Sanae deserves a good thread, discussing her admirable traits as an honest and hard working shrine maiden.Discuss Sanae warmly.
>>50081382But isn't it too early for another Sanae thread? It's been like 5 days since the last one we've had.Oh well. I'm not a complainer.
nerd
M-miss Kochiya.......
As an aside, did any of you actually play that Sanae Kirby fangame?
>>50081419Never heard of it, do you have a link?
>>50081421Yep. We've discussed it here before, but I don't think I've seen anyone say they've played it, or give their thoughts on it.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3200060/SANAEs_Sylphid_Breeze/
If Sanae is so cool, then why is her miko paper on a stick so much smaller than Reimu's
>>50081429Reimu's stick is actually a youkai, that's why it keep growing larger. Touhou 21 will be an incident that it causes.
I've recently taken a very strong liking to her.
>>50081432Hasn't it already gotten possessed once back in DDC? Thought that was more due to external causes, if I'm remembering correctly...>>50081429Reimu needs to hit things all the time, so she needs a spear with a lot of shide on it.Sanae's gohei doubles as a spatula because she needs to cook for her gods every day.Different needs.
>>50081432Wait a minute... that's scary...>>50081450Wait a minute... that sounds nice...
>>50081463Ms. Hakurei is a perfectly nice lady and you don't need to be scared of her or Sanae at all. Reimu's just the more proactive one when it comes to violence. You wouldn't be scared by Mario, would you? Even if Luigi is the more meek one.
One thing that's funny about Sanae is that everyone seems to like her... I'm not really complaining, but with almost every other character there are people who dislike them, but not with Sanae. I guess her ^^ energy is too much for people to hate her.
>>50081432youkai cleansing stick tsukumogami youkai... that sounds interesting.
>>50081507i think sanae is an easy character to dislike if you know nothing about her, but easy to like when you see her speak, act and do things in canon material. she's not really all that offensive, the worst she's ever done is sell useless trinkets and say they're holy charms
>>50081527There are no useless trinkets in Gensokyo, if the people believe they work, they work.
Her sexiness levels are off the charts
>>50081418frog preparing to jump.>>50081551frog looking at me about to grab it
>>50081544I think if even the priestess that's selling them says in private that she's not really sure if they work at warding off snakes or not, then they probably have about a 30% chance of actually working. Reimu gets pissed at her for it, though. Probably because she didn't come up with the same idea herself.
>>50081560Unrelated to this but i once had a dream of suwako and sanae sitting like frogs in front of the moriya shrine lake and eating flies. kanako is in the background looking at them with a shocked and disappointed look on her face.when i woke up i searched for that image for like 3 hours, and it didn't exist.
>>50081507>>50081527I recall her being somewhat unpopular way back for a few reasons (kind of a dick in MoF, somewhat inconsistent characterization in MoF and SA, pushed pretty hard by ZUN, upset Sakuya fans when she seemingly replaced her), but I think Hisoutensoku really salvaged Sanae for a lot of people.
*SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*
>>50081644Oh, yeah, I remember her being disliked a little back then, but I don't think Japanese fans ever disliked her all that much. It took a couple of games for her character to develop and actually gain memorable traits, since back in MoF her main (fan) characterization was "Reimu, but she's green and nicer", and that was it.
I got sick as hell last night but while I was in bed aching all over and trying to get some sleep, I got a warm sense of comfort when I started imagining Sanae looking out for me. Truly best girl, I love her so much.
Why didn't Sanae call out Chimata for having an entire FREAKY costume? Surely she deserves a fashion critique too, if Heca got one!
>>50081729Chimata has STYLE and understands how to work colors, not something a gaijin like Heca-T would understand.
Sanae is not a slut, and here's why:-Considering Reimu and Marisa's permanently teen ages, Sanae probably came to Gensokyo as a 14-16 yo. There aren't great resources for Japan, but even for a country as hedonistic and sexualy liberal as the US the average age of sex having is only 17. It's no doubt higher in a country as conservative as Japan.-Sanae would have been kept very busy by her shrine maiden/holy girl duties, leaving her with less free time. We also know she was a mech hobbyist, so that's even less free time.-Sanae was very arrogant as a young girl thanks to her powers, she likely would have had standards for a man which were impossibly high for anyone her age.Ergo Sanae is pure and likely clueless.And before you mention anything about post-Gensokyo Sanae, if someone was dehydrated while living by a natural spring they sure as hell aren't quenching their thirst living in a desert.
>>50081752STYLE? STYLE?! CHIMATA'S WEARING A PATCHWORK DRESS HELD TOGETHER BY ZIPPERS! I'll have you know Heca-Ts are extremely popular all throughout Gensokyo. Sanae just had a lapse of judgement, that's all. Even she'll come around to it, some day.>a gaijin like Heca-TYou totally just insulted me right now.
>>50081782>she likely would have had standards for a man which were impossibly highW-what standards would those be?
>>50081809Own multiple Gunpla kitsHave watched and finished multiple mecha seriesHave played Armored CoreWell versed in shinto mythology and ritualsWell versed specifically in the rituals and traditions of Suwa-taisha, which has historically been isolated and unique from the rest of Japan's shinto shrinesOwn a GBA SPCaught all 151 Pokemon in Gen 1Willing to cook and clean Willing to put up with 2 nagging godsWilling to give up your life for these 2 gods if need be and move to whatever shithole they want you to move toBe nice
>>50081809Back in the outside world? Be a literal Adonis that gets straight As, is a champ in every sport, is handsome, rugged, gentle, forceful, kind, and a little cruel.After years in Gensokyo with her biological clock ticking? Be a moderately attractive outsider with a penis that is willing to make the mountain trip regularly to see her. She just really misses modern human company and can't relate to the villagers.
>>50081782>kept very busy by her shrine maiden/holy girl dutiesI'm pretty sure being a shrine maiden is like a summer thing in japan. No one's a full time shrine maiden. She mentions a bunch of video games, so she clearly had plenty of free time
>>50081864In modern Japan it's a summer job, yes, but she's so dedicated to it that she goes to another world for her gods.Plus, she's a priestess, the head of that shrine as it's main priest, the living god of that shrine as well, so I assume she just lived at the shrine the whole entire time.
>>50081804I'm an expert in inflammatory remarks. Heca-T had it comin for charging as much as she does for those shirts.
>>50081427I don't know what the dev was smoking when he came up with that price tag, but that's probably why this game was forgotten so quickly. I'm not forking over 20 bucks for ~1 hour of content. It's on sale now and it's still far too expensive for what it is.
>>50081915Fashion comes at a price, y'know. Worry not! For the plebeians who have not the funds nor the intellect to acquire such funds so as to purchase a hip, new, cool, fashionable "Welcome Hell" t-shirt, we've rolled out a new line of slightly less fashionable t-shirts. Check it.Sanae's inflammatory remarks have been commercialized. No, she doesn't get royalties.
>>50081918That's what I was thinking, too. It's clear he put a lot of time and effort into it, but I'm not paying that much.Sure, I love Sanae, but paying 20 bucks for a Touhou fangame is a bit much. I'm not THAT irresponsible with my money.I do believe it's on Moriya Shrine, though. So you can download it. I think they put in a new policy so you need an account to download from their site however, which is ass, so I haven't tried it.
>>50081932>No, she doesn't get royalties.This is NOT market approved.
>>50081948So that's why Sanae didn't insult Chimata's fashion disaster, huh? She wants those royalties, and wants the market god to enforce them...Too bad.
>>50081824>Own a GBA SP>Caught all 151 Pokemon in Gen 1>Willing to cook and clean>Willing to put up with 2 nagging gods>Willing to give up your life for these 2 gods if need be and move to whatever shithole they want you to move to>Be niceGot these locked down>Own multiple Gunpla kits>Have watched and finished multiple mecha series>Have played Armored Core>Well versed in shinto mythology and rituals>Well versed specifically in the rituals and traditions of Suwa-taisha, which has historically been isolated and unique from the rest of Japan's shinto shrinesI don't know jackshit about these thoBut maybe that could be a good thing? If we get along then she'd be willing to show me and teach me about it.
>>50081938>I think they put in a new policy so you need an account to download Yes they did for some reason.I just don't see the point of it, the old system worked fine.Worst thing is that some of the games they have aren't really available anywhere else. And every time I try to create an account, I just get flagged as spam for some reason lol.
>>50081978I don't see why either. It's annoying and I hate having to create accounts for everything for no reason.>>50081977I think she's been shown to be pretty happy to talk about her media interests with anyone and everyone, even if they aren't interested. Especially if they aren't interested, because so far no one has ever shown a modicum of interest or understanding for the things she autistically blabbers on about, so you having an iota of actual interest in it would probably do you some good.
>>50081938Didn't the recent Touhouvania re-releases get completely shat on for being too expensive also? Guess the dev didn't hear about that w
>>50081938Hell, the official games being 15 feels like a tad much honestly. Especially when they're closer to 10 digitally on Japanese store fronts. I'd be curious to know if the sale the official releases had during the FW release had any kind of bump in sales, but I guess that's not really something we'd hear about.
Silksong being 20 bucks really did distort people's perception of what a 20 dollar video game should/could be in a post-covid economy.
>>50082127>>50082162it's okay, all games are 0 dollars and you can download them for free, anyways
>>50082168I will NOT take the moriyashrine malware pill. Wait, moriya.. It was Sanae the entire time trying to steal people's faith...
>>50082168Would Sanae pirate? I think she's too good of a girl to pirate for herself, she might take links from friends though.
>>50083501As long as you take responsibility for when your Sanae gf gets pregnant.
>>50083501>>50083512Kanako-sama will make sure they get watered in case you ever forget. It's understandable when you're busy preparing for fatherhood: you should ask Minoriko to be Sanny's midwife.
>>50082178i'd say yes but considering the view of japanese people on videogame piracy probably not, they're really pissy about it for some reason
>>50081809Genuinely love herDon't be an assholeDon't be a pushoverBe interesting to talk toBe self-reliantBe willing to convert to Shinto (if not a believer already)Have at least a passing interest in her hobbies and a willingness to let her share them with you (in-depth knowledge of her favourite series is fine but not required, but having similar interests in general is a bonus)At least these would be her standards now, when she was younger she probably would've refused to date anyone who was any less than a living god themselves
GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND PREACH, NOWOFF THE COMPUTER, NOW!I CAN HEAR YOU GAMING IN THEREGET OFF THE COMPUTER
>>50086797 but that's her life...
>>50086797Clearly she's spreading the word of the Moriya Shrine through the internet! In fact, she may even be in this very thread right now!
>>50088252What would Sanae think about all the anons that are horny for her?
>>50082162I wonder what she'd think of that game.>>50082178Probably. Sure, Japanese people don't like pirating all that much, but she's a smart girl.>>50083520They're plants, they almost grow on their own.>>50088252Well, she should've done a better job at it when she was actually in the outside world... then she wouldn't have had to go to Gensokyo, would she?
granny let her keep the froggy.
>>50088275Frog collection is a traditional Moriya hobby!
>>50088284However, a maiden ought to treat her frogs right. They're currently listening to high quality pond sounds for relaxation and sleep. I think they like it.
>>50088287The Primal Scene of Japan the Girl Saw ~ Mlem Mix
>>50088293Mlemming is for the Froggy People
>>50081993>>50082127Eh, this guy got off pretty good. If you go by the reviews then the vast majority of people liked his game and he's got around 110 reviews. Touhouvania on steam meanwhile's 30 without a sale and got negative reviews.That new Minoriko farming game is around 11 dollars? And the Aunn game where you help Reimu is about 7. Artificial Dream in Arcadia is like 10 and that has a shit ton of content. I feel like 5-15 dollars for a Touhou fangame is the most I'd be willing to pay.Maybe Sanae being the face of his game is what helped him get so much money and positive reviews. Plus the art is cute. If he upsold it and still managed to sell well then I won't fault him, I can download his game for free if I like.
>>50081399If anything it's almost too late, my green girl withdrawal was insanae. I almost started having cohesive thoughts. >>50081711Now's the perfect time to be getting ill, isn't it? Rainy days, warm blankets, good tea... MoF feels so much more vivid now that autumn's finally here. Best season, though and through.>>50088287>>50088293Do we have MeowSynth but with frogs, yet?
>>50088336>Now's the perfect time to be getting ill, isn't it? Rainy days, warm blankets, good tea... MoF feels so much more vivid now that autumn's finally here. Best season, though and through.It's goddamn spring you northpleb
>>50088388HARUUU DESU Y- Wait a fucking second, no it's not.
>>50088388>It's goddamn spring you northplebCounterpoint: >>50088400Has Lilly's dress caught fire there?
>>50088418She has shown herself too early and is now paying the price for making people think it's Spring. Don't fret, Sanae has resolved the situation by dumping a bucket of water on her
>>50088444Anon hates Australia
I think Sanae would be the best guide to Gensokyo. She knows all the places you would like to see, has a bright personality, so she could really show you what's to like about those places, and is herself an outsider, so she can see thing thru your eyes.
Miss Kochiya goes to the doctor!
>>50090714Sanae this guy is trying to get your heartrate through your boob I don't think he's legit.
>>50088336>MoF feels so much more vivid now that autumn's finally here.I agree. MoF would still be my favorite even if it wasn't set during autumn but something about the whole game and the season it's set in feels like a warm blanket unto itself. MoF has a lot of soul both spiritually and in the colloquial sense and the story, the characters and the attention to detail in representing things that ZUN is more likely than not very familiar with is very... charming, I guess?It's a very unique game, no doubt, and very autumn-y. Even the music evokes it. A shame it's so easy.>>50090702Well, she's been to most places, and would probably be happy to show all of them to you, but I still feel like she isn't a true Gensokyo native. She's got a small group she sticks to and interacts with. Though, Gensokyo seems really large, and I doubt you'd even *want* to see all of Gensokyo. Youkai Mountain is large enough on it's own, and I'm sure she'd be a great guide for that place, even if it seems like access to certain areas is limited and you need prior permission to go into specific areas. Megumu and Sannyo chew her out for even coming to their land without prior notice, makes you think how Kanako hasn't ever really solidified her control over the mountain very much, if at all.
Sanae's gohei is feeling festive! It's become a party hat tsukumogami!
Reminder that this dork canonically flies like Superman by sticking her arms out in front of herI would too honestly, it looks cooler than just leaving them dangling uselessly at your sides like everyone else in Gensokyo
sanae before and after spending 1 year with /jp/ anons
>>50094633Anon tries to not post absolute garbage challenge (impossible)
>>50094633Anon tries to not post absolute treasure challenge (impossible)
>>50094637A challenge to surpass Rensenware.
>>50081382Can Shrine Maidens get married?
>>50091849Well, if you look at all her dialogue and how she acts when resolving incidents, she really does try to make herself out to look like a superhero or a videogame character that's saving the world. I think she does actually see herself as the Gensokyo equivalent of Superman.I love this dork.
>>50094678Sanae is a priestess, so she can get married. Even Reimu, if you're so inclined, you could get married to, as I'm sure the Gensokyo tradition for shrine maidens would allow her to. Her predecessor looks eerily similar to her.
I like to imagine she chats with cats and frogs and birds and whatever critter that happens to be there while she sweeps the grounds of the shrine. As in telling them stuff and giggling, and asking them things. This might be schizophrenia (both hers by doing this and mine by imagining this) but at least I make it cute.
>>50081382I never watched Gundum in my life and my closest experience with mecha anime are Megas XLR and Pacific Rim
>>50081824> Own multiple Gunpla kits> Have played Armored Core> Willing to put up with 2 nagging gods> Willing to give up your life for these 2 gods if need be and move to whatever shithole they want you to move to> Be niceGot this shit down pat.> Have watched and finished multiple mecha seriesIIRC, I’ve only completely finished TTGL. I know I’ve seen most episodes of G Gundam, SEED, and Destiny. I’ve seen all of the first season of IBO and about half or two thirds of Zeta. Most of the rest of my mecha knowledge comes second or third hand, from games or other supplemental media or discussions. But I’m absolutely willing to watch everything with her, and I’d still proudly consider myself a mecha fan.> Caught all 151 Pokemon in Gen 1Pokemon isn’t my jam, but I am playing through Crystal Clear and am intending on completing the Dex because that’s actually a doable and fun activity in that hack.> Well versed in shinto mythology and rituals> Well versed specifically in the rituals and traditions of Suwa-taisha, which has historically been isolated and unique from the rest of Japan's shinto shrinesNot very religious, but I’m willing to learn for her sake.> Willing to cook and cleanI have very little experience, but I will try for her.
>>50094692That's cute, even if she can't understand them she's nice to themI've seen a couple doujins of Sanae in the outside world that have her do this, and also have her speaking to the youkai spirits still left in the outside world, playing with them, talking to them, talking to her gods, essentially looking like a crazy schizophrenic. It's cute fanon but I like to think she really did look batshit crazy to everyone else in the outside world. I like her looking a little crazy
Hello to the /m/ colony on /jp/, wait, sorry, I meant, hello to the Sanae thread
>>50094692>I like to imagine she chats with cats and frogs and birds and whatever critter that happens to be there while she sweeps the grounds of the shrineShe should go visit Eirin then.
>>50094680>she really does try to make herself out to look like a superhero or a videogame character that's saving the world.Is she really wrong to do so, though, considering that she literally is a videogame character who's saved Gensokyo multiple times? Maybe her abandonment of common sense made her realise her existence as a character within Touhou and she acts accordingly>>50094710>even if she can't understand them she's nice to themWith her miracle powers she may well be able to talk to animals and understand them, the miracle of tongues is a real thing after all (though I don't know if that extends to animals)
I finished Turn A recently, I'm gonna rant endlessly to Sanae about the lack of Turn X kit reprints and spread lies about bandai being anti-shinto to slander them.Then I'm gonna convince her to make Okuu do GP02 cosplay!
I don't know if I should say this but I'm really not a big fan of how people seem to boil her down entirely to "designated /m/ 2hu", sure, she loves mecha, but I feel like she has a wide variety of other interests tooNo I'm not bitter about my lack of /m/ knowledge compared to apparently every other poster ITT shut up
>>50094962I tried watching Char's Counterattack once and thought it was shit.
>>50094962Meh, it's just a joke, she has pretty of other interests that we talk about like games and science and such, the mecha stuff isn't that pronounced, it's just her taste in anime.One thing that she likes that hasn't been talked about at all is that she's a Dragon Quest fan.
>>50095023Nobody outside of Japan has ever actually played a DQ game
>>50094962Froggies of mlem mlemSnakes of pftbh pfbthThe EMS-10 Zudah goes boomYou're fiiiiine. My /m/ knowledge is pretty limited to Gundam, and Sanae seems like the type that would be into a broader spectrum of things. Like the inclusion of Mazinger and Getter Robo. Hisoutensoku is definitely more in line with the classic Super Robo stuff. >>50094990My lukewarm take is CCA is a mess, and you only really watch for the action sequences, even if you're coming off watching all the UC stuff before it to understand the build up. That general time period it was produced in was a mess.
>>50095030That's what you think but- okay that's probably actually true. It's very Japanese to have her be a DQ fan instead of her liking Final Fantasy or something.
>>50095023>Meh, it's just a joke, she has pretty of other interests that we talk about like games and science and such, the mecha stuff isn't that pronounced, it's just her taste in anime.I know, that's why I didn't really want to bring it up, I don't want to stop people from posting about what they like, it's just that I've tried to get into Gundam before and I just couldn't the robots just look too damn silly, I'm sorry, why do they look like people? Real military hardware doesn't look like people, they'd be cooler if they were giant tanks or somethingIt's like I'm worried that I'm a fake Sanae fan because I don't share all of her interests 100%, isn't that dumb? I'm not going to pretend that I like something that I don't, even for Sanae's sake, though I'll gladly let her autistically ramble about whatever she wants for as long as she likes
>>50095085Literal answer? Toy appeal. Gundam was almost cancelled as a franchise due to poor toy tales originally before model kits took off after it finished airing. In setting? Something about space colony construction, which I know, doesn't make much sense when a machine is a machine.See, you get it. Being ignorant can be its own blessing. That just means you're open for the random event where she traps you and rambles constantly about X and Y, and gets all excited when she gets to explain things from the ground up.
>>50095040The west preferred Final Fantasy while Japan preferred Dragon QuestThe west preferred Naruto while Japan preferred One Piece.Granted, both examples are at least in part due to localization fumbles (see One Piece's surprising growth in international acclaim over the last few years), but it is still interesting that westerners seemed to prefer obvious angst over more outwardly cartoony worlds. At least they seemed to in the 90s and 2000s.
>>50095085Nooo, anon. That's silly. You don't need to like all of the things another person likes to "genuinely" like them. It's fine if you think mecha is silly or something. Think of it as an opportunity to tease her.Sanae is a character that's practically a reference machine and you're given a billion and one interests of hers to comb through. I don't expect ANYONE, and I mean literally anyone here, to be a fan of the Japanese comedian Shopan/Chopin Igari, who Sanae likes SO MUCH that she references him two times, once in a manga and twice in a game. That's about on the same level of referencing as the whole thing about her liking mecha is. (and I personally don't find Mr. Igari very funny, and I have watched videos of his comedy routines)I also don't expect you to be a math prodigy, or a biologist, or anything else. She likes a lot of things. Realistically, she'd ramble to you about things she likes, and you'd ramble to her about things you like.
>>50094683How about marrying both of them and uniting the Hakurei and Moriya Shrines through marriage?
>>50095085>they'd be cooler if they were giant tanks or somethingThat's really more Western /m/ stuff. Would Sanae be into BattleTech?
>>50095141Oh, right. Here's a video, if you want to judge her... taste in humor yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr-gilARigU
>>50095085>It's like I'm worried that I'm a fake Sanae fan because I don't share all of her interests 100%, isn't that dumb?I'm a Marisafag but I'd never run off into the woods and live off magic mushrooms. You don't need to be the character to appreciate the character.
>>50095186Magic mushrooms give you superpowers.
>>50095141>I don't expect ANYONE, and I mean literally anyone here, to be a fan of the Japanese comedian Shopan/Chopin Igari, who Sanae likes SO MUCH that she references him two times, once in a manga and twice in a game.I've read that liking Igari is more common in ZUN's generation than it is in Sanae's generation, which lends support to the idea that she's a boomer hipster who deliberately seeks out old media just because it's old and probably cried about being born in the wrong generation when she was youngerObviously the actual IRL reason for it is so ZUN could make references to him through her as she's the only cast member who would conceivably know who he is, but I like my interpretation better>>50095186>I'm a Marisafag but I'd never run off into the woods and live off magic mushrooms.I unironically would and I'm not even a Marisafag
>>50095164What the hell, JUSTICE FOR MIDORI SNAKE
>>50095200*in Gensokyo
>>50095237No they do that in real life too
>>50095085How many Youmufags like gardening or swordfighting? How many Renkofags know physics? How many Eirinfags know biology? How many Ayafags do journalism? Maybe one or two, if even that.Your favorite 2hu isn't meant to be a mirror image of you. The reason you are attracted to her can go from a simple attraction to her design to an apophatic undefinable feeling you can't explain, and all of those forms and every combination of them is still love nonetheless.
>>50095186Man, part of me wishes I liked Marisa more because I adore mushrooms despite not being that knowledgeable about them. Something about them just gives off this comforting, almost magical, perception. Mycena Interrupta is CUTE.
>>50095233Greenu Sunaeku was just trying to be a niceu gentreman...>>50095221I wouldn't put it past her, honestly.
>>50095257The fact that I have come to like Sanae so much probably has a lot to do with the fact that I've become obsessed with Suwa and Japanese religion and history.
Why are Sanae threads so fucking fast?
>>50095277Because Reimu is boring.
>>50095277She's green, which makes her the official 4chan 2hu
>>50095277I dunno. Go ask the Renko guys the next door over. All the posters in these two threads have been given supercocaine and now have 30 post discussions every day.
>>50095271I feel compelled to ask, how many Sanaes do you have?>>50095277It's the year of the dork. Now that I think about it, it's interesting how the fastest threads have changed over the last few years. Yet, in all that maelstrom, a few threads more or less retained their speed, and Sanae threads are one of them.
>>50095284I used to consider Reimu my second favorite hu while Sanae was my third least favorite protag, but as time goes on I appreciate Sanae more while with each manga my opinion of Reimu slowly worsens. I want to like Reimu more but I think I might prefer Sanae at this point.
>>50095318You can like both, as I do. I think they uplift each other as characters, a lot of my favorite manga moments are when these two are involved and Sanae inevitably makes Reimu jealous, ticks Reimu off or tries to teach Reimu to be nice and not peer pressure her friends into getting drunk. It's kind of sisterly, the way they act like little shits towards each other and then go back to being best friends with Sanae helping Reimu around her shrine and cleaning up her messes.Reimu's the face of Touhou, I feel like out of all the characters there are, she'll always get the most criticism out of all of them, and she's the easiest to find faults with, but I prefer seeing the good in her. That doesn't mean she's anywhere near my favorites, but she's pleasant.
>>50095360>You can like bothSure, but my feelings about Reimu and independent of my feelings about Sanae and I was mostly using the later as a point of reference.I really like the idea of Reimu as this emotional, flawed person who is also somehow ethereal and views things from an unbiased vantage, but it feels like ZUN keeps finding ways to make her feel hypocritical in ways that feel unintentional, and it's hard to ignore the character inconsistencies across manga.
>>50095307Very few actually so far, I just try to be meticulous about naming my files.
Wow, a real live UFO! Also there's some weird blue girl here too
>>50098569Shoo! Photobombing is a crime in Gensokyo!
>>50081382Sanae is going to be Japan's first female Prime Minister! Congrats, Sanae!
>>50103062Priestess, goddess, youkai exterminator, solver of incidents, and prime minister! Sanae really is a superhero!
>>50103062Imagine thousands of normies right now googling Japan's next prime minister, but they end up seeing the O.G. Sanae.
>>50103062https://www.reuters.com/world/china/japans-ruling-party-pick-new-leader-hoping-revive-fortunes-2025-10-03/>Takaichi, who says her hero is Margaret Thatcher, Britain's first female prime minister, offers a starker vision for change than Koizumi and is potentially more disruptive.She seems to be the "Anti-Globohomo" candidate, though I doubt it will come to anything given the track record of female prime ministers worldwide.Anyways, what did Sanae mean by this?
>>50103062>>50103265This is Sanae's year. Congratulations to her!
>>50103782Sanae should probably borrow the Hakurei Shrine Treasure if she's that worried about her weight.
>>50104876I know Reimu is poor, but she's not negatively rich. Debt doesn't exist in Gensokyo.
>>50106279The tengu haven't brought usury and central banking to Gensokyo. Yet.
>>50106296I get the joke, but tengu are just about the worst youkai to practice banking.
>>50106343Who would be the right youkai to create banking? The kappa? Maybe joon? Anyway, is it just me or has /jp/ been really slow today, most threads didn't get a single post.
>>50106279?I'm talking about the yin-yang orb. You know, the thing that lets Reimu eat as many sweets as she wants without losing weight. That treasure.
>>50103062I've heard that she's a big metal fan and used to be a heavy metal drummer. Some Japanese people have been saying that searching for "早苗" is going to become more complicated now but the majority of results still give you Sanae Kochiya first. >>50103821She's going to call Yukari to make a bigger barrier.>>50104876Given that we've seen nothing to support the contrary, her yin yang orbs can still probably give her the ability to eat sweets and never get fat and they can still turn into cats, too.I like how carefree and silly PC98 was. If Sanae were a PC98 character her gohei would have a similarly silly ability, something like being able to play video games all day without getting tired.
>>50106494>If Sanae were a PC98 character her gohei would have a similarly silly ability, something like being able to play video games all day without getting tired.I could see ZUN doing a gag back in PC98 about Sanae's froggy hair pin actually being a real frog.
>>50106412Of course the kappa. They're the most utilitarian youkai(although that doesn't really say much, does it?).
>>50106279Mamizou is literally a moneylender
>>50103782I wanna lick Sanny's perfect tummy
The Wii has been commandeered by Kanako, and, by her divine decree, the only game that anyone will be allowed to play on it from this day onward will be Wii Sports, and on special occasions Wii Fit.
remu and sanae cute hairstyles also aunn is there for some reason
>>50109781Rumours have been circulating that the Moriya Shrine is supposedly sponsoring kappa coders to develop a regional copy / overhaul of Wii Sports Resort for commercial release, based on the one prodigal copy brought in from the outside world, presently kept as a relic in the shrine's altar. A green-haired playtester avidly told reporters that the main "Wuhu Island" will be reskinned into a compact, yet charming, rendition of Gensokyo, with Youkai Mountain at the center, taking the place of the volcano "Maku Wuhu".Although little is certain about the final release, the playtester has confirmed reworks of original sports, as well as the addition of several new sports, including Onbashira Sledding, Karaoke, and Mecha Wrestling (which the starry-eyed playtester, unprompted, described as "THE COOLEST FRICKING THING EVER!!!". When asked about potential legal concerns surrounding the use of copyrighted IP:s in this sport, the playtester brushed our reporter's question aside, stating, quote, "you can't let yourself be held back by copyright in Gensokyo!"). In addition, the time limit in Island Flyover has been permanently removed, allowing for complete immersion in the game's new look.
>>50109781I know floating timelines and time is convoluted in Gensokyo and what not but seeing a 2021 hu on a console whose last Japanese game was published in 2015 really bugs my autism.
I wish Sanae would hold me and tell me everything would be okay, she's just too cheery and sincere, and I think I would believe whatever she told me.
>>50112615>I wish Sanae would hold me and tell me everything would be okayI think everyone just wants their hu to do that period, regardless of which hu it actually is.Granted I think some would be better at it than others.
>>50112632Sagume might just be the absolute worst at it. Or maybe Seija, I feel like Gume would actually give great hugs, if nothing else.
>>50112632>I think everyone just wants their hu to do that period, regardless of which hu it actually is.Ok that's fair enough. I don't know when Sanae became such a favourite, her cheeriness and relative naivety came across as something smug and obnoxious, but I realized my thoughts about wanting to bully and spend time with her were friendly and not antagonistic thoughts.And getting hugs from Kanako or Junko might be nice too, but it feels like it might be OOC unless we're talking about a hugbox Gensokyo>>50112645Sagume seems like someone who'd be a bit lonely due to her ability, and would be good at hugs because of this
>>50112665I could see Kanako as being secretly doting but only when Sanae isn't paying attention. Doing things like secretly packing food for her when she goes out, tucking her in at night when she's already asleep. I'm sure she's sat by Sanae's bed and run her hand through Sanae's hair, thinking about her lucky she is to have such a loyal and kind disciple/adopted daughter. She'd never let Sanae know any of this, of course, because she has to keep face around her. I bet if Sanae were ever seriously hurt though the mask would quickly slip.This is of course all fanon based on absolutely nothing.>Sagume seems like someone who'd be a bit lonely due to her ability, and would be good at hugs because of thisThe hugs would me nice, but you would absolutely under no circumstance want her to start telling you everything is alright, for obvious reason.
>>50112691N-no I wanted Kanako to hug MEBut yeah, Kanako cares about her, both her moms do. It'd be fun (and terrifying) to have them as in-laws. Just imagining Sanae's surprised smile seeing the little gestures of love and affection from big scary Kanako is cheering.>This is of course all fanon based on absolutely nothing.It's true in my kokoro>The hugs would me nice, but you would absolutely under no circumstance want her to start telling you everything is alright, for obvious reason.>"nothing will be okay">"you should kill yourself">"your mistakes are large and unfixable">pat patTh-thanks Sagume>then subsequently getting more or less the same treatment from Seija
>>50112749It'll never happen because ZUN hates fun and drama, but I'd love a scene in an official manga like this where Sanae is injured fighting some foe and her gods step in, straight faced ready to annihilate whoever harmed their precious Sanae.Would have been cool in CDS IF THE DIDN'T ALL FUCKING INEXPLICABLY JOB OFF SCREEN. Probably the biggest bullshit arc in the entire manga.
>>50112782Yeah, it'd be pretty metal to see Sanae fall or pass out after doing her best, then seeing a recognizable silhouette or design element of someone that catches her, and then we get something like your pic where even Suwako is pissed and you just know that the two of them are going to cubstomp the motherfucker that did this to Sanae.I have to read more Touhou manga...
>>50109781this sanny is too lovely (and sexy) for her good (and my sanity).
>>50112794>I have to read more Touhou manga...The official ones? I'll save you a little time.Fairy Manga: Genuinely cute and has just enough interesting lore stuff to keep you invested, worth the read.SSiB: Pretty messy, so-so, but also probably the most important manga in regards to establishing lore and world building that ZUN would dip into later so you kind of have to read it.WaHH: Mostly good, a lot of neat world building, but the ending isn't great.FS: Meant to be a bit darker, mostly just blue balls the reader thanks to the lack of consequences. Ending sucks too, so maybe skim it for key moments like Reimu fucking murdering a dude and that's it.LE: Pretty light, fun village stuff and a lot of characters coming in and out, don't read if you're allergic to male characters.FDS: Starts promising but gets really dumb as soon as the artist change happens. Big nonsensical shonen set pieces over a pretty mediocre plot about an edgy fan fic character humiliating faction after faction (but she has a sad backstory so you're supposed to feel bad for her while she rants about destroying Gensokyo). Read the first two volumes and then pretend it was just tragically cut short before its prime.
>>50112828Thank you, all of these seem good, I think WaHH was recommended as the starting manga for whatever reason, but I never finished it.Sounds like it's Fairy > WaHH > SSiB = LE >> rest, though. what are good official or unofficial mangas for a sad lonely loser to read, a major bonus if it has someone cheery and lovable like Sanae.
>>50112904>a major bonus if it has someone cheery and lovable like Sanae.Fairy and LE, then. You'd probably like the LE protag, at least a bit.
>>50112924>LE's not on moriyashrine even though they have Visionary Fairies in Shrine>not on nyaa>dynasty scans said they'll stop releasing the English stuff because it's officially licensed in English, was about to ask where to find it>yet all the chapters are thereWhat do you mean I can still read itWhat do you mean it's 68 chapters and it's still ongoing
>>50112924>she's just a harmless household spiritShe's so cheery and sincere that seeing her all worried makes me want to cryGood call and thank you for the rec, I definitely do get some Sanae vibes from her!>Reimu didn't invite her to the moon-viewing partiesMean
Congratulations on your victory, Sanae!
>>50113431>squishMan.
>>50109791Twintails Sanae possesses an energy of which I am at once both unsure what to make of and how to interpret.
>>50113431But I don't wanna watch the salt arc again...
>>50113614It's one episode you dork. If it's really that terrible, threaten her with slug jokes if she doesn't skip it.
>>50113614The salt arc is crucial dammit.
>>50103062What will be Sanae's policies for Gensokyo?
>>50117608The Suwa faith is now the state religion and a branch shrine must be installed at all other shrinesFrog and snake noises must now be written as "mlem mlem" and "ptbbthbtthpbht", respectively, in all official government documentsAt least 10% of Gensokyo's GDP must be spent on making anime realInvigorating M&A toward diversifying exit strategies and submitting swiftly a bill that permits the reduction of financial debts through a majority vote A free pony for everyone
>>50117680Sorry, I'm a Tao(tie)ist.
>>50117694That's fine, as long as you're willing to spend an extra 20% of your income as a tax for not being a worshiper of the One True Holy Suwa ShrineAll hail Kanako-samaAll hail Suwako-samaGlory to the gods of Shinano Province
Is this the same Shrine that's in the Elusive Samurai?
>>50117737So you're saying if I'm broke there will be nothing to give? I think I found a loophole.
What does Sanae do in her free time?
>>50122895Build gunpla and watch robot shows, hum and sing by herself near a stream, look at frogs and snakes in nature, the usual.
>>50122895internet shitposting, all the posts you hate are actually made by her to annoy (You)
>>50122895Me.
I never imagined Sanae to be a sonicfag.>>50112828>>50112904WaHH may not be a Sanae manga but besides Kasen and Reimu it has a whole bunch of Sanae moments in it. Aya Azuma likes the dork too so you get to see her in a bunch of different outfits as well.>>50113610It's just a side ponytail, like Flan has, or Akita Neru. It just looks like twintails because of her sidelock.>>50113597>>50117680Another Japanese PM with shady connections to an organized religious group... how dire...>>50121335Debt slavery is a thing that's been around for thousands of years, anon. You always have something to give!
>>50124968>Another Japanese PM with shady connections to an organized religious group... how dire...Sanae's connections to the Moriya Shrine are well-publicised and everyone who voted for her knew what they were getting into
>>50124968>WaHH may not be a Sanae manga but besides Kasen and Reimu it has a whole bunch of Sanae moments in it. Aya Azuma likes the dork too so you get to see her in a bunch of different outfits as well.I already liked her from her tiny appearance so far in LE, so I'll look forward to this as well, thank you!
>>50124968>>50127715Better then Moriyas than Soka Gakkai, honestly.
computers have changed a lot since 2000
>>50132932>Behold! The most powerful miracle of all
How long into having met Sanae before she lets you do pic related?
>>50133259That's a question of affection, not time. And if you're asking that, probably never.
>>50133208A gun is, indeed, a portable miracle.
>>50127715That's what they all say... I'd watch out for any Sumireko looking types with 3d printed guns, personally.>>50131738At least the Moriyas are honest...>>50127758Some of my favorite Sanae moments are from WaHH, so I hope you enjoy it. It's a bit lengthy, though.
>>50133304>Some of my favorite Sanae moments are from WaHH, so I hope you enjoy it. It's a bit lengthy, though.Yeah, I dropped it at some point due to being busy but I don't remember hating it, downloaded it and I'm hoping I can finish it this time around!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>50133682G'night cute green miko (though it's 9:30 AM Gensokyo time so I don't know why you're sleeping)
I wish Sanae would look at me like this ;_;
The girls are sleeping...
>>50134065Tomorrow, you wake up in Gensokyo, in the Human Village. What's your plan to get Sanae to look at you like that?
I wanna treat Sanny to a fat juicy greasy burger. Then we'll order to go and spend all Friday night eating junk food playing vidya.
>>50136799Give her an origami frog I made... it has a heart on it!
>>50137134What would you do if Sanae grabbed the origami frog and started mleming at you?
>>50137207Be taken aback but start mlemming and pbbpbbtting back pretty quickly!
>>50137249Sanae, impressed by your quick mastery of the tongue of the gods, swiftly kidnaps you, flying you up to her shrine to force you to become her husband.Good End(?)
>>50133682>>50133691>>50136777ZzzzzzzDoes Sanae go honk shoo or snore mimimi?
>>50133691It's the weekend, she can sleep in a little bit!>>50137207Pop down into a squat, and assume the frog leaping position. I'll hop around, and when she catches on, we start jumping over and around each other like that video with the two rabbits.https://youtu.be/RlveKVGw0fY?si=wdNj2tlQfZFdyjmr&t=13
>>50137264This is a very good end, this is my favourite ending! Oh thank you, I did it!
>>50133682>>50133691All of these sleeping Sannies made me worried I missed 100 or so posts, and green girl withdrawal was imminent. Halloween came early for a bit, there...>>50134065She doesn't know how dangerous it is to look at people that way... with her eyes closed all endearing, she won't see the incoming tackle hug she's brought on herself!
>>50137395What? Sanae sleeps. It's a feature.
>>50137398Oh, so it's a feature, not a bug? Also... even though her eyes are closed, I still feel something staring at me...
>>50137410>I still feel something staring at me...Oh, that's just these gals. Don't worry about it.
>>50137395I want to give Sanae hug attacks every day!
>>50137410Sanae tends to be pretty vulnerable when she sleeps, and I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Sanae's really sexy. So her guardians are likely keeping an eye on you. Don't do anything bad, anon.
>>50137413>>50137434Of course, of course, it was those gals, not Sanae's right gal. And I never saw anything I wasn't meant to. And I never looked at their daughter in that way. Also, I hope they know I happened to bring a bottle of sake from the human village as tithe. Furthermore, I'm going to ask Kanako-sama about deep suwa lore. And I might've forgotten to donate at the shrine entrance, I should give a little something just to be sure. By the way, did Sanae cut her hair?
>>50137437Good. That's good. And bring salted crackers next time, Pyonta likes those.
>>50095085Thinking back on it this really was dumb and silly, I like Star Trek a lot (even if admittedly I've only seen a few seasons of TNG and half a Voyager episode so I don't really know if I can call myself a "fan") and it's basically just western Gundam with similar themes (although Gundam is more about the military instead of peaceful exploration, but that's not to say Star Trek doesn't have that as well but Gundam is definitely a more cynical take on the future) and similarly obsessive fans if my understanding of Gundam is right but I wouldn't expect Sanae to know anything about it and in fact I would really like the opportunity to introduce it to her sometime if she were realStar Trek has a lot of bad series as well, just like Gundam (the less said about Picard the better, I haven't watched it but from what I've heard it's basically character assassination and people doing really stupid things for no reason: the show)People have different interests and that's fineSide note, why do so many artists insist on posting giant 12 MB 4000x4000 pixel art at the original size on Pixiv? I don't want to keep having to download samples just so I can post them on 4chan and most art isn't really intended to be looked at as closely as how the artist does when drawing it
>>50138774>spoilerTo spite you and make you want to compress all of your images as soon as you download them. Artists have evil hearts and they're all out to get (You), Anon.If I weren't posting here then I'd want the file sizes to be that big so I can have them at their original unedited quality. Sadly, I do post here.
>>50138774Download it full size, open it in paint, save as a jpg. Done. Works every time. There's definitely an easier, more efficient way to do it, but whatever.
It's ridiculous just how perfect a girlfriend and a wife Sanae would be. I seriously do not understand the reasoning behind anyone saying they don't like her.
>>50138774>in fact I would really like the opportunity to introduce it to her sometime if she were realShe is real and she wants me to come with her to Gensokyo.>>50138803As bad as it is for storage, I'm something of an image hoarder and download both the sample and the full version.
>>50138968>She is real and she wants me to come with her to Gensokyo.Anon that's not Sanae, that's an internet egregore based on the collective idea of Sanae, don't trust her>>50138867I feel like you could write a script for this but I don't feel like doing it, artists should cater to my needs and mine alone
>>50138874The thing with Sanae is that her character isn't fully represented in MoF, so to come to like her, you have to keep paying attention to her until you fully realize who she actually is.
Had a dream I was back inside a classroom, being a shithead having fun. Was acting stupid. Teacher made me sit at the back. Sanae was there sitting right next to me, in the back, alone, like an outcast, just like I was. I put my head down on the desk like a sad dog, meaning to just daydream and maybe nap, but then I felt Sanae reach out her hand and start petting my head and neck. Like she pat me in the back of my head and caressed my hair and then she started rubbing my neck while saying "it's okay". It felt really good, like I was getting something I didn't even know I desperately needed. I looked at her and put my head as close to her as I could, close to her lap while she kept touching me. I felt relieved and completely happy. Then I woke up. What could this mean?
>>50139057You will die in 2 weeks. It is foretold.
>>50139057Anon, are you OK?Though I kinda wish I had that kind of dream, my dreams aren't usually so peaceful...
>>50139097Yes, it was exactly like that image. Maybe the sun was a little less bright, a bit more orange. But she was just like that, ignored by everybody else and ignoring everyone else, and I was back there with her, and it was as if she felt she finally found someone to keep her company, and I felt the same too. I remember some people turned their head and looked at us with a puzzled and perhaps cringing look to their face, but at the same time with an expression that they knew the intimacy of what was going on and they just smirked and turned back to the front of the classroom. I've kept going back to that dream ever since I had it a couple of nights ago just to feel a bit of that same feeling.
>>50139057It means that Sanae is a good girl and didn't want you to feel lonelyI've dreamt about Sanae too in the past and it's almost always been positive except the one where I gave her a love letter and she just straight up rejected me, that one felt bad
>>50139057Hmmm...It seems to me that you find Sanae, who is in many ways representative for any outsider moving into fantasy, as a comforting presence in opposition to the highly hierarchical and relatively strict school, which might represent a complex system you are forced to participate in, although deep in yourself, you still feel too immature for it. This means you find specifically the condition of a human moving into a simplistic, arcadian parallel world to be an escape from the impositions of life.
>>50140942Why is Rumia cosplaying as Merry?
>>50142724She wanted a more frilly dress
>>50143515Is that so?
Sanae sucked me dry, in minecraft.
>>50142724She doesn't know who Merry is. She is disguising herself as a stronger youkai, like how some harmless animals have bright colors to make predators think they are dangerous.
>>50140942Very insightful Merry, thank you!A bit off topic, but I like how even ZUN doesn't know what Merry's actual English name is. It's just supposed to sound vaguely western. Makes you think how much thought he actually puts into other names, Sanae's is just lifted from a real person.
Pretend that I attached a picture of Parsee, because I'm so genuinely jealous that anon had such a comfy dream like that about Sanae. It should have been me...
>>50152506>A bit off topic, but I like how even ZUN doesn't know what Merry's actual English name is. It's just supposed to sound vaguely western. Makes you think how much thought he actually puts into other names, Sanae's is just lifted from a real person.This happens a lot:"Hey ZUN, remember that cool thing you hinted at years ago and didn't elaborate on? What was that all about?""I forgot lol"He did this too when he said "Sanae is too powerful to ever be a playable character" after MoF came out too, my only explanation is that the guy is just plastered 24/7 and barely even remembers what he had for breakfast that day
>>50152521His braincells are constantly deteriorating, he's already forgotten about 98% of the cast.
>>50152506>>50152521I want to kiss Sanae's tummy, shoulders, and sideboob, why is she so perfect
>>50152534Oh, and you don't want to kiss her on the lips, huh? Men these days. No chivalry, no romance.
>>50142724>>50143580we've got an exterminator on the scene
>>50152545No no no I want to do that too, I just thought it was too forward!
>>50152545On the topic of non-meta kisses, I'd love to give her a smooch on the forehead after tucking her into bed and playing with her hair. Watching her drift off peacefully, like a cat by a fireplace, sitting by her side. (At that point, though, shouldn't I just be sharing a bed with her?)>>50152564Don't be afraid to kiss someone you love on the lips, though, anon! The first real kiss is the definitive key that unlocks the floodgates of smooches. Very few girls will just hand it over to you, you know? Life's too short to be learning this stuff the hard way!
>>50152587I want to kiss her on the mouth after going on a nice date with her, eating yummy food and watching cool robots and dropping her off at Moriya Shrine, and watching the sunset with her with a nice mountain view...
Do you consider Sanae a human?
>>50153650>do you view your wife as humanWhat kind of monster are you
>>50153673You could interpret her as being a god as opposed to a human, or as being a half-human half-god, or something else. I just wonder what anons think about Sanae's species.
>>50153697Jokes aside she's definitely a goddess in some form. Would that be more fitting, such that we'd be worshipping her, or is it more miraculous for her to still be human and relatable? Or is the miracle the fact that she's a goddess yet still approachable?I love her so much...
Breast reduction incident
>>50153721Sanae herself will have to solve this, since she's pretty much the only incident solver affected.
>>50153770Not true, Gensokyo as a whole would be lessened if her magnificent breasts were to be magically reduced, this concerns everyone and it's in Gensokyo's best interest that this incident is resolved promptly
>>50154434Why and how did you save my identical crop in >>50134065 but also have it postable, also you're absolutely right
>>50154464Note the image sizes. As long as those are different you can post the same picture more times.
>>50154645But how... the dimensions and resolution were identical, and why did you/he save his own version anywayI wish Sanae would look at me like that ;_;
>>50154645I was talking about the actual size of the images. Yours was 200kb, his was 67kb, and mine was 291kb. Which is why we were allowed to post the same picture. >I wish Sanae would look at me like that
>>50154828Fug, accidentally replied to myself. Meant for >>50154782
>>50154828>>50154843>begrudged me a (You), which means I have to give two (You)sI don't like this economyI wish Sanae was this excited to see me though!
>>50154945>I would have commented on your misuse of green text, but this is a Sanae thread, it should all be green!
>>50154953>there's mahjong manga>forget if her tiles greenpost>this is a haiku
Miss Kochiya, I'm think I'm gonna order about 20 of these, for starters. .
Would you still love Sanae if she was a slug?
>>50153650She's a human with divine blood that lets her use miracles. She's also a living god, and living gods are all human, so yes, she is human.I guess the question becomes how godly she actually even is, and to that I say that I don't think she's very godly at all. I don't think she even has a domain she presides over, Minoriko is the god of autumn harvest, Sanae is the god of what, miracles? It seems like her godliness is a thing that she PERSONALLY takes pride in and shoves in everyone's face, but that most people just forget. She's the one that has to remind her friends that she's a living god when one of them asks "is it possible for a human to become a god?". Even her friends forget, so if she IS a god, she's not doing a very good job at being godlike.Even then, she's not a normal human. She's not Reimu, or Marisa, or Kosuzu. She's more similar to Futo or the other human characters that have notably altered their powers or lifespan to be above human capabilities. These are still humans, just at a higher level of existence and trying to turn themselves into something more powerful than regular humans.>>50153697She can't really be half-and-half, one of her great great great great great ancestors got lucky with Suwako and out came her family, she's genetically more human than she is god, she's not Yuiman, either, who is listed as "God-Human". Also, if Kanako and Suwako decide to pack their bags and leave without Sanae, I doubt she'd keep being a god for very long. She's not a native god so she needs belief to continue being a deity.Like with most living gods in Japanese history, she is regarded as a god during her lifetime, and, when she dies of natural causes, she will ascend to become fully divine and probably reconstitute herself in a new form. For now, she's not exactly your average Gensokyo human, but also definitely not a god comparable to even Minoriko's level, and Minoriko is really pretty minor.
>>50155406Hang on, let me get the table salt.
>>50157135>I don't think she even has a domain she presides overMy heart
>>50153650Yes, because she's a human who is also a god, she's 100% human and 100% divine. Someone being 200% of something doesn't make sense, but then if gods made common sense in the first place they wouldn't be gods. An arahitogami isn't the same thing as the Western idea of a demigod, in Shinto it's entirely possible to be a kami and a human at the same time without being half of either. "Kami" is an extremely broad term with no clear agreed-upon definition that doesn't neatly translate to "god", and at its most general it can just mean "anything that inspires awe". Sanae's ability to work miracles is also poorly-defined, but under this definition if she can make stars appear in daytime, control the weather and do other awe-inspiring things like that she's a kami, even if she's biologically a human. That said, she doesn't seem to be taken seriously as an object of worship by others in Gensokyo, SoPM advises readers to not have much faith in her as an individual deity.>>50157135>she's genetically more human than she is god, she's not Yuiman, either, who is listed as "God-Human".I don't really know what the difference between 現人神 and 古神人 is if you use the "god-person" translation. 古神人 doesn't even seem to be a real word in the first place from a basic Google search (I think, all the search results seem to be about Yuiman). I don't speak Japanese or Chinese, though, so I can't really say. Maybe ZUN got drunk, made up a word and forgot what it meant again like he did with Maribel's real name.
>>50157135Shinto gods don't necessarily have a domain, that's a very western view on gods.
>>50157835If by western you mean greek.Even then, deified humans most often have some domain, since they were often deified for their excelling in that domain.
I literally NEED Sanae-chan to sit on my face
I really, really love SanaeGoddamn she's perfect
>>50153650There's nothing here I can add that hasn't already been said, but this is a surprisingly common question for how simple it is.She's really just a special human, and >>50157239 says it how it is. She is a kami, but she's not really taken all that seriously, at least right now. She's a bit of a rookie and Kanako and Suwako are her training wheels, take them away and she's kinda clueless.Also, Halloween soon.
>>50157976>If by western you mean greek.When you consider that ancient Greece (specifically Minoan Greece) was the first European civilisation and went on to influence the entire Western world to some degree, including the popular understanding of the word "god", it's reasonable to take "Western" to mean "Greek" without any other qualifier like "Nordic" or "Celtic". Our knowledge of gods from other parts of Europe that didn't develop their own writing system comes largely from early Christian missionaries, too, and they would usually have been more familiar with Greek/Roman polytheism than any other kind.Wait no I mean Sanae is cute and stuff
>>50166170The problem is that this assumes a continuity between Classical and Western civilization when the two display different world- and god-feelings, the Western view of divinity being as a boundless force or will, any attribute being an abstraction of that will. This contrast is most apparent when once compares the Classical view of divinity, expressed in gods that represent ideal forms of the human body, display clear attributes and occupying bound celestial spheres, with that of the Germanic peoples(the Germanics representing the proto-cultural stage of Western civilization). While the Prose Edda does offer attributes to the various gods, they rarely if ever display any behavior paralleling those attributes in their myths. This was likely done by the Christian author of the Edda as a deliberate effort of Classicalizing Germanic mythology, representing a Classical pseudomorphosis rather than a genuine cultural view. In their myths, the Germanic gods, as well as the Celtic and those of the other European barbaric peoples, are defined by will, as opposed to attribute or measure, and by destiny as an unfolding of oneself, rather than by it as an external imposition. This reflects on later Western theology, which would increasingly come to see God as a boundless, almost impersonal Being, a view the Greeks could've never accepted because of their opposition to the concept of infinity(Aristotle, for example, wrote extensively against even the possibility of actual infinity).I guess what I's trying to say is that Sanae really is cute!
I love my plain, boring goddess wife who prioritises comfort over style! Baggy is cute!
That's not to say she isn't also simultaneously the coolest there is! She draws indefatigable infatuation from the bottomless well of love deep in my heart!
>>50166609nta but while it's possible that Christian Western theology took some inspiration from Germanic interpretations of boundless gods, it's also undeniable that much of the iconography associated with western Christianity was still taken from Greek views on divinity. While they accept God as being formless and infinite, the popular perception of God is as an older man, very evocative of portrayals of Zeus. The common image of an angel in Western myth is also taken from classical inspirations, specifically from the portrayal of the god Cupid/Eros. And if you don't mind the controversial take, it Catholic view and treatment of their saints is also very evocative of the polytheistic structure of classical myth/religion (to the point where certain cultures, when having Catholicism force upon them, managed to keep their prior beliefs alive in a form by conflating their old gods with the saints of their new faith. This is specifically the origin of American Voodoo).This is straying from the original point, though, that traditional Shinto views on "gods" is very different from either Classical, Judeo-Christian, Germanic, or really any European view on divinity. It's an animistic faith, the only one to my knowledge that really even still exists into the modern day, and that has shaped a very different view on what a god is compared to those above examples.Sanae cute
>>50168825It's not that the Germanic gods were thought of as boundless, but that they reflect the Western idea of will as boundless, itself a reflection of the world-feeling of infinite space.>it's also undeniable that much of the iconography associated with western Christianity was still taken from Greek views on divinity. While they accept God as being formless and infinite, the popular perception of God is as an older man, very evocative of portrayals of ZeusThat is more likely based on the Ancient of Days in the Book of Daniel. Zeus and Jove were not really thought of as old. Regardless, anthropomorphic depictions of God are actually to be expected in Western culture, since the Western conception of God almost approaches the idea of an absolute technic.Now, technics are a tricky concept to explain, they are "strategies of life." Basically, not technology, but the thing which dictates how technologies are invented, built and used. Two examples of this are a lion chasing a gazelle, its specific way of hunting being the lion's technic, and Western industrialization, which I don't feel needs an explanation other than the fact that man's technics are uniquely unnatural, whereas animal technics are all contained within nature>it Catholic view and treatment of their saints is also very evocative of the polytheistic structure of classical myth/religionTraditional Catholic practice is arguably itself an Early Christian pseudomorphosis of Western culture, you can still see how prayer to the saints arguably better reflects this idea of will as the divine technic more than the hero cults of the Ancient world, which were focused on the hero as a perfect exemplar of the human form rather than on the expediency of cult practice, which characterized Early Christianity.>This is straying from the original point,The original debate was about whether gods as having fixed domains could be called the "Western conception" of divinity. And the original question was me trying to set up a joke about the various positions on Christology. Like Monophysite Sanae who is half-girl half-god, or Nestorian Sanae, who is two different persons united in the hypostasis of Sanae>It's an animistic faithI think "animistic" is reductive here, although Shinto does fit the description. The Japanese idea of divinity is actually, the way I see it, very specific to the Chinese civilizational framework is emerged in/near. Chinese civilization is characterized by the world-feeling of the Dao, a meandering natural path representing harmony, both between man and nature, and between man and man. This view was to be later crystalized in the Daoist religion. Kami as a universal all-permeating force is arguably a natural expression of this idea since it is, arguably, the very mediator between natural and extra-natural or civilizational life.Scutenae.
>>50081644When MoF came out the complaint around here was that she has no personality whatsoever. I believe that was the complaint in Japan as well, which is why the slut meme stuck so easily. Fans didn't know what to do with her. Hey, she has something resembling breasts, unlike every other character. Made for porn! ZUN fleshed her out and that mostly went away.
I say we found our answer, Sanae is the goddess of Asperger's!
>>50169348Sanae is the goddess of being best 2hu
>>50169348Joke's on you, I'm undiagnosed!>>50170233Why would Sanae be the goddess of Renko?
I appreciate the ability of Sanae threads to talk about a wide array of intellectual topics that still somehow relate to Sanae.>>50168494I like the style she has going on here. It used to be very popular with girls from her generation, but I'm not sure if it's still worn today.>>50171804Them's fighting words, Renkofriend.
>>50171817>I appreciate the ability of Sanae threads to talk about a wide array of intellectual topics that still somehow relate to Sanae.Sanae threads are a pretty good representation of why /jp/ is my favorite board. It gathers the kind of people to have such discussions. Although Spengler is arguably relevant to any discussion But it is curious how Sanae threads specifically act like this... I guess it's a miracle!>Them's fighting words, Renkofriend.Only the dorks have seen the end of war.
People putting so much thought into their posts I have to bump the thread. The crop must be watered before there's a harvest.
Is it just me or has this thread felt slower than it actually was? I can't believe we're already past 280 posts in less than 20 days.
>>50176647When threads talk about a lot of things I always feel like they've lasted longer than they actually have, and I feel like posts I've seen 5 days ago were actually from some past thread. It's weird.The less things a thread talks about the faster I think it is, because I remember every post that actually talked about something.
Anyhow, would Sanae be a zeek or a feddie? Don't cop out by saying "AEUG.">>50166170>including the popular understanding of the word "god"Ancient popular or modern popular? None really fit for what you reference, as:>>50166609>God as a boundless, almost impersonal Being, a view the Greeks could've never accepted because of their opposition to the concept of infinity(Aristotle, for example, wrote extensively against even the possibility of actual infinity)50/50 correct (Greeks, and Romans, did end up abstracting further and further as an adaptation), but any Greek thinker you'd single out is always at least a borderline pariah deviant within the actual religious and cultural norms of their time. The pagans would have inevitably come to boundless reconceptualizations because even without Abrahamism (which emerged from pagan (and, again, certainly ancestral) war god Yahweh worship) they'd have to deal with societal and civilizational growth with all the issues involved.>>50168825>it's also undeniable that much of the iconography associated with western Christianity was still taken from Greek views on divinity. While they accept God as being formless and infinite, the popular perception of God is as an older man, very evocative of portrayals of ZeusEven with the argument of "Greek and Roman arts were the best art references western artists could work with", Classical depictions were meant to remind people to keep their edge in being territorial, including spiritually and religiously territorial. Just any anthromorphizations and anthropocentrisns persisted since Mesopotamia as the relevant historical source.>specifically from the portrayal of the god Cupid/ErosTrue enough.>Catholic view and treatment of their saints is also very evocative of the polytheistic structure of classical myth/religionChristianity was never monotheistic, ever.The Catholics double down on traditions of ancestral worship that every old religion started with (yes, especially the Greeks and the Romans, read the Ancient City), but since Christianity is practically cosmopolitan, they pragmatically try to lean into spiritual ancestry.Ad hoc discussions are truly cursed. Some of the real fun in researching Oriental, Japanese mythology comes from conditions and emergences of amalgams they had to progress with. "Well, people have to invent something!" and "Yipee! Archetypes!" styles of thought wouldn't explain why's and how's of what Japan ended up being.This is extra funny to say in the Sanae thread where her character lore is all about "ancestral worship? Well, the living person is the latest ancestor in line" from her IRL inspiration with a smoking gun cultural history if you're aren't initiated to the insight yet.Seems like the real, actual, concrete distinction between "Western!" "Japanese!" is that the former is very reluctant and centralized in adding (spiritual) ancestors to the pantheon (because lmao "canons". Modern christianity is built on the sin of the Roman Church using power to butcher "heretic" fellow Christians into submission).The Japanese practices meanwhile are more decentralized as to for what to include into the ancestral worship for their country as a community. Practical structure of "animism" certainly helps, but you need to understand their regional ancestral worship gravity and culture to get it.
I like how even all the talk about Christianity is still somehow on topic in the Sanae thread because she's one of the few (maybe the only?) characters that don't just reference an Abrahamic faith, but take direct inspiration from it.She has at the very least read the Old Testament, her spell card references Moses.It's a funny thought to think she owns a Bible for miracle inspiration. Jesus as the greatest miracle worker is probably somewhat of an inspiration to... a Japanese Shinto.. deity.Funny stuff, ZUN. Too bad you forgot about it like 2 seconds after releasing MoF.>>50178554It'd be AEUG if you didn't bar me from giving that as an answer, but Federation is closer to the types of people she's already working for, besides aesthetics I think she'd like them more.That wouldn't stop her (or anyone) from having the hots for Qauttro Vagina, though. Not sure about that Char guy however, not sure if she'd like him.
>>50178831Completely off topic but I love Sanae sideboob and I appreciate any artist that gifts us with a glimpse of her divine breasts.
>>50178902How dare you talk about something so horrifically off topic. I can't believe you were even allowed to make a post that's missing any semblance of mentioning otaku culture, on the otaku culture board, no less. I sentence you to 500 hours of reading the Nihon Shoki.
>>50178554>(Greeks, and Romans, did end up abstracting further and further as an adaptation)If you're referencing the neoplatonists, they're arguably of a different civilization. This is evident from their different treatment of death, their further veering into abstraction, and their different treatment of ritual(specifically the emergence of Iamblichan theurgy, which is arguably closer to the Early Christian and even Muslim conception of worship than to the Greek view of religious ritual). Classical and Middle Platonism treated the forms as concrete and "bound," reflecting their view of the world they believed emerges from them, whereas neoplatonists increasingly saw them as apophatic principles, moving from the Form-Representation dichotomy that characterized nearly all Classical philosophy(with the sole exceptions of Democritus; even the Epicureans acknowledged concepts, although they explained them as mental images rather than as occupying a separate realm) to the Essence-Attribute dichotomy.This also makes sense in the historical context, since Classical civilization was entering its death stage(evident from the general turn from cultural innovation to analysis, the turn from metaphysics to politics, the emergence of power politics(brute force was a political factor in Greece, like we see with the Athenian revolution, but the mid-to-late Roman state, starting with the late Republic, in which a political position was only held as long as someone else didn't kill you for it, is fundamentally different), the appearance of a universal state(which might not seem like a sign of decline, but was a predictor of impending cultural death in Egypt, Sumer-Babylon, India, China, the Levantine civilization which I argue Plotinus was an early representative of, and Mesoamerica), the decline of art and the turn to imitation rather than innovation, declining birthrates etc.) long before Plotinus, so that dying civilization going back to philosophy, which, in all cases, appears in the first half of civilizational life, would be anomalous. >but any Greek thinker you'd single out is always at least a borderline pariah deviant within the actual religious and cultural norms Even if you try to approach this from as traditionalist pagan of a perspective as possible, the only example I can think of being The Clouds by Aristophanes, you get even more of an aversion to conceptual abstraction.Thing is, Homeric paganism, the tragic poetical tradition, the Sophists, and all Classical philosophical traditions came from the same civilization and thus share that civilization's worldview. In the same way that the brahmanic tradition, Buddhism, and Charvaka were historically opposed, yet we can see that they arose from the same worldview, since they are more similar to each other in general outlook(although they might be more similar to the external philosophies on certain particularities) than they are to Homeric paganism, Stoicism and Epicureanism, their Classical equivalents. In that same sense, Descartes, Voltaire, and Hegel, although they diverged from the Christianity of the Middle Ages, when Western civilization was born, still share its worldview and were centered on a common unique dichotomy distinct to the Form-Representation and Essence-Attribute ones.>The pagans would have inevitably come to boundless reconceptualizations There is nothing to suggest that. Chinese and Indian civilizations have existed for ~3000 years and haven't, on their own, developed a concrete concept of infinity. Certain concepts are tied to certain civilizations. For instance, the concept of 0 has only been discovered once, in India. You can see how the Indian conception of the world led to this mathematical innovation. While mathematics are more easily communicable than other civilizational technics, their discovery is still unique. The culture that discovered Euclidian geometry could not have discovered Calculus or Algebra.You didn't add the "Sanae cute" part.This discussion very much relates to Sanae. She is very much a manifestation of Japan, you could almost see her, in her divine function, as representing the Japanese spirit, characterized by the proto-cultures that created that culture and by that culture's geography, while in her human function, she represents the various technics, Chinese and Western, Japan has adopted over the ages. Sanae cute
It's kind of funny to have historical debates in this thread since history is the one subject known to perplex Sanae
>>50181870One can still imagine her with a proud and serious look in her eyes and a wide grin, reading these posts, nodding at every paragraph, not understanding a thing. I love Sanae!
>>50182705I could tell her so many hilarious lies
>>50178831>Federation is closer to the types of people she's already working for, besides aesthetics I think she'd like them more.I was thinking that zeek MS are really frog-like in general, even non-amhibious ones. She'd probably capture one for own use on feddie side, as a miracle.>>50179088>>(Greeks, and Romans, did end up abstracting further and further as an adaptation)>If you're referencing the neoplatonistsI'm referencing the civilizations having to adapt to their growths and declines on levels of population, ethnicity, religion, and local ancestral reputation. When worshipping a grave gets supplemented and partially replaced by worshipping fire at home, which gets supplemented and partially double-replaced by worshipping the communal fire pit, and so on until the generations forget what's up with the weird hearth fire customs they do at home (t. The Ancient City).>Thing is, Homeric paganism, the tragic poetical tradition, the Sophists, and all Classical philosophical traditions came from the same civilization and thus share that civilization's worldviewMaybe, if the civilization was completely intellectual. Western academia adapted this misconception, because it's problematic to consider the religious ancestral worship (and not just some abstract phenomenon-based mythology pantheons) culture always being the ground and the background of the insights they liked (but that were not in line with the structures behind the strict beliefs, customs, and practices) - moreover when, to get the whole picture, they, as adherents of spiritual ancestral worship, would have to empathize with the heretical territorial ancestral worship. Constructing theories was still more of a cultural hobby and entertainment than how it's nowadays treated and retrospectively projected as virtue and the spearhead of progress (all beliefs brought by intellectual ancestral worship (which is like very corrupted and oppressive Shintoism)).>Chinese and Indian civilizations have existed for ~3000 years and haven't, on their own, developed a concrete concept of infinity.Yes, and all it would have taken for the turning point is for someone to introduce non-territorial spiritual ancestry principle into a hot cauldron of imperial history that long overstayed and overgrown its welcome.Ancient Jews had El Elyon as the concept of the infinite they could develop, technically accidental emergent invention: they had no privilege of lasting peace at the time, they didn't realize the potency and preferred the war god Yahweh, so it wasn't concretized. Under crisis of warfare, war god conceptualisations tend to be really anthropocentric - they'd absorb any god, also including any god of the defeated tribe as per pragmatic imperial demands. So anthropocentric that Yahweh technically absorbed El Elyon in the Judaic thought, making the potential discovery unlikely on its own.[Black box space of the historical Jesus Christ incident. "lost-history".com site elaborates both on this (I cross-checked, pun not intended) and the same historical period described in Flugel's The Ancient City. Not an argument, but a relevant reading recommendation]The concretization started to happen precisely when non-Jude plebs (that is, any citizen that didn't belong to the ancestral worship communities) saw (proto-)Christianity, didn't relate to Yahweh territorial ancestral worship stuff, but latched like hell onto the spiritual ancestor El Elyon side - because they felt the need to match socio-religious structure, power, and influence of the "native" citizens. Effectively, it was an incident of religious arms race, and the discovery can be traced only to a pragmatic universal need leaping at the glimpse of spreading opportunity: it's the same for whenever and wherever Islam blew up (pun not intended). Structurally, the Islamists also got the concept of true infinity most right on their own, as there being some kind of El Elyon absorption or Yahweh split is all idolatry malarkey in cahoots with the djinns meant to attempt to obscure Allah, so to speak. Modern Islam lost the ball on the infinite and would only ever spread by subjugation though, as it deviated more into worshipping its schism points that a potential "adapter pleb" wouldn't care about.Judaism remained secular, because it's still ancestral worship of Yahweh, and it "discovers" infinity in itself only in a FOMO on competitors, but that stayed only in mystic traditions. Abrahamisms didn't take off in India, Japan, China because there were already too many homogenizations and deflations of inner post-imperial tensions, and they metastasized. Japan's demographic isn't doing well, but Christianity wouldn't ever become major there despite practically whatever crisis, since Japan already had its inner post-imperial tensions deflated, and Shinto won't suddenly become oppressive and secretive.I'll have to rethink what's Touhou as an emergent phenomenon.>Sanae cuteSanae is, in fact, cool AND cute!
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>>50183750i think you meant to post your zoomerspeak in the zoomiereko thread
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3575980/Fantasy_Maiden_Wars__DREAM_OF_THE_STRAY_DREAMER/>This game plans to unlock in approximately 8 hours
>>50183831But I'll be sleeping by then!
I want to be pampered by Sanae, she's way too cheery for me not to rely on
>>50183463>I'm referencing the civilizations having to adapt to their growths and declines on levels of population, ethnicity, religion, and local ancestral reputation. When worshipping a grave gets supplemented and partially replaced by worshipping fire at home, which gets supplemented and partially double-replaced by worshipping the communal fire pit, and so on until the generations forget what's up with the weird hearth fire customs they do at home (t. The Ancient City).Then why did the Germanics, who had a way less developed culture, already have a concept of boundless will? It is more likely that, since no civilization developed such a concept except the one that had a form of it from the beginning, such concepts are inherit in the conditions cultures are under at their genesis, which dictate such developments.>Maybe, if the civilization was completely intellectual.It really isn't contingent on intellectualization. I already brought up Aristophanes, who was far from an intellectual, but you can really see it in all art, myth, or any form of culture. Why didn't Classical painting have a vanishing point, instead being entirely focused on "floating" human figures? Why don't Doric temples have domes, towers or spiers which would suggest spatial expansion in a direction? Why did Greco-Roman music lack polyphony? Why did the Greeks sacrifice outside their temples, even? It is because they conceived of the world as exterior representations of forms, and thus lacked a concept of infinite space. Why did Western painting develop the vanishing point? Why did Gothic cathedrals have spiers suggesting upwards movement? Why did Western music develop polyphony, adding the dimension of depth? Why did Western worship occur inside spacious churches? Because Western culture had the idea of infinite space.You have to address the fact that every culture appears to have a morphology, with a single "symbol" of the world dictating how every aspect of that culture manifests.>Yes,No civilization outside the West had ever discovered that concept. If you believed such concepts emerge independently, why does each civilization appear to have unique mathematical discoveries that align with their respective world-feelings, like, again, the Euclidian method of geometry, which only appeared in Ancient Greece and aligns with the view of bound floating forms creating representations, Algebra, which only appeared with the Arabs and aligns with the ideas of apophatic essences, Infinitesimal Calculus, which only appeared in the West and aligns with infinite space etc.?>El Elyon"Most High" does not imply infinity. The first time in human history that God was treated as Infinite was with Duns Scotus, with maybe Anselm of Canterbury as a predecessor.Cutenae
>>50183858She's amazing in that way, isn't she? You can pamper her and she can pamper you, she can be your imouto and your onee-san. It really feels like she's an equal, even despite being a goddess, and there's no shame involved when either of you are on the receiving end of love (at most, I feel like she would put up some moe resistance if you try helping her when she's feeling under the weather, trying to save some face before giving in and warming up to it).>>50178902I don't fantasise much about Sanae, but her waki(pai) is easily the best in the series. There's been a surprising lack of armpit discussion thus far, come ot think of it.
>>50184085>You can pamper her and she can pamper you, she can be your imouto and your onee-san. It really feels like she's an equalI want onee-san/maternal pampering but would happy be to do the same, a wife's supposed to be an equal and that applying even in this regard would be such an ideal. I love Sanae so much.>at most, I feel like she would put up some moe resistance if you try helping her when she's feeling under the weather, trying to save some face before giving in and warming up to itTime to poke, squeeze, and smush her cheeks when she's trying to remain sad and refusing a good cheer-up!
>>50184098>Time to poke, squeeze, and smush her cheeks when she's trying to remain sad and refusing a good cheer-up!The caresses will continue until morale improves.
>>50184139>a Zhang Fei line on /jp/I want to play and watch Three Kingdoms stuff with her and tell her straight-faced that Zhuge Liang had magic powers irl.>picThis hurts meI just want to take this dork to nice places and make memories together as we live each day side by side>Error: Duplicate file exists. here.>Error: Duplicate file exists. here.
>>50184179>>Error: Duplicate file exists. here.The only issue with Sanae threads consistently having high image counts is that despite you wanting to post a cool image, someone will have probably posted it before you.
>>50184196>fondly read through Sanae threads but forget to save the 53 trillion images>already have Sanae subfolders for hentai and ecchi-leaning pics and ones that are just a wholesome dork>thread archives and I can't just expand all images via extension and save them easily anymoreI need to hoard all of them like a dragon>despite you wanting to post a cool image, someone will have probably posted it before you.I want to request more pics like >>50184139 where she's conveying affection of some sort, where it's a nice niche that everyone hopefully has some pics of, but I don't want to be needy.>need to make an affection subfolder for rainy daysSanae's really such a treasure.
>>50184289I love this picture. The depression on the letter makes it, she's hold it so tight. So cute.
>>50184469She's such a dork, I love it. How could you say no to a face like that?
>>50183463>FlugelWhoops I'm dyslexic, it's Fustel.>>50183952>No civilization outside the West had ever discovered that conceptRefuted by existence of Jainists that, by their cosmology around the infinite, developed maths in Surya Prajnapti that elaborated on five definitions of infinity.Either this is convergent evolution or the Western thought took after Jainists.Shame on me for not learning this sooner.I suppose Christianity didn't take off in India also because they already had the infinite.>Then why did the Germanics, who had a way less developed culture, already have a concept of boundless will?That's in line with what I said, since evidently the Germanics at the time didn't concretize that enough for it to become clarified as so infinite that it's accessible for anyone, as much as Christian God would be.I don't buy into concept of some unique soul of the nation, since that's ad hoc for the rhizomatic happenstances and causality; outsider people can integrate well, ad hoc can't even anticipate changes or identify maladaptions, and the "national gestalt" is too volatile to be real as a core: ask some people from before the end of WW2 what's the gestalt of the Japanese, and you'd inevitably get descriptions of Japan in relation to domestic imperialism. Ask this for people from modern era, and you're not even guaranteed to hear about the shogunate, much less about something as warfare as a phenomenon Japan had been in - and yet you'd get somethings, still.>It is because they conceived of the world as exterior representations of forms, and thus lacked a concept of infinite space.I'm not seeing the causal and logical links here. I see it as "they just didn't end up doubling down on them because they didn't see much value," like with their steam engine. Concept of infinite space is rather antagonistic to their territorial ancestral worship customs that even forbade selling real estate, as it's sacred. The land extends only as far as there is ancestral worship marking it.Exterior representations as a phenomenon only mattered when representation of domestic worship was needed (see: Terminus). Verticality wasn't cared about right until they placed a Terminus upright over the grave.They would interpret Platonism as "actually, the idea of a rock is as sacred as your beloved ancestors! And your Terminus you worship through may be the conduit to worship the idea of Terminus, not your ancestors!">Why did Western painting develop the vanishing point? I had read Euclid's Optics before and I just read it again, technically the Greeks were first. Combine Optics, Stenographia, vase art foreshortening, and they had a proper perspective system that didn't end up being integrated as a whole before Ancient Greece faded as a civilization. It's actually surprising the West didn't end up adding the ready 2+2+2 together a millennium earlier.>"Most High" does not imply infinity. It implies being boundless since it's still above whatever god. Boundlessness as a concept inevitably leads to concept of the infinite.Boundlessly cute Sanae.
>>50184469Did someone say depression?
>>50184835>Surya PrajnaptiThat relates to the Indian conception of time, not space, though I should've been more specific. Indian civilization may have sometimes intuited spatial infinity, but only as a very large, but still finite space. Pretty much every civilization had a concept of eternity, though some were more averse to it than others.The reason this matters is because we perceive ourself more easily as occupying a space than a time. This explains why the only civilization to treat infinity mathematically began with a conception of it that could be imposed on space.>I don't buy into concept of some unique soul of the nationIt depends on what you mean by "soul," but I don't think that's necessary. Civilizations historically act like organisms, at least to some degree, and we can see how art, religion, philosophy and science in every civilization has particular characteristics, and can trace those characteristics to the environment that gave birth to that civilization, like the proto-cultures it emerged from and the terrain it emerged in. >It's actually surprising the West didn't end up adding the ready 2+2+2 together a millennium earlier.There's an explanation for that, the civilization of the Eastern Mediterranean from 0 to 1000 didn't hold to the conception of the world as infinite space. Civilizations may develop every "ingredient" for such cultural innovations yet never develop the innovation, and this is fully explained by the conditions in which that civilization emerged. The Chinese were able to navigate the Indian Ocean yet they never went on to colonize, Euclid anticipated calculus but never discovered it.By contrast, all Western art is about creating a sensation of distance, a feeling which is completely absent form Classical, Byzantine and Middle Eastern art.>Boundlessness as a concept inevitably leads to concept of the infinite.We don't actually know. We know certain concepts only appeared historically in certain cultures, and while that doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't have appeared in others, there's nothing to prove they could. For instance, God's boundlessness, in the Middle Eastern and Eastern Mediterranean civilization, historically, was not conceptualized as infinity, but as freedom from fate.Boundless Sanae. Endlessly marching towards the archive and beyond!
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See you in a week. Or two. Or three. Definitely not four. Preferably two and a half.
I want to play FMW with Sanae!
