>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread:>>224915722Previous Challenge:>>224918120
>>225016747Couldn't the retard who generated that stupid fucking image just paste real images of those characters into a collage? We need to start killing people
Hate to admit it. But the sw*de is right.
whats the most iconic portuguese cartoon?
Corentin mogs all that shit https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z1quapaa3sM
>>225016747Pippi and Bamse would end all those literal whos
AIslop translation challenge>EasyThat picture really upset me.I was furious when I saw what was happening in this photo.Looking at this made my blood boil.I couldn't believe someone had posted a picture like this.This photo left me feeling irritated for the rest of the day.>MediumI had to look away because I was getting more and more annoyed.What bothered me most was how casually everyone seemed to treat the situation.I don't usually get worked up over things I see online, but this one really got to me.The picture reminded me of something that happened to me years ago, which probably explains why I reacted so strongly.I was tempted to leave an angry comment, but decided it would be better to calm down first.>HardThe longer I stared at the photograph, the more difficult it became to understand how anyone could look at it without feeling outraged.What initially struck me as merely unpleasant gradually turned into genuine anger once I realized what the photographer had deliberately left out of the frame.Even though I knew I was reacting emotionally rather than rationally, I couldn't shake the sense that something deeply unfair was being presented as perfectly normal.Had the image been presented without any context, I might have dismissed it as another provocative post, but knowing the story behind it completely changed the way I perceived it.There was something particularly infuriating about the fact that the people responsible seemed less concerned with what they had done than with how the resulting photograph made them look.
>mort and phil and pocoyo for spainwhy can spaniards only make media for 2 year olds or ghetto-dwellers?
>>225016992I can't translate a single one of these sentences.
>>225016747I think Cheburashka is much more iconic
>>225016747Wallace and gromit arent a cartoon
>>225017059Es ist ganz normal am Anfang. Konzentriere dich auf Lesen und Hören.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUusZSW3BkGute Nacht.
>>225017559Then why don't native speakers translate the challenges to their languages so we can listen and learn?
>>225004110>>225004137Supongo que confundí el pretérito y el imperfecto debido que cuando hay una interrupción de una acción continua (el verbo en el imperfecto) por otra que no está continua, se necesita utilizar el pretérito. Es algo he leído de mi libro de texto de gramática de español.
>>225017025Because their innocence lasts till about 3 years old since they live in the ghetto. So there’s nothing wholesome in between.
I just watched a video of someone giving a c1 interview and they couldn't remember in spanish that "just" was "solo", like they couldn't string together a basic sentence despite them doing multiple interviews, so they said this part in english.How long did it take you to realize that c1 is WAY overrated (she was certified even) and it doesn't really let you talk like anything but a retard? I might have to get high c1 or even c2 to be able to talk like a normal fucking chud.
>>225019708Calm down.
I probably don't even know 20 words, to be honest.
>>225016747>Totally Spies
>>225019732I am calm actually I just had a glass of wine and after a cup of brand, so I'm very calm actually and hardly even awake.My last 2 hours of input I've just been drinking to focus better.
>>225019782KINO
Give me a small list of words you think I should know at this point and I'll tell you how badly I failed.
Is there ever a time you'd say something like "Puedo hablar?" Like "I can 'verb?'" in Spanish
>>225019838Do you feel that alcohol is necessary to calm down, bro?
>>225019782
>>225020240just like that puzzle in half life 1
>>225020445Half-Life: Decay?
>>225019838I agree with your above sentiment. I saw a bing bong ding dong ching chong crash out on a white guy, claiming he had “better English than natives” because he was C2 certified but with a thick accent, unnatural word choice, and technically correct but odd grammar (all of which is fine just don’t be an arrogant anti-American prick).You could have a century of C2-certified careerist cosmopolitans vomiting linkedinese onto the internet and not a single clause in the corpus would really contain any English, unless by “English” you mean that rule-heavy arbitrary hodgpodge koine we invented to do business with foreigners better.>I am excited to leverage my unique skillset and experience to optimize on deliverables for B2B SAASbro stfu man Sorry nigger you ain’t gonna correct my semicolon usage because I use my semicolons freely like a proper Victorian; it’s not the rigid rule you learned in English class.
not to be offensive, but why would you learn a scandinavian language?like… what’s the point?
>>225020494Yeah they really don't get it, when I talk to other people (which is very rare, they're usually reddit niggers) we have a couple points we would disagree with each other on in terms of word usage, grammar, phrases, that guy probably couldn't even spell right.The idea of even being CLOSE to a native in anything at all, I would think, wouldn't even be in terms of hours, but in years of you spending like 1/2 your time with the language per day until you just think naturally in it.I've just broken through to the "think in said language" but that's still not natural thinking in said language. Natives literally input for 16 hours a day for their entire lives - many of them still being cringe and not being able to talk about advanced topics - and these people think they can brute-force anything near native by just inputting 4 hours per day for a couple years.
>>225020493no, almost certain it's the laser puzzle in the questionable ethics chapter of hl1
>>225017984These genuinely suck though, I tried to translate them to German and actually struggled a bit and the difficulty levels are all over the place. Eg something like "makes my blood boil" is absolutely not in the category easy, because you can't translate it literally, instead you have to find another idiom for it that has the same meaning. But the Serb did mention these sentence are AI slop so that's probably why they suck so hard
>>225020681>Makes my blood boilYeah, I can't imagine that or other idioms being directly translatable to another language, that's how you end up with spanglish.It really grinds my gears when people do that.
go away in all 4 directions is a funny one i like
I think that's been like 8 hours of input today, or at least pretty close to it. Now it's close to bedtime, how do I get more hours in? Just stay up for 24 hours inputting so I can say that I did 16 hours?At this point it's right around my TL and NL being split.
>>225016747Thai anons please help me learn Thai I’m a native who grew up abroad
>>225017025We call Mort and Phill Antirix&Symphonix where I'm from and it's literally the funniest comics ever drawn. In history. Do you know what lol means?
>>225016992gpt-sama please don't include sentences with multiple fused relatives in the "easy" leveli think i still translated it correctly enough but i'm not confident about it yet >>225020681it seems to be 1.5x harder than the average TL challenge here, most of them have simple single clause sentences in easy and definitely don't use any idiomatic expressionsi'm certain 95% of people would struggle to properly translate the hard sentences there into their NL because they're too complex for anyone that doesn't have translation experience
>>225020681I don't think challenges are bad per se but really the goal is not to translate right? I think the goal is to fully function in your TL without working through your L1.
>>225021896some people do try translating too literally into their TL which causes stiff/unnatural sounding sentences regardless of whether they're "correct" grammatically or not, the issue is that outside of closely related IE languages one usually has to fundamentally restructure the entire sentence for it to sound natural it feels like i can produce more fluent sounding TL sentences ex nihilo than when i base them on english ones at least
Not posting this in djt because it's a shitholeI'm starting to struggle to see a reason to keep learning Japanese, even though I used to want to move there, work there, and, optionally, make friends there.Japanese content sucks ass, even the underground scenes suck ass>In this community we pretend to act like niggers and listen to rap that was popular in the 90s.>Well in this community we pretend to be niggrettes and dress in bizarre and stupid ways>In THIS community we literally devote our entire life to king of the hill>Also we really hate you for being not Japanese but we're going to be passive aggressive about it>also we are going to make it substantially harder to migrate to Japan (which is fine) except for poojeets, who we welcome with open arms as a boost to our workforceI wasn't expecting Japan to be like my epick animeys, but I also didn't expect them to turn flat out retarded.I think I'm going to jump ship to Russian or Chinese, I just can't stop thinking about how I wasted the last 5 or so years on an increasingly unforgivable people's language. Ancient japs would be seppukuing themselves over the embarrassment.
>>225022061>it feels like i can produce more fluent sounding TL sentences ex nihilo than when i base them on english ones at leastBecause you're consciously trying to adhere to English language structure, it'd be a problem even if you were translating into your native lang. Many such cases among translators.>>225022121If it took you five years to understand you don't really like the content you're gonna use the language for, you might just be retarded, my guy.
I love French creoles
>>225020532The strongest reason would be if you plan to live there, or even just spend a lot of time there. Living in a country, even a highly English-speaking country, without knowing the language, is stupid and will result in bad times.I could also see how someone would want to learn it if they're dating/married to a someone from there.They're also appealing because they're easy, at least theoretically. In practice they're harder than people give them credit for.And finally, they are highly related to each other, so people have the idea that they're going to easily add three languages to their epic polyglot profile page.
>>225022181I thought it was just n5-4 content that sucked ass so much. Games are great. Anime is nice... It's been getting more and more boring though. Most of the channels on YouTube suck ass. Most live action shows suck ass. The average person is still an over the top caricature of what a normal human being should be. Talking to native japs sucks ass, at least the ones who are interested in talking to foreigners.Turns out that annoying femfags exist the entire world round, really thought I was running away from that and I could go to Japan and have a chance at dating just a normal guy who happens to be gay, but that was all fantasy.
japan is probably literally the last country on earth i can imagine a "normal" gay guy
>>225022404Gay rights in japan are very iffy, I thought that would've meant that at least they'd respect holding up social expectations and keeping society in order but apparently it means being a fucking faggot in ways that compare to the USA.
I wonder if there is a minimal pair of German proper nouns with SS and ẞ and how they are anglicised.
>>225016747Lol
>>225022121The only reason to learn Japanese is to read some niche mangas that have no translations, like 数学ゴールデン.If you just wait it out machine translations will likely get vastly better.
>>225017984Nee, das würde sehr ineffizient sein. Es gibt viele Lehrbücher und Texte, die du lesen und hören kannst. Check mal Annas Archive.Du lernst Finnisch, richtig? Wie läuft es?>>225019767Was willst du hören? "Boah digga, du bist dumm"20 Worte sind zwei gemütliche Tage in Anki.Du bist nicht hilflos, du musst nur anfangen und aufhören zu jammern.>>225019782Dank dieser Serie, habe ich jetzt einen sehr ausgeprägten Latex-Fetisch. Danke, Cartoon Network, wenigstens war es nicht irgendeine Homoscheiße, wie heutzutage.>>225020532Ich war überrascht wie viel SOVL Schwedisch hatte. Ein kleines Land, aber immerhin völl mit weißer Menschen, und die werden dich immer überraschen. Schwedisch ist mehr wert als all die afrikanischen Sprachen zusammen.>>225021672Lügner. Wir wissen was du eigentlich willst, du kleine Perversling.
>>225022390>Most of the channels on youtube suck assI don't know how I did it, I normalfagged myself somewhat and managed to sit down and watch some travel-vloggers.I don't like them at all, I hate them and actually want to kill them (I would if I could legally get away with it).I hate 99% of youtube and in my TL (spanish) it's even worse because it's the most normalfag mouthbreathing youtube in existence.They have zero good paranormal content despite being schizo magic-larpers. I have like 10 channels of random english-speaking 20 year olds who post long paranormal rants that are actually good, none of these are even close to existing for spanish speakers. Some random english-speaking 20 year old just playing around makes better videos than the entirety of the spanish world.Actually I hate the idea even of "input" or calling it "content" on youtue because it just feels empty, there are a handful of OK channels but most of them feel like some literal robot running a script. Pretty much my only saving grace with this language is literature, but even then you just have to ignore what people suggest because they give you long lists of books they never read.
>>225025503and the youtube suggestions are always>Oh here's some travel vloggers>Here's some vidya shit where the guy tries to be funny and quirky>Ah a cooking channel who doesn't love those and wouldn't be watching cooking shows in their free time haha>Quirky history channel (NEVER EVER a serious one, if it is serious it's boomer history)Like seriously, I want stuff natives actually watch for fun, do they really do this?This seems like throwing my time into a giant pit, I just watched a video about some mexican crying that a vulture was shot by a vlogger with a bb gun. This is the kind of stuff they post about, they are the most normalfag speakers in existence. I don't give a FUCK about your stupid bird even if you tell me I should care.
>>225025293I'm using an app that involves a lot of reading. I click words and add them to vocabulary once I have recognized and known them from a previous day. I know present tense verbs.
Seeb used to bully posters for learning languages as big as Polish because it was a "meme language". Back when we were a proper country. Now a leaf learns Finnish and he doesn't even bat an eye.
>>225016992Cuireann an pictiúr sin as domBhí mé feargach nuair a chonaic mé cad atá ag tarlú sa phictiúrI can't translate the rest. Make human slop challenges next time
>>225025650Gut. Mach weiter so.>>225025809Ich weiß nicht, warum ich Polnisch so sehr gehasst habe. Es hat mir das "Ick"-Gefühl gegeben und dann hab ich meine Gefühle rationalisiert. Es klingt einfach so... ekelhaft. Ich habe gehört, dass der Poleaf aufgegeben hat, also hab ich am Ende gewonnen. Ich brauche jetzt einen neuen Feind in diesem Faden. Ich hab zwei besiegt und hab noch nie verloren, mein KD-Ratio ist hervorragend.
>>225026340>Ich brauche jetzt einen neuen Feind in diesem Faden*enters room*
>>225026340Finnleaf IS Poleaf
I know what the words mean; I’ve looked them up, but I have no idea what the whole meaning of the song is. https://youtu.be/sx-cm_y6x2Y(Verse order may require some assembly). Wohlan, die Zeit ist gekommen,Mein Pferd, das muß gesattelt sein.Ich hab mir's vorgenommen:Geritten muß es sein.Fi di ru la ru la, ru la la la la,Fi di ru la ru la, ru la la!Ich hab mir's vorgenommen:Geritten muß es sein.2. In meines Vaters Garten,Da stehn viel schöne Blum', ja Blum'.Drei Jahr muß ich noch warten,Drei Jahr sind bald herum.Fidirula . . . . .Drei Jahr muß ich noch warten,Drei Jahr sind bald herum.3. Du glaubst, du wärst die SchönsteWohl auf der ganzen Welt, ja Welt,Und auch die Angenehmste,Ist aber weit gefehlt!Fidirula . . . . .Und auch die Angenehmste,Ist aber weit gefehlt!4. Du denkst, ich werd' dich nehmen,Ich hab's noch nicht im Sinn, ja Sinn;Ich muß mich deiner schämen,Wenn ich in Gesellschaft bin.Fidirula . . . . .Ich muß mich deiner schämen,Wenn ich in Gesellschaft bin.5. In meinen jungen Jahren,Da will ich allzeit lustig sein;Kein'n Kreuzer will ich sparen,Versoffen muß er sein.Fidirula . . . . .Kein'n Kreuzer will ich sparen,Versoffen muß er sein.6. So setz' ich mich auf's PferdchenUnd trink' ein Gläschen kühlen Wein,Und schwör bei meinem Bärtchen,Dir ewig treu zu sein.Fidirula . . . . .Ich schwör bei meinem Bärtchen,Dir ewig treu zu sein.7. Der Kaiser streit' fürs Ländle,Der Herzog für sein Geld, ja Geld,Und ich streit' für mein Schätzle,Solang es mir gefällt.Fidirula . . . . .Und ich streit' für mein Schätzle,Solang es mir gefällt.8. Solang ich leb' auf Erden,Sollst du mein Trimpele-Trampele sein,Und wenn ich einst gestorben bin,So trampelst hinterdrein.Fidirula . . . . .Und wenn ich einst gestorben bin,So trampelst hinterdrein.
>>225026482Wirklich? Er klingt wie ein frisch gebackenes Anfänger. Der Poleaf hat sechs oder mehr Jahre mit Sprachenlernen verbracht, hatte er wirklich nichts über das Meta-Spiel gelernt? Na ja, es mir egal, wenigstens hatte er Polnisch aufgegeben. Ich werde ihm helfen, wenn ich kann.>>225026394Muttersprachler-sama, nein! Ich dachte, du wärst mein Freund? Ich muss irgendwie deine Zuneigung gewinnen.
>>225026732>MuttersprachlerIch habe schlechte Nachrichten für dich
The bump that saved /lang/
>>225026732You mean to tell us that your gripe with Polish as a so-called "meme language" was never based on any objective measurement, but instead a knee-jerk whimsical feeling of "the ick"? Are you a female?
>>225025503>>225025608I like to watch the Wild Project sometimes if there's an interesting guest
>>225029223Na ja, es war beides. Ein subjektives Gefühl von Widerlichkeit und auch die Tatsache, dass Polen sehr niedrig kulturelles Output hat.>Are you a female?Nee, aber ich habe meine Anima integriert, also berücksichtige ich auch meine Gefühle, Instinkte und alles, das man als "irrationales" betrachten kann.
>>225016992>>225020681>>225021829AIslop challenge, but with an attempt to actually explain to the AI what easy, medium and hard are:> Easy1. Seeing the picture made Anna angry.2. He looked at the picture and became angry.3. Why did that picture make you so angry?> Medium4. The picture, which showed a damaged house, made her angry.5. I felt angry when I saw what the picture showed.6. Although the picture was simple, it made everyone in the room unusually angry.> Hard7. The longer he looked at the picture, the more angry he became, as if each new detail confirmed something he had already suspected.8. “Don’t show me that picture again,” she said, turning away from it, although she continued to stare at its reflection in the window.9. What made him angry was not the picture itself, but the realization—formed while he was examining its smallest details—that the scene had been presented in a way that concealed what had actually happened.
>>225030099Proompt used: Generate a translation challenge on the subject of seeing a picture making someone angry. This translation challenge should consist nine sentences in English. The first three sentences should be easy, the next three medium, and the final three hard. All sentences should avoid overly idiomatic phrasing and expressions, and an attempt to make them somewhat unique in things like form, structure, sentence type (statement, question, command, etc.) and verb tense should be made while obeying the following constraints. Easy sentences should use simple clause structure, avoiding relative, subordinate, and embedded clauses, but may use coordinate clauses if both clauses themselves obey the easy constraints. Easy sentences should mostly be about non-abstract concepts, such as actions, observations, and simple feelings such as anger, happiness, sadness, etc. They should use only common, beginning-level vocabulary with the optional exception of one or two words related to the topic of the challenge as given above. Medium sentences may include simpler cases of more complex syntax, like relative, embedded, and subordinate clauses, slightly less common vocabulary, and discuss more abstract aspects of the topic given above. Hard sentences may include more advanced vocabulary and grammatical devices, feature intricate sentence structures, and discuss abstract aspects of the topic given above. For example (the following list is non-exhaustive): hard sentences may include relationships described between multiple actions or states happening or occurring at the same time or at different times, snippets of interrupted dialog, sentences with embedded parentheticals, precise descriptions of details, etc.
>>225030121Danke, Anon. Ich hab den Prompt-Text für das nächste Mal gespeichert. Sehr geschickt!
>>225030099Please slow down. I don't know past tense yet.
Huh, so it turns out that ALG is bullshit and so is the concept that early output = “damage.” Everyone talks about “learning like a baby,” but forget the fact that babies constantly babble and try to imitate what they hear.
>>225031139You realize that most online discussion about language learning methodology is bullshit when you're forced into a situation in which you absolutely must learn a language and are constantly surrounded by it. Humans have a natural faculty for language, and, given enough time, you just pick them up. Of course, you probably won't gain a native accent as an adult because, in general, enculturation > acculturation.
>>225031139>early output = “damage.”Es stellt sich heraus, dass: Alter = SchadenALG war eigentlich zu optimisch.
>>225016747The moomins are fenno-swedish (swedish) change the flag
>>225031139>>225031437I keep seeing people saying stuff like that with Latin, like if you use Wheelock's Latin to study it you'll permanently damage your Latin capabilities and you'll just try to translate everything
>>225031579Almost every person who learned Latin from the end of Antiquity to just a couple centuries ago started learning Latin through explicit grammar study, and they had a command of Latin that far surpasses anything you tend to see today. When I started learning Latin, we used a Wheelock's and LLPSI simultaneously.
>>225016747>Barbapapa is frenchI was legitimately convinced it was italian
>>225030121not bashing you or your method to get to the end result but i lol'd seeing this massive brick of text that it used to get there
>>225025503Theres over 600 million people in latin america you gotta be able to find something on youtube...
>>225033342>More people = more gooderThis just means you have to sift through more garbage.>>225031579You try to translate anything anyway, translation is a shortcut and your brain is lazy. It'll go for directly linking concepts no matter what you do, and will gradually expand on them naturally.The only way to "not translate" is to input for literally 8+ hours a day where your brain doesn't have the energy to link all that stuff together and form patterns, it's a lower function actually to not form these patterns and it's born of exhaustion.Typically when you translate you're adding in the context already, so your TL word also is never translated directly inside your head, but rather appended.This is just how to works, english salsa and spanish salsa aren't the same and you learn this in the very first cooking video you watch without thinking at all.
People say Hiragana and katakana are the easy part of getting japanese down and I dont know man ive been off and on for a while and I still dont got that shit down
>>225031444neuroplasticity is a meme, no different from other pop psychology spooks like myers-briggs and brains not “fully developing” until 25
I decided to delegate the bulk of German to Goethe institute. I will sign up for in-person classes in October, they start in November.My parents think it's a colossal waste of time and are like "drop it already, jordanon..." and they are like I should instead improve my English, since it's the only language that matters.Not gonna lie, the constant nagging is eating away at my motivation.
Of course, Hebrew נחש, "snake," gives us Hawaiian naheka, as one would expect.
>>225035037Cont.What motivated me to tie my German to the Goethe institute is that its people are very chic, modern, open-minded, and cool. Unlike the Classical Arabic academy, where most of the people there are Indian-tier Islamists.
jordie please tell me you've learned a single word since I was here last
>>225016747I am covering second language acquisition in my PhD programask me stuff if you want, but hope you're having a good day anon
>>225031557Cope.
>>225034146Warum gibt es dann keine Schachgroßmeister, die als Erwachsene angefangen haben? Ab einem gewissen Alter, deinen Potenzial ist für immer begrenzt. Vielleicht merkt man das nicht beim Sprachenlernen, weil so viele Leute mittelmäßige Ergebnisse akzeptieren?>>225035037Jordie... hast du schon mal gemerkt, dass deine Hautfarbe buchstäblich wie Kacke aussieht?>>225035430Danke Doktor, aber wir wissen bereits alles über Zweitspracherwerb.
>>225033767I'll be honest with you anon, it really is the baby mode beginner part of the language. What you need to do it just double down and make a concentrated effort to just grind that shit out until you know it. It really shouldn't take more than a few days. Though to be fair it will obviously take a while before you can read it with the same ease as the latin alphabet without occasionally blanking out and having to refer to the kana table especially when dealing with more exotic fonts or hand writing.
>>225025503>watch some travel-vloggers.>I don't like them at all, I hate them and actually want to kill them (I would if I could legally get away with it).Based>>225025608>Quirky history channel (NEVER EVER a serious one, if it is serious it's boomer history)French actually has a lot of good history documentaries.When I sat myself down and asked myself “Do I actually want to spend all this time learning to order coffee and someday gossip” I realized just giving up on real human interaction and becoming a latinfag was the way to go, because the input is actually fun for me (not the shitty readers people make but the literature).
>>225033767You are either lazy, or stupid, or using a dumb method. I have faith it’s the third and I’m rooting for you. If it’s truly something you’re stuck on consider Heisig’s remembering the Kana.
>>225033767Do this 5-10 minutes a day for a weekhttps://djtguide.github.io/learn/kana.htmlhit show or hide options to select what you need
>>225035694Ich bin noch kein Doktor>>225035711cheburashka :)
>>225035694The human brain isn’t as naturally wired to play chess as it is to learn languages.
>>225036244Yeah I gave up on normalfag content mostly and I've been reading for a solid 4 or 5 hours a day (easy once you find a series you like, I advise sci-fi or fantasy because they write long series and you just have to find ONE good one to have 4 good ones at your disposal), I just can't deal with the shit from people I would normally hate and avoid in my NL.
>>225037282Reading and listening are equally as important, developing the four skills. If you're learning a historical language like Old English, Latin, Ancient Greek, or Old Norse it's doubly as importantBut I will say recently I did find an interesting podcast on Italian viticulture (Lezioni di Vite by L'Informatore Agrario) that has sharpened my Italian
>>225031579>you'll just try to translate everythingThis is completely normal at the beginning and you'll gradually be eased out of it. Translation is a complete non-issue.
>>225031139Yes it’s fucking retarded. Comprehensible input is an obviously real idea but people add a bunch of extra retarded dogmas and bullshit on top of it to sell you apps, courses, your attention, or merely the self-satisfaction of having convinced others of their retarded opinion.Grammar makes input comprehensible earlier than it would be otherwise and to a greater degree than would be realistically achievable.>>225031579Yeah I heard that too, I just bought a copy a while back finally and the book is actually super helpful in clearing up a ton of fuzzy or confusing parts of things. Don’t feel like I wasted time though with less grammar-intensive stuff like LLPSI, I have a big vocabulary, smooth reading, just need to keep expanding my explicit knowledge as I read more. Alexander Arguelles does something like that, where after getting through an initial grammar-light natural method book or two he’ll go read a grammar translation book thoroughly.
>>225037979CI is a good idea and something I champion but too many people misinterpret or misapply the theories of Krashen just to sell a product or somethingOne thing I learned in my SLA course is when we discussed Krashen that some of his theories are still debated, whilst others have been incorporated into the mainstream of SLA theory and discussion, so it's a mixed bag>Don’t feel like I wasted time though with less grammar-intensive stuff like LLPSINo, LLPSI is an amazing method and Ørberg is good but some formal grammatical study is good if you are having trouble grasping grammatical concepts
>>225036303im pretty sure its the method since I kind of just try to brute force it by writing them down over and over. It doesnt help that im inconsistent with my learning because my work takes up so much of my time >>225035758Even if I improve my method ive still never understood how learning almost 2 times as many characters as the english alphabet just for hiragana should only take "a few days" that doesnt sound reasonable. >>225036371thank you anon ill try to use this as well
also I have been using it a little since 4chan wouldnt let me post and holy shit its already been more effective for recognition than what I was previously doing, fuck me
>>225039354>ive still never understood how learning almost 2 times as many characters as the english alphabet just for hiragana should only take "a few days" that doesnt sound reasonable.It took you a long time to learn the alphabet because you were 5. You are no longer 5. This is one of the few things in language learning adults are way better at.You’re telling me if I gave you a bunch of random shapes, wrote down their names, and told you to learn the names of the ~50 shapes you couldn’t do that?
>>225039891No I definitely can do that, I do something similar to that in my schooling. I never said it was impossible I just said it was something I think is objectively odd to say is so easy it should only take you a "few days" even if you spent an hour a day lets say over 4 days to think that you would know EVERY hiragana and katakana symbol to idk an 80% accuracy on a recognition test to me is ridiculous.
I just can't wrap my head around German. I’m considering switching to Italian or another Romance language, or just ditching language learning, apart from English ofc, until I actually move away, or sign up for a course. I finished my study session and put on an anime I know in German, but I didn't understand anything except for a few words. I'm resistant to knowledgeBtw, this should be in the OP sticker, cool beginner decks;>>225016150 >>225033767I'll learn how to do it for you and let you know.
>>225037282>I just can't deal with the shit from people I would normally hate and avoid in my NL.>
>>225039976just study from a textbook, add some easy input (Easy German, for example), 1 hour per day maybe and anything else you fancy, but spend at least 2 hours studying 'formally'
I am so optimistic. Good things are on the way :) I am learning some A1.1 German now and will try to go through the A2.2 course before November, so I can start Goethe institute in-person classes being ten steps ahead. Then, I will certify my proficiency once I finish B2 courses. I don't know if they offer C1/C2 courses.
>>225037979I'm studying from Wheelock's right now along with Roma Aeterna. It's pretty good for review and such. I hope this will be enough to start reading real Roman literature, which is how I plan to maintain my Latin and improve it, doing something like reading 15 or so pages every dayI also want to study pronunciation more seriously in the future
>>225040268https://youtu.be/aCVsgvu8bFY
>>225040346kek it's over for you kraut, I am gonna learn your language
>>225040394
if racism isn’t real then how come there’s barely any resources for african languages but a million sites that’ll teach you every romance, germanic, and slavic language under the sun
>>225016747Why are French like that
>>225040789Warum machen die Afrikaner nicht ihre eigene Apps und Websites, um ihre Sprachen zu lehren?Ich dachte, es gibt Millionen von Afrikanern. Und keiner von ihnen hat es überhaupt versucht?Sind sie alle dumm oder einfach nur faul?
>forego all language learning for several years>pick up german>wow, das ist schwer>go back to my japanese again out of curiosity>it feels super easy now>going from B2 to C2 seems like it will be near effortlessI wonder if all languages have a hump like this. As if they're all very hard at some point but eventually become trivially easy with enough exposure
I hate the intrusive R so much, you have no idea. The worst thing ever.
i loved marsupilami
>>225040311Litanon, I’ve told you a million times, you already know what you need to read real lit, just depends on the amount of support you need. A lot of people do Caesar using something like Loeb before even Roma Aeterna, for example.
>>225030099> FurastaDh'fheargaich e Anna an dealbh a faicinn.Choimhead e air an dealbh agus chaidh e feargach.Carson a dh'fheargaich thu cho an dealbh?> MeadhanDh'fheargaich i an dealbh, a dreach taigh millte.Chaidh mi feargach 'nuair a do chunnaic mi dè a dearch an dealbh.Ge sìmplidh an dealbh, thug e air a h'uile daoine dhen t-seòmar a bhith feargach gu neò-chumanta.
I have much higher retention for mined song lyrics than other cards84% vs 94%the passrate over time also improves much more than other cards
if your TL is more than 5 circles away then it's not going to work out
>>225042801如果你奶奶有鸡鸡就她是你爷爷
>>225040789Racism is very real.
>>225043731沒奶奶卻有ㄐㄐ的話 那要幹啥好ㄇ= =
>>225044385给我她的电话号
>>225016747>Syrian qt allegedly only learned German to this level only with YouTube videos Fraud or not, lads? She's making some pretty audacious claims here imo
>>225044516kek forgot the link cause I'm hungover (AFL final weekend forgive me)https://youtu.be/c4nE091F970?si=8mWxqLAudAtY6MM0
>>225016747>The adventure sof TINTINTINTIN lol
I've been thinking about dabbling in French for some time now. Should i? Only for a month! Uni has been ass raping me and studying Japanese halted altogether. I just need to lock in while i study a nice, easy language. I'll go back to nihonguese after that. Thoughts?
Middle Eastern old people can be great French speakers to practice with, if you find the hon hon too snobbish. (Not my current TLang, but just an observation).
I want to learn afrikaans
talked to ai about russian case grammar todaymaybe in another decade each declension by heart
>>225016821whats "paste"? whats "folder"? "website"? what are you talking about. AI is the only way to put black text on a white background what do you mean? AI knows everything havent you watched TV ever? whats "URL"? i just open my app and it has all the things i need.
>>225031139>so it turns out that ALG is bullshithow was that found out? did you try it?
trying to improve my output. does anyone know of a generic list of topics/essays to write about or should I just argue with strangers online
>>225040968sex. they are the language of love or something after all
>>225047920TLang?
>>225044516I've not watched this but I know there are people who learned japanese to a really good level with only youtube and talking to people online and anki like livakivi, oojiman, sevenstop, matt vs japan, etc
>>225041646>>going from B2 to C2 seems like it will be near effortlessVielleicht, aber es wird zweimal länger dauern, als von A0 bis B2.>>225042801Schwules Dreieck.>>225044527Zu faul, hab nicht geschaut. Wie alt war sie wenn sie angefangen hat? Und wie lange hat es gedauert? Mehr Info brauche ich nicht.
>>225040221Yeah, I need to buy one I guess or buy some good app / online course or try assimil. I'm less of a doomer today. But more than an hour of studying outside the weekends may not be possible in my case>>225042801So I am able to learn Arabic or German, but I won't be able to learn Bulgarian. Make sense>>225025503>>225033342I would blame yt to be honest. Currently I can't find shit even if I type the title exactly. I think it works both ways. Both yt promotes shitty things and people produce shit because yt promotes it
>>225048452Sie sagte sie war 24 oder so, als sie es angefangen hat.
>>225042801Competitive astrology
>>225044516I have met a lot of children of unironic engineers and dentists that ended up with exceptional German skills. I can confirm.
>>225049022Das... kann nicht sein. Ich war 24 auch... und ich spreche immer noch nicht fließend.
There is a video blog of a German tourist couple that went to Damascus for tourism that went viral recently because every second shop owner was fluent in German.
Swedes of /lang/istan! What do you think of the Swedish production of Mozart’s ‘The Magic Flute/ Die Zauberflöte’?https://youtu.be/ufQxByt7dNM>>225044527>SportsballKomm schon!
>>225049154Ist Deustch wirklich das neue Französisch für den Nahe Osten?
>>225049242Anscheinend schon.
Okay, RPGs are the best type of video game to learn a language… for single players, but - hypothetically - if I were to play a game à la couch co-op, what would be the best game for us to learn a language?
American anon who went to study in Kazakhstan, is this you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ps-JgM_1M
>>225042801can you explain how the us is more than five tiles from any spanish country but our entire south west and west coast speaks spanish and we've got an entire continent that speaks it but it's not going to work out somehow for any americans
>>225052333Because USA is used in that chart to refer to American culture and importing 6 billion Guatemalans doesn’t make the Americans suddenly not American anymore, it just means there’s a lot of Guatemalans living within the same region.
>>225046651https://youtu.be/_yflqUWKVVc?is=YluPO6PXkQp_etbCNo amount of morphology is impossible if you just create active recall audios and go on a nice long walk. This is how I learned the regular declensions of Latin by heart pretty quickly, never bothered with the irregulars until more recently and they’re coming quickly.
>>225050024Minecraft. Just voice chat with your native speaker buddies while playing Minecraft.
>>225052470apologies, i'm retarded and didn't see the words 'cultural types' in the top left
Is it stupid to learn a language because your parasocial lover was from there and spoke it natively?
>>225053887Nein, eigentlich nicht.
>>225036371This has literally helped me so much with the kana its unbelievable how much better for recognition and how much faster im able to practice with this. thank you anon
>>225053887Frankly speaking, it doesn't fucking matter what gives you motivation, as long as you put in the work.
https://www.csun.edu/education/assets/take-away-tools/2013/krashen-ell-takeaway.pdf>speaking and getting explicit instruction make your results worse and grammar and writing are basically useless, the best thing to do is just reading no need to thank Krashen
>>225054018writing won't improve your german Serbian >>225054434
>>225054434Ich hab fünf Bücher in den letzten drei Monaten gelesen. Es hat nicht funktioniert... gibt es noch etwas das ich tun kann?
>>225049181I'm an uncultured swine, so I just looked up this part: https://youtu.be/ufQxByt7dNM?t=4645 (1h17m30s). German singer is slightly better, but acceptable effort. Four fancy wigs out of five.
>>2250547125 books is not enough, read at least 3 million words
how does one study a foreign language while working a full-time job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEoFjbBdBADags att ge upp igen>>225055361Das war nur in den letzten drei Monaten. Davor hab ich ungefähr ein Dutzend echte Bücher gelesen.Und davor, viele Bücher für Lernerde.Wann wird es genug sein? Ich bin müde, Herr Hitler...
unwanted guests in my home are preventing me from studying
I used to be an absolute menace on the Duolingo forums when they were still around.
>>225055655track the words read
>>225055429read in your job>>225054434translate your work to your target language and use a dictionary to read it again
>>225055429Small daily habits. Listening practice on your commute, reading practice in the evenings. The fact is that you will probably advance more slowly if you have other obligations, but you can still make steady progress.
>>225055429What I do is having very nearly all of the media I consume be in my TL with only the odd exception. I also utilize down time at work to read stuff in the language, like the news, wikipedia or manga scans. It's pretty easy to get several hours in per day for free that way.
>>225056034>>225055950what kind of jobs allow you to do that
>>225055429Podcasts. Und vielleicht ein bisschen Lesen beim Scheißen und während der Mittagspause.Aber du lernst Latein, also Pech gehabt. Steh eine Stunde vor der Arbeit auf, und mach deine Grammatikübungen.
>>225056082First worlder soft palm jobs. I am a real man who works with my hands. Since I wear hearing protection muffs I have been sneaking earphones in them and listening to Finnish rock tunes without the boss noticing.
Are AI language tutors worth it?
>>225055429Depends what is your job?
>>225056082I've got the kind of job where it's the only results that matter so nobody really gives a fuck what I do as long as I deliver.
>>225056082any with lunch time
>>225016747I doubt anybody outside of switzerland knows about pingu
>>225056602Are you kidding me? It was on Treehouse in Canada. If anything, we knew it, we just didn't know it was Swiss.
>>225056602We had pingu on national tv in the afternoons i think
>>225056602They showed it here. I think it was an easy sell for foreign TV stations, since there's no words so you don't need to get it dubbed in the local language.
>>225056602My country had Pingu in national tv
>>225056602>pinguwho?
The reason I'm studying French is because I need it for academic reasons, but I'm more passionate about learning Japanese. When I was learning the latter, I had a clear goal and interest in learning and applying what I learned. With French, however, my goal felt too distant (be able to read a specific complicated academic writer). But since setting goals seems to be important for forming habits, I want to ask: what kind of thing attainable if I study French daily for two months? I would aim to study vocab and grammar and comprehensive listening daily (or at least vocab daily and, for the latter, n times per week.).
>>225057811>what kind of thing attainable if I study French daily for two months?
>>225057811>what kind of thing attainable if I study French daily for two monthsNix. Vielleicht könntest du B1-Texte mithilfe eines Wörterbuchs lesen.Wie viele Stunden pro Tag würdest du arbeiten?
>>225056602I know about it
>>225057811Pick a book that is under 100 pages and read it
>>225057811I'm in the same boat. Fortunately, reading French, especially when contrasted with Japanese, seems to not be that hard of a task when you're also a romance speaker. Perhaps one of the few perks of being Brazillian is having other latin based languages be basically free to learn.
>>225058372>one of the few perks of being Brazillian is having other latin based languages be basically free to learn.on the downside you will sound brazilian
>>225058660Eh, others in this thread have talked about how having a bit of an accent while having good knowledge of the language can be quite charming if you don't act like a retard. Larp as a 19th century member of the Rio de Janeiro bourgeoisie if you must
>>225058770>can be quite charmingcope
>>225059358No bro speaking foreign languages with a heavy australian accent is totally cool and funny and not annoying at all bro
>>225016747Weird. Always thought Pingu was french canadian.
>>225060897This too.
It's hard to find a Hebrew language exchange partner, or anyone to talk to me in Croatian in the first place, it feels like you cannot make friends online based on nationality at all which I undestand because I feel like a creep trying to do so in the first place.
Has anyone tried wearing an article of clothing or a patch or pin of a flag or other indicator to speak TL? Did it work?
>>225054047Lol I had the same reaction when I discovered it too. Never underestimate the Japanese language learning community. They've have the top autists figuring out the most efficient way to learn Jap for decades now. There's a tool/solution for everything.
>>225048452>Vielleicht, aber es wird zweimal länger dauern, als von A0 bis B2.It might take longer but it's less conscious effort. You can just entertain yourself in the language (talk to people, read news, play games, watch youtube) without straining to understand and grow over time. The road to half-decent is a major pain in the ass.>>225049117Is most of your input written? Literature doesn't correspond very well to the written register. I can speak and understand conversational korean relatively well but can't read korean books for shit, since basically all of my input is natural speech. Kind of like kids who can hold a conversation just fine but can't read. Conversely, I can barely hold a conversation in my native language (english) since 99% of my english input is academic register and I've hardly had a real english conversation in like 5-10 years.
>>225059487"a bit" of an accent. Too heavy and it gets retarded, c'mon
>>225064263>Literature doesn't correspond very well to the written register.Spoken/conversational register*
what did he mean by this?
>>225064263>Is most of your input written?Nein, ich schaue hauptsächlich Serien. Ich hab kein Problem mit der Umgangssprache oder der Sprache in Büchern, ich kann fast alles gut verstehen.
Type in English
>read some japanese sites>at any given time 3-4 things are trending>come back to english web>same deal, 3-4 things trendingSo the world is full of 8 billion people but we're all basically talking about the same shit huh
>>225065180The world of platforms
>>225052845‘Couch co-op’ was the operant word, thoughever. >>225054962Oh, yeah?Try it in English. https://youtu.be/BurovR247oI?t=5681>1:34:40
>>225065152‘English’
>>225030099Mar as fhaide chì e air an dealbh, 's ann as fheargaiche a rach e, mar a chinntich a h-uile mion-phuinge ùire rud-eigin a cuir a-cheana e an amharas air."Na seall dhomh an dealbh sin a-rithist," thuirt i, a tionndadh uaidhe, gidheadh spleuchd i ri leantainn air fhaileas anns an uinneag.Chan eil e an dealbh fhèin a dh'fheargaich e, ach a smaoinicheadh—a tighinn aige 'nuair a sgrùdaich e a mhion-phuingean as lugha—gun taisbeanadh an t-sealladh air alt is gun cleitheadh dè a bha air a tachairt.
Is it possible to learn brazilian portuguese when i don’t know anyone irl who speaks it? I want to go to brazil
you have to learn norwegian to listen to metal, italian to listen to opera, and spanish to listen to modern pop music
>>225068102Does your city have a Portuguese Holy Mass? Even Sydney has one.
Are there stereotypical learner errors in your NL/TL? All the party exchange students here would talk about "svenska flicka" (Swedish girl), but it's supposed to be "svensk flicka". Svensk = adjective, svenska = language (or adjective plural or definite).
>>225068320I see ESLangs on 4chan use the past particle instead of the infinitive after ‘Do’ when used as an auxiliary verb heaps of times.
are you team " 'em is a shortening of them" or team " 'em is a descendant of middle english hem and unrelated to them" ?
If I have trouble figuring out a German sentence with ‚Hin‘ and ‚Her‘, I just remember ‚Hither‘ (to here) and ‚Hence‘ (from here) in Early Modern English share the same first 2 letters of each respectively. Then there is ‚Thither‘ and ‚Thence‘ for to and from there, and ‚Whither‘ and ‚Whence‘ for to where and from where, if further clarification is needed.
>>225054434I think reading is the only consistent thing that people do for enjoyment hours a day that can actually keep them engaged, youtube slop hour counts are always inflated. 90% of the time they're not really paying attention, and it's just hard to sit through 5 hours of boring videos. I could read for 5 hours no problem and most readers are the same, just more intelligent and focused. Of course readers would make better progress.>>225055655One book a month is pretty lame, although it depends a lot on the difficulty / length. It would take you more than half a year at that pace just to read the harry potters, ideally you'd crank that series out in about two months.Once you start focusing on doing whole series instead of individual books your reading speed and interest in said books (if you find a good series) will massively increase, you learn specific vocabulary, your retention increases, and you get artificially skilled in on specific area. At this point you should be able to find a good fantasy series and crank out like 3 books a month EZPZ.
>>225055429>Wake up an hour early and listen to stuff while you breakfast and get ready to work>Make a strict routine of focused study and make sure to stick to it - no lazy inefficient study methods, you don't have time to wasteLike that pretty much, you have to budget your time more and make space for it. Literally everyone has free time and you're not working 16 hour days. You either recognize this and do the work or you don't.
>>225069970What exactly do you have trouble with? 'Her' is a movement to the speaker and 'hin'. They are mostly used as separable verb prefixes of verbs of movement. Despite the fact 'her' is a cognate of 'hence' you cAn just remember that it is closer to 'here', i. e. closer to you the speaker. Also the stand alone expression 'Hin und her' is a fixed expression, even hendiady. 'Hin und her laufen.' for example means to walk around in the same spot in an erratic manner. Then there are the more specific forms like 'hinüber', 'hinauf', etc.
>>225070282If ‚Her‘ is closer to ‚Here‘, what is ‚Hin‘ closer to among the spatial demonstratives?Also, my analogy of Her-Hence and Hin-Hither falls flat and leaves me confused regarding ‚Hinweg‘ as in „Lamm Gottes, du nimmst hinweg die Sünde der Welt: erbarme dich unser...“.
>>225068102why would anyone want to come to this god forsaken shithole?
>>225049117Serbrudi... sind wir behindert? Aber ich glaube noch, dass etwas hier nicht stimmt. Sie ist einfach zu gut.
>>225071750{Bist du verliebt, Landsmann}?
How can I ask "can you" in russian?As in like "can you speak slowly so I can understand better?"
the moomins is absolute sovl
>>225072098‘Please’ works in most languages, I would assume.
>>225072098>can youмoжeтe
>>225071922Ich gebe zu, eine intelligente exotsiche Ärztin gf klingt gar nicht schlecht.
>>225069712It's the same sort of word as>give>caught>offer>choice>birthor in other words get your false dichotomy out of my face
I'm not homosexual but I like watching chad thundercock type of guys om youtube like this onehttps://youtu.be/SrpBX41GcKsthey're nice to look at, they have great personalities. anyone knows any chad thundercocks like alfie in other languages like your TL?
>>225073634Why can't I ever see a normal post from a brapzilian
>>225017025A 1950's comic making fun of CIA is a ghetto-dweller thing now? Keep on with cape-shit. BTW, This (pic related) has been doing pretty well there past 20 years.
>>225073634>I'm not homosexual but I like watching chad thundercock type of guysDigga, ich hab schlechte Nachrichten für dich...>>225070125>One book a month is pretty lameIch würde zufrieden sein, wenn ich ein Büch pro Monat lesen könnte. Aber es ist oft viel weniger als das. Na ja, wie du gesagt hast, es kommt auf das Büch an. Es kommt nicht oft vor, dass ich ein Buch finde, das mich wirklich fesselt.>>225068102Nein, nicht möglich, tut mir Leid. Bücher und Serien existieren nicht und niemand in Brasilien hat Internet.>>225071750Na ja, vielleicht hat sie acht Stunden pro Tag gelernt. Ich hab die Interview immer noch nicht geschaut, also keine Ahnung von den Details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62fjKC6_pvMbump
>>225075083Sie behauptete, sie hat manchmal für bis 6 Stunden deutsche Videos angeschaut.
>>225073634He does not look like a typical chad at all.
>>225044635If it's halted, you're either studying in an inefficient manner (i.e you're not ankigooning) or don't care for the language as much as you thought.Swapping to french won't do shit honestly, but go for it if you want.
>>225040789The reason is that there is no reason, as most learners learn languages either because they're really interested in said nation/culture or they would have a better life there.The only parts worth going to speak French or English. Afrikaans and Swahili resources exist as well though.It's not racist to not make something because there is next to no demand for it.
>>225077110you don't understand the female gazehis maxila was good, his jawline was amazing, his eye area was great. he had a broad and short face, thick eyebrows, neutral cantal tilt
>>225066793What does it matter if you sit on a couch or on a chair?
>>225073634That ain't no Chad Thundercock.Look up Tom of Finland.
>>225077278/lang/ is for men only. Please leave.
>>225078867>Look up Tom of Finlandnot even remotely attractive to womenthis is a real chad:https://youtu.be/KNJQhu--mQoand he's less good looking than alfie. alfie got millions of views just based on his face card
>>225074640Blacksad is certified kino, I even bought Amarillo to keep on a shelf.
>>225080114Who the fuck cares what women want? Unless you are a foid. In that case I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
Hey guys. I picked up several resources that cover German from A1.1 to C1.2 online.I originally planned to join Goethe institut in-person classes when they open in November.Each level (A1.1, A1.2, etc.) costs ~$425 without transportation fees.Should I cover A1 to A2 from the internet and do B1/B2 in Goethe for the certificate?I am also seeking a new experience, so attending classes is something beyond just learning German - I want to see and meet new people. What to do?
>>225081330https://youtu.be/aCVsgvu8bFY
>>225081349This time it's different because I want to have Germany as an option to move to after I graduate. I might not be able to secure a job in the Gulf.
>>225068320"How is that like?"
>>225081349The Classical Arabic academy opened its enrollment doors and it just costs like $35 per year (4 years diploma, equiv to a PhD in Classical Arabic) and I let it go because this time I want to stop fucking around and do something with my life.So, answer >>225081330I do work now and can just pay those fees. I think it would also help me meet new people. I think I'll enroll, what do you think?
>>225081426Do you want my honest opinion?
>>225081426>The Classical Arabic academy opened its enrollment doors and it just costs like $35 per year (4 years diploma, equiv to a PhD in Classical Arabic) and I let it goI hate you
>>225081541In one way only: Tell me, Goethe or self-study?
>>225081132>Who the fuck cares what women want?and I'm the flaming homo here?
>>225081598why? the enrollment has not closed. I think I can do both German and Classical Arabic since my parents think I shouldn't waste money on Goethe and master German at home and only enroll in B2 or only for the certificate exam.
>>225081627You're not even a true homo. /lang/ is for gay men only. You're a fucking foid. GTFO.
>>225056602I, as a kid, thought it was (may Allah forgive me for such an utterance) from Quebec and that's why I couldn't understand what they were saying
What's the least Indo-European feeling Indo-European language?
>>225083335farsi maybe or armenian
>>225066793Also an alright version. Wonder which version is the worst.
>>225081330>>225081371>>225081426Try Anki, Pimsleur, traditional lessons on yt / from DW, comprehensive input videos on yt. There is a Nicos Weg series, a guide from Refold on how to set up Anki, try some premade decks (link to Refold in OP, there is a deck for Nicos Weg, a deck from the Goethe Institut, a deck from xefjord - all for free).German Pimsleur is for free on Telegram.Yt is full of Comprehensive input videos.There is an assimil course at Anna's Archive.Try a few things, see what works and see if you can stick with it. I'm completely exhausted from learning and listening to German because the initial stages of the language, learning materials and beginner content bore me (Italian was different, just the sound of the language and the ability to put together simple sentences gave me enough joy to get through the initial stages). For now, I'll keep pushing, even if I break down every other day. Try things out, try to be more or less consistent to the end of the year, see if you can handle it. If not, change the language for an easier / more beloved one, or quit learning languages, because why bother?Viel Glück
I like how Yiddish is like German's little Jewish brother and Ladino is like Spanish's little Jewish brother
Do Englishers have a hard time understanding foreign accents they haven't heard much or is English easy to understand all around?
>>225084810English speakers are very tolerant of non-native accents because we hear them so often. Ironically, many smaller language communities don't extend the same grace in reverse.
>>225085089you kind of have to since English is the french language today
>>225040789African languages aren't even real languages, some of them only have a couple thousand words. They're tribal ooga booga babble, native american languages are more advanced than them.There's a reason english speakers were able to show up all around the world and learn enough of the language to translate for other englishers, no resources, no writing, they pieced it together because ooga booga tribal languages have hardly any words or complicated phrases.
>>225040789Hungarian has a 100x more worthwhile corpus and culture than anything in Africa despite being extremely difficult to learn and spoken by a relatively small population in Eastern Europe. Quality>quantity. Once upon a time there was a bazillion persian speakers and attic was limited to attica, yet which one matters more?
>>225085620>Hungarian has a 100x more worthwhile corpus and culture than anything in Africathe maasai are based though they disproved veganism and the cholesterol hypothesis just for existing
The fate of the Roman Empire was sealed when they got an emperor who didn’t shave
>>225083935Danke!I reviewed German pronunciation, like 70% of it. Like how the R could sound like a schwa, how final plosives become B D G --> P T K, how to differentiate short and long vowels, etc.I also remember shp, sht, and ie and ei (pronounce the sound name of second letter, like ie is a long "e")I have the option of starting proper with A1.1 German or to spend a week shadowing/perfecting consonant by consonant, vowel by vowel so I can sound better.I must kill this tendency to be perfect (perfectionism) from now, right?
I was a /lang/ fraud. I often consulted a dictionary for words I didn't know, and wiktionary to check declined forms. I did not speak TL meaningfully. Instead, it was like the theoretical concept of Chinese translations, only rote memorization of words and rules without a real understanding. With this TL, it will be different. I will not rely heavily on dictionaries or wiktionary. I will not check transcriptions when I don't understand audio. I will make mistakes and you will NOT like it.
>>225086522Are you the Poleaf? Did you change your TL?
>>225086442>I must kill this tendency to be perfect (perfectionism) from now, right?Idk. German drives me crazy and I get very irritated and I quit every few days only to continue the next day and I suck at German, so I'm not the best advisor. But German has the best self-study materials from what I saw (maybe except Japanese).
>>225086573I am no Poleaf no longer.
>>225086624Okay... so what are you now?
>>225086679I'll leave that to your imagination. I don't speak TL yet.
>>225086733
Should I do pic rel. (Arabic academy) alongside German? I will make sure to dedicate equal time to both.
>>225085363>french languageDid you translate lingua franca here? What do you call it in Portuguese?
Is pic rel. worth 4 years of studies?
/lang/ challenges are bad for you, actually. NEVER do a /lang/ challenge. Go to your TL's general and make a post of your current thoughts in TL. Maybe introduce yourself. They may or may not decide to correct you. But this is the right way.
>>225087677do they teach this too?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6u60UVr4Sk
Would /lang/ be willing to fund my language acquisition through gofundme?
>>225087452>>225087677If you reach B1 in German, you might be able to do it, but it's unlikely now
>600-700 hours to reach fluency in category 1 languagesDoes that mean with 2 hours of study per day I could invest 730 hours in a year and be fluent in a simple language like italian or dutch?
>>225089205No, the FSI numbers are misleading
>>225033767>>2250399761. Checking how your name and the name of your dog, gf etc. is spelled and writing it and spelling out loud several times. Free kana basically2. https://djtguide.github.io/learn/kana.html as other anon recommended. What I did was learn two rows of both hiragana and katakana, then the second and third, then the third and fourth, etc. I moved on as I felt confident3. Mnemonics from tofugu dot com (pdf for hiragana i kataka) for characters that are hard to remember. You can also come up with your own 4. Anki. I think I used this deck https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1133476087 because it showed the hiragana/katakana alternative next to the answer
>>225085439>native american languages are more advanced than them.big up to sequoyah on giving the cherokee their own cool alphabet from the white man's talking leaves
>Only 800k words in the series I'm readingIt feels like so much more... only about half way done...And to think for a decent level I need to hit 9 million, I still have to do like 10 more series after this to truly be partially fluent.>>225089205The FSI numbers are based on working proficiency. You'll still do the thing ESL's do where they use stupid / nonsensical words that natives secretly laugh at, and you'll still have a funny accent and struggle understanding things, but in your specific field you'd be able to work a job if you studied for it.The rule of thumb for FSI >They assume you study at home an equal number of hours>Double that estimate>If you play hookie and take time off before you're b2 you start forgetting stuff fast, so this adds to the hours needed>If you do sub-optimal things like your input not being comprehensible enough, or you being a little tired, not paying attention ECT this is a multiplier on said hours>If you go max-optimal you could realistically cut them - anki grinding is several times faster than ANY AVAILABLE METHOD, but will also not make you sound like a normal speakerSo you should assume 1,200 hours for a category 1 language as a base. From here you look at all the multipliers you stacked on, so you could be looking at merely 1,000 hours, or you could make this a 2,000 hour journey, but either of those will not be actually fluent and will just be "professional-level" talking of an ESL.For me I've hit some great abstract hour counts but most of it was non-intensive study, so now I'm brute-force studying like 4 hours a day (reading) to make up for it and hit required reading tokens.
>>225090057>anki grinding is several times faster than ANY AVAILABLE METHODI have 600-800 cards due a day in my tl, sometimes more. that's not even a backload, I clear it every day. it's pretty shitty, I wouldn't do it if I weren't in a hurry
>>225090057>anki grinding is several times faster than ANY AVAILABLE METHODfaster for what? and what's your evidence for that?
>>225090792Yeah.I would have kept doing it if I knew how good it was at first, it's so shitty but it speeds you up so much. It isn't that I'm trying to rush it or anything either, it would have just let me read interesting things faster.But it's pretty shitty to try to do this high-efficiency grind unless you really like it.>>225090808Nah all you get is an anecdote. Worked on my machine, would have worked more if I did it more.Faster for reaching the funny fluency levels, because vocab is the biggest hurdle by far and you need to know like 10k words to even reach a low level of fluency.
>>225090792I thought I had heard that anki is inefficient for anything more than like 30 minute SRS of cards you've mined?Desu when I first started studying I basically learned all of my vocab from anki.
My TL has pretty shitty resources considering that almost 40% of its speakers speak it as a second language.
>>225091056English?
>>225091072Hebrew.English has unbelievable resources.
use this for next op
>>225090834>Faster for reaching the funny fluency levelsyour listening will still suck even if you can parrot words sooner than benis lewis
>>225091200Listening is unbelievably easy once you know the vocab, really only takes a few minutes a day.The hard part of any language is just the vocabulary, this will always be true. Once you know the vocab listening levels come in a fraction of the time. If you don't have the vocab listening will seemingly never come.You subvocalize when reading / doing anki (this happens without you even trying to do it) so if you know roughly how the language sounds your brain just automatically does listening while you read.
>>225091266>Listening is unbelievably easy once you know the vocab, really only takes a few minutes a day.that's why people complain they know the vocabulary and still can't understand movies without turning the subtitles on>Once you know the vocab listening levels come in a fraction of the timewhich languages are you learning?>You subvocalize when reading / doing anki (this happens without you even trying to do it) so if you know roughly how the language sounds your brain just automatically does listening while you read.ok then do that and come back in 6 months with your actual results
>>225078639It’s a colloquial expression for split screen co-op play on a console. >>225083770https://youtu.be/fJI64AMHbgIThis was the first rendition I saw just a couple months ago (because it was the first German one with English subtitles that showed up in a search). In hindsight, it’s full of innovations very distant from the original play; no lions are mentioned in the original libretto. https://youtu.be/IbyBs5z-uA4This is a ~30-minute abridged cartoon. I recall watching the special features of Star Trek: The Animated Series, and they said they were able - at the time - to show a greater creative diversity in animation as opposed to live action, especially in regard to sci-fi and other otherworldly genres like fantasy. https://youtu.be/WyAtvg3SufkThis one is the worst one I’ve watched as it has nearly no semblance to the original libretto as it really ins’t a Singspiel at all as most of the plot is unsung and unrelated, has only 3 songs done terribly, and has an added character for supposed ‘comic relief’ called ‘Grumble’ who is a crow that has the chutzpah to kvetch about everything, and I mean everything. Papageno and Papagena are also bizarre abominations. https://youtu.be/CsIARbd1850This is another in German with English subtitles that I have been eyeing but have not yet watched.
>>225091385>That's why people complain they know the vocabThey don't know the vocab in this case.>Which languages?Spanish>OK Then do that broI am doing that and listening is effortless. I could listen WAY before I could read effectively (I mean effectively, not having to stop to look things up and re-read slowly), and I could even listen while playing minecraft or something while distracted.Listening is a noob-level activity that's almost entirely about speed of understanding said vocabulary.I do do all of this and vocab is still the hardest part.
>>225090941that's the standard advice but afaik the stats show no strong decrease in efficiency or retention until 1+ hour sessions or 4+ hour days
>>225090941>>225091567They're just trying to avoid burnout here because most would quit before it gets too long.But yeah plenty of success stories from people who did it for an hour a day to learn something absurd like 20,000 words.It's not inefficient, it's the concept of diminishing returns. The most returns come at first and you get less later, but it's still better to use the most efficient method for said returns - every other method also suffers from those same diminishing returns, but anki gets pretty boring unless you're obsessed with it.
The way it gets exponentially easier to acquire new vocab around B2 needs to be studied
>Oh boy I read 20k words today, I bet that was a lot of progress>Need 11 million words to be fluent>1 / 550th of the way therewtf bros, that's like 500 alice in wonderlands (I read adult level literature but just for comparison)
>>225085710>this tribe is based because of how their biology was useful data for western medicine
All roads lead to inputInput is KING.
I'm speedrunning TL. Much progress today. Later, /lang/cels.
>>225091622you don't appear to get diminishing returns, at least not within that range. 3 hours is just roughly 3x as much progress as 1 hour.
>>225077191Afrikaans is African insofar as it’s spoken only in Africa, but it’s a Germanic language at its core, having little similarity with Bantu languages besides some loanwords.
