Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.► 07th Expansion links: https://rentry.co/07th-expPrevious thread: >>49916896
First post for true love!
Amen.
Good thread
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Feet Friday
Nipaa
how did we go from 1 post per day to 200 in one day?
>>49933991There's at least 1 kakera where Feet Friday happened
>>49934388There's a really stupid sotsu defender that sounds like a tumblrite and knows how to bait SatoKeifag and Rikafag.
>>49934388Shipperfags.
I think I figured out why Shkanontrice bugs me so much. It doesn't adequately explain the fantasy scenes in the way the game sort of alludes to how they should be explained.Like, in the question arcs, wacky shit happens, but it still MEANS something. Kinzo is burnt up by a fire spell alludes to his corpse being in the furnace, a horde of goats that eat everything and leave no trace alludes to a big firey inferno from a bomb, and perhaps more obviously the Chiesters represent the Winchesters down to the shitty winchester that doesn't work right.But Shkanontrice just sort of says ILLUSION and then drops the subject there and then. Jessica turning into a demon and burning Kyrie alive = doesn't matter it's all fantasy lol - when we know that the fantasy scenes still MEAN something, just not LITERALLY what they depict.That being said I'm sort of asking for a lot and there's really no theory out there that can definitively explain every fantasy scene - and Williard vagueposts for a reason during his duel with Claire. I'm just saying that Shkanontrice feels more like a conceit to duck the red than it does a theory that makes everything click like Kinzo being dead all along.
>>49936006Shkannon is 100% truth, and you do yourself a disservice to deny it at any point. It was clear from Turn, and Ryukishi absolutely stated that it was the one truth for the mouth breathers. Other theories are super fun, but relying on the original author is only going to cause you tremendous pain. >Jessica turning into a demon Ryukishi didn't give a fuck about Jesssica beyond serving as a red herring. No matter how deep her character may have been from her suffering growing up alone on Rokkenjima with a "best friend" who couldn't give a fuck, she's just a dipshit Marisa clone destined to die.
>>49936072Sometimes the big true true... different from the small true true.Anyways, if you're just gonna dismiss weird shit as a "red herring" that's sort of what I'm driving at - outright dismissal's not in line with how the story treats fantasy scenes as metaphor.
satorika in new thread!canon :)lambdarika guy please look at >>49935192
>>49936975Debunked by the interview. Next cope.
I shall spare my niece for today!
>>49938175by an interview with no source? invalid!
>>49938312I don't intend to be a valid though. Stay debunked and valid <3
>>49938443so u admit ur argument isnt valid? alright thensatorika is irrefutably canon :)
>>49938525Satorika is not canon though, being valid doesn't influence that (the BD interview does though).
>>49938570they r literally telling each other "i love you"look at this scene and tell me how this is supposed to be platonicbd interview has no source except for a reddit translation so it isnt an actual counterpoint
>>49938773"Another cope"
Cicnoia news
Lambdarika fag, I want to kiss you.Lambdarika fag, I want to love you.Lambdarika fag, I want to grope you.Lambdarika fag, I want us to love each other.Lambdarika fag, I want to mate with you.Lambdarika fag, I want you to wear a pretty dress at our wedding so that we remember that moment forever <3
>>49938844lambda interview broke your mind
>>49939050BD interview broke your penis.
>>49932920Can't you pick a new OP image?
>>49936006>>49936117My thoughts exactly... the question arcs, or at least the first two of them before Ryushitty decided to hastily rewrite everything because he couldn't handle criticism, at least made it feel like the fantasy scenes meant something. That's part of why I think that even if some form of Shkanontrice was the solution to begin with, the exact method of it was changed, hence why it all has to be handwaved with "lol illusion just accept the answer, and accept being told you could have derived the answer from the fantasy when you actually couldn't have", because the hints that should have been there either weren't or didn't connect to the "new" solution anymore.One scene that activates my almonds is in ep2 when Kanon confronts Beatrice and Jessica gets killed... Earlier, Shannon talked to dress-wearing Beatrice, and Kanon is heavily implied to be the skirt-Beatrice who played with Maria (while Shannon was busy serving the adults no less); here, Kanon talks to skirt-Beatrice who needles him for all his personal misgivings before seemingly teleporting into Jessica's room and transforming into dress-Beatrice... except, there's no real continuity between what skirt-Beatrice says to Kanon and what dress-Beatrice says in the room, despite the narration insisting there is.It fits insanely well here to suggest that Kanon and Shannon are both "Beatrice" in some form but still separate people, with them (and their respective Beatrices) being portrayed as the same person as a red herring itself. Which also explains why the story is set up so well (well, not that well, but well enough) to suddenly declare they were the same person all along- there's already seeds of their identities overlapping, just for a different reason than them being literally the same person.
>>49939204Only mods can edit posts.
>>49939055"interview" without any real source isnt doing anything!
>>49939249The BD interview is not supposed to "do something" bro, it's not tickling your prostate.
>>49938773I had never read this before.This is literally lower than fanfiction. Like prose aside what the fuck even is the point of this story? It's a "happy" version of satokowashi where Satoko decides to get revenge for the homework by actually studying. She's turned into a mary sue where she's a misunderstood popular girl that everyone loves and gets top of the school grades and everything turns out great and Rika apologizes and the whole school claps when they talk.And then they just fucking kill themselves anyway, the end.Ryukishi seriously has braincancer or something. I guess he wrote this right after Sotsu before the criticism copes kicked in.
>>49939299bias will always be biasanyways it makes satorika even more canon so i like itpersonally i dont really mind the school aspect its just a good alternate ending
I think it's from Another End, a cope alt end Ryukishi made after he blueballed yurifags.
>>49939302I could've guessed that, you already made it abundandtly clear you don't give a shit about writing quality or character motivation or heart or struggle. You only care about your fetish. You probably haven't even read it and just found that dumb page "don't mind the school aspect" you retard, everything about your ship is a school aspect, it's born and bred in school melodrama about not wanting to study.
>>49935192>>49936975Rika's personality as a witch AKA Bernkastel was already separate at that point. Bern helps solve Higurashi so it makes no sense for Bern to be born from Sotsu.
>>49939319you dont seem too happyig we can conclude that satorika is unarguably canon now>>49939364was about lambda
canon!now. what would YOU change to make satorika better? if you still have issues with itim curious to hear your thoughts!
>>49939371You're so stupid you just admitted that completely different events can co-exist in the same "canon".The real headache is that you'll probably never understand why that undermines your whole argumentative point.I don't know if I want to even try to explain. Cause you don't even know that Higurashi contains many different worlds cause you didn't read any of it.
>>49939371>>49939381Of course SatoRika is not canon, it was debunked by Sotsu and by the interview.
>>49939422debunked HOW???>>49938525>>49938773
>>49939436You posted a screencap from Meguri and Another Cope where SatoRika is still debunked, not Sotsu, but ok.
>>49939436Why do you keep posting this picture you fucking mongoloid
>>49939418my points and arguments are pretty simple and straightforward its u guys that try to jump through so many hoops to try and disprove itthe evidence is literally satoko telling rika she loves her and it should just stop at that as its literally a love confession hellooo>>49938525
>>49939448
>>49939450SatoRikasister... Why is Satoko killing Rika... I guess she doesn't have romantic feeings for her...
>>49939451>suki!>meep>sad faceShe was rejected bro...
>>49939458Yup, that's from SotsuGou, the work that debunked SatoRika.
>>49939480how???????????
>>49939480He hasn't watched it, he's just got that clip.This guy is seriously so fucking stupid it's unbelievable.Who goes into a discussion about a show they haven't even watched. I'm not even going to bring up the original, he hasn't even seen gou.
>>49939451My argument isn't even an argument, it's a simple fact. The world of Higurashi has many multiple worlds with multiple endings and many different pairings. Your obsession with what's canon is meaningless when there are hundreds of different possible canons.
>>49939486It opened the catbox.Before we could be unsure if Satoko and Rika could have romantic feelings for each other, but Sotsu ended all doubt. >>49939493>he hasn't even seen gouA blessing in disguise, truly.
>>49939514>when everything is canon nothing isi mean author canonryukishi is clearly going along with it and has kept going with the sotsugou narrative ever since then>>49939517u still havent brought up how sotsugou debunks satorika ??
>>49939527In the SotsuGouRei narrative Satoko is impregnated clearly.
>>49939556reiwa manga isnt canon what are u even saying
>>49939527For instance in that shoddily written fanfic tier short story Rika lets herself be killed with a smile on her face to resurrect for the hell of it, accepting immortality as a matter of course.While in the infinitely more soulful, more heartfelt Saikoroshi which is the Higurashi epilogue has Rika reject the witch part of her and vow to live as human as possible, and die as a human without resurrection.Saikoroshi is more canon than your crappy short story (and the sotsugou anime for that matter) that spits on life I'd say as it was written when Ryukishi was in his right mind, it's a VN, and it's in character.
>>49939560>its not canon because in my opinion ryukishi wasnt in his mindi hope you realize thats not an actual point right it doesnt matter since he still made it and its more recent
>>49939559Of course SotsuGouRei is canon.
>>49939581how? ryukishi is only credited as supervisor and he has been distancing himself from it ever since how is it canon
>>49939559>story written by Ryukishi>>49939574It's a clash of canon and therefor renders your desperate sotsu canon inferior due to it's lack of proper character. You have to at least admit that Saikoroshi is canon, though I know you don't know what it is.
>>49939593Nope, he is credited as writer.
I want to kiss lambdarika fag and fondle her breasts
>>49939610its not written by ryukishi, the ideas were all from square enix editors
>>49939622Ryukishi writes what he writes you fumbling bumbling desperate yuributa. You have no idea how much an idea was his and how much it could be influenced upon him.A whole hell of a lot of Higurashi original canon is ideas from BT. Maybe we should consider non BT influence non canon.
>>49939650great but it doesnt make it canon and hes still credited as just supervisor by the endcompared to this >>49938773 which he wrote entirely
>>49939669You're looping. He's got writer credit right there. You have literally nothing left and have conceded also to Saikoroshi canon being incompatible with that short story and sotsu.
>>49939723none of this matters as satoko tells rika she loves her in meguri and sotsu and gou which is canon for 99.9% of people except you for some reason
ur just in denial and its obviouswhat is it about satorika that gets u like this? are u just too attached to satoko or rika?? is that it??
>>49939734>>49939740I'm very attached to them as characters yes, their story arcs and the beauty of their struggles, when they're written badly I like to call it out. Doesn't matter that they're written by Ryukishi, he's not some God that does no wrong. It seems he is one to you though for some reason, though you don't even read anything he writes. Concede that it's badly written already, and that Saikoroshi is both canon and incompatible with sotsu.If you cared about them and their relationship you'd be critical of bad writing too. But you're not cause you don't give a shit other than to push your weird either fetish or culture war agenda. I was willing to leave you alone until you responded to that picture of poor Rika staring at the dead bodies left in the wake of her struggles against determinism with "she does it for Satoko" like a know nothing faggot, not understanding anything about her character and how she dies over and over for everyone, but also for herself. And how sotsutoko betrays her by putting her in that situation again.
>>49939760also known asdenialim sorry a ship you dont like is canon. but trying to find weird loopholes and gotchas against it is just useless. you have very clear evidence of it already. just stop making a fool of yourself. it seems that you have completely forgotten that opinions are subjective, too. you try to push your own "ideal" story, full of denial and cope, into your arguments, ignoring whats quite literally right infront of you the entire time, the easiest solutioncanon
>>49939838You didn't even read what I said.It's not a crime to be passionate.And criticism is the best way to sincerity.If you can't criticize then you aren't sincere, just dogmatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LvDDF6LB8All this shitsugou talk has me reminiscing on the good old kino.
>>49939846it's not a crime, yesbut it does make you look like an idiot when its like this all things consideredive tried my best to avoid personal attacks like that but its the truth. im sorryu genuinely only consider what you personally think is "compatible canon" and anything else that you dont like you bury with excuses upon excusesjust say you dont like sotsu and gou. this doesnt mean that satorika isnt canon, as i said at the start you cant just close your eyes and ears and be delusional about this. be open minded. you dont need to make excuses, upon excuses, upon excuses to ostracize it though.because just off the top off my head, you had>ryukishi wasnt in his right mind>ryukishi only gave passione a rough outline>ryukishi was surprised about what passione did with the anime>its not canon compliant with the timeline>theres too much death for it to be romantic>rika didnt reply to satokos love confession despite literally smiling and waving at her so shes not in love!!>meguri ends in friendship>its lambda actually>lambdarika>lambda seeing bern in rikaand so onit is genuinely so many layers of excuses which are all just stupid. stop making a fool of yourselfyou try so hard to find a gotcha but you just through so. many. hoops just doing that. to the point where you ignore whats literally infront of you, aka satoko telling rika my love for you will never change" alongside many other love confessions.its ridiculous. i hope you grow out of it someday.canon
>>499398961 you're making up arguments that I don't have cause you think everyone you talk to is the same person (an unfortunate symptom of an idiot mind)2 you go crazy at the idea this is written by Ryukishi even though it's a fact>>49939610
Oh and 3 Saikoroshi is also canon (this breaks the dumb-dumb yuributa's brain cause he hasn't read it)
>>49939905deflection. did i hit the mark?your "its written by ryukishi" cope doesnt matter as when the series ended he was very clearly credited as supervisor.he then went on to say that reiwa manga is a very specific fragment that went onto end like that and nothing to the level of sotsugousquare enix editors were asking him to make a sequel with the children of the main cast and he gave inreiwa flopped on releaseryukishi has been distancing himself from it ever since. he doesnt endorse ittruly saying "ryukishi wrote it" is just flat out cope and a very weak argument, not an actual counterpoint
>>49939920You'd think Ryukishi is your dad or something with how much you read into the thoughts he does tell anyone but you. Fucking imbecile. You love the word cope but it's all projection. You can't cope with the idea your yuributa fantasy is one of many canons.
>>49939914all these break your mind because you genuinely cannot fathom these to be possible so you flat out ignore them>>49939458>>49938773>>49938525
>>49939929>one of many canonsthanks for admitting its canon!yes, the main, most popular canon by far.im glad we came to an agreement :)
>>49939938And you prove that by posting Tweets with like 20 likes or whatever. You're fucking psycho and looping.You keep dodging Reiwa being canon. You keep dodging Saikoroshi being canon.
Also never once denied not even watching the gou anime.You literal tiktok wench who doesn't know a thing but to argue "it's written by the writer"
>>49939938Let's cuddle
>>49939954>keep dodging Reiwa being canonno, i'm not dodging it. because its genuinely not true. refer to >>49939920i find it funny how you act like satorika is this obscure underground ship?i looked on pixiv under satokos tag and within the first 25 latest posts (not ai, not 18+) 5 of those were satorika art and the rest was just solo art of satoko mostly in her sotsugou design. oops not really proving your point here huh :)>>49939968Deranged weirdo
>>49939975I'm not weird! I think I'm attracted to you.. ;)
>>49939976just stop being weird to me
>>49939981Rawrrrrrr
>>49939975You side stepped the fact that Reiwa is canon again. All your arguments are your own form of coping with the fact that Ryukishi is credited as a writer.And you're counting gentle pics of them together like this aren't you? Where they're next to each other or they're close. Cause you're a psycho yuributa. Those kinds of pictures have existed since forever. I saw like five genuine ship pictures in 50 posts. I see you had to pad with "sotsugou artstyle" cause you weren't finding enough though lol. And there's even less in the Rika tag.
Yuributa argues his case:1. It's written by the writer.2. It's popular on Twi- scratch that it's popular amongst random Pixiv artists (trust me bro)
>>49940002refer to >>49939920he's not credited as writer by the end, thats all that matters. why are you taking the outdated credits?>>49940012i dont need to do that, its in the story already. its canon>>49939458>>49938773simply just look at these
>>49940002and i was counting whether the tag "satoko/rika" was being used. which means the artist drew it with the intent of it being satorika art. thats what mattersdo you think romance is only when 2 characters kiss or what?
07th is revived.BUT it's because there's a deranged freak arguing "the writer wrote it" as a plus for gou for hundreds of posts. And that pixiv artists drew it.
does anyone have the picture that Rika is designed for standing blowjobs?
i can't believe the scizos are using sotsugou/meguri as reference 3/4 years down the line
So, is Ciconia dead for good?
Ryucuck cannot write.
>>49940612Obviously.
>>49939514I don't know why you bother arguing with that guy, he obviously just wants to push his own headcanon and force others to accept it
Where is Cloud
>>49944241I thought I could make a breakthrough
Hmmmm...
>>49945536The valid.
>>49936117You just lack love and cannot see.You are a loveless goat like in episode 8 chewing at the island.Ryukishi confirmed this.
>>49946614The chad chadpei, the good uncle who fixes sadistic, evil girls.
So, what's the reason for R07 not continuing Ciconia? Is it just the below expected sales or is it him being limp dicked?
satorika appreciation!unarguably canon
>>49938210>>49945536>>49947811>>49948214>>49945216Why is the troon so desperate for attention?
>>49947879Writer's block, paralized from shitsugou criticism I'd guess.
>>49947811Why would Mion even rape Troonppei?
Satoko and Keiichi get married. Until one day, when a black foreigner moves into town. Keiichi has been noticing Satoko coming home late more and more as of recent... must just be work related, right?
>>49949005satorika appreciation!
>>49948482>Writer's blockHe literally wrote only one entry for Ciconia lol And SotsuGou was ALWAYS going to be shit. He grabbed a story that he had already properly wrapped up and tried to stretch it, with a completely retarded plot.
What if the Illuminati warned Ryukishi to stop writing Ciconia
>>49949005
>>49949005Why did Satoko come home with her clothes and hair all messy...Her blouse was buttoned wrong and there were weird stains on the back of her skirt...>Work was just so, so tiring today, nii-nii...
Is there a kakera where Tecchan pimped out Satoko
>>49948799>>49948382Whatever, think about it, the moment Teppei stopped sexually assaulting Satoko, she became an evil demonic bitch witch lesbian.Through rape, she behaves. The only truly golden fragment is the one where Satoko keeps being beaten up or raped, as otherwise she kills everyone.That's what I got from Gou and Sotsu anyway!
>>49949405he never raped her tho??the only thing u got right is that shes a lesbian lol
>>49949452>he never raped her tho??Read Tatarigoroshi.
>>49949482wasnt it said that he didnt sa her?
>>49949405Troonppei can't sexually assault, she's trans.
>>49949895lol
>>49949005>>49949321>>49949404>>49949405>>49949482Clean it up janny
>>49947879Once he did say that it's because it didn't make money and he was making it more as a hobby even if he liked it a lot, but both before and after that his excuse always is that he's too bothered by real life wars (and pandemic back in the Covid years) to continue writing it.
Akuryo Taisan!
>>49949005>a black foreigner moves into town0.1 ms after:
