice
>>223593266For Romance, just name works in the prospective TL and pick the one where the total wordcount of the works you want to read off the top of your head is the largest. I had the same dilemma between French/Spanish and I only finally got committed to French because I took one look at my bookshelf and realized it was basically the whole classic French literary corpus, plus a bunch of extra modern stuff, vs. don quixote. If I do a second Romance language I’m more likely to do Spanish than Italian, because where I live is majority latinx, but I’m still liable to end up doing Italian anyways simply because I want to read Boccaccio in the original really badly.For Japanese and Chinese, because you really will spend an immense amount of time with the language, REALLY consider three things 1. How you learn it 2. Whether you like how it sounds 3. Goal texts/mediaFor me, Chinese only wins on one of those 3, which is that learning to read is extremely straightforward but somewhat slow. Japanese sounds more pleasant to me, and there’s way more media I’m interested in, while there’s near zero Chinese media for me (classical chinese can be read from a base of either of the two).
>>223556323I am about to be a second. Something beyond my control is pulling me towards it. Hate ziggers though.
I hate how some people demoralize others by saying that they've been learning Spanish or something for 20 years and still struggleit's just not possible unless you've been 'learning' Spanish for 15 minutes every three or sixteen days
>>223594914Can you help me?
>>223572381my list is:>English (already there)>Latin (learning it right now)>German>French>Italian>Ancient Greekin this order probably
>>223595001with what?
>>223594155I'm not a book nerd, and I read in Polish and English mainly for practice. Translations don't bother me, especially from Romance languages. Maybe for historical and ideological books it would be worth to feel the context more. When it comes to cinema, I have a large spread among different nations with a small predominance of Italian maybe. My biggest problem is that I can't let go of something and I feel like the worlds I like are stagnant.
>>223595075How do I improve my writing? >>223567078I am studying the colloquial language and teach yourself but I don't think it's getting transfered to my writing skills.I would be greatful with any kind of help
>>223594914Yes it’s incredibly obnoxious. Might as well replace it with “I am too retarded or lazy to learn Spanish.”>>223595219Okay then why bother?
>>223595278Idk, I was bored and want to be more productive. I can learn foreign languages while doing other things. I guess that's also my way of dealing with a midlife crisis.
>>223569427>you're practically forced to write wellNah, you just carry on writing the same but it looks worse lmao
>>223595221what textbook are you studying from and how long have you been learning Lithuanian?I wouldn't bother with these translation exercises as translation is a careful art people do when they're really really good and have had some formal classes on translationI think you just need to study Lithuanian much more, for example, the first line:>Mano pamokas pradėti pas devynių rytų should be>Mano pamokos prasideda devinta ryte.pradėti is the infinitive, you wouldn't use that here in English either>pas is incorrect, you would use the instrumental case here denoting the timeLithuanian works generally a bit differently than English and many other languages in that it avoids pronouns, because they are often unnecessary, except for emphasis, e. g. žaidžiame (we are playing) and mes žaidžiame, it means that same thing, but I suppose you would add mes (we) for emphasis or poetic reasons etc.participles are common tooin short, you just need to study more
>>223595219I don't understand why people come here telling people that you shouldn't learn other languages
>>223592288Yes for both. Its not that bad.
>>223595360If practicing your language is a roundabout way to get you to read all power to you.This french CI book is kino so far. The next reading is a summary of genesis, a summary of some hugo, a discussion of socrates, etc.
>>223595960>what textbook are you studying from and how long have you been learning Lithuanian?I have been studying Lithuanian seriously for about a year. Asides from kids books and young adult fiction literature I have several textbooks. My main textbooks now are Colloquial Lithuanian, Complete lithuanian, beginners Lithuanian and "Nė dienos be lietuvių kalbos"
Fuck it. French is back but not before I finish with German, because both have quite demanding attencion and focus pronunciations.I won't do anything today because I wasted time thinking about what to learn after learning German and French but tomorrow I will choose Italian, Spanish, Portuguese or Japanese. If you have any comments or suggestions, or any ideas on how to live like a king in Italy, Spain, Portugal, hispanidad America, Brazil or Japan, I'd love to hear them. Bye-bye
>>223596659I gotta ask polack jordie, how far are you in each language so far? Like B1 in most if them? I'm interested to see how far you have come learning all these languages or have you just started?
>>223597219German is pretty bad. I'm starting over every now and then. I have already accepted that learning German is slower and I have been learning at my own pace for some time now. I have been studying for almost a month now, 10 days with AnkiI used to get by with Italians in broken Italian and read easier articles or sing some songs. But I still lost some knowledge when I dropped it, then regain some when get back and so on, so idk, A2 maybe? It's hard for me to define these levelsI haven't touched Latin in years, and today I discovered that I still remember some of it and even caught two mistakes in this thread. Usually, if you don't know the language well, the knowledge quickly disappears, but something remains here, so maybe I was better than I thought in the past I can only pretend to speak Portuguese in front of people who don't know the language because I listened to a lot of Portuguese-language music. But I didn't REALLY studied it.French is bad, mainly due to a lack of feedback and uncertainty about how to use the language, how to pronounce words, homophones etc. The reputation of being heavily judged for pronunciation doesn't help and I have bad memories of school with this language. So, mostly I can just use single phrases from movies or CI materials, order coffee, or point in the right direction and know random ass words like tapis de sourisIf Italian is at A2, then Spanish maybe A1? Pronunciation is not that easy in full sentences because they speak quickly and Spanish has "weaker" and "stronger" sounds, not sure how to describe it, but doable.Japanese: I know only kana and a few kanji, but I did everything I could to avoid learning it when I was tempted. Stereotypical weeb level.I can communicate in Russian somehow, but now it's mainly thanks to my large vocabulary in Polish. I used to be close to the B1 level because I used runet and had contact with people from the EastChinese: I know two verses of the Red Sun in the Sky and that's it
Learning about different vocab for sundials, pocket watches, clocks, and horologiums now. And their history. Kino. The last section was discussing in detail which monarchs had the largest gemstones in detail. This book is peak, and I’m learning French just to read it.
>>223597994I admire your bravery in attempting to learn all these languages. Also what is runet? I looked it up and it's apparently just russian versions of popular websites? Might check that out as I'm learning russian.
>>223598472Quel est le livre, s'il vous plaît?
>>223598846étude progressive de la langue française
>>223598942Merci
finna never make fun of any asian with a funny accent ever again. I don't think I'll ever be able to speak another language lol
>>223599468Quae lingua te molestat nigerpathice
How am I supposed to study Lingua Latina Per Se Ilustrata? Am I supposed to read the texts while staring at the drawings?
Being an American learning French is a thing of extremes where I live, either other Americans think it's super cool because they're a filthy Francophile like myself, or I get lazy "have you learned how to say 'I surrender' yet" jokes. Nothing in between.
>>223599626Read. If you need external help/explanations get the companion by Neumann. It’s that simple. Don’t ask about it again until you’ve gotten through Chapter 10.
>>223599662Where do you live? I can't imagine anyone caring about you learning another language.
>>223599626Read the text. Use the pictures, the notes in the margins, and your logical thinking skills to learn the rules of Latin grammar.Take the first chapter for example. Look at the picture at the start of the chapter. Consider what is depicted in the picture. It may be more obvious in the newer colorized edition, but the picture depicts water, the mainland, and an island. The island is labeled "insula" the town on the mainland is labeled "oppidum," and there's a river labeled "fluvius." The water seems to be filled with small sailboats or perhaps sharks with abnormally large fins. Well, they're not labeled, so I suppose it might not matter, unless it comes up in the reading.Now we see the chapter title: IMPERIVM ROMANVM. I don't suppose the meaning of that is terribly hard to guess at.Now we being with the main text in earnest. "Rōma in Italiā est." If you know anything about geography, the meaning should be obvious. "Italia in Eurōpā est." The meaning should also be obvious. But what's this? Why is it first spelled "Italiā," but then simpliy "Italia?" Hm... Over in the margin it seems to be saying that we normally say just "Italia," but with the word "in," we say "in Italiā." That would explain why it also say "in Eurōpā." Let's see if the pattern holds...And you go through the entire chapter in this manner. Use logic and educated guesses. It's okay if you're unsure about the meaning of something the first time you see it. You may get additional examples that will clarify the meaning as you read further. Maybe when you get to "Hispānia quoque in Eurōpā est," you're uncertain what quoque means. Give it your best guess (and you could try to think of some alternative guesses too.) Your first guess is probably right, and you can check your guesses against other examples in the chapter. If you can't figure it out after reading the whole chapter, it's probably okay to consult a Latin-English vocabulary.
If this is your first exposure to Latin, at least read everything in the margins to make sure you are getting what the chapter is trying to teach. After you give the chapter at least one read-through, you can consult either Neumann's "Companion to Familia Romana" or the more compact "Latine Disco." Review the chapter as necessary. The "pensa" are intended to be used as a test for the chapter. (There is an answer key in another volume.)Here's also some advice in the Neumann. When it says "try not to translate," I think this should be interpreted as do not translate in your head more than necessary. It would be a problem if you read through the chapter translating everything in order to understand it.Roma=Rome in=in Italia=Italy est=is.Rome is in Italy.Roma in Italia est.Italia=Italy in=in Europa=Europe est=isItaly is in Europe.Italia in Europa est.You probably could still learn that way, but you want to practice reading the Latin as Latin in the order it's written without resorting to any translation as much as possible, understanding the meaning of the Latin from the Latin.
>>223599626This "Teacher's Materials" is the book that contains the answers to the pensa (and the "Exercitia Latina" workbook if you use that).
>>223599686>>223599966You need two extra books to use a grammar textbook? That seems a tad inconvenient.
>>223600132The book you just posted is intended to be used alongside LLPSI btw, and I’ve heard it’s got a number of errors.If you were looking to get respect posting another book you could’ve at least poster Fr. William Most’s work.
>>223598566>all these languagesNo, I'll probably learn two, maybe three, by the end of my life.
>>223600294I bought the textbook because I want the example sentences to be from the Latin Vulgate. I haven’t read it because I am studying German, will be studying Hungarian, and every now, I will polishing my Spanish (B2 according to some quiz website), then I hope to have time to delve into Latin. >looking to get respectThat would be vain.
>>223599626I'm at chapter 32 now, so I've almost finished the book and what I do is this:>read the entire chapter, looking at the marginal notes, looking at a dictionary where necessary>listen to an audio recording of the chapter (I recommend Ranieri's recordings)>read it again, listen againread the chapter as many times as you need to understand the material within it completely, although if you miss a word or two it's not that big of a dealI recommend doing the exercises too. there are two main exercise books for the series: Exercitia Latina and Nova Exercitia Latina. personally, I didn't like the latterI think a good approach is to study a chapter in total for, say, 4 or 5 hours, doing all of the exercises, then moving on. I don't think trying to do it all in one or two days is a good idea, I generally spread it out over three days, so generally I spend more time on a chapter, but you probably won't need to spend as much time for the first few chapters>>223599949I also think you shouldn't mentally translate things as really your native language, English, or really any other language into which you are going to be translating doesn't work like Latin. I only think that a dictionary might be useful, since the meanings of some words, personally for me, were not always easy to guess. Neumann's book has all of the new vocabulary listed at the end of each chapter, so use thatfor some reason Latin learning material seems to be significantly better in general than that of other languages: there are no 'learn Latin in 30 days' books and at least sometimes authors try to incorporate actual research into their textbooks
The brain of a nolanger needs to be studied, maybe someone here can donate their body to science
Probably the most annoying thing about German is that there are some words that just aren’t translated where you take them out and the sentence means the same thing. You see this a lot with ‘wohl’.
>>223604763I've got a small nolanger cringe collection
>>223602432Check out A Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin. Also https://archive.org/details/latinprimerafir02allegoog/page/n13/mode/1up
>>223604763Any British brain that has been studied has a very high chance of having had met the criteria of nolanger, as we are a very monolingual nation before the foreigners came over and bumped our numbers up some.
Chat, do I learn Russian or Polish? I like both about the same. Prefer Poland to Russia as they exist in current day and have been to Poland but probably would never go to Russia unless TZD.
Question about audio/video input:Am I learning when I understand what's going on due to visuals, but don't understand most of the actual words? Like if I watch a scene and can basically guess what they're talking about, but don't actually understand it (except for some words here and there). How useful is that? Am I subconsciously learning the way a young child does?
>>223608090Depends, but I feel as a child I understood/knew most of the words, and then the visual clues gave me context for the things/words I didn't understand in the sentence.I think you should know most of the words being said, or your media being used for input is likely at a much higher level than you're ready for.
>>223600132Having separate volumes is convenient because it makes the main volume more compact, and leaves the entirety of the main volume is Latin, allowing it to be used in any country. Everyone, no matter their country, can use the same main text and get a version of the student's manual in their own language.
>>223606878>bumped our numbers up some.Yeah but not for native brits, even less so for british men. At my uni the language courses were like 90% women and I reckon I'm barely exaggerating. That said I think men go uni less now tho which is awful because women are genuinely fucking retarded
>>223608090Don’t overthink it.
>>223611289>Yeah but not for native britsThats literally what I said. You reply added nothing to mine.
>>223611995Sorry read it wrong thought you implied natives were learning languages more due to the migrants. Don't know why I thought that anyways, most sane people do not want to learn Urdu
>>223612106>most sane people do not want to learn UrduPolish and Romanian are spoken much more widely here than Urdu, and so are kinda worth learning if anything. Anyone learning Urdu is doing so because their parents made them. Anyone learning Polish or Romanian is doing so because of the huzz frfr no cap.
>>223612232Learning a language for foreign women is retarded beyond spending a week learning some tourist phrases. Part of the joy is not being able to understand what they’re saying.
>>223612269>foreign womenThey're British citizens now :P Learn2read :P
>>223611289>men go uni lesswell you certainly didn't lmao
Sollte ich als Nächstes Französisch lernen?
>>223604917You have to learn them as "particles" or various other meanings it could have in context. Not sure how the English equivalent but "wohl" is most likely (ha) "probably" in most cases, expressing doubt that the statement is not verifiable
All of my knowledge of german comes from porn videos and vtubers
>>223613427Erm, based? Immersion gooning really is slept upon.
>>223613427Which one do you want off to the most? Vtubers
>>223556323pretty sure i'm the second, believe i am further long. i think we need to foster more of a competitive spirit in these threads. so we can one and for all publish the definitive /lang/ rankings
>>223613509Mostly indies who know me. But I'll mention comprehensible input german, her voice makes me hard and compells me to scribble mspaint porn of her.
>>223613546>i think we need to foster more of a competitive spirit in these threadscuh wants ranked /lang/ threads instead of casual ones xd
>>223612447>well you certainly didn't lmaoI did actually, but I'll be sure to perfect my grammar for you next time, faggot.
>>223612232I did have a crack at Polish when me and my ex were together so checks out.
>>223613562>comprehensible input german, her voice makes me hardI watched 5 seconds and am rock hard. Gawd dayum boy.
>>223613659Type shit. Its starts off with one kurwa and next thing you know, you know you are eating the glizzys from the Polish food shop after work most days.
>>223613727>you know, you knowActual stroke moment
>>223613727Yeah and then 3 years later they ruin you, and then you haven't had a gf since. Lovely country though, might be worth learning the language just to escape there.
>>223613828Real. Lets move to Poland together <3
>>223613870Speak German while you do so to let them know it's deja vu time
>>223613929Nein :( Das ist rüde :((
>>223613979Uns ja, wir werden deine Hinterlände und dein Inneres überfallen und besitzen in dir!
>>223614103no hablo amerikkkan
>>223613624Liverpool polytechnic or Aberystwyth uni?
>>223614324Neither, what's your problem man?
>>223614444quad 4444 :0
>>223613546What's the reason for learning russian? I forgot mine a long time ago.
>>223613489It\s terrible actually. I used to pick chink TLs for doujins because I wouldn't understand anything, now my brain starts picking it up mid-fap and it ruins the mood.
>>223614801Is the writing really that bad? I know anime sucks but you think doujins would be more passionately written.
>>223614896>Is the writing really that bad?Brother, it's porn, there aren't that many examples of it having good writing.
>>223614896I tried reading some Chinese doujins and they're just so cringe... Sex talk in Chinese in general is super cringe and I can't stand it lol
>>223614950Clearly you have never watched any Pure Taboo cinematic masterpieces
There was a guy that got to N1 japanese gooning to VNs up to 8 hours a day.
Will it ever happen, bros?
>>223615814Fluency? If you live somewhere where your TL is the main language, sure.
The /fr/ general is political cesspit, more so than britpol. What the fuck. I did not realise they had so many unironic commies. I always thought it was a bit.
>>223615930I don't but I'm planning to travel to Germany more often
>>223615814I don't think so, bud. Fluency is reserved for children born in TL country, not for us late-20s uncs with 99% of our brain development already completed.The new Easy German podcast episode had one of their employees and their 10-year-old daughter as guests. They moved to Germany like 5 years ago and the kid is fully fluent now and correcting her dad's mistakes. The game is rigged. We never had a chance.
>>223616275If it was another romance language, you'd probably be fine, but yeah for German, best you spend a significant amount of time there
>>223616341Skill issue.
>>223616341I think this is bullshit, but I do wonder about significantly older people. Like 40s first gen immigrants. Not so much anymore, but in the UK growing up we used to get the asian families move over, and no matter what the parents in the families were just always shit at english? I think it was partly a "refusal" to learn it, or lack of need maybe, being that they kept to their communities.
>>223616341khatzumoto is ridiculously fluent at japanese and he didn't start until 21. I doubt there's some giant handicap between a 28 year old and a 21 year old.
>>22361679628 year olds have less free time than 21 year olds tho lol. You should also have more responsibilities that require your attention unless you are a maidenless loser.
>>223616341>Fluency is reserved for children born in TL countryErm, based?The goal is always to be conversationally-abled. Anyone who expects you to be more than that is a faggot. And if you are more than that, then you're goated fr.Learning a language shouldn't be stressful. It should be fun and full of wonder and socially rewarding :)
>>223616942I am a maidenless loser.
>>223617122maidens are overrated on this site they're usually a major pain in the ass
>>223616942true as fuck, the effort required to change your habits and establish something new in your life at 28 is like 10x more than when you're 21
Trying to make my first Anki deck. Fuck is this annoying and tedious.
>>223616942well whatever the case the only people I see who get truly fluent at another language are those who spend a long period having completely switched to the target language and stopped using their native language. I don't think it's possible to ever get fully fluent just engaging 2 hours a day while still using your native language as your main language. Your brain constantly has to suppress patterns associated with other languages in order to engage in one which is much easier when you're not constantly switching back and forth.
>>223617635If you want to get fluent*, you have to go to the country of your TL. Its that shrimple. >*fluent still has no real meaning in any case, its just an abstract idea
I <3 you all
>>223617867Thanks
>>223617867We <3 you
>>223617867I love everyone even that one really snarky and mean britposter
>>223618365snarky shark doo doo doodoodoodoo
>>223618405mean man :(
>>223618365Sorry I had been posting in /Brit/ and was in a bad mood
How many fucking brits are there in this thread? I'm surprised. You'll think that they would be as much Americans here if there are so many brits.
>>223618633We Brits are few but mighty! I also imagine someone is larping as multiple users lol
>>223617015Unless it's English, moving to a new country or a small handful of professional fields it really isn't necessary I think. I'm perfectly happy being litterate, being able to understand the language when spoken and having okay ability to speak. I'm planning on going to nippon land next year (and will be the only one if the group that knows a word beyond please and thanks) should be fun putting it to the test in the real world.
>>223618501Not me :3 xxI love u <3
>>223618542I accept your apology, what caused the bad mood
>>223618633I sorta wish the board had IDs
>>223618780Didn't all of 4chan have unique posters on a particular thread? It seems to be gone now. It should have IDs anyway since /int/ is bant but actually moderated.
>>223617635I really don't see why this should be the case, 2 hours per day is a lot and you need about 1100 hours of study to get good
>>223619156>2 hours per day is a lotIts not enough though.
>>223619265why?
>>2236192652 hours a day for 7 years is over 5k hours. Is that not enough to get fluent?
Anyone baking or should I?
>>223617635Well you should be engaging in your TL eventually. English is the second language of most of the world and they do just fine with engaging with it with books or online. I just have to imagine that you have to start using it often and not just for study anymore once you reach around understanding the majority of basic language and start digging into native content like books, tv shows, news and more.I feel like being fluent in 3 languages is definitely possible for the majority of people. Being a polyglot however I have doubts about. I doubt many polyglots are truly fluent.
>>223619304>fluentwhat does fluency mean to you?
>>223619288>>223619304You need, imo, a month or two where you smash it. 2 hours a day is useful, do that for a year or even two, you will understand your TL's grammar rules etc. But you need a burst of like 2-3 months where you are constantly surrounded by the TL. This is mainly for speaking and writing imo. Reading, anyone can do that after a while I suppose. I've worked with spanish people who became borderline fluent in 6 months with literally the most barebones english, was crazy.
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>>223619409immersion is a meme, it's all about comprehensible input. immersion is pointless unless it's comprehensible, which for you won't be until you're like B1
>>223619458Why do you make a new thread before we reach the limit of the current thread?
>>223619572Its basically close enough. Time to let go of the past and embrace the new <3
