https://mangadex.org/chapter/43657162-8fb1-4213-8d88-01b7bd8ea39a
Nice
Yes, Marisa. I played Metal Gear Solid 3, too.
>>50124695yet another chapter of Marisa being cute
New Mamizou outfit?
Look at her sipping wine
>>50125000too bad this is probably the most we'll see of the 20hus ever
>>50125018They'll be the focus of the next CDS arc and 20.5, truth!
>>50125018I can see ZUN whipping out someone from 20 for a whale chapter like he did with Biten(lol) I miss when Sannyo popped up, maybe Ubame can appear if she makes a return
>>50124685Why does Sanae look cuter than any of the other characters in that picture? How does she do it?
>>50125072>a whale chapterHalf a chapter.
>>50125072I'm not expecting to see either Ubame or Chimi, both are massively antisocial and stay in the sanctuary.Nareko has a slim chance now that she doesn't need to guard the pyramid anymore, but she's a character who doesn't know very much so ZUN can't use her as a mouthpiece or anything. Yuiman maybe has a shot in a Kanako-connected chapter. Ariya's also antisocial so I doubt she'll get a shot. Nina has a halfway decent chance just because ZUN could use her for any sort of gullible 'Nina immediately hops on board a dumbass trend because someone told her it was true' arc.
WHALETITS!!!!
>>50125100Aya would absolutely love to sink her claws into her, and Reimu and Marisa are going to have to shoo the crow because they've promised to take Nina under their wings.Sad thing is I could see Aya succeeding given how LE chapters tend to go
this time something will actually happen. It will be an actual lightning youkai and Reimu, Marisa and Sanae will have to defeat it together
>lightningIkubros, it may be our time
>>50125335>actual lightning youkailol. lmao even
>>50125335>this time something will actually happen.good joke
I was half joking before about Marisa being the new main character of this manga but holy shit, it's too blatant now. Everyone else feels like a secondary character.
>>50125335>Reimu, Marisa, and SanaeYou mean Reimu and Sanae while Marisa sits behind the cuck rock and watches
>>50125472Better than the t*ngu or the 'coon, tbdesu>>50125484Banana hair
>>50125492>spoilergood source of potassium
>>50125335AnonWhaletits manga is for comfy little things. No grand fight is going to happen
>>50125072>>50125100I could see Ariya getting a spotlight if Mokou is involved, just to finally resolve that whole thing. I'd also give her a small chance of showing up or at least being referenced if Kanako gets a chapter.
>>50125492Mamizou is here though, as forced as ever.
>>50125484Oh, and what did Sanae do during CDS again? Tie up an innocent person that wasn't resisting and then fucking job? We don't even get to see what happens to her, Mizuchi presumably just dumps her in a ditch when she moves on to more important things.Marisa had it rough in CDS but it was straight up a Moriya humiliation ritual.
>>50125335Look at the first panel, the colour of the cloud?Unzan's just brapping on the village for fun https://youtu.be/VUepVrd8wug?t=27
Let me guess, Reimu and Sanae will be portrayed as being in the wrong for daring to do their job and promote their shrine, just like 99% of all shrine maiden ploys made since 2005 or so. ZUN is too predictable.
>>50125530the truth of the matter is that it was an humiliation ritual for anyone involved in that manga
>>50125539I'm guessing right now that Mamizou just told Marisa the underlying principles behind outside world lightning rods and that it'll succeed where Reimu and Sanae's charms fail, another common Marisa W along with her mosquito repellent.
>>50125553Not true, Byakuren came out completely unscathed and was smug the whole time from how much in control of the situation she was during her time on-screen. Unless you count her being extra condescending and judgmental towards others this time around as humiliation to her character.
>>50125611it's pretty accurate to her floatan portrayal, really CDS works if you just imagine it as a fightan decimal game
>>50125611Isn't her being condescending and judgmental her actual character though?
>>50125611Byakuren's playing dead trick was genuinely really dumb (and had already been done a few volumes earlier) and only worked because the plot handed Mizuchi the idiot ball. Mizuchi knew about that type of ploy, she even suggested it when she was possessing Kaguya.
Mesugaki ghost on hiatus? It's been months since last chapter
>>50125659ZUN realized it was a flop and abandoned it.
>>50125628Not in UFOMuch like Nitori becoming a boring retarded jew in the floatans because that was apparently ZUN's "true vision" of her, Byakuren's initial portrayal also changed drastically
>>50125632It doesn't matter why it worked, what matters is that it did and she came out looking good. Fighting Flandre was also nothing for her, unlike say, Marisa.
>>50125659New chapter after October, so by the end of November
>>50125665Nigger Byakuren is literally introduced as making baseless assumptions and acting incredibly judgemental towards the protags. The youkai Jesus meme was always secondary shit.
>>5012505420.5 will be the fighter. Think tasofro is gonna hand development to arcsys or will they just reskin the decades old game again
>>50125705if only tasofro didn't shrivel up and die, 18.7 could have been an ability card fightan similar to soku
You just know she peed herself a little right there.
>>50125705touhou is never going to be big enough to get an arcsys game anon
>>50125627CDS doesn't work in any capacity, man. 6 years of pure agony and all because it's attached to a franchise I fell in love with in 2008 and now can't get out of. I have to eat everything ZUN serves me no matter how shit it is.
>>50125665>>50125693Oh and also Nitori was always two-faced. Marisa even called her out on it in MoF. Shy Nitori was always a misread and SA cements her as the type of person to abuse power the instant she has it.
>>50125342>>50125343Iku :)
>>50125721>You just know she peed herself a little right there.Hot
>>50125723I'll accept French bread doing it. Chance for them to go back to their roots
>>50125725I like CDS though... I don't really get what's that bad about it and the hate is pretty hyperbole with nostalgia tinted glasses.Character assassination my ass, they were always smug assholes to begin with.
>>50125725Suika will never recover from the damage CDS did to her reputation assuming anyone read CDS
>>50125757What happened to her again?
>>50125757>SuikaSuika was an asshole that beat random youkai for no good reason other than her ego. Also she's an oni with different morals so it isn't illogical nor a character assassination
>>50125764Tricked and betrayed Mizuchi and got her vored.
>>50125764Let mizuchi die but mizuchi is apparently confused because that didn't happen. It's unknown if she even spoke to suika then
>>50125757>>50125773>>50125776Mizuchi had it coming, both for falseflagging on both sides, and for thinking an Oni would help her with her deceits
>>50125764She was against the barrier and happened to save Mizuchi from an attack by youkai once, so she had Mizuchi help her (basically forced her by saying either help me or die) do faleflag attacks against humans to try and prevent the barrier from being set upthe plan went to shit eventually, the barrier got put up, mizuchi became known as a traitor to the hakurei family and everyone else, so the youkai hunted her down. Suika came to see her right before she was killed and basically said that she couldn't save her, and then she leaves and the youkai tear mizuchi to shredssomewhere around that point, the hakurei shrine maiden of the time slaughters the entire youkai mob that killed mizuchi, finds the vengeful spirit mizuchi, and tries to forgive her and bring her back to the hakurei side (however that works) but mizuchi refuses and swears her grudge against the shrine, so she's sealed
>>50125788The shrine maiden found mizuchi before they could tear her apart, mokou and tewi confirm this
>>50125812Canonically, Mizuchi was yuri mommydommed to death.
>>50125812That was never confirmed though? It was very vague and up for interpretation with the mountain of youkai corpses behind Grandma Hakurei.Even Mokou wasn't 100% sure as she was just a third-party spectator.
>>50125820Post it
>>50125820Nah, she got titmogged by the youkai mob and died of envy
>>50125812no it doesn't, unless you think mizuchi managed to slaughter all those youkai by herself while injured
>>50125693>>50125730So it wasn't that ZUN got worse, it's that the fans always had better ideas.
>>50125693>>50125730>introduced as making baseless assumptions and acting incredibly judgemental towards the protagsWeren't the protagonists the ones that did that even before meeting her?Byakuren literally just wants humans and youkai to get along, of course she's going to disagree with literal youkai exterminators.Not to mention this is literally ZUN's comment regarding Byakuren in UFO from the fortune slip:>In the original story, she acts like an overly nice person, but that's probably because she abandoned her human desires in the past.So yes Byakuren's character did change from UFO to HM regardless if your revisionismAnd Nitori in the floatans being how ZUN truly sees her is something ZUN said himself, implying a portrayal change as well.Go sit on a dick.
>Learn more about a person>They aren't a wholesome goody two-shoes all the timeThis is just reality
Why do you need to hijack a thread about a decent manga to talk about a shitty one?
>>50125861Who are you quoting
>>50125867my inner demons
>>50125866As far as I love Lotus Eaters and its monthly cute whales, there isn't a lot of stakes/plot to theorise about
>>50125840Titmogged to death? Grim. Marisa needs to watch herself.
>>50125747The selling point of a cool mystery was abandoned pretty quickly in favor of a poorly formatted battle shonen, the pacing was screwed up by the artist swap, Mizuchi is a hard character to get behind when she just feels ripped out of a bad grimsokyo revenge power fantasy that just kind of exists to rip through characters you probably actually like. The themes are confused and underdeveloped.It's easy to look at battle shonen and think "oh yeah it's just the fight fight genre the plot is just an excuse to get to fights", but in truth it's narrative stakes and the thematic weight of opposing philosophical stances that make battles in shonen so engaging. The issue is that Mizuchi's anti-Gensokyo stance is only developed enough to give her a thin excuse to rampage, while Reimu is only slapped with the opposing "Gensokyo good actually" argument at the very last second of the story. Reimu makes this grand statement but because the story dedicated literally no time to developing her side of the argument it comes across as flat and unsubstantiated. It results in a final confrontation that feels like it has zero narrative weight. It's just "they fight and Reimu forces the loser to play nice".
>>50125866This thread has already lasted about 20 posts longer than the average LE chapter thread does
>>50125870Take some medicine then
>>50125850Anon are you seriously mad that your retarded youkai Jesus mommy was shitty fan fiction?If you want a big good morally upright character Eiki is right there.
>>50125895NTA but I want to fuck Eiki
>>50125812Dude what are you talking about? Its clear that Shrine maiden finds Mizuchi when she is already a vengeful spirit. Youkai corpses in that scene are Mizuchi doing.Hakurei run as fast as she could to defend her masters like a good obedient dog she is.
>>50125874Okay but why can't you go make a CDS thread and ruin that?
Namusan~
>>50125884I have never read a shounen that didn't instantly bore me by spending far too long on fightan and too little time on the stakes, honestly.
>>50125909I made this thread...
>>50125851>Weren't the protagonists the ones that did that even before meeting her?Depends. You actually select your character's motives depending on your shot choice, with the general categories being:Investigate out of obligation:Sanae and ReimuInvestigate out of greed:Reimu and MarisaInvestigate to satisfy curiosity:Marisa and SanaeEven if your protag confront Byakuren with less selfish intentions she consistently refuses to believe anything outside has changed and is always rather condescending. The youkai favoring angle was always there.
>>50125903Black.
>>50125928mmmm no
>>50125884I think Mizuchi not having thought out her position could work, if she was up against someone other than Reimu. Make that the point and have it lampshade by characters, Mizuchi doesn't really care, she just wants a justification for her grudge.Reimu doesn't strike he as the chatty type or a person who tries to justify herself all that much, and as you say the story doesn't really try to justify her position either.
>>50125492>Banana hairIt's just her Bananza form.
>>50125895Eiki is evil and corrupt though
everyone is le evil and le asshole
>>50126016But at the same time the are cute and sexy
Lewdsokyo canon
>>50126008The only evidence of that is a short joke on an inconsequential ability card. Everything else points to Eiki being a harsh but fair beacon of justice. At the very least, she sincerely believes in her organization's idea of justice.
But what about dishwashers
>>50125884I can agree about the pacing being thrown out after the artist change, but I disagree with everything else.I've said it in the Mizuchi thread but Mizuchi as a character seeks to maintain the balance of Humans and Youkai forever fighting while Reimu seeks to maintain the balance of Humans and Youkai coexisting somewhat peacefully. This is the main conflict between the two. I don't think it's a 100% grimsokyo revenge power fantasy as Mizuchi herself admits she can't do anything about it and that she's just raging against the system for the heck of it during her conversation with Yuugi. She consistently goads Reimu into exterminating her and is surprised when her 2nd sealing is postponed.Reimu herself was conflicted from the moment she heard about Miyadeguchi from Nazrin. Given her usual mercy towards youkai and Mizuchi's monologue at the end, Reimu was never going to exterminate Mizuchi and Satori's lore dump merely confirmed it for her. Reimu was going to solve it the usual way she solved incidents. The epilogue of the volume seems to confirm Reimu's thoughts about the current state of Gensokyo. Though a few factions are not happy with how it ended, Satori and Yukari being the obvious ones, but as they were the ones that enforced Mizuchi's jail sentence to begin with it's inevitable.
>>50126051They're all preoccupied thinking of ways to exploit the populace's fear of lightning right now.Did you even read the chapter, anon?
>>50126051Why don't we just make Mizuchi the sole dishwasher for the entire human village until she's sufficiently atoned for her crimes?
>>50126051That ESL killed his own mom so he had to buy a dishwasher to replace her
>>50126133grim
>>50126090Thats really weird interpretation. You make it look as if Mizuchi was some sort of Khornate fanatic rather than some weakling who got betrayed by people who trusted her when they revealed their true colors.And Reimu was completely schizophrenic about the whole thing. He monologue is utter nonsense that shows that she is either delusional or outright hypocrite mocking Mizuchi.
>>50126133>>50126158speak of the devil and he shall appear
>>50126180Hakurei apologist cope at its finest.
>>50126193get off the computer mizuchi
>>50126209Only after you get Youkai cock out of your mouth.
>>50126158I wouldn't call Reimu a schizophrenic as she doesn't change her position or hallucinate anything.Sure, she's not talkative but I don't think Reimu would try to protect Gensokyo is she didn't think preserving it was a good thing. She's not as angsty and tortured as some fanworks make her out to be.
>>50126237people like to pretend Reimu doesn't care about the villagers and only exists to do Yukari's dirty work when it's been spelled out for years that that isn't the case
>>50126219That's easy, since all the youkai are girls and it wasn't there to begin with as such!
>>50126267If she did care, she'd stop being the Sages' bitch a long time ago.
Futasokyo
>>50126291grimspic and yurispammer are eternal enemies...
>>50126267Miko says it herself, Reimu wants peace without violence. Which is literally her goal during the events of CDS, a goal which she eventually meets.Even if she threatens Mizuchi and ends up fighting her, she spares her life. Which is contrary to what Yukari wanted.
>>50126281she actively defied Yukari in CDS though
>>50126318Dealing with the threat to youkaidom in a slightly different way barely counts. wake me up when she starts sending the villagers to the Outside world, or actively helping outsiders survive.
>>50126339>helping outsidersLOL LOOK AT THIS DIRTY GAIJIN JEET AND LAUGH
Why are grimniggers always spics
>>50126319What does it mean? This like is utter nonsense.Get away with exactly what?Its hilarious how she spews all that crap but doesnt give a single argument that supports it.
>>50126354Latin America is a grim place to live
>>50126370Do they have dishwhasers in there?Truly grim
>>50126364>With exactly whatShe says "anything as long as you're human", anon, english doesn't seem your strong suit
>>50126352If only those were jeets. Most of the time it's pure nipponese NEETs and lost children.Why do you want those to get eaten?
>>50126380What exactly is anything? Any example of that "anything" that humans get away, that makes gensokyo so fantastic for them?And work on your reading comprehension.
>>50125884After the genre flip, the mystery switched to what Mizuchi motives were. There were 2 moments where it was almost revealed to the reader before it actually happening.One interesting piece is Mizuchi was served ice cream in the village suggesting Kanako's geothermal venture provides services there (i.e Refrigeration). If not for that one panel it would seem that electricity is served to the tengu and kappa but not the humans. Though strangely electric lighting was never seen in the village in any manga to my knowledge. So humans may not have it was bad as the ‘Grimmies’ think. Though imagine if that ice cream panel didn’t exist lmao, it was more of a passing joke.
>>50126409>Though strangely electric lighting was never seen in the village in any mangaKosuzu's house has an indoor lamp
>>50126399>Character says "anything" in big bold letters>Uhmmm... That actually means nothing!No, it probably means most of everything.
>>50126016I mean yeah that’s the basic premise of the entire series, Gensokyo is a paradise for monsters and asshokes from Japanese mythology. It’s like getting mad that people point out Greek Mythology is kinda cynical and shitty, that’s just what it is.
>>50126399Reimu was more or less describing her own life and those of her friends but may not have the foresight to realize it. Bit of a let them eat cake moment.
>>50126426Thanks, some anon in another thread mentioned that they saw lights in the village at one point in FS but never provided where.
>>50126440Oh, so it's entirely possible to become the leader of the Human Village and destroy all of the youkai. After all, humans can get away with anything in Gensokyo, right?Also who are you quoting?
>>50126399It means reimu won't act. As long as humans stay human. Doesn't mean they can get away with everything since gensokyo has a police force but reimu won't do anything about it.
>>50126339>If an outsider is fortunate and manages to find the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.>However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo.>Such outsiders are treasured, since they hold unique knowledge.-PMiSS
Evil Mountain Youkai force Human Villager to stake his life and gamble alongside a cute freckled Yamawaro and her yamawaro buddies.Honestly this sounds like something Akagi would do
>>50126497Outsiders can be returned to the Outside World, yes, but nowhere does it say that the same applies to the villagers. Similarly, there's no confirmation of Reimu going out of her way to actively find outsiders before they're found by youkai or stumble into the Village by themselves.
>>50126522Anon, do you seriously think dumping a phantom human with zero documentation and no education into modern Japan is a good idea?
Real talk, Gensokyo or Outside world during WW2. If outside you are a nip, expect to be conscripted. Faith cattle or cannon fodder.
>>50126534I'd pick Gensokyo over my current modernday life. 1% of learning magic and a guaranteed afterlife > the monotony of the modern rat race.
>>50126551>guaranteed afterlifeYea, about that...
>>50126479The one being quoted is obviously the guy being replied to.Is it entirely possible to become the leader of your own country and destroy all of the other races within it? Probably but I don't think people, youkai or not, would like what it'd do to the country. In this case it's liable to destroy the entire village, the local space time, the economy, everyone's social life if not their whole lives, and all the other sapient creatures within Gensokyo.Nevermind the insane level of callous irony of being genocidal in regard to other sapient creatures just because of the presumption regarding intentionally vague lore. May as well call your neighboring country full of inherently stupid people and go Hitler, but that kind of writing belongs in 40kslop as we know.
>>50126551Better than 996-ing until you KYS or die from karoshi (overwork death).
>>50126560>"HEAVEN IS FULL, FUCK OFF"why are celestials such assholes
>>50126560Pretty sure you get sent to the Netherworld if you're not judged to go to hell and can't go to Heaven, you'll get to look at Yuyu's cows all day.
>>50125850>it's that the fans always had better ideasYes, just like the fans were able to draw and arrange music better than him.
>>50126560You do, not just a guaranteed good one.Even being an evil spirit is better than oblivion
I like this thread, once in a while talking about the franchise is great.
Humans falling into Gensokyo seem to hold no resentment towards the youkai eating them, sometimes not even becoming evil spirits.This provides poor nourishment for youkai, who begin restlessly asking questions. Finally, Mamizou, with her outside world experience, steps forward with an explanation: outside world malaise has made modern existence far more dreadful than being consumed by youkai!The solution? Gensokyo must evolve! Overbearing OL Gensokyo!
>>50126809Sex with Racoons
>>50126844*Dog Racoons
>>50126851Old Dog Racoons then
>>50126809What an astute observation by Mamizou.
The solution to the yokai question is to kill all fenale human, turn all yokai into females, turn them into futas, make them marry human males, and done.
>>50127146That second last step can be skipped
>>50127163No it can't.
>>50127172well i just did it
>>50127163Yeah it can no problems.
>>50127163>>50127180>>50127184I will have my futa yokai on male human fantasy, whether you want it or not.
>>50127146I actually really like Marisa so I'd appreciate it if you didn't murder her.
>>50127209Nobody cares
>>50127209Marisa should be turned into a youkai with a knee-length girldick.
>>50127146Where do gods and fairies fall into this plan?
>>50127238They don't. They're neither youkai nor human
Man do I miss CDS. You guys think ZUN's gonna make another Manga where stuff happens before he dies from sudden liver failure in March 22, 2027?
>>50127703Name one thing of lasting consequence that happened in CDS that wasn't "and then Mizuchi became another victim of the Hakurei harem."
>>50127719yeah its hard to call CDS a manga where "things happen" when at best we were shown what the bamboo forest looked like pre barrier and some random Hakurei Miko ZUN didn't even bother designing himself.
>>50125946They're not saying you're black u-unless?
>>50127802HE IS NIGGERMAN! THE UNTOLD SAVIOR OF GENSOKYO!
>>50126370They got nationalised Dragon Ball Z and Tacos, It's the slavs you gotta watch out for.
>>50127719Nigga there were fights. Bitches getting thrown into trees and shit. Reimu went super saiyan.
>>50127839>Nigga there were fights.That doesn't mean anything on its own.
>>50127703I just want CDS back to shitpost again with the /jp/memelords...
>>50126509Akagi would absolutely sweep, youkai cheating aside>>50126562That's always been my big problem with this grimfag's argument, aside from the absurdity of the idea that washing your dishes by hand is cruel and unusual torture. He essentially just wants to genocide an entire race of thinking feeling beings because of fringe cases and pure assumption (which is true of all genocides so really he just wants to commit genocide)... then again he's admitted himself to be a 40kfag, so it's entirely possible he's legitimately gotten "any sapient species other than humanity must all be wiped out because they're a threat" as the takeaway. Which is ironically the kind of thinking 40k was making fun of in its inception>>50127858Same, I really like CDS. I've liked everything ZUN's put out. Ironically the only thing I don't completely like is the floatan fighters just because they're so cartoony and strange. It's impossible to take anything you see on screen as canon unlike the Soku era fighters
>>50127839All that really didn't matter, in the end. You still got the 'everyone is buddy-buddy with each other' post-incident scene.Parsee taking up counselling to feel better about herself and not be an envy goblin is probably the most character development you'll get, unimpactful as it was
>>50127879I'm not a huge fan of CDS, I just enjoy the chaos surrounding it. But, I'll be waiting for you next CDS thread. I hope some other peeps will get in on the party.
>>50127894I am very curious as to what the new plot will even be. It looks like Miko might be the antagonist based on that ominous panel but she also seems to be the antagonist for LE considering that arc where she captured Suika, found out about Miyoi from that leftover token and then was alluded to hunting her down in the following chapter before ZUN gave us more slice of life arcs to distract us
>>50127879Its hilarious how mindbroken some normies are by 40k. Let me guess you are one of those guys whining about it being "fascist"?
>>50128678He's referencing a past conversation where I e of the three regulars, Impaler, Nork, or Reimuhater kept bringing up Warhammer 40k for some reason.It was extremely bizarre, and right now one of them is doing the same thing with the Simpsons on THP.
>>50128678Not that anon but I just think 40k is kind of gay. It's one of those settings that you only really hear about because someone is jerking himself off over how grimdork it is or how big the numbers are. It's not as bad these days but 40kfags had a reputation for being obnoxious back in the day, practically the bronies of ttrpgs.Granted Touhou can also appear like that from the outside, especially in the 00s when most "fans" had no fucking idea about the actual canon and just jerked each other off over the idea of Yukari being "teh stronkest" character in fiction.
>>5012871040kfags stopped me enjoying 40k. Very sad but true. As a game, you have to rub shoulders with them constantly to actually play it. It's not as bad as ccgs but it sure is a magnet for sheltered kids with no social skills.
>>50128710Seriously you can just tell at a glance whether someone is a fan of something because they actually like it or just because they want to make something like that to express themselves but have zero artistic talent nor the motivation and strength of will to actually cultivate that talent so they latch on to something already made and start making it all they talk about to go "Check out this series. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane lmao"and this is coming from someone who was literally *that guy*
>>50128748 (me)Infact we got one of these guys here right now >50128678, see how they use the keyword "mindbroken" implying 40k really is so shocking and edgy that it drives normalfags to insanity, but they of course can grasp it's true form and revel in it. But she is an interesting variation on the same guy as she's also politicizing it, but this is probably more due to the recent politicization of everything than it does say anything about them in particular
>>50128678I like the Dawrn of War games but I think making 40k your entire personality feels extremely gay, especially when it clearly doesn't vibe with most settings given how exaggerated and intentionally ridiculous the scenario in it and the thought processes within it are. There's a certain kind of humorlessness to needing to bring it up everywhere or inform your every view on things.
Autists are just annoying in general, but when you have a series they fawn over constantly they just become completely obnoxious
WHO'S AFRAID OF A LITTLE THUNDER?
>>50125721Touhou canon? Marisa gets scared.I love canonical scaredy-cat Marisa who is a lot of bark and not so much bite, despite fandom portraying her as eternally brave and strong.
>>50128933To be fair to Marisa; bravery is your ability to overcome your fear, not your inability to feel it. Marisa is plenty brave in that regard (just not stupid enough to try flying in a thunderstorm).If she was completely unfazed by everything she'd just be some weird sociopath.
>>50128933seriously though
>>50128943So, Reimu?
>>50128933I mean there's probably few people who wouldn't be startled by lightning coming down close to them, have you seen actual powerful lightning? That shit is scarily powerful.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOnAUnuMLk
>>50128950Maybe, if you ignore the CDS humiliation ritual.And also every other canon instance of Reimu feeling fear I don't feel like digging up.
Blatant fanservice, Touhou has declined...
>>50128953Yeah, I can't believe this artist keeps throwing Aunn into shots, blatant fucking pandering.
>>50128951Obviously fake, why would he set up a camera expecting something to happen? Try again, big guy!
>>50128943Obviously this means Marisa is Courage the Cowardly Dog then (nah but that's a good point about how trying to make a brave character just be unfazed by everything just makes them come across as a bit psychopathic) >>50128933It might just be because I'm a Marisafag but I don't like this thing of "Fandom portrayal is really inaccurate therefore we must overcompensate and think of them as the other extreme" we're not UTfags for fuck's sake. I will say people making her this brash, brave, constantly cursing badass does peeve me off. I think her encounter with Reimu in IN shows both sides of her pretty well, in Magic Team's route she's afraid of getting in a fight with Reimu to begin with (Alice has more teeth than her) but when Reimu was proving herself to be too huffy to reason with she hiked her britches up and decided to challenge her directly. In Barrier Team's route she's undeniably the aggressor in the situation (to Reimu & Yukari) and dropped some cool lines like "If the night keeps going, the youkai will stuff themselves until they drop dead. Gotta exterminate them before they drop dead." showing no fear initially but did run away halfway during the fight.Also as someone who's had the experience of a danger close lightning bolt. IT'S LOUD AS FUCK. There is no way you can't jump a little unless you're expecting it.
>>50125539Reimu deserves to be executed by hanging.
>>50126319>BrokeIt just confirms Reimu is a spoiled girl. This is her going full "Let them eat cake".
>>50129138Weren't you busy having this exact same argument on THP?
>>50129138I mean, yeah, they have a ton of cake so why not?
>>50129138...on opposite day where ZUN somehow decided to make the climax "look at how spoiled Reimu is" instead of "you can achieve peace without fighting, also you need to know that humans are protected in gensokyo" like he is very clearly communicating
>>50129187That human girl was fearing for her life and not happy
>>50127221>with a knee-length girldick"With" as in she should gain it, or as in it should be used to turn her into a youkai?
>>50129138Submit this here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfL5bZ3zN2QvRbWY7U4NTDfrZzDZ5NsilO2Wrq6KzM7AQPqqg/viewform
>>50129180No.>>50129189>"look at how spoiled Reimu is" That is literally the ending.She doesn't understand what it's like to be somebody that is not Reimu. If she was a human villager, she would be dead already.>>50129187>TheyWho? The poor peasants that make up most of the village inhabitants?
>>50129192This is not a face of fear, rather, the face of a psychopath that gets off from sending customers into sugary hell
>>50129203>A girl working as a waitress is smiling>This means everybody in Gensokyo is happyIt's staggering the depths of idiocy Touhou fans will engage in.
>>50129208shame you can't recognise happiness ever since you replaced your mom with a dishwasher, the only person who would show you happiness
Is there even a benefit to caring about Touhou "canon" in the first place, besides "being able to partake in retarded arguments on /jp/"?
>>50129199>That is literally the endingIf you are retarded maybe. It's perfectly clear that the story's portraying Reimu's insistence on a peaceful solution as a good thing. You are just too hung up on your fanfiction to accept that.
>>50129208Still less staggering than the depths of idiocy 40kiddies like you engage in.
>>50129222I've worked as a waiter.A friendly smile does not indicate happiness. It indicates a desire to keep your job.>>50129232>It's perfectly clear that the story's portraying Reimu's insistence on a peaceful solution as a good thingHer reason is complete nonsense and shows how delusional Reimu is.>>50129240Nah. Most 40k fans defending the Imperium sounds more logical than people defending Gensokyo or Youkai.
>>50129187Reminder that as per ULiL route Mokou doesn't have much money, so someone broke can afford this
>>50129194Yes
>>50129256Not as regular food, anon.
>>50129256Bold of you to assume Mizuchi paid.
>>50129267our cute vengeful spirit isn't a callous dine&dasher!
>>50129229/u/ is over there >>>/u/ if you want to throw canon in the toilet
>>50129287Nah I'll stay here
>>50129229Not being fucking annoying.
>>50129253>Her reason is complete nonsense and shows how delusional Reimu is.Again on opposite day where you weren't profoundly retarded
>>50129291It seems like you would prefer somewhere else. Your ball.
>>50129287>>50129292Thanks for proving me right.
>>50129187They have mountains of icecream for youkai visitors but zero real food, this is why everyone is fat in gensokyo
>>50129256She does yakitori though
>>50129295Good thing /jp/ isn't exclusively for Touhou then
>>50129302...This is a Touhou thread, anon.
>>50129296Look, I'm fine with disliking canon but I can only swallow so many people taking nonsense they got from shitty fan memes and thinking it's canon in a single day.
>>50129296God forbid you care about the source material, hell yeah brother, so cool
>>50129132>this thing of "Fandom portrayal is really inaccurate therefore we must overcompensate and think of them as the other extreme"dunno what you're talking aboutnothing I said was an extreme, Marisa is canonically an ordinary human who puts herself into extraordinary circumstances despite often fearing them. She isn't some bastion of fearlessness, but has many many examples of being worried, anxious, or downright scared in canon. It contrasts her with Reimu who rarely feels genuine concern over anything
>>50129333ZUN doesn't care about said "source material" besides the fame and money it brings, so why should you care, either? If you still think he's doing it out of passion, you're gravely mistaken.
>>50129342right on brother, the classic "ZUN doesn't care" lie brother
>>50129336I mean, Marisa is very, VERY rarely afraid all things considered.
>>50129344ZUN cares so much he's been overworking himself since UM, I genuinely don't get why people feel the need to lie and convince everyone to hate something good
>>50129347one of her titles is even Boldly Timid Human, just saying
>>50129353I get that, but in practice she very rarely actually shows any fear.
>>50129336"canonical scaredy-cat Marisa a lot of bark and not so much bite"
>>50129355I really would not say very rarely. I'm not going to autistically grab every single instance for you, but there are many especially across manga though it comes up in games as well--her worries etcHer entire thing is working extremely hard to compensate for her standard human weakness, and hiding how hard she works.>>50129356Yeah?
>>50129349>he's been overworking himselfAccording to ZUN himself, right? Hint: he's never been sincere.>hate something goodTouhou has never been good.
I thought this LE thread seem longer than usual and holy shit it’s just as I expected, people are talking about CDS
Remember no matter how much of a smug asshole your 2hu is, they will always be less petty than Konohanasakuyahime whenever she debut
>>50129358No not according to ZUN himself, from observing how many projects he keeps trying to cram full of content that he's mentioned exhausts him yet continuing to do so again and againDunno why I'm replying though cause picrel
>>50129371Also reading this make me realize the 2 Wing being Ariya represent the smoke and the inextinguishable flame she yoinked from Mount Fuji. ZUN doubter BTFO’ed
>>50129362That and low effort trolling + dumbass grimsokyo takes that seems to be in every manga discussion thread
>>50129380Damn, what a homely hag...
>>50129374at least the bait seemed to have scared the grimtard away
>>50129386I'm still here, anon.
Reimu CDS speech was mad funny because she was so confident in it. You just know she just bullshitting hoping it will work
>>50129357>Her entire thing is working extremely hard to compensate for her standard human weakness, and hiding how hard she works.I agree, but most of the time her snark and behavior isn't just all bark.
>>50129380It's also evocative of a phoenix wing which fits her being the goddess of immortality and ties her to Mokou more, since even in CiLR Mokou places a lot of importance to her saying she wants to see her one day to confess her sins and tell her all about her life as an immortalAlso if you consider ZUN confirming in a panel that Chimata's inspiration was Ichihime you quickly notice how her design contrasts with her sister Chimata too but also how her flame wing mirrors the aura flame Chimata skates around on while her archaeopteryx wing mirrors Chimata's capeThe archaeopteryx fossil wing is cool because fossils are literally the remains of living beings that have since turned to stone, which fits her being a stone goddess and her whole thing as the Princess of Permanence (life preserved as unchanging rock).
>>50129394"Never change what works."-Hakurei Reimu
>>50129396The funny thing is if you bother looking then Ariya’s design is way way too simple for the idea>The Dino bone are because she is a rock, after buried underground for centuries she fused with the skeleton of an ancient animal and become a fossil (which is literally how fossils formed)>Her wing are the smoke and fire of Mount Fuji that she brought with her>Her skirt are pic related, which are usually formed by lava flowing from the top to the BOTTOM of a volcano and dried outThe Dino part are funny to me because in-universe, Ariya will look like a Frankenstein with bone protruding out of random place on her body
>>50129402oh god Touhou 20.3 is going to be a hex grid strategy game
>>50129402How do volcanos even make that? Looks very evenly spaced like a staircase
>>50129407that would be so kino, although tasofraud are dead so i doubt they're returning for another decimal game
>>50129374>full of contentDoesn't matter if the "content" is shit though>he's mentionedAnd there it is again. Remember, never trust a word ZUN says.>>50129380>>50129396>>50129402All of this is a load of irrelevant bullshit and you know it.
>>50127894I'll probably be booked for the next CDS if my personality doesn't make a swerve. I'll probably cut a promo or two to get some heat in here.>>50128678>>5012871040k got nothing on the GOAT; Shadow the Hedgehog.And Yukari is now know as the queen of jobbers.
>>50129408Columnar Jointing
>>50129408Sometime you just remember that the universe DOES work mathematically. My country have such a place too, full of such rock formation from ancient volcanoes erupting into the ocean
Fellas, Fellas! I just found an amazing solution! If you click on that arrow next to a post you can click this button that says "Hide post" we can just stop talking to faggots!
>>50128710>especially in the 00s when most "fans" had no fucking idea about the actual canon and just jerked each other off over the idea of Yukari being "teh stronkest" character in fictTouhou fanbase is too small to be obnoxious.In actual attitude they are way, WAY worse than 40k fans.
>>50129422responding to bait is an ancient /jp/ tradition
>>50129422That's some esoteric club penguin hacking knowledge, anon.
>>50129413they aren't this is an unsubstantiated myth like "Mugetsu and Gengetsu are the rulers of a dream world" and "Okina made Nareko"If you check they've always had a really long release gap between games on different engines (about 5-6 years)No official shutdown announcement has been made and their members are still active
>>50129418>>50129419https://youtu.be/FGwfjmAUM4wDamn that's pretty cool
>>50129431Aren't they down to a single member ever since the pandemic?
>>50129419I hate maths, I don't understand shit to them.>>50129426Touhou fanbase of today is what happens when you take pro-wrestling seriously despite knowing it's fake.
>>50129413They literally are still around
>>50129452Didn't ZUN compare touhou's "brutality" to wrestling "brutality"?
>>50129441What the fuck no??
now you know he's just baiting because he's replying to someone liking math with "I hate maths"
>>50129463I've never heard ZUN speak about wrestling, so I'm gonna say that it's a work. But yeah, Touhou was not meant to work and doesn't work like Dragon Ball Z or your other typical battle shonen fed. Touhou is all about doing beautiful and skillful techniques for the greatness and enjoyment of art. So yeah, they fight like pro-wrestlers; They cut a promo on the start then they get on business and no-one seriously get hurt, unless botch.
>>50129474Human Villagers when an outsider comes in and breaks kayfabe by saying "Umm you're all being oppressed and imprisoned like cattle by youkai, you'd be doing much better with dishwashers"
>>50129474
>>50129300She claims to run a yakitori stand in vague conversation with the people she escorts through the forest to deflect away attention from herself, but there's zero evidence she actually does so, and she's never shown ever actually doing so on-panel (not even during Hakurei Shrine festivals where Mystia shows up), or while she's mulling over her life in her CiLR chapter where she's shown to barely even eat because she enjoys being miserable.The obvious truth is that Mokou adds less to society than the average fairy, and her sole source of income is probably pocket money given to her by Kaguya.
>>50129495Anon, if you were a outsider talking to a human villager they would be so eager to hear about the wonders of the outside world, they would forgot about Youkai. Because they love the outside world, and don't love Youkai
>>50129550>The obvious truth is that Mokou adds less to society than the average fairy, and her sole source of income is probably pocket money given to her by Kaguya.KeineFunny thing is that Mokou is probably one of the top 3 candidates to take over as the leader of the human village.
Bonus material for next LE volume are Yorigami sistersPeople seem to like them
>>50129584>KeineOn a teacher's salary? Fat chance.>Funny thing is that Mokou is probably one of the top 3 candidates to take over as the leader of the human village.She's pretty distant from other humans and completely lacking in the way of leadership abilities or desire. She didn't even want to be the Master in AoCF as she just wanted to mindlessly fight without having to do any of the thinking.Also she's stinky.
>>50129580They love watching Dirtbag Joe put the hurt on Burner Hurtzog, that's what they love
>>50129585I love the Yorigamis, I hope to see them in every Tasofro game from now on
>>50129644Joon is on her 4th outfit now, big fan of whoever decided that the Yorigami should have a new outfit every time
>>50129495This green jabroni from the outsider faction want to go in invasion and want to be the top babyface; but already botches his entering promo with an "Umm" then proceed to go into business for himself by shooting on kayfabe to push himself over when he's just a low-carder?! Hell nah, man! That hotshot doesn't fly! Also, dishwashers get massive heat with the female crowd and x-pac heat with the males. This gimmick aren't gonna draw any dimes, and it's best for the fed if he's send to new endeavors. What a way to ruin your carrier on your first show, and exposing the booker.>>50129512This paper made my day! :D>>50129642Kino garbage 'rasslin is universally loved! Always get huge pops from the locals! Get them some chairs, sticks and materials then you have the perfect Local event! Also, you made nice ringnames.
>>50129256Lmao a that is big sure but it is not going to bankrupt anyone lol. It’s just dessert
>>50129229No one told you this but more often than not canon is funnier than whatever fanon the fan made up
>>50129699If you consider laughing at ZUN's dogshit writing "funny", sure.
>>50126339>starts sending the villagers to the Outside worldAnd what exactly would a villager do in the outside world? Do you really think they would be happy and could thrive in our world?
>>50127719CDS gave more more of Kaguya so I will forever be grateful. Now if only Yuuka would make an apperances in this manga then I would truly appreciate it.
See kids, this is why you should never go high on tumblr "fiction affects reality therefore you're bad and problematic for liking bad fictional characters" horseshit.
>>50129222Can someone explain the dishwasher and 40k thing for me? It feels like this came out of nowhere and I have no idea what's going on
>>50129229Other then it being better on average? Sure there are a lot of great fanon works out there but the majority are complete garbage or overstayed their welcome far too long
>>50129371With one exception of course
>>50129684I understand nothing of this
>>50129626>On a teacher's salary? This isn't america. She probably gets paid fat stacks.>She's pretty distant from other humans and completely lacking in the way of leadership abilities or desire.She was raised as a noblewomen. Has direct ties to the Emperor/royal family of Japan. And is, you know, immortal.
>>50129735Grimtard gets assmad over Chapter 43 of CDS (the final chapter where Mizuchi gets btfo'd by reimu) where he argues that Reimu is a spoiled cunt that doesn't care for humans, and that the Human Village is literally 1984 for not having modern conveniences like dishwashers. Also he admitted he would sacrifice his own mom. The 40kiddy shit is just from his retarded le kill all youki!!!!!!! and his constant epic 40k references.Somebody needs to go back to that thread and make a collage though. It was good fun.
>>50129722>And what exactly would a villager do in the outside world?Live in a way where they can pursue their own happiness?>Do you really think they would be happy and could thrive in our world?They would be way, WAY more happier in the outside world.
>>50129754You won't because if you did you would realize that I was right.
>>50129754You know looking back he act exactly like that dooming man in FS saying the world is ending while everyone looking at him like he’s crazy
>>50129735A 40kfan had a legendary melty and got trolled. You can call this a /cds/ (/jp/ version of /dbs/) moment.
>>50129756>leave their jew-free utopia and enter a jew-infested worlduh yeah nope
>>50129764Which hilariously disproves all of your arguments about Gensokyo being a happy place.
>>50129736where did everyone get the impression that canon is somehow better?any interaction with canon works is guaranteed to disprove that beliefnow read https://nmlgc.net/OppositeWinner/, it will enlighten youthen go play mars matrix
>>50129769>Youkai apologist is a anti semitic subhumanLike clockwork.The human villagers, like all humans, would be happier in a world with no Youkai but with Jews. If you were human, you would understand that.
>>50129778>>50129734
>>50129778OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
>>50129780Has nothing to do with characters. My favorite character are Sakuya and Yukari, for crying out loud.
>>50129626>On a teacher's salary? Fat chanceShe's not just a teacher she's THE teacher
>>50129786I just find it funny. Obviously the anti semites are okay with Youkai mass slaughtering people and locking them in a glorified concentration camp. Nazis will be Nazis.
>>50129778Let's not pretend you have some kind of moral high ground since it's intensly clear you want to kill fully sapient beings, basically people, anyway.Your fanfic will never be canon btw
>>50129769Anon, Gensokyo has long-nosed smallhats who control the media, happy aquatic merchants who will rip you off, religious scam artists who trick people into buying their "miracles" for "protection", and an enclave of ultraxenophobes who constantly drag Gensokyo into their own wars.It's not at all better than the real world.
>>50129790The Holohoax never happened though?
>>50129792>Basically peopleIf we judge them like people most of them would be locked up for life or given the death penalty. You can't have it both ways, anon. If Youkai are people, they should be tried as people and that won't be a pretty trial.
>>50129797See:>>50129778
>>50129796Credit where credit is due, the Tengu may be stingy greedy bastards but they have the sense not to plunge the world into a satanical ritual
I think we are reaching the Godwin point.
>>50129805>Anti semite thinks Youkai are realLike clockwork. >>50129809Gensokyo conversations will eventually Godwin themselves because Youkai are inherently nazi coded.
>>50129756I'm sorry to say this but I doubt you could survive in the outside world. Going from an outsider to becoming a villager is far far easier then doing it the other way around. I doubt most villagers have an education or know a trade that could both be used in our current world and not be completely outdated. Plus even if they did they would lack the necessary documentation to get those jobs. The best they could get in terms of a career is being illegal employment in badly payed jobs with long hours and no befits. Even if he somehow manages to overcome all that by using fake documents and being lucky as hell said villager would still have to endure the japanese work life balance on top of dealing the loneliness and lack of family.
>>50125484>>50125492>>50125987BANANA HAIR!!!!!
>>50129814>I doubt most villagers have an education or know a trade that could both be used in our current world and not be completely outdated. Most of them would become celebrities overnight.Besides, they live in Japan. They'll be well taken care of by the government, at least until they can get a job. This isn't Somalia.
>>50129810>codedso I was right, you ARE a tumblrina
>>50129821oh my god you ACTUALLY think the Japanese government will just...take care of them? You don't even know what the homelessness situation in Japan is like. What the fuck are they going to become celebrities for? none of their claims can be substantiated and for all intents and purposes they're just homeless vagabonds with no verifiable past.
>>50129817Why did you draw this?
>>50129830why not?
>>50129828>you ACTUALLY think the Japanese government will just...take care of them?Yeah? Why wouldn't they. Japan isn't a unreasonable country, even with it's homelessness problems. A person appearing out of nowhere, somebody that is clearly Japanese but has no papers or even understanding of the outside world, and talking about a land filled with Youkai would become very famous very quickly. That's even assuming it's just ONE person. Most likely a large chunk of the human village would leave and all together they would quickly either start a new community in the outside world or simply become very well known as people find it harder and harder to deny their story.
So, anyone got enough balls and knowledge of Japanese to ask ZUN directly about all this? Curious what would his reaction be; will he just laugh it off as he usually does, or get angry/disappointed?
>>50129824Nope. But it's a good term.I mean, I could just say "Youkai are Nazis". Same thing really.
>>50129836I would personally ask him: >Is Reimu meant to be spoiled?>Are outsiders actually killed?>Can human villagers leave Gensokyo like outsiders?
>>50129832I mean huh...
>>50129833>A person appearing out of nowhere, somebody that is clearly Japanese but has no papers or even understanding of the outside world, and talking about a land filled with Youkai would become very famous very quicklyholy delusions, which is exactly what this would be dismissed as. The Japanese don't have a good track record when it comes to mental health, and something like this would be immediately passed off as being some schizo hallucination. Even multiple people wouldn't make a blip. >as people find it harder and harder to deny their storyHow...is that going to happen? Again, there's no evidence. The only person who could even corroborate their story is Sumireko, and she's a high school kid who no one would listen to either. They can't go to Gensokyo, they can't point out the youkai, they can't prove anything.
>>50129801We know for a fact not all of them eat people and plenty don't even want outsiders to bring into Gensokyo in the first place which would kill those other youkai or force them to be harmless and change up their roles. All you're basically saying is that you paint with broad strokes which was already clear.>Inb4 they're forcing the villagers to be in gensokyoStill headcanon
>>50129854The point is he has no papers. No nothing. They might try to find who is taking care of him. Only to eventually have to conclude he really DID appear out of nowhere. It would be a pretty big story even if they do just dismiss it as mental illness.>How...is that going to happen? By multiple people leaving? At worst, and I do mean at worst, they'll just start their own rural community in the outside world free from Youkai and Gensokyo. At best a few hundred, or even thousand, all sharing teh same story would becoming a breeding ground for conspiracy theories and become famous via the internet.
>I want to see the setting for this series to explode and all of its residents deadIf you worked at GW you probably made the End Times with all that fanfiction you're spewing out
Youkai wife NOW
>>50129932Give me Yuyuko
>>50129932now post the next page
>>50129932Do Ghosts count as Youkai? Also I will forever be pissed that we didn't get Oni Kasen vs Reimu and Tenshi on screen. Say what you will about CDS but at least we got to see them actually fight
>>50129844His responses would be"Spoiled? *laughs* how can a beggar like her be spoiled. You must mean Tenshi, well when I was coming- (SWR development insight)""Yes unfortunately""Yes all the time but if they come back they're considered outsiders, but Reimu likes to make sure they're safely escorted out"And then you'd accept none of that, because you need to be right and so it goes
>>50129885That's grimsokyotards for you, they hate Touhou but obsess over the idea of it for some reason.
>>50129866>Teh same storyzords
>>50129961>*raughs*ftfy
>>50129947Im reminded of >>50129512
>>50129769>>50129797It's fascinating how when /v/ermin immigrated here, /pol/tards came along tooCurious, no?
>>50129805Let's be real, they absolutely would sacrifice all of Gensokyo and most Wolf Tengu babies if they thought it'd benefit them and they could get away with it.
>>50129986to be fair /pol/ is everywhere
>>50129990>gets singlehandedly btfo by Suikanothing personal tengu
>>50129824This faggot really doesn't act like a tumblrina at allA tumblrina would want to keep Gensokyo around because they'd point to AFiEU and then point to Miko, then point to the CoLA chapter where Rinnosuke (a man who's main character trait is being a pretentious pseudo-intellectual who's often wrong) says money is evil, then point to Nina's spellcard names including predominantly right-wing political conspiracy theories and then argue it's leftist media or somethingSidenote: I've legit seen the more hardcore Tumblrinas get upset at Nina's existence because and I'm paraphrasing here but I've seen it myself "umm these are all problematic anti-semetic conspiracy theories, + the AI thing, this isn't a good look ZUN"tl;dr please for the love of god think outside this narrow dichotomy you are a man not a machine
>>50130011>I've legit seen the more hardcore Tumblrinas get upsetThey (and turd worlders) got upset at CP when LoLK was coming out because they just really hate America, I wouldn't take their FotM outrage that seriously.
>>50130001yeah dang touristsI've been saying Moot should have kept /new/ deleted for YEARS now
>>50129885>If you worked at GW you probably made the End Times with all that fanfiction you're spewing outSHOTS FIRED!
You really miss CDS, right guys?
>>50130064I like both, but CDS brings this board together so yeah.
>>50130034I don't remember that happening?Honestly if anything considering how the hardcore lefties are more American Diabolism believers like that "I did a thing" channel. They'd think Clownpiece is anti-American satire or something and praise it
>>50130064Damn right.
>>50129961>And then you'd accept none of thatNo? I would accept all of it. Especially if it actually appears in the story. I'm not like you, secondary.
>>50130040I frequent /jp/ but I still will call out the jew, /pol/ is a constant psyop. And it's funny to see the grimnigger act like a slimy kike
>>50130064I genuinely do, because I actually like CDS. You just gotta not take things so seriously man, it's fun. I'm excited to see how it is moving forwards since ZUN has had time to think up a plot what with all the delays + he's no longer constrained by having to salvage the plot from a half-done mystery story so he can just make something more appropriate for the inevitably shonen-lean it's going to go in.Fingers crossed Alice finally wakes up from that coma... though given that was a Ginmokusei era story beat I doubt it>>50130078As much as people shit on it, it genuinely does>>50129885Truth Sign "Truth MIRV" ~ Lunatic
>>50130064luv me sum mizuchi, luv'd her since her first appearance
>>50129861>We know for a fact not all of them eat peopleOh thank god. Only SOME of them act like serial killers. The rest would only be arrested for entirely different crimes. Like theft, kidnapping, extortion, and trespassing.Mamizou might not be a literal serial killer, but she is still basically a petty Yakuza boss and the world would be a better place if she got the Louis Capone treatment. >Still headcanonAssuming that they CAN leave is just as much of a headcanon. The best argument you can make is that we don't know, and even that's kind of a reach. >>50129965People have believed ghost stories for less. A few hundred people appearing out of nowhere would get media attention easily.
>>50130099You know what? Respect, you can be anti-semetic and a Touhou fan. Just don't be a /pol/tard sheep
>>50130005It’s kind of funny that in SWR Aya knew if she didn’t fight Suika off then no one in the tengu community would be able to stop her. So basically Aya is actually the strongest fucking Tengu around or Suika would only conceded if it was Aya facing her
>>50129885The End Times was bad mostly because it was poorly handled. Besides, the End Times featured evil winning in the form of the Chaos gods blowing up the old world. Gensokyo being destroyed and the villagers going free would be a unambiguously happy ending in which good triumphs and evil perishes. Besides, as a setting, I actually like places like the Empire. A better equivalent would be getting to watch commorragh in 40K get wiped out.
>>50130110Ass
>>50130105CDS is at it's best when it's just being a dumb Shonen manga. Reimu being a spoiled bitch is a unsatisfying ending to the fight for more reasons than just me stating that she's spoiled.
>>50130083>They'd think Clownpiece is anti-American satire or something and praise itNope, they're not intelligent enough for that level of abstract thinking. CP got a lot of shit all over the web initially.
>>50130123Aya is a DEX maxxer while Suika is a STR maxxer. She ain't called the fastest in Gensokyo for no reason.
>>50130011I've been to Touhou tumblr.It's just waifuposting by people too cowardly to come to /jp/. Any hopes of actually getting "Is Touhou fascist/sexist/racist?" was ruined by the fact that Touhou fans will always be Touhou fans and therefore will ignore all canon.
>>50130135>She ain't called the fastest in Gensokyo for no reason.I assumed it was because she orgasms the moment you put it in
>>50129836He would probably laugh at the absurdity of it all just like how he was surprised that Rin Satsuki is an actual thing despite it being his scrapped idea
>>50130144Human cock triumphs
>>50130116>Only SOME of them act like serial killers.Yeah... Just like people.>Like theft, kidnapping, extortion, and trespassing.Also just like people.We also don't know as to what frequency they are performed. Humans love their zashikiwarashi, and youkai are more like people than ever >>50129932>Assuming that they CAN leave is just as much of a headcanonThe point is that you parade around headcanon as fact even though by all means you don't know anything. They could be able to leave of their own volition but simply don't because they don't wanna abandon family and friends, they could get bribed with sex to stay, you can make up anything which is also how you end up with Grimsokyo.It's not like they don't know what the outside world is, they have literature from for example Kosuzu that goes in depth and she reads her books to the kids.The presumption that everyone is secretly super sad and a loner is also a hilarious level of cope given the numerous apparent visual cases of village humans enjoying their life and even gambling with youkai kek
>>50130116They'd get attention from the media and conspiracy theorists and maybe would get an easier ride from donations or something. But it's not exactly a sustainable thingThe government and the science community would absolutely never accept it. They're talking completely illogically about unscientific occurences, sure there's a lot of them but humans are very good at denying the supernatural so alternative explanations like "they're a cult" or "they're coordinated hoaxsters" would come up and then that causes problems for themYou'd also still get villagers who'd want to return (if we're being charitable to your point, chalk it up to stockholm syndrome) so how are they to be dealt with? Are they to be institutionalized and forced to love modern society? Isn't that kinda fucked up
>>50130133She got shit for her design dudeJust like Ariya's getting shat on, but those complaints are dying faster than with CP and Hecc
>>50130135I remember her and Reimu were the 2 people Flandre explicitly left for later in CDS even tho she test everyone So fighting Aya would be a troublesome endeavor even for Flandre
>>50130133Clownpiece design is so political yet the way ZUN put it make me think otherwise. He basically remember Lunar Capital is supposed to be based on China and wonder what would a notChina place consider enemyBoom, Clownpiece was born
>>50130159It's like fighting Scout
>>50130135You'll actually notice that in SWR she only uses Illusionary Dominance in Suika's story mode which is a pretty good sign she's taking the fight more seriously than anyone else's yet Suika still sweeps her (since she's Suika's stage 1 fight) because that's just how much stronger the Oni are to the Tengu, they were their former rulers after all.
>>50130064Remember when that CDS chapter dropped and the thread reached 1k posts and had subsequent threads? Good times
>>50130190https://youtu.be/_Q0x3vR4f7w
I can't believe Aya power level dick suckers still exist. Bitch got humiliated by Reimu in the same manga you claim scales her to "Flandre" tier, and she's never been the strongest tengu.
>>50130137I've been to Touhou tumblr too so when I say people say shit like that... I mean people say shit like that. You just don't dig deep enough because you're a sane human being
>>50130209Good riddance to bad fans.
>>50130202That's cause Reimu is hella strong.
>>50130202Aya never fight, so we don’t know for sure>B-butShe literally pulled out of the fight with Reimu because there’s no reason to. There’s no proof she is weak
>>50130215Don't make me post a list of times Reimu jobbed
>>50130200Oh great you just made me help summon Satan, you happy?
>>50130226She's obviously not weak, but "Flandre fears the chad Aya" is some insane cope.
>>50130230NoneShe holds back like Alice does
>>50130240Alice is weak to hypnosis
>>50130200Fastest tengu vs slowest oni. If Yuugi was there, the fight wouldn't even have started.
>>50130209Look, I'm sure you can find trash like this if you look really, REALLY deep. Much like you can find Neo Nazis subhumans on /jp/ if you dig deep enough. On average though: both sites are mostly just dlop waifuposting.
>>50130252Nope https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3118258
>>50130252No, Okuu is though, canonically
>>50130154>But it's not exactly a sustainable thingIt doesn't have to be. Most of them will do a study, get a job, and move on. A few will remain to cash in their brief fame as long as possible. >would come up and then that causes problems for themThe most likely awnser is they won't care and life will move on. The goverment or the Japanese science community really isn't all that bothered by a bunch of cranks appearing out of nowhere. With the former probably just looking to dump the problem with minimal cost to themselves. Most likely just giving them some abandoned rural town to live in and a bunch of papers.>so how are they to be dealt with? Assuming Gensokyo is still around they probably can literally go back. Otherwise, they'll get over it. The people they love are still around, after all. Even if their way of life has changed, the people have not. They'll simply be more free and happy version of themselves.
>>50130306Hang on 1) isn't the outside world in the Touhou universe not our actual world but a more dystopian 25 minutes into the future world. 2) doesn't Sumireko bitch about how awful it is all the time
>>50130317>1) isn't the outside world in the Touhou universe not our actual world but a more dystopian 25 minutes into the future worldNta but it is in the near future of the music CDsAnd yes
>>50130317It's a Dystopia in the same way the Jetsons is a dystopian. It's hardly 1984 and I'll take it over Gensokyo any day.Sumireko is a deliberate anti role model. Even Gensokyo views her as generally intolerable. She's ZUN taking the piss out of his fans.
>>50130317>1No people often conflate Hifuu Outside World as current Outside World, the 2 verse are not really related (for now)>2Sumireko bitching about her life does not mean it’s in the future, our current world have plenty of things to complain about
>>50130335Our world is going to become Hifuu world soon enough, even plant is going to be artificial, exactly the way Maribel and Renko describe
>>50130144Give me a moment
>>50130198There was 2 threads who had 1,5k posts one after the another... That was epic! It's a mix of everything, mostly /a/ dragon ball super shitposts and /pw/, but it's was epic.
>>50130345And, like I said, that does not make a dystopia. It sucks but I'll take it over living Gensokyo. So would literally anybody else sane over the age of 12.
The Hifuu world is Hyper late stage capitalism with depopulated countries and a dying world, all thanks to godless jews
>>50130357Jews are better than Youkai, subhuman.
>>50130353I never seen anyone melting down so hard over Touhou before, it was a life changing experience
>>50130366I hope you all get glassed alongside the Palestinians you hate so much
Konohanasakuyahime is going to be the first gyaru of Touhou
>>50130374I hope you join Youkai in not existing soon enough.
I have live long enough to see people discussing Touhou race politics like Gensokyo is an actual country right next to their
do you think human villagers own guns?
Is this really the hill you want to die on? The jew's favourite goyim seeking to destabilise another innocent country?
>>50130389Kasen immediately assumed there was a hunter around when she heard a gun sound so probably
>>50130389Most guns in Japan before Gensokyo sealed off were in the hands of the army, while citizens couldn't even have a sword.There is definitely a chance that there is one or two antique guns left over but they have no use other than hunting which isn't viable with no extra ammo being made or imported
>>50130335Oh fascinating she doesn't count but yet you keep insisting the one random paranoid schizo we see in the human village is proof life for all the villagers is doom and gloom >>50129771And actually that's a good point the future of the outside world described by ZUN while not dystopian is literally a depressing shitty world with shit like population control, pollution so bad people are looking for solutions to terraform Earth, most plant and animal life is extinct, some food items aren't even around anymore and need to be recreated artificiallyA world where children no longer smile
>>50130413Even worse, you can't get drunk
>>50130368Bet you had the laugh of your life.
>>50130404That plus I'm pretty sure we've seen other examples of matchlocks aroundI wouldn't be surprised if the Yamawaro would sell breechloading rifles to human villagers
>>50130413>one random paranoid schizo we see in the human village is proof life for all the villagers is doom and gloomWasn't he also just off his rocks one time and a youkai literally gave him the meds he needed
>>50130437*LunarianBig difference
>>50130437I know! Eirin came in clutch, imagine if he'd gone postal or something
so what did we learn from this thread about the 69th chapter of Lotus Eaters?
>>50130413Neither one counts dumbass, that's my argument. Your assumption that everybody in Gensokyo is doing fine because of one girlr working as a waitress is just as retarded as one paranoid schizo being proof that it's all Dystopian.>is literally a depressing shitty world It's slightly below the Jetsons and slightly above Futurama. I'll take it over Gensokyo any day. >A world where children no longer smileThat's not true. Just look at this child. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzBQhQIarc
>>50130481Marisa has her cute side and Touhou kinda feels like an It's Always Sunny episode when it comes to Reimu and Sanae's shenanigans
>>50130488>He doesn't read the Hifuu storiesGrim
>westabrap cartoon slopgrim
>>50130488We're given literally no reason to believe Gensokyo is filled with droves of perpetually unhappy people that'd justify calling it dystopic kek, it's pretty much the opposite where leisure activities involve getting into bets with youkai and holding festivals which is extremely consistently portrayed>It's slightly below the Jetsons and slightly above Futurama. I'll take it over Gensokyo any dayAnon, the Hifuu world is literally ass, where humanity fucked itself over. That's what ZUN portrays the future as.
>>50130488That wasn't my argument because I know that's retarded. I know everyone's doing fine because of how many fucking times its said everyone's doing fine and participating in fun festivals and shit like that. You just say "nuh uh that doesn't count" which means there's zero point in arguing with you over this since you refuse to accept any evidence that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions which is just... not how human conversation worksif anything burden of proof should be on you dude, we're the consensus While waiting for the next LE or CDS chapter to release go and actually compile a big image or doc of all the evidence (with sources cited) of how Gensokyo is a grimdark terrible place to live in and if your 'proofs' aren't up to scrutiny you'll be the eternal faggot of paradise and if we can't actually come up with any sources cited counter arguments of our own then you win and can be free of this place, sound good?
>>50130519>eternal faggot of paradisei spit my drink out, hats off to you
check human village?Everyone is hype, drinking beer, yuugi's got her tits out pretending to be an oni in dishuise, no unhappy people anywherecheck myouren temple?Everyone is hype, Byakuren's got her sexy biker outfit with her tits almost outEveryone is happy in Gensokyo
>>50130561check the local areanobody has their tits out...Anon I think we know how to save society
>>50130517>We're given literally no reason to believe Gensokyo is filled with droves of perpetually unhappy people that'd justify calling it dystopicIs Brave New World a utopia? Not even to say that it's LIKE brave new world. But there is more to a dystopia than simply constant suffering. Ultimately the human villagers are mostly shown just living their life, acting like normal people do. That alone makes everything the Youkai do to them all the more cruel and heartless. Why should they not be allowed to seek their own happiness and a find a way of life they prefer outside Gensokyo? Why they should not be allowed to hold political believes that go against the will of the sages and act accordingly? Why do you deny them their happiness when they are shown to be capable of having it without anybody having to suffer? >the Hifuu world is literally assExplain to me how it's worse than the jetsons or Futurama. >>50130519>>50130519>its said everyone's doing fineIt's not you idiot.>participating in fun festivals and shit like that.That's literally the same insane logic you criticized. "People are smiling at a festival" does not equal "Society is good". I can show you pictures of the worst most self destructive societies, places that could be called real life dystopian, and I can promise you right now there will be people smiling in them. >Gensokyo is a grimdark terrible place to live in I've given numerous reasons. From Yukari using spies inside the homes of human villagers. To general issues involved with lower standards of living. To mentions of poverty, illiteracy, and classism in the human village. Of people being canonically unhappy, uncomfortable around youkai, showing interest in the outside world. Of the lack of any positive examples of Villager and Human relationships. The absolute best case you can make is that, mostly due to the village just being generally underwritten, the village is... not the worst imaginable place to life. Like, you could do worse, probably not in the modern day outside active warzones, but certainly historically. That does not change the fact that all of their lives would improve if every Youkai, and gensokyo as a whole, went away.
>>50130601>Explain to me how it's worse than the jetsons or FuturamaYou already had it explained to you retardbro.
>>50130561Check Necromunda?Everyone is hype, having fun, random Escher has a her tits out, no unhappy people anywhere. Check the Fang? Everyone is hype, the wolf is wolvily wolfing on his wolved wolf, everyone is drinking, Ragnar Blackmane is walking around shirtless.Everyone is happy in the Grim Darkness of 40K.
>>50130623>Warhammer 40k againYawn
>>50130601Futurama's world is horrific if you take it at face value, it's just easy to make light of that because it's a satirical sitcom.
>>50130606You didn't.>No greeneryJetsons has that. Futurama has that. >Population controlFuturama has that.>Space colonizationFuturama has that. Jetsons has that.
>>50130627Are you getting my point, anon? Your logic is retarded.I mean, look at these fuckers having fun. Wouldn't you want this?
>>50130632>Space colonizationAh yes, the TROJAN GREEN ASTEROID situion went great.I'm glad humanity has escaped earth and colonized the rest of the solar system in Hifuu.
>reddit spacing>westabrap cartoon comparison>tumblr terminology>jewish
>>50130630It's why I put it below the future of Gensokyo. Jetsons is a better and more obvious example. Only thing you can really say about it that is worse in the future of Touhou is population control. Which even in universe isn't treated like some kind of terrible tragedy but more people just being kind of annoyed it exists.
>>50130637>the TROJAN GREEN ASTEROID situion went great.I'll rather have it than living in gensokyo.Or the world of Futurama, for that matter.
>>50130040Bruuuh.... /new/ was 16 years ago, let it go.
>>50130389>>50130411Imagine Touhou Black ops
Look at all of these people having fun at a festival:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_YClearly, this setting must be great:
>>50130653not a phone in sight, just people living in the moment
>>50130653>1984Sigh, Nork we already talked about this. . .
>>50130639The future in Hifuu isn't a dystopia but it's not portrayed as pleasant either. A big overarching theme is this general 'fake' feeling of everything, from synthetic plants lining the streets to fake booze being the standard for bars. It's portrayed as a place where people are generally fatigued and aimless, to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beauty. ZUN has always had an environmentalist leaning to his works and the Hindu future uses the antithesis to that to demonstrate how hollow the future portrayed is.
>>50130623>40KHmmm, no.
so much hatred...
>>50130669>to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beautyMaribel. Not most people.Otherwise, I don't disagree but that's a far cry from being dystopian. Gensokyo, by every measure, is worse. It's frankly more fake as well.
>>50130684Again, I find it so strange that someone who so obviously hates Touhou is so obsessively posting here.I mean I get that it's mostly just to farm (You)s but it's a sad existence, isn't it?
>Most serious LE discussion: What could Miyoi backstory be?>Most light-hearted CDS discussion: Gensokyo ethnical cleansing and racial politicI will never not find the stark contrast funny
>>50130698Jews like him love endulging in their schizophrenia and force the world to follow them
>>50130701i can't wait until these storylines converge
>>50130701CDS discussions also bring out the absolute worst psueds unfortunately. It gets very "fuck yeah humanity xD" very quickly.
>>50130701I want to know Miyoi's FRONTstory haha.
Such a fantastic setting filled with love.
>>50130698Most secondaries hate Touhou. It's normal for people that deny Grimsokyo.
>>50130696>He didn't read dateless bar old adam.
>>50130733I did, and I don't remember people crying because they saw a glimpse of gensokyo.
>>50130733He's a secondary, of course he didn't
>>50130751Answer this if you want to try and make the secondary accusations stick, fucknugget.>>50130745
>>50129964It's weird since he has the exact same arguments over on THP, even after Impaler stopped helping him.
>>50130764You have any link to his posts? I wanna read em.
>>50130764What is that?
>>50130794>>50130779THP is Touhou Project dot moe, it's a sister (kind of) site to jp where stories and quests are posted.Impaler is a writefag from there who's friends with Nork(North Korean Fag) who's talked about working with him before and scoping out threads of the THP Discord.Currently Nork is in the THP "Touhou Character Discussions - 3" thread having the exact same arguments over there due to Reimu being the character of the week.
>>50130779https://www.touhou-project.com/gensokyo/res/18276.htmlHe isn't very hard to spot. Just skip down to the part where Reimu becomes the character of discussion.
>Panels showing yearly holidays and festivals>Somehow this is the same as this other thing here which is totally differentWe all know your tricks you pilpuling kike
>>50130815>Panels showing holidays and festivalsVS:>panels showing holidays and festivalsBut it's different because... uh...
>>50130601>Why should they not be allowed to seek their own happiness and a find a way of life they prefer outside Gensokyo?You avoid the point entirely that this is literally your headcanon, it's never said there is no avenue for leaving which I already said, they might just have no case for doing so, the fact of that matter hasn't changed in 5 months, you just ignore it like usual.There's never anything saying they can't hold other political beliefs, the most you can claim is that youkai want to be aware of them (and even then people like Keine reach out to these people to communicate with them, and the people mentioned if I recall are in the same book containing retconned information about human leaders meaning this might just be retconned too)>Blabla deny happinessProve there is a deliberate denial of happiness they don't get by living in Gensokyo (you can't but w/e)You might as well say that the world conspires against you because opportunities aren't handed to you on a silver platter, but that has nothing to do with being happy. Happiness and contentness are just states of being and they can be achieved whichever which way.And NTA but there's no clear case for anything but it being regular countryside standards of living, any extreme poverty (there's also plenty of that in the outside), and classism definitely also goes on in the outside even to the point where people are basically above the law.I can be interested in the Soviet Union or Haiti or even Iceland but have no desire to live there.People are always bound to be uncomfortable around other select people but we also see humans at festivals or even visiting youkai meaning this is not universal and just more headcanonWe see humans interacting positively in the backgrounds all the time, Kosuzu is good friends with Akyuu and so on but you'll just complain that no name background characters or drinking buddies don't count.You can absolutely do worse in the modern day without active warzones, you must be delusional.>>50130634>WarhammerHas gone to shit and is normalfaggified to death and ZUN's also literally on record that the violence in Gensokyo is wrestling-tier brother. Touhou is closer to something like Harry Potter's wizardry world than 40keks
>>50130728It's almost like there's nothing wrong with being a secondary (as long as you aren't a meme-spouting fumo-obsessed retard)
>>50130669>to the point where even glimpses at Gensokyo bring grown men to tears at its organic beautyGensokyo really isn't any less artificial, though. It's basically a petting zoo for youkai that should no longer exist in the world and those living in Gensokyo are pretty much domesticated monsters who now need to pretend they're still preying on humans even though it's all a charade.Hell might be the only place that could be considered even remotely "genuine" in this franchise.
>>50130821>Touhou is closer to something like Harry Potter's wizardry worldBe careful, he'll start to argue that the Wizarding World is dystopian too (even after Deathly Hallows)
>>50130840Gensokyo is artificial in the same way a nature reserve is artificial. Which is to say if you actually told anyone you were of that opinion they'd probably think you're a pedantic retard.
>>50130821> it's never said there is no avenue for leavingThere is no evidence that they can leave. The barrier literally prevents them from leaving. They are described as being trapped, sealed away, etc. You need actual evidence if you want to claim they can just leave. As I said multiple time: At best you can argue we don't know and even that is stretching.>There's never anything saying they can't hold other political beliefsOutside of the scene of yukari literally saying she's spying on people with the intent of makin sure they don't do anything they don't want.>Prove there is a deliberate denial of happiness they don't get by living in Gensokyo Getting to walk outside after night without potentially being torn apart by Youkai.>And NTA but there's no clear case for anything but it being regular countryside standards of livingOutside of where it's literally mentioned as being on part with late Edo Japan which, will not the worst, is significantly worst than almost any place that exists in teh real world. Something that is supported by how the place actually looks. >I can be interested in the Soviet Union or Haiti or even Iceland but have no desire to live there.You can be. Is there any evidence that they care about Gensokyo? That they want to be in gensokyo? That they like Gensokyo? Can you point to even a single villager npc that likes any aspect of Gensokyo? Because I can point to tons that like the outside world. >eople are always bound to be uncomfortable around other select people but we also see humans at festivals or even visiting youkai meaning this is not universal and just more headcanonPeople literally don't know they are youkai. >You can absolutely do worse in the modern day without active warzones, you must be delusional.Name one place. >Has gone to shit and is normalfaggified to death and ZUN's also literally on record that the violence in Gensokyo is wrestling-tier brother. He's talking about the fights. Human villagers are murdered and that violence is more 1984 with a dash of The Promised Neverland.>Harry Potter's wizardry world Unironically one of the most dystopian and hopeless settings ever written. And at least in harry Potter voldermort loses. In Touhou he's put in charge and Harry would be working for him.
>>50130845>>50130857Right on the money.
>>50130825It is wrong because it makes you say stupid shit.>>50130845Correct, cause it is. Though at least Harry Potter is slightly better insofar that even people die like they deserve.
>>50130825truthnuke
>>50130850It's artificial in the same way a zoo is artificial.
>>50130601Jesus fucking christ dudeYes people smiling at a festial does equal society is good if we're shown time and time and time and time and time and FUCKING time again multiple examples of thisONE instance of a guy being a paranoid schizo needing meds and TWO old guys in a bar talking about their worries like old guys in bars do all the fucking time is not proof they aren't being allowed to seek happiness. Look at the goddamn sample size, this is our problem with your fucking argument dude, you're listing numerically low, fringe examples and instead of accepting that the numbers show you're not right you instead whine and say "well ZUN just doesn't show us the other examples of villagers being miserable" well gee wonder why he has time to show us all the villagers being happy then? I-It's like you think ZUN's fucking working with the youkai and Touhou is in-universe propaganda so there's untold suffering going on he won't show us. HE'S FUCKING GOD AS FAR AS THIS SETTING'S CONCERNED DUDE... just where the fuck does this whole idea that they're being prevented from seeking happiness come from? What they're not aware they *could* be owning a dishwasher, oh how cruel. What they're not aware they could be managing the nearest Familymart instead of working with their wife to run a quaint family business? It's like saying the Shire is a fucking shithole and Saruman was right to come in and industrialize the place because Bilbo had an unexpected fun time adventuring and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins exists so the Hobbit shiriffs are oppressing them because they consider the idea of adventuring taboo (because there is nowhere in the text saying the Hobbit Shiriffs are oppressing them but that's exactly how factual your arguments are)Also when are you going to bring up the fact that gods exist in Gensokyo and literally provide material benefit and aid to the human villagers
>>50130861*Evil people die like they deserve.
>>50130868Unironically Gensokyo has more humane conditions than zoos, but yes it is a controlled environment that like zoos plays an important role in conservation.
>>50130861>it makes you say stupid shit.So you're a secondary, then? got it
>>50130861>people die like they deserveLike Malfroy?
>>50130850Sure, a nature preserve where a lion just chases a gazelle for a little while before a park ranger hands them some lab-grown meat for their efforts in totally hunting their prey for real.An important part of the setting is that it all became just theater, and the modern-day youkai in Gensokyo hardly resemble what they once were.
>>50130698We've asked him about it before he claims to like Touhou but this weird perception of Touhou he had when he first got into it playing the games before it got "shattered" reading the mangasAlso iirc he says his first manga was FS which certainly fucking explains why he frames everything in terms of "Humans V Youkai" since that was FS's theme, problem is he hasn't moved on and looks at every other work through the same lens. It's genuinely sad his enjoyment of such a good franchise is ruined entirely by picking the wrong manga as his first, and that he thinks it's his moral duty to expose the "truth" to us when we're all happi-is this kind of fucking elaborate performance art thing? I just realised he's trying to take us out of fun world of Gensokyo and into "the real world" which is literally the exact thing he's advocating needs to be done for the human villagers... and he cannot comprehend or atleast pretends not to comprehend we love it here in Gensokyo and don't find it as terrible as he sees...Dude what the fuck...
>>50130909jewish schizophrenia
>>50130909So what you're saying is that he's possessed Kosuzu before she's freed?Scary, I didn't know 2hus were weird, I heard Kosuzu was a pervert.
>>50130857>Name one placethe entirety of Eastern Europe
>>50130857India
>>50130909If he likes the games and claims to hate the fans, why doesn't he continue playing them in peace and avoid the fandom, instead of going out preaching to the fandom he hates?And I'd also like to hear his ideas for game plots that could happen after Gensokyo would be destroyed as he wants so badly...
>>50130901Out of necessity, youkai needed to adapt a conservationist mentality to avoid burning through their resources and destabilizing the delicate peace.
>>50130901Wow something about that made me feel sad... for the lion actually
>>50130872>ONE instance of a guyAlso fortune Teller. The Old men in Lotus Eater. The secret history society in Bohemia of Red Archive. The human villagers in Symposium wanting Reimu to break up a meeting out of fear and paranoia. The salt merchant in Forbidden Scrollery. What do you have? Nothing.> is not proof they aren't being allowed to seek happiness. The part where Yukari literally says "They aren't allowed to seek happiness" does that.>Look at the goddamn sample size, this is our problem with your fucking argument dude, you're listing numerically low, fringe examples and instead of accepting that the numbers show you're not rightYou have no sample size, period. The only evidence you are festivals. Festivals they would have if they lived in the outside world. If every Youkai was exterminated, Gensokyo was razed to the ground, and the human villagers went free. What do you think they would do if they moved to Tokyo and there was a festival? People being happy at a festival is not evidence that they like Gensokyo. it's not evidence that Gensokyo is good. Gensokyo did not invent festivals. If Gensokyo went away there would still be festivals. Objectively better festivals, even. If you want to go down the shallow materialistc side then I'm sure these peole would prefer a rollercoaster to liven up their festival experience. Can you deny this? And if not, argue that they wouldn't view every single Youkai being extermianted as a acceptable tradeoff. Because, I can, very easily in fact. Cause the human villagers don't like Gensokyo, they don't like Youkai, they don't like magic, and they don't even like Reimu. They like festivals, they can have those in the outside world. >... just where the fuck does this whole idea that they're being prevented from seeking happiness come from?The part where they, CAN'T, FUCKING, LEAVE. The part where they CAN'T, FUCKING, HAVE, A, OPINION without Yukari spying on them like big brother. If you like autocracy so much. Move to fucking North Korea already, christ. >It's like saying the Shire is a fucking shithole and Saruman was right to come in and industrialize the place because Bilbo had an unexpected fun time adventuring and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins existsTolkien spend more time explaining why the Shire is a wonderful place in a single passage than ZUN has spend explaining why the human village is good in every Touhou work put together. Even then, the entire point of the Shire at the end of the Lord of the Rings is that for all of it's idealism and goodness it STILL can't actually escape the corruption of Sauron. Cause the Lord of the Ring is a setting that actually establishes something and is written by a talented individual. So stupid idiots like you can't fundamentally misunderstand the setting and world to keep the inane shitty pseudo gacha slop setting you perverted Gensokyo into alive. >because there is nowhere in the text saying the Hobbit Shiriffs are oppressing them but that's exactly how factual your arguments areWhen you play Undertale do you need somebody to explain to you that the monsters can't leave? When you see a picture of the berlin wall do you just assume "Clearly, this is there to let people through"? We know bilbo can leave. We know they can leave because there isn't a giant fucking barrier around the Shire to explicitly keep out everybody locked inside. >Also when are you going to bring up the fact that gods exist in Gensokyo and literally provide material benefit and aid to the human villagersWhat material goodness? The food they wouldn't need if they lived in the outside world? The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world? The love and relationships they could get even if they lived as literal cavemen?
>>50130885Malfroy explicitly doesn't deserve to die because him and his family still feel love for each other. it's childish, but I never said harry potter is good.
>>50130965
>>50130965>The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world?Ah yes, I love the international child slave industry that produces my iphones. Isn't that so wonderful, it's not like even beyond that technology has caused a lot of problems in human society globally.
>>50130965>The luxury products they would more easily obtain in the outside world?ah yes, the luxury goods they will buy with all that money they do not have because they can't get a job without papers or a home
His entire argument falls flat due to the existence of Kogasa, she's the goodest girl in all the world and is perfect in every way
>>50130909That was me though? I just moved to THP and am happy. Canonfagging is for losers.
>>50130909>We've asked him about it before he claims to like Touhou but this weird perception of Touhou he had when he first got into it playing the games before it got "shattered" reading the mangasYou are confusing me with the other dude. I ALWAYS liked Touhou for the edge. Even back during PMISS Gensokyo, when it was genuinly good place for the human villagers, I got into the setting for the edge of the entire thing being build on outsiders being slaughtered. While others were reading slice of life pseudo gacha slop doujins, most of my background was into western fanfics (Most of which were also shit, I will admit). If I got disillusioned with Touhou it was mostly because I realized that ZUN can't write likeable characters and I find it impossible to care about anything that happens in the manga. I don't care about what happens to these people, basically. Even then I still kept track of the games and manga for the most part (Animal realm stuff genuinly bored me though). The issue I ran into is you, specifically the Touhou fandom. I fucking hate the way you take this potentially interesting, if flawed setting, and turn it into hot garbage by removing anything even remotely interesting from it so you can masturbate over images of characters you don't even understand or like. I've repeatedly called you "Pseudo gacha fans", but at least most gacha fandoms actually understand the characters on some basic level. You do not, not only that but you fundamentally refuse to engage with the work in any meaningful capacity. Openly ignoring themes, idea, storylines, and facts because they don't match your shallow shitty fan meme version of Gensokyo.
>>50130999>Canonfagging is for losers.>Moves to a fanfiction site.Then get back to writing faggot.Also why the fuck are you here then?
>>50130937Outside of the actual warzone. In every degree better than Gensokyo. Less crime, safer, more freedom of movement, probably less poverty.>>50130947See above.
>>50131002were you into imperfect metamorphosis by any chance?
>>50131010>he lacks critical information
>>50130857I just echo what the other dude said lol, you're so set in your headcanon that you can't even accept direct contradictions top it, it must be discarded... Because reasons (lmao)
>>50130982>I hate technology>I say posting onlineFuck off. Go live in a cave if you feel that way. Unlike in Gensokyo, you actually can.>>50130988A fucking Indonesian peasant can get their hands on stuff that would make your average Gensokyo peasant cream their pants nowadays. They'll do just fine.
jesus you guys are still going?
>>50131010>
>>50130998This is a fantastic example of fans open contempt of characters.Is Kogasa a good person? Eh, arguably. She doesn't seem all that evil at the very least and is somewhat of a victim. However, she is also a generally bratty and mischievousness girl with a few hints of a dark streak. Yet, because that doesn't match the shitty fanon version of Kogasa it's ignored in favor of turning her into a fucking boring as sin moe blob.
>>50131021>Fuck off. Go live in a cave if you feel that way. Unlike in Gensokyo, you actually can.>I think the outside world, especially in Hifuu has problems.Civilization and technology are kind of trade off, as humans we understand how to manipulate the word around us more then we understand the consequences of our actions and ourselves.Just look at us, trying to build machines to forfeit human minds. Isn't the the height of foolishness?
>>50130857>Human villagers are murderedThere is literally 1 instance of a villager dying to the youkai equivalent of a serial killer (people die all the time IRL from those too) before that guy was executed, and that was a kind of youkai reimu calls unusual in WaHH. So 1 bit of violence vs an entire series of playfulness, I wonder what's the norm? Not grimsokyo that is40k is literally a comical scifi take on warhammer turned up to 11 with a ton of blood and gore added in for the hell of it, it's practically the opposite of wrestling-style play fighting like ZUN says it is.
>>50131030this is the same situation that led to the 1000+ CDS threads. This guy can and WILL argue minutae for that many posts.
>>50131037>However, [HEADCANON]cope and seethe, the goodest girl in all of Touhou is a youkai (tsukumogami)
>>50131016Can you prove EITHER location has worse standards of living than Edo Japan? >>50131012I read it but never got that into it. >>50131017What headcanons? I've repeatedly stated that I will accept a maybe in most questions. You are insistent upon pushing your own ideas while having no actual evidence to show for it. Do you have a single shred of evidence that the villagers COULD potentially leave? Any? Because right now your argument basically comes down to "The Hakurei Barrier doesn't exist because shut up".
>>50131037>contempt of charactersdid you lift this one from oppositewinner's giant schizo rant? he was the tard who claimed that fans hate ZUN and the characters
>>50131031This literally sounds exactly like every anon talking about why Gensokyo isn't that bad in the upper article and then the actual human villagers in the bottom one.
>>50131053>I've repeatedly stated that I will accept a maybe in most questionsStating is not acting, you're dead set on acting like it's canon. And it's pretty simple to say that nobody buys lies, dude.
>>50130806Thanks
>>50131055He also posted on Spaztron's blog about how ZUN was engaged in a conspiracy with the moderators of 2chan and 4chan to promote Touhou.Although Spaztron's abandoned his blog so it might be hard to find.
>>50131060Anon... do you not know how shit living in India is? Literally AND Figuratively
>>50131051>>50131055It's probably the same retard that argued Byakuren and Nitori's personality didn't change across games despite ZUN literally saying so himself.It's always are 2hus are le bad and grimdark with him, same kind of retard that unironically thinks muh edgy man eater Rumia is somehow canon
>>50131040>As humans we understand how to manipulate the word around us more then we understand the consequences of our actions and ourselves.The entire point of spirituality is to do that heavy lifting. Meanwhile, the people of Gensokyo are more spiritually dead than Atheists living in the USSr.>>50131043>There is literally 1 instance of a villager dying to the youkai equivalent of a serial killerBohemia has more mentions of Humans getting killed. PMISS, even freaking PMISS, and Synopsium have mentions of youkai killing villagers. Yukari openly talks about spying on them and blocking them from doing anything they don't want.>>50131051You actively loath Kogasa.
>>50131055They hate the characters and the setting. >>50131064Then post actual evidence. I'll accept a draw if you can post proof.>>50131068Less shit than living in Gensokyo.
>>50131074>Meanwhile, the people of Gensokyo are more spiritually dead than Atheists living in the USSr.Lol, lamo even.
>>50131077>Then post actual evidence. I'll accept a draw if you can post proof.You won't accept it anyway anon, happy people aren't happy to you, they're secretly unhappy because some guy said he heard about a weird fantasy creature last night inbetween drunken bouts of talking shit with his buddy.No anon, you see, the point of the discussion was never to convince you since you are unreasonable, it's just to put you up on a stage where you can be annoying and turn off as many people as possible.
>>50131072Their personalities did change, though I do like the idea that in the case of Nitori she was always a bad egg she was just still trying to put up a air of PR in Mountain of Faith. >2hus are le badUnsympathetic, mostly. With most youkai being a classical example of a race of always chaotic evil people. >GrimdarkIt's not Grimdark on the basis that Gensokyo being razed to the ground is both easy and achievable.>edgy man eater Rumia is somehow canonRumia is canonically too lazy to actually hunt people down. She probably would eat a person if she could but even outsiders aren't inclined to fall for it.
>>50131074You're just scared of her
>>50131083Yes, they are. >>50131085>, happy people aren't happy1: Are those people happy BECAUSE of Gensokyo? If so, can you proof they wouldn't enjoy festivals in the outside world? 2: This has fuck all to do with people being happy. "Can they leave" is a very simple question. Yes or no. Failing that, try to get out a maybe. >they're secretly unhappy because some guy said he heard about a weird fantasy creature last night inbetween drunken bouts of talking shit with his buddy.They would be happier living in the outside world without Youkai.
>>50131088No, I actually like canon kogasa who is kind of a annoying cheeky brat.
>>50131072You're getting confused. Grimsokyo is retarded, the seeds for arrogant two-faced Nitori and hypocritical Byakuren were always there.
>>50131105Sex?
>>50131101>Are those people happy BECAUSE of Gensokyo?Are people happy BECAUSE of the outside world? Happiness is just a state of being, the reason for being happy shouldn't matter too much.The question is actually the opposite since you tend to ignore them being happy: Why aren't villagers happy to see the Primsrivers play if they are supposedly always unhappy?>"Can they leave" is a very simple question.You are so obsessed with this question but it's already something you've said is up to headcanon. If it's up to headcanon, the answer is not "yes or no", that's a lie. It's "maybe" in all cases you can come up with as per the definition of headcanon, including mine or yours.>They would be happier living in the outside world without Youkai.Are you happy right now? Can you measure how happy you are with numbers and quantify it? Probably not. Being happy is just a state of emotion. You can feel certain kinds of anger, but actually putting it down to numbers how angry you are is impossible, a human can only be so angry.The same problem arises there, a happy human is a happy human in all cases.
>>50131105Kogasa is a schemer thoughbeit
>>50131142Why aren't the villagers unhappy to see*
>>50131114These are just your headcanons based off how ZUN handled their characters later.It's you against ZUN's word, sit the fuck down.
>>50130744Tewi gave birth to all those rabbits herself. What a legend.
>>50130638In regard to Grimsokyofags being redditors I actually have a confirmed case of at least one of them being that, there was a guy who just wouldn't leave Byakuren and Kasen threads alone and made threads about Doomguy crossing over into Touhou just to kill 2hus or something pathetic like that, but basically I discovered that this guy was sharing the exact same images and kind of arguments on reddit.So yes, it's perfectly legitimate to call grimsokyofaggotry reddit.https://warosu.org/jp/thread/47193772#p47228552https://www.reddit.com/r/2hujerk/comments/1gtepch/comment/lxn91c7/?context=3The image dimensions and everything match up, it's not posted anywhere else and you can even see the phoneposting filename too lol
>>50131142>Are people happy BECAUSE of the outside world? If you examine most reasons why people feel happiness in the world today. You realize they would be, if not impossible, harder than they would be in Gensokyo. At the very least, any person that experiences happiness in gensokyo would be happier in the outside world. Cause there is nothing in Gensokyo that is better than the outside world.>but it's already something you've said is up to headcanon. No, you fucking dumbass. I've said that if you want to argue for a "maybe, do so. It sounds like a fucking stretch, but I want to see you try it.>Are you happy right now? yes.>Can you measure how happy you are with numbers and quantify it?Yes.>The same problem arises there, a happy human is a happy human in all cases.A human in the outside world is more happy because there are more festivals. There, simple enough. Even you should understand that.
>>50131148Because the Primriver sisters aren't Youkai and listening to their music is basically like taking drugs.
>>50131195>You realize they would be, if not impossible, harder than they would be in Gensokyo.Again with the headcanon.> At the very least, any person that experiences happiness in gensokyo would be happier in the outside world.Also headcanon, you're eternally stuck with the headcanon. It's not "yes", it's "maybe" like you said, act like it.>It sounds like a fucking stretch, but I want to see you try it.You've already faced "maybe" arguments and decided that they weren't good enough because people can have bad moods anon, nobody's going to take that kind of post seriously, as they aren't already.>yes.You don't sound like you are.>Yes.That was a trick question, there's only so much dopamine and chemicals you can feel. So, wrong.>A human in the outside world is more happy because there are more festivals. There, simple enough. Even you should understand that.No, because festivals aren't a measure of happiness just like dishwashers aren't kek, I'm only saying that they are happy because they are shown being happy. We're not given grand displays of the entire village being in despair and horror, more often than not when the whole village is out, they're having the time of their life (and that means, in the same sense we'd be, not like in uh, Faggomunda or whatever tableslop you're obsessed with today). Which is objectively what's happening as much as it upsets you.
>>50130965I already said the two old men from LE>The secret history societyIt's funny you bring that up because 1) That's fucking AYA SHAMEIMARU WRITING THAT SHIT. Aya the notorious fucking liar, there's actually a funny bit in that article where Keine talks about how Reimu needs to advertize herself a bit more to get donations since people don't hear about her exploits. Something which is directly Aya's fault because she refuses to actually write about the good shit Reimu does. 2) I love you got the totally real secret society from it as a takeaway but completely glossed over the actual quote by Keine from the article >"Even if many people now think of youkai as they used to be, these memories can fade in 20 years when the next generation comes about. The youkai are no longer rivals. Despite this, the humans have arbitrarily decided to do away with them. Humans should not be searching for past history, but passing history down the generational line instead. That's much more important." Oh but next you'll say Keine is a half-human race traitor so her word can't be taken... fucking hell>Human villagers wanting Reimu to break up a meeting out of paranoiaA meeting composed entirely of religious leaders who are on friendly terms with the humans? That's another thing too, it's human nature to be irrationally fearful of strange things... not a sign of an atmosphere of paranoia and distrust... plus if the Pope, a Chief Rabbi and a Caliph were meeting in a bar in Uganda, you don't think the folks in town are going to get antsy?>Salt MerchantAte his own horse and was a dick idfc>Fortune TellerAdmittedly Fortune Teller is harder to argue against as one would have to ask what the hell that whole "no villagers turning into a youkai" rule is about, a rule so strong Reimu would be required to murk her best friend Marisa if she crossed the line. Fortune Teller's whole problem was just that he didn't like how humans were at "youkai's mercy" but you kinda have to understand ZUN's Japanese... Japan's at the mercy of China and America. They have nukes, China really fucking hates Japan's guts for WW2. If being at the mercy of someone more powerful is the end of the world then it's Owari Da and yet Japan persists.... actually I wonder if Fortune Teller is sort of an allegory for people saying Japan needs to rearm itself or even gain a nuclear arsenal of it's own. And how it almost seems irrational that for simply wanting to be on a level playing field to be able to defend themselves from their neighbours (whom they are at the complete mercy of) and thus be free they are threatened with potential military action... of course IRL the situation has a lot more complexities and nuances which also applies to how it is in GensokyoAlso the dude hurt Kosuzu in the process of trying to reincarnate himself... he technically broke another important rule the second he was reborn, no hurting the human villagers.>What do you have? Nothing.We have countless instances of extras both from games and mangas happily going about their day, countless instances, hell I even remember the old Geidontei men being quite happy from time to time (cause they're humans yknow). Some photos have even been posted here (and you've responded by passive aggressively posting images of people from dictatorships smiling under duress for a photoshoot... forgetting that mangas aren't staged photoshoots and are windows into this world we're peeking in from). There's also Kosuzu but oooh wait she doesn't count because she's a subject of Nepotism right? Keine also doesn't count in your view because she's a half-youkai race traitorAnyways you've already dismissed festival goers as valid human beings. But just so you know I don't got nothing, you just refuse to accept my something as anything>The part where Yukari literally says "They aren't allowed to seek happiness">Yukari spying on them like big brotherNever been said, Never happened, literal headcanon. Look dude I sometimes mix up what I read in a fanwork as canon sometimes but Bombergrape doujins are...>When you play Undertale do you need somebody to explain to you that the monsters can't leave?Y'know i've seen this as a legit criticism of Undertale. The monsters bitch and moan about how bad they have it in the underground being trapped but they literally have better lives than we do on the surface, no wars, everyone's friends with each other, people own big houses. It's not awful at all, they're just so obsessed with the idea of themselves being trapped they can't enjoy what they have>The food they wouldn't need if they lived in the outside world?Anon we fucking need food, what the fuck are you talking about
>>50131205Sorry, when I wrote this post I was possessed by a retarded secondary who died choking on cock. What I meant to say is that Lunasa and Merlin's solo music is kind of like drugs if you squint really hard and are an autistic retard who doesn't know how emotions work, but as any actual fan could tell you their music gets balanced out by Lyrica's piano into just good music with no detrimental effect on the psyche.
>>50131012NO no no *I'm* into Imperfect Metamorphosis and even I can see this faggot's just objectively wrong. I know how to separate my fanfiction from my canon
>>50131161They're actually adopted WaHH clarifies the Inaba are a family bound by experience, not by blood.
Why are we still humoring the dishwasher retard?
>>50131176Shots fired
This is why you never argue with a jew
>>50131176>Impaler>His friend Nork>This guy>The other guyI wonder if they're all in the same Mutants and Master group? We at least know Nork and Impaler are.
>>50131088Holy fuck not only is this art amazing but it's so absurd. What even is the context of Kogasa fighting fucking Khorne?!
>>50131283If you look up the usually chatter about grimsokyo stuff you're bound to get hits on reddit too, though you're gonna need to look for a bit to find repeat offenders.
>>50131292I know Kogasa being a secret blacksmithing god is a theory among japsNo idea about the art guess the artist just wanted to draw something cool
>>50131176So in otherwords picrel is finally useful. Alright lads, gather around get your copies ready for the next LE thread
>>50131292cuz its cool, and kogasa is cool
>>50131320I prefer Remilia and Flan being the Living Shrines of Odin and Surtur as my crack theories but this one is nice too.Kogasa becoming a blacksmithing god is too feasible and not crack enough.
>>50131341Kogasa is actually scary
>>50131232>Again with the headcanon.Neither happiness and it's correlation to living standards or the living standards of Gensoyko being low are headcanons.>Also headcanon, Unless you want to argue every real world attempt to quantify happiness is wrong in Touhou. It's not.>You've already faced "maybe" arguments and decided that they weren't good enoughNo, I haven't Fucking state them.>That was a trick question, there's only so much dopamine and chemicals you can feelThen its about length.>No, because festivals aren't a measure of happiness They are are according to you.>they're having the time of their life Which they can have in the outside world. More often and easier. No part of it requires Gensokyo to exist and by every objective measure they would experience it more often if Gensokyo was gone.
>>50131341Yeah because technically all Tsukumogami are former gods turned youkaiSymposium of Post-Mysticism even spells it out very very clearlyKogasa is actually shown to be a master blacksmith >>50131144 as seen here actuallyThat's more of an Ippon Datara thing but honestly if Kogasa had been given the proper chance she could genuinely have become a blacksmith godbut alas she has been reincarnated into a horrid youkai who's going to smash up all the dishwashers and force everyone at umbrella point to smile for all the manga panels
>>50131176>Checks reddit>Limbusfag>Helldivers>For Honor>Yuugifag>BorderlandsChecks out
>>50131369gb2reddit
>>50131377Kogasa is a karakasa obake tsukumogami that LARPs as Ippon Datara (who has one eye) but funnily enough has allowed herself to be channeled by Amenohitotsu no Kami who ALSO has one eye
>>50131406wow
>>50131369>Neither happiness and it's correlation to living standards or the living standards of Gensoyko being low are headcanons.Yes they are.>No, I haven't Fucking state them.Dementia isn't a good excuse anon. You've seen plenty of posts in this thread and way back when, you should remember them by heart.>Then its about length.Not really, happiness is happiness. Contentness is contentness.>They are are according to you.Not at all. As I said, they're happy enough to hold festivals constantly and we're shown in the background of the manga that they are happy going along with their day. Obviously when a human intrudes into the story they often have a grievance that's also usually resolved because that's a good way to tell a story.>Which they can have in the outside world.And in Gensokyo.>More often and easierHeadcanon.>No part of it requires Gensokyo to exist and by every objective measure they would experience it more often if Gensokyo was gone.Objective measure according to who, anon? You're basing your entire view of the series on blurbs of incomplete information that have plenty of contradictions and using this to build a world that's supposedly far inferior to our own when we're not really shown much of that at all. Every gripe you see in Gensokyo exists IRL in their own forms but we also see wars, famine and other things that are actually confirmed as happening instead of headcanon famines that have no precedent within the lore at all. Even better, we know youkai and gods protect the village up to and including stopping storms, floods and probably even helping the crops supernaturally, they live in a literal magic land unlike us whilst we're always restricted by pure limitation of resources. Hell, if you're poor or not willing to waste money on things, a good prayer could literally give you money via a favor from the kami via the mechanics of how the world works. Not like that's often necessary given how poverty is not rampant in Gensokyo, only that some people don't have money for every little thing but still get support from their fellow villagers, which we are shown.Now, if that's all, you may wanna get back to /r/touhou or whichever namefag forum you actually belong to.
>>50131429He apparently likes going on Deathbattles and rooting for *checks notes*NuDoomguy... of course
>>50131245>That's fucking AYA SHAMEIMARU WRITING THAT SHIT>Muh ambiguityFucking post actual evidence instead of just going "Well, it MIGHT be a lie.>I love you got the totally real secret society from it as a takeawayI got it because Touhou and Gensokyo changed a lot so most of Keine's comments nowadays have to be taken with a grain of salt. Same doesn't apply to what Aya is saying.>A meeting composed entirely of religious leaders who are on friendly terms with the humans?Two of the people were literally talking about how they viewed the human villagers as livestock.>Ate his own horse if we apply that logic to every other character 99% of them deserve to be violently murdered. Besides, it does serve as a example of unhappiness in Gensokyo.>whole problem was just that he didn't like how humans were at "youkai's mercy" No, he correctly understood his life living in teh human village was worthless compared to the outside world and he wanted to improve it. It had nothing to do with being at the mercy of youkai, he didn't like living in the human village because he thought it was a backwards shithole and the outside world was better. >We have countless instances of extras both from games and mangas happily going about their dayWhich isn't evidence IN FAVOR of Gensokyo because they would be just as happy in the outside world. It shows their capacity to be happy and therefore only highlights how much better off they would be outside Gensokyo.>There's also Kosuzu but oooh wait she doesn't count because she's a subject of Nepotism right?Yes.>KeineDoesn't count because she's been banished to the retcon zone never to be seen again.>Anyways you've already dismissed festival goers as valid human beings. I dismissed it because it's not a point in favor of Gensokyo. They would be just as happy in the outside world and everything indicates they would be happier there.>Never been saidYes, she fucking did you insane stupid piece of shit secondary. For fuck sake. >Y'know i've seen this as a legit criticism of UndertaleI'm sure you have. Turns out people don't care about what they have when they are trapped against their will in a tiny place with no hope of escape. >Anon we fucking need foodWe have enough food in the outside world. Enough to feed everybody in Gensokyo about 9 billion times.
>>50131461>IMGOh no, phonefag phonefag... >>50131176
>>50131261No? It explicitly says their music has a effect on the human psyche that is magical. They aren't just really good at playing.
>>50131472Drugs aren't supernatural, and you're ignoring the most important point.
>>50131492>Drugs aren't supernaturalThat's just what THEY want you to believe.
>>50131461>Fucking post actual evidence instead of just going "Well, it MIGHT be a lie."NTA but journalists are judged on their veracity and Aya has very little, she wrote all of AFiEU too kek
>>50131461Aya is a known liarKeine's comments have to be taken with salt but not Aya? Dude... how can you distrust youkai this much yet trust Aya 100%Nobody viewed the villagers as livestockDude when I'm depressed I don't eat my cat Sesame... you can be unhappy without doing shit like thatDid Fortune Teller actually said he wanted to live in the outside world lol, he still wanted to live in Gensokyo just as a youkai. If anything he was only unhappy that he was a mushy human and not a youkai (and latest LE chapter revealed there's secret magicians like Marisa all across the village so humans aren't so mushy)there's no evidence they would be happier outside Gensokyo, Hitchen's Razor my friendYukari's a known liarI don't get how people are trapped in Gensokyo when it's the size of a country and humans haven't even expanded to fill a fraction of it, sure they're trapped in a metaphorical sense but I'd say you get enough freedom. It's not like the Simpsons movie y'know?We also have enough food to feed everyone in the outside many times over and yet millions starve
>>50131386Fuck off, secondary.>Yes they are.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8565763/>Not really, happiness is happinessThen it's about how long one feels happiness. Thus, more festivals equals longer happiness. >As I said, they're happy enough to hold festivals constantlyReimu is holding festivals. Festivals that would still exist if gensokyo was gone. Thus Gensokyo should be razed to the ground. Same, if not more festivals, less Youkai. All around better.>Obviously when a human intrudes into the story they often have a grievance that's also usually resolved because that's a good way to tell a story.I don't give a fuck. The grievance is youkai. kill All youkai. No grievance. This is objectively better. >And in Gensokyo.No Youkai, more time of their life.>Headcanon.Do you know how many festivals there are in Japan? Infinitely more than in Gensokyo even if we assume every festival we see in every manga takes place within 5 years.>Objective measure according to who, anon?According to all known understanding of humanity and your own retarded logic. They would ahve festivals in the outside world. This is a objective fact. Any grievances they would have are caused by Youkai. This is a objective fact. Remove the grievances(Youkai) and they would be objectively better off. Your own retarded logic only highlights how no happiness they experience in Gensokyo has anything to do with Gensokyo. They WOULD have festivals in the outside world. They WOULD not have to deal with Youkai in the outside world. That is all that matters. Since all human happiness to you is simply people being happy at a festival, the total sum of all human experience is no more or less meaningful than that to you, that is the only conclusion we must draw. If Gensokyo was destroyed, they would be better off because more festivals and no Youkai.>Even better, we know youkai and gods protect the village up to and including stopping storms, floods and probably even helping the crops supernaturally, None of which would be necessary or useful if they were free of Gensokyo. People in Japan are hardly bothered by storms, floods, and crop shortages nowadays. The human villagers would be the same way. The only reason they need it is because they are trapped against their will. That's called a protection racket. >a good prayer could literally give you money via a favor from the kami via the mechanics of how the world worksHeadcanon.>Not like that's often necessary given how poverty is not rampant in GensokyoAverage living standards are statically poverty in comparison to almost anywhere else on the planet. >which we are shown.Headcanon.
>>50131461Taking Keine with a grain of salt makes sense since she's both a Lunarians and Yukari stooge but Aya is somehow even less trustable than that odd combination of allegiances.
>>50131545go back to jerking off with your buddies at r/2hujerk
>>50131504>Aya is a known liarHow would she lie about this? To who? She doesn't lie just for the sake of lying. She lies to make the story more exciting. >Nobody viewed the villagers as livestockByakuren and kanako openly state as much. Read the actual text, subhuman. >Did Fortune Teller actually said he wanted to live in the outside world Yes, but since he couldn't he decided to off himself and become a youkai instead. You fucking secondary.>there's no evidence they would be happier outside GensokyoThe evidence is their consistent intrest in the outside world, total lack of interest in anything having to do with Youkai or Gensokyo, and basic understanding of happiness and standards of living. >Yukari's a known liarWhy would she lie to kasen? What would she get out of lying to kasen? How does this help her goals?Again, you are confusing "X Character lies" with "X character lies for no reason".>when it's the size of a country It's a fucking minor valley. A country? A fucking country? Vatican city is probably bigger. >It's not like the Simpsons movie y'know?No, it is EXACTLY like the Simpson movie. Probably slightly smaller, in fact. >We also have enough food to feed everyone in the outside many times over and yet millions starveNot in japan.
>>50131545Look, Ryoshu is getting her Canto in december. I know Shit Faust is a shit unit but you don't have to take your anger out on her on 2hus.
>>50131557I take her with a grain of salt because canon has changed and also Keine no longer exists as a character anyway.
>>50131586>The evidence is their consistent intrest in the outside world, total lack of interest in anything having to do with Youkai or Gensokyo, and basic understanding of happiness and standards of living.Hey buddy, I think the roman empire and Gensokyo are interesting, that doesn't mean I want to live there.
>>50131595By that logic Yukari is not spying on anyone because the spies no longer exist as a concept anywayYoukai no longer eat people because that no longer exists as a concept anywayHuman villagers can leave because when was the last time the barrier was even mentioned dude, it might not even exist anymoreWow Gensokyo is truly wonderful
>>50131623>Youkai no longer eat people because that no longer exists as a concept anywayBut that is true, preying on humans has become less popular overtime. Kasen even accidentally get's the kappa to stop eating ass.
>>50131610If you have zero interest in the people that make up the majority of the population of your hometown but you do really, REALLY fucking like a different place you would move there if you could. Especially if those people are infinity wealthier and have way more of a future. People have moved for way, WAY less. Most ecenomic migrants moved from places that are leagues above Gensokyo in most measures. You don't want to move to the Roman Empire and Gensokyo because you know your life there would be worse and there is presumably something you like about your hometown. There is nothing anybody in the human village does that shows any love for Gensokyo. Zero, nadda, nothing. Nobody likes Youkai. Nobody wants to be around Youkai. The only mention of humans dealing with Youkai are humans either wanting to kill or get away from Youkai.
>>50131623The spies do exist. This manga is literally about one of Yukari's spies. Youkai eating outsiders is literally mentioned in every Touhou print work and will continue to be mentioned until the franchise ends.>when was the last time the barrier was even mentioned dude, I think Touhou 20.
>>50131545This retard literally just googled "measuring human happiness" and posted the first article that looked like it was scientific. I guaranteed you read nothing of it. As per the article they use a simple 1-10 rating scale to then calculate what they suppose should "count" as happy, essentially the study's trying to rate happiness based on human subjectiveness, not something objective like how many chemicals are in your head which is why I even mentioned chemicals to begin with.No person's going around thinking "hmmm damn i'm only 5/10 happy right now", they think "damn i'm really happy right now, I feel content, I feel dismayed, I feel angry"You only say that when you're asked.If you're by yourself, and you're happy, you're only thinking that you are happy... And well, that's all you need to be happy.>Then it's about how long one feels happiness.No, because happiness isn't as cut and dry as that. It can be about contentness, it can be about joy, love and just a general lack of unease. We're never given any way to objective gauge these in Gensokyo but all the visuals tell us that people are definitely having the time of their life and aren't so unhappy as to mope around on the street wanting to end their life.>I don't give a fuck. The grievance is Your headcanon, yes.>No Youkai, more time of their lifeThere are villagers turned hermits in the village who definitely have more time in their life than any alive human to be happy.>Do you know how many festivals there are in JapanProbably less than the average villager is bound to go to on the count of all the village festivals being local festivities.>According to all known understanding of humanity and your own retarded logicThe only retarded logic here is yours. They WOULD probably have to deal with the world turning to shit like in the Hifuu CDs if they went to the outside world which would probably reduce in plenty of the same unhappiness Renko and Maribel can feel at times, especially since they're also supernatural humans, almost all of them. Also, there's nothing in your headcanon that highlights they would be especially more happy in the outside world, this is just a false assumption you're arguing inside the frame of while being incapable of proving.>People in Japan are hardly bothered by storms, floods, and crop shortages nowadaysThere was a huge problem with rice not that long ago within the last year or so, they get struck by storms all the time that wreak havoc on things, their country was flooded by a tsunami 15 years ago that resulted in immense natural trauma. Would've been sick to have the gods stop that with magic, eh?>Headcanon.No, kami exist in gensokyo and answer prayers, this is literally basic shit in the setting. Its shown numerous times that people are helped seemingly by their prayers.>Average living standards are statically poverty in comparison to almost anywhere else on the planet.In your headcanon, as established.>Headcanon.Kosuzu is literally shown reading to kids to help them study. If you don't like canon so much then maybe you should stay away from it, well, I don't need to say that.Anon, going on like this will change nothing. Return to the subreddit where you belong.
>>50131586I'm done with you dude... like you're literally one of three people that thinks this way. Every other Touhou fan and I mean every other Touhou fan doesn't think the setting works this way including the creator so... what is the point? Also you use fucking reddit, you really can't be calling the kettle a nigger here with your "subhuman" shit
wow it's almost like arguing with a disingenuous pilpuling jew will make you go around in circles
>>50131659Can we all make an agreement next time this guy shows up, just do not engage. Just have fun talking with each other but never to himWe know he's a redditfagWe know he's never going to changeWe know he's wrongthere's no pointand if an agreement is hard to work out let's just make a convenient copypasta to paste in everytime he rears his ugly head to warn others of the dangers of engaging
>>50131645>infinity wealthierI mean Gensokyo isn't capitalist so measuring things like GDP is silly. There was this archeological fraud group that tried to do something similar with fraudulent vases recently and it was just as silly there.>You don't want to move to the Roman Empire and Gensokyo because you know your life there would be worse and there is presumably something you like about your hometown.Not really, the Roman Empire would suck but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life. I wouldn't want to start from scratch in another and I'm a bit comfortable in our modern world. I'm kind of already living my life and wouldn't want a new one.>The only mention of humans dealing with Youkai are humans either wanting to kill or get away from Youkai.Right, its not like they hold festivals together, are friends, hold concerts together, gamble and drink together.
>>50131645>There is nothing anybody in the human village does that shows any love for Gensokyo. Zero, nadda, nothing. Nobody likes YoukaiThe people in the village fucking love their zashiki-warashi, claiming otherwise is quite literally lying. Why lie?
>>50131715>its not like they hold festivals together, are friends, hold concerts together, gamble and drink together.Arguably this only applies to certain human friendly youkai almost other youkai keep up the appearance of being scary for theater
>>50131715One of the issues is that by his argument every character that would prove such things to be true is invalid in someway and that because ZUN won't write a story with an entirely new human villager character just chilling and hanging out with youkai it's proof everything's shitAgain he's a redditor, no shit he cannot comprehend the idea of a setting as multiple stories written by a human being
>>50131726They're also really happy to see them return even after they disappeared into thin air in front of them. So much for unease and fear, but muh grimsowkyo... belongs on reddit, that is
>>50131737It's fortunate that human friendly youkai seem to be the norm nowadays to the point Reimu's miffed she doesn't get more work>>50129932
>>50131715>Not really, the Roman Empire would suck but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life. I wouldn't want to start from scratch in another and I'm a bit comfortable in our modern world. I'm kind of already living my life and wouldn't want a new one.This is pretty much what I'd think too. Gensokyo has even less issues than you'd have in ol' Rome and we're already told that outsiders are valued and sometimes even decide to stay despite it somehow being such an great, unhappy, dystopic place. The whole premise of the "argument" is built on such shaky foundations that I'm wondering why it ever got its start, but the answer is probably autism.
>>50130964Don't be sad for him, this is what he voted for.I really think there is a huge missed opportunity for ZUN to do stories with youkai who feel like they lost their purpose.Have them as people with a general sense of malaise and inability to settle into the modern Gensokyo, which alienates them almost as much as the Outside World does.There's lots of opportunities there, from characters who want things to return to how they once were and regret ever going along with the Hakurei's scheme, those who are actively trying to escalate conflicts, those who strong wish they could just be human because they think they're the only people who are truly alive, those who keep throwing themselves into new pursuits in hope of finding something fulfilling, and those who think it would've been better for youkai to just fade away naturally instead of seeking to artificially prolong their existence.At one point, it seemed like this would actually be a notable part of the setting, like with Aya commenting in Rumia's interview that many youkai seem to just act without purpose or meaning to their existence.But actually doing anything with that would require ZUN to write a story with an actual sense of gravitas and seriousness, but as we see with Mizuchi's story, ZUN just fundamentally doesn't want to commit to anything serious so we're forever stuck with silly stories about silly girls in silly hats with no real stakes or consequences.
>>50131586>She lies to make the story more exciting.And you know what makes things more exciting? Exaggerating details that make people feel at unease, that make people fume and make people excited to see what's next. If you report "the sky was blue today, good forecast, gods will stop the storm" for the umpteenth time it gets old. If Reimu shows her armpits, "reimu flashes the public" would be exciting (and Aya canonically planned to sell pictures of her in a short skirt with cleavage showing so she's definitely not beyond this) and if a bunch of humans started saying weird things you're sure to make youkai read this by overplaying how they feel.The stories are literally built to be headcanon'd with the way they're set up, so there's plenty of wiggle room.
>>50131809>I really think there is a huge missed opportunity for ZUN to do stories with youkai who feel like they lost their purpose.Aya has some of that, feeling trapped in her job, not apricated, and complaining about not being able to set fires or attack people anymore.
>>50131830I think he just meant that he wants youkai Mizuchi, which would probably mindbreak grimfags even harder.
>>50131659>This retard literally just googled "measuring human happiness"Nope. Looked up correlation between human happiness and living standards. >No person's going around thinking "hmmm damn i'm only 5/10 happy right now"there are ways to measure happiness and there is a correlation between happiness and living standards. To what extent it's fully possible to measure happiness is harder to say. But if your argument is that people at a festival are happy is evidence that everybody at the human village is happy. can you prove the majority of the population even goes to the festivals?>but all the visuals tell us that people are definitely having the time of their life and aren't so unhappy No? Most visuals indicate they dislike being around youkai, a few visuals indicate they are happy at festivals and ONLY at festivals for the most part.>Your headcanon, yes.No, a actual description of the plot of every Touhou manga.>There are villagers turned hermits in the village Headcanon.>Probably less than the average villager No? Japan has a ton of festivals. Even if we assume every festival shown in every manga happens in a 5 year span it's still way less than festivals in any part of Japan.>They WOULD probably have to deal with the world turning to shit like in the Hifuu CDsThe world of Hifuu is by every measure better than Gensokyo.>Reduce in plenty of the same unhappiness Renko and Maribel can feel at times,Renko and maribel are irresponsible and unlikeable teenagers. renko even admits at multiple times that she knows what she's doing is wrong but still keeps up doing it.>especially since they're also supernatural humansSo they are just being selfish bitches. Good for them, but I have no sympathy for them nor do I view their X-Men like existence as evidence that the future is bad. >Also, there's nothing in your headcanon that highlights they would be especially more happy in the outside worldI don't care about especially more happy. I would kill every single Youkai and raze Gensokyo to the ground just to make them a bit more comfortable. My headcanons are infinity worse than the actual facts I keep mentioning. > kami exist in gensokyo and answer prayersKami exist in the outside world as well, dumbass. >Its shown numerous times that people are helped seemingly by their prayers.>SeeminglyYes.>In your headcanon, as established.Zun literally describes it as having late Edo living standards. We can measure those compared to most of the world. It's a backwards shithole worse off than 90% of Africa. >Kosuzu is literally shown reading to kids to help them studyThat's not support in case of a crisis, you idiot. Nor is it even a established trend considering it's ONLY Kosuzu that is mentioned doing it.>Anon, going on like this will change nothing. Stop spouting retarded shit and actually stick to canon. Until you do that, nothing will change.>>50131662>Every other touhou fanEvery other touhou Fan openly fucking hates canon and ignores it proudly. Gensokyo being a shithole is literally the entire point of the story and you missing that is evidence of your media illiteracy.>There was a huge problem with rice not that long ago And guess how many people starved? Nobody.
>>50131844What's with the gap big guy?Did Yukari do something.
>>50131715>I mean Gensokyo isn't capitalist so measuring things like GDP is sillyEven ignoring GDP, in raw production values Gensokyo is a shitty backwater. >but I just have connections, people who rely on me, and things like that in my life. Which the human villagers would have in the outside world.> its not like they hold festivals together, Where Youkai are disguised.>Are friendsOh yeah, let's look at all of the human villagers that have canonically befriended youkai: Long list.>GambleHumans are disguised.>DrinkYoukai literally have to show up after dark.>>50131726Arguably not actually Youkai, but not going to get into that. Either way, fucking hilarious considering they are literally keeping track on them like the youkai equivalent of the gestapo. So, the one example of humans caring about Youkai... and it would be 100% times better for everybody involved if they were racist assholes.
>>50131851That's just his asshole.
>>50131823>Exaggerating details that make people feel at uneaseAnd what does she fucking write anon? What part is exaggerated?
>>50131851I have no clue. Don't care, you fuckers deserve it.
>>50131868>Even ignoring GDP, in raw production values Gensokyo is a shitty backwater.Gensokyo doesn't really have a lot of industry but they do seem to produce a lot of rice, grain, and sugar.The Kappa also have a salt supplier but that's from the outside world.>Which the human villagers would have in the outside world.The human villagers do have that. It's called other human villagers.>Humans are disguised.In the youkai equivalent of black face that the youkai have to grit their teeth at and accommodate.It's pretty funny.
>>50131844>Every other touhou Fan openly fucking hates canon and ignores it proudlycare to explain how is this bad? because for a fandom that supposedly "hates" canon, it sure is extremely dedicated and has produced many high-quality derivative works
>>50131887I deserve to have a big gap in my posts?WellThat's just rude.
>>50131779"Human friendly" is a pretty broad term but more or less means what youkai the general human populace are willing to mingle with based on past myths and present trends.Tengu? Very territorial and might kidnap you, not human friendlyTanuki? Cunning tricksters, not human friendlyFoxes? same as above, not human friendlyTsukumogami? Ordinary people might be scared if their stuff suddenly started talking behind their back, but some are tolerated and loved, somewhat human friendly.Then a ton of other smallfry youkai here and there, usually they're the kind kids talk about for a week or two then forget. Most smallfry are scared of the Human Village due to its significance and the consequences of messing with a Human Villager.All of this changes over time with how the youkai factions try to fuck each other over with slander and rumours. So one faction that may be tolerated one time could very well be casted out on sight another time. Of course, Reimu's job is to make sure they don't do it excessively (to a certain degree of success) and the other religious factions seek to counter-play any youkai psyops with their own.Whoever rules the Human Village, rules Gensokyo.
>>50131891>Gensokyo doesn't really have a lot of industry but they do seem to produce a lot of rice, grain, and sugar.They produce a decent amount that probably puts them above a subsidence economy.>The human villagers do have that. It's called other human villagers.Which they would have outside of Gensokyo.>>50131941>it sure is extremely dedicated and has produced many high-quality derivative worksHigh quality? Please don't give me that crap. At best it got decent art or gameplay. Story wise it's all fucking trash. Pseudo gacha slop on par with shit that other fandoms use to wipe their ass. Most shitty fanfics I read in the early 2008 were better in actual content.
>>50131999>Tanuki? Cunning tricksters, not human friendlyAya is that you? Jealous that Mamziou had a human boyfriend?
>>50132004>Which they would have outside of Gensokyo.Yeah, you can have human connections as long as there are humans. And there are humans inside and outside of Gensokyo so both populations of humans have human connections.I'm glad we can agree on that.
>>50132004>Pseudo gacha slopand there's nothing wrong with thatif I wanted to read good stories I'd go to another fandom
>>50132018My point is that if all of Gensokyo was razed, they would still have those connections. >>50132025>if I wanted to read good stories I'd go to another fandomWell, fair enough. Can't disagree with you.
>>50131844>Nope. Looked up correlation between human happiness and living standards. Same shit, the study you posted goes over a purely subjective standard. I was talking about facts, if you feel good you feel good and that's the end of that. There's no grade, there's just different types of feeling good.>But if your argument is that people at a festival are happy is evidence that everybody at the human village is happy. can you prove the majority of the population even goes to the festivals?>a few visuals indicate they are happy at festivals and ONLY at festivals for the most part.There are way more people that go to festivals on screen that are ever shown on screen being unhappy or even slightly uneased. By this measure the premise it's extremely easy to say you are just blatantly incorrect even by your own standards, but as established previously it doesn't count, because... it just doesn't, ok? Kek, you're a laugh riot.We're seeing random background humans interacting like always in nearly every other scene and you think there's a huge swathe of them that are unhappy? Even if you counted "shocked reactions to something happening on the street" as "unease" rather than just basic attention to something unusual I guarantee you wouldn't even be able to objectively rate them as 20% unhappy.We have showcases in the games too where the villagers are pretty fine with weird looking humans. What you just need to get is that Touhou is based on the dichotomy between early youkai, which were more supernatural and horror-derived, and later youkai, which are just funny goofy spirits. Gensokyo as a whole leans way more into the funny goofy spirits thing, because that's how far youkai have developed to the point that they are basically just funny humans.>No, a actual description of the plotAccording to your headcanon.>Headcanon.No, there's a pretty clear case of a guy who's by all means a hermit in name appeara and abilities and you'd remember him if you read the manga. Hermits are also referred to in the lore, implying there's more than one of them and they are also allies of humans.>The world of Hifuu is by every measure better than Gensokyo.I wouldn't say a world ravaged by global warming, habitat destruction and so on and so forth is in any way superior to Gensokyo.>renko even admits at multiple times that she knows what she's doing is wrongYeah but they're not shown being happy with those things in the supposedly superior world.>Good for them, but I have no sympathy for them nor do I view their X-Men like existence as evidence that the future is bad.The story literally spells it out for you, if the story is not evidence then we can only assume that fanfiction is the only evidence you buy.>Kami exist in the outside world as well, dumbass.And as shown with Kanako and Suwako, both different kinds of kami, their influence in the outside world wanes and they go to Gensokyo to preserve themselves. The tsunami happened, and no kami saved Japan from it.>Yes.So it happened.>Zun literally describes it as having late Edo living standardsLate Edo is on the cusp of Taisho which was on the cusp of the industrial age, but we're shown that they have electricity, they can shit out icecream, and various other infrastructure projects. They have some modern tech and magic intersecting to create something that you can only vaguely compare to "late edo", by all showings.>Nor is it even a established trend considering it's ONLY Kosuzu that is mentioned doing it.Anon just because Kosuzu is the only one shown doing it doesn't mean the others dont, she's a normal villager who happens to like books. Many other humans do it too, and we're offered zero incentive to believe they don't help each other except in of course, your headcanon.>Stop spouting retarded shit and actually stick to canon. Until you do that, nothing will change.Nothing will change because you are an obtuse retard from reddit who posts from a phone and values taking the gaps in the lore to push grimderp retardation instead of something that's probably closer to the intent of the writer who literally just pushed out an arc where a grimsokyofag gets blown the fuck out. It's fair to say that the certified retard here was always you, especially since practically nobody agrees with you.
It hates canon Touhou.It hates fan works.It has literally no reason to post in a Touhou fan community outside of...Guys, I'm starting to think that this guy might be.... a troll?
>>50132013Well it can change to "Oh Tanuki are good actually they helped that boy from that oppressive master and helped him live a good life without regret of killing him", which is why all the factions desperately try to influence the HV every chance they get
>>50132048>It has literally no reason to post in a Touhou fan communityThat's exactly what I don't get, why not just fuck off instead of fruitlessly trying to convert everyone to the grimshit belief?
>>50132067autismdishwashers
>>50132067jews will forever jew
I am PoopDick, and I trolled everyone! Trolololol!
>>50132067Like most trolls, he's an attention whore that gets it by acting out.
Can we just start referring to Grimsokyo as Redditsokyo?
>>50132110always was
>>50129187Redditsokyofags, you're not you when you're hungry...Eat some ice cream.
>>50132047> I was talking about facts,Yes. Facts like the connection between happiness and standards of living. here are more, btw: https://ourworldindata.org/happiness-and-life-satisfactionhttps://ipc2021.popconf.org/uploads/210363https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214804324000272>There are way more people that go to festivals on screen that are ever shown on screen being unhappy or even slightly uneasedNo, there fucking aren't. Simply through teh nature of the Touhou manga still being about something you are wrong. If you disagree, post evidence.>By this measure the premise it's extremely easy to say you are just blatantly incorrectIf you ignore the part where you are totally wrong, sure.>According to your headcanon.The youkai manga are about problems caused by Youkai. No youkai, no problem.> wouldn't say a world ravaged by global warming, habitat destruction and so on and so forth is in any way superior to Gensokyo.>RavagedLol. It's midly bothered by global warming. Humans are free to find happiness in whatever way they desire, free from the interference of Youkai seeking to keep them down. Plant life bieng gone is a small price to pay in comparison. >Hermits are also referred to in the lore,PMISS explicitly says they don't live in the human villager. Nor do the taoists, secondary.>Yeah but they're not shown being happy with those things in the supposedly superior world.Because they are bad people, yes.>The story literally spells it out for you, That they are bad people.>And as shown with Kanako and Suwako, both different kinds of kami, their influence in the outside world wanes and they go to Gensokyo to preserve themselves. And? Many gods are still around. Prayers still work. The fact that the gods are fading shows humans no longer need them. Much like the human villagers would find such gods obsolete if they left Gensokyo.>So it happened.Look up what seemingly means.> but we're shown that they have electricity, they can shit out icecream, and various other infrastructure projectsSo, most likely, slightly below modern North Korea.>They have some modern tech and magic intersecting to create something that you can only vaguely compare to "late edo", by all showingsOnly the Tengu and kappa. human villagers mostly get to eat shit being stuck in Gensokyo's version of Gaza.>it doesn't mean the others dontHeadcanon.>she's a normal villager who happens to like books.headcanon.>Many other humans do it too,Headcanon.>instead of something that's probably closer to the intent of the writer who literally just pushed out an arc where a grimsokyofag gets blown the fuck outHe didn't. He just highlighted how Reimu is a spoiled bitch.
>>50132048>It hates canon Touhou.Stop confusing me with the other guy.>hate fan workMostly, yeah.>TrollIt's because I do actually care about canon and I'm tired of seeing you pervert it.
>>50132222>Plant life bieng gone is a small price to pay in comparison.>I'd rather destroy the entire planet that suffer a single youkaiAlso the outside world still has human sacrifice to youkai. It's mentioned in dateless bar old adam.
bait or genuine retardation, call it
>>50132254Genuine retardation.
>>50132241>I'd rather destroy the entire planet that suffer a single youkaiDestroying the entire planet is not killing all plant life, dumbass. >Also the outside world still has human sacrifice to youkai.If you are going to make stuff up could you at least quote the actual lines you are misunderstanding so I can laugh at it? >>50132254Neo nazi subhumanness.
>>50132264>Destroying the entire planet is not killing all plant life, dumbass.
>>50132264You and your fellow kikes will burn in hell
>>50132267Yes. This is blowing up a planet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g77WN6obk4This is killing all life on a planet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVESee the difference?
>>50132234>Stop confusing me with the other guy.It's pretty hard to tell you two apart. Maybe you should go back to writting fanfic instead of arguing.
>>50132282Death is a gift to the Nazi. He exists to die and it is only in death that he will find happiness. Grant him the gift.
>>50131830That's more of a tengu and their oppressive caste system and hierarchy thing. Part of it could be argued to be due to them building their entire society around poorly imitating humans, but I'm pretty sure that Aya would still be in a dead-end position even if the tengu were still kidnapping children and eating them regularly.>>50131839Nah, Mizuchi was retarded. We didn't even get a real reason why she wanted to prevent the more peaceful Gensokyo from happening, even though as a shrine maiden or assistant, she'd have more than enough to do in just regular shrine business.Youkai not being able to cope with life in post-barrier Gensokyo because it goes entirely against their nature is a far more interesting concept to explore than some dumb brat who couldn't get a man because of the tobacco stink and threw a hissy fit in response.
>>50132289>I'd rather commit genocide on all plant life then suffer the existence of a single youkaiBased nazi.
>>50132298ts not tuff
>>50132222>Yes. Facts like the connection between happiness and standards of livingThen prove the standard of living is at all marginally worse without relying on headcanon like famine existing when we have zero proof it does, and regardless of the regular low effort spam search for "research" it still doesn't fit "happiness" as I've defined it.There is contentness, joy, and other emotions often correlated with happiness and you have literally zero way of actually approximating them for your headcanon without basically writing a fanfic.>No, there fucking aren't.Yes there is, the amount of people you can count having fun in festivals just using the background would probably be in the hundreds approaching thousand while random slightly inconvenienced people would be approaching maybe a hundred if we're generous, only if you cheat and count every panel of the same dude could you even get close to evening it, but not really.>If you ignore the part where you are totally wrong, sure.But enough about yourself.>The youkai manga are about problems caused by YoukaiAre you putting your text into an AI now to shit out buzzwords? Humans having a mental episode happens anywhere anytime for almost any reason, the case with the guy who needed meds is just a case of that happening in Gensokyo. There's no reason to assume it underlines any special trend, just like with anything else of the few isolated incidents where individual humans said they were slightly miffed (of which there aren't many)>Humans are free to find happiness in whatever way they desirePlant life being gone is always a huge issue. Global warming is an existential threat to all life on the planet. Also they locked up Merry in isolation and said she had delirium from a virus after Torifune, when she was more than likely just recounting that she went onto a satellite in space, but that was enough for them to consider her delirious. Doesn't sound like being so free to me if you can only really bring that stuff up in private to people who won't drag you off.>Because they are bad people, yes.>That they are bad people.Nah, I think you're just retarded and angry that the story isn't conforming to what you want it to be.>The fact that the gods are fading shows humans no longer need themMany gods are around but not powerful enough to act, especially not against a tsunami. I wonder if the ability to use the earth would've been useful to stop a big ass earthquake, probably.>Look up what seemingly means.They prayed, they got what they wanted. Seemingly, apparently, most likely: Not leaning in your direction. That should be simple to understand.>So, most likely, slightly below modern North Korea.The meme again? You can literally only rely on headcanon to push this. There's no example of the level of repression in NK or the literal famine they had in Gensokyo, that is still your headcanon and it will always be because the story never supported it.>human villagers mostly get to eat shit being stuck in Gensokyo's version of Gaza.Humans are shown having learnt magic while living within the village, they all descend from youkai exterminators and the one case with Marisa requires headcanon to turn it into abuse instead of concern over a girl being obsessed with trying everything to become, among other things, immortal.>Headcanon.Glad you admit it is your headcanon that they do.>Headcanon.We're shown nothing to indicate that Kosuzu had a special upbringing beyond having a family that has access to books. She is by all means a rather normal village girl who has books. Quacks like a duck, etc.>Headcanon.Why would they not? People have historically taught eachother nearly everything. Even if we go with the harebrained assumption that Gensokyo is subhumanly bad, they'd literally have to stop acting like humans to not teach other anything. It sounds more like you desperately want your fanfiction to be true (again)>He just highlighted how Reimu is a spoiled bitch.If you don't have basic reading comprehension where Mizuchi didn't get epically owned over being an asshole who attacked humans over her own prejudice regarding youkai which is still funny because it so closely mirrors how dumb you are.
>>50132110No because Reddit would be obsessed with Konohanasakuyahime = Sakuya, not this
>MUH GENSOKYO GDPWhat are we even doing?
>>50132405We are making fun of a redditor, be patient
>>50132405You don't understand they render human corpses for sugar and salts. That's where they get it all from.
>Hates trees and grass.>Hates his mother and would trade her for a dishwasher.Why are anti-youkai bitches likt his
>>50132446I mean if you pay attention to what they say they're just rabidly anti-people and they just want to invent excuses to act so whilst appearing morally defensible.
This is sign that we need new CDS chapter ASAP, he is hitting his limits
>>50132456please wait warmly, MiMi-chan is busy for another month
Why wait for another post? It'll just be another Redditsokyo cope meltdown, everyone here knows he's wrong so I suggest we just edit CDS panels to make fun of redditsokyo, this one seems like a great candidate >>50129187
>>50132465Yeah I'm fucking her silly right now
It's been a while since I enjoyed a good thread in this forsaken board....
>>50132291How about you stop being stupid instead?
>>50132685You first.
>>50132685Takes one to know one.
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>>50132301Nazis are Youkai >hen prove the standard of living is at all marginally worse without relying on headcanon Zun said living standards are about late Edo level in print works. Those standards are worse than most of the planet.>and you have literally zero way of actually approximating them for your headcanon without basically writing a fanfic.A world in which people are free to find their own happiness without youkai getting in the way is by default a happier world.>would probably be in the hundreds approachingIt's not even a hundred. Meanwhile the amount of humans who are shown being annoyed by youkai existing is far, FAR higher.>here's no reason to assume it underlines any special trend, just like with anything else of the few isolated incidents where individual humans said they were slightly miffed (of which there aren't many)Even those few humans is enough to condone all Youkai to extinction.>Are you putting your text into an AI now to shit out buzzwords? No, I'm literally repeating what you said. The manga constantly show Youkai causing problems. it highlights how they deserve to die.>Global warming is an existential threat to all life on the planet.It isn't in teh future of Hifuu. So who cares if a few plants re dead?>Also they locked up Merry in isolation and said she had delirium from a virus after Torifune,Oh god, the horror. Imagine locking somebody up against their will for no reason.>Doesn't sound like being so free to me if you can only really bring that stuff up in private to people who won't drag you off.Sounds like a worse version of gensokyo, where you can't even do that in private without having the Youkai SS drag you off.>Nah, I think you're just retarded and angry that the story isn't conforming to what you want it to be.They are bad people. Even assuming maribel doesn't literally become a mass murdering rapist dictator she is still a dumb college student uncaring about the consequences of her actions and Renko somebody who enables her.>Many gods are around but not powerful enough to act, They were never actually powerful enough to stop tsunami's otherwise they wouldn't have happened in japanese history, moron.>They prayed, they got what they wanted.So do people in the outside world. often without any actual gods being involved.>You can literally only rely on headcanon to push this. North Korea has better living standards than late Edo Japan.>Humans are shown having learnt magic while living within the village, tNo, they aren't. >We're shown nothing to indicate that Kosuzu had a special upbringingHer parents own a store. She is at best upper middle class.>Why would they not?Because why social mobility doesn't benefit the rich merchant class looking for cheap labor to beat half to death. >they'd literally have to stop acting like humans to not teach other anythingWhich is why all societies had a 100% literacy rate. >If you don't have basic reading comprehension where Mizuchi didn't get epically owned over being an asshole She got owned mostly because she remembered her past relationship with teh hakurei maiden. Reimu was mostly just being a dumb spoiled bitch and the story treated her accordingly.
>>50132714oops
>>50132714>>50132719AmazingWhat fond is this btw?
>>50132453Being anti youkai is being pro people.>>50132693I am. Mostly cause I actually read canon works.>>50132695No, you can know one by being smart as well. Though I doubt you know that experience. >>50132719>It's not girmdark because ice cream exists.I can literally make this same argument for 40K, 1984, Brave New World, etc. It's a nonsense argument that doesn't change the fact that all humans would be objectivily better off in the outside world.
>>50132720wild words
>>50132718can you format your post readably you redditspacing retard
>>50132720*FontSubhuman can't spell, it seems. >>50132725Only if you state a single fact containing canon information. Do it.
>>50132719Appreciate the effort, saved.
>>50132723>I am.Yes, you are indeed stupid, glad we agree on something.
>>50132727Only if you stop spouting head canon.
>>50132729You are a disgusting secondary that has never read a single Touhou manga or played a single game in your life. The cancer that is killing touhou.
>>50132727what are you talking about secondarynobody gives a fuck how much garbage youve lazily read through
>>50132733Touhou is already dead
>>50132733>>50132695
fucking retard who doesnt have anything past a normal clear is spamming textwalls in the thread because he feels good about consuming droves of side content nobody cares you are worthless
>>50132730I I have never stated a single headcanon in this entire thread. Meanwhile, every single argument you posted is nonsense headcanons.>Kosuzu helping people is normalheadcanon.>Human villagers are happy on averageHeadcanon>Most of the human village goes to festivalsHeadcanon.>Yukari was lying about killing peopleheadcanon>Aya was lying about people being killedHeadcanon.>Gods can stop tsunami'sHeadcanon.>Gods can stop EarthquakesHeadcanon.>Prayers can make you richHeadcanon.>Human villagers would be unhappy in the outside worldHeadcanon>Human villagers only have a surface level intrest in the outside worldheadcanon.>Hakurei barrier doesn't existHeadcanon. >Youkai and humans are friendsHeadcanon.>Ice cream is cheap and affordable Headcanon.>Gensokyo has zero food issuesHeadcanon.>Byakuren and Kanako did not view the human villagers as livestock.Headcanon.
>>50132753Nah, I've played the games.>>50132734>Nobody cares about actually knowing canonThis is why this fancer is cancer. >>50132755Cleared several extra bosses.
>>50132733Post your 1ccs, preferably above Normal
>>50132734Cute Mystia fanart with nails that's rare.
>>50132763>Cleared several extra bossesAHAHAHAHAHAHE THINKS THAT MEANS ANYTHINGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>50132768It's more than you, secondary.>>50132765I mostly cleared normal and a few extra stages. But it's more than you so it should be sufficient.
>>50132718>>50132723You are coping again by inventing youkai SS that don't exist anywhere within the setting and pretending the standards of living are edo-period when they clearly aren't by simple visuals told to us. People in NK die of famine but they don't in Gensokyo. Humans objectively can learn magic in the village and we see them having done this, like Fortune Teller for example, they are youkai exterminators so it also makes sense they able to pull that off.The world of Hifuu fucking sucks and you have to be literally retarded not to think that.Maribel and Renko do nothing especially bad in their stories aside from Renko kicking a jizo.You claim they didn't stop tsunamis when it's pretty clear that they could've stopped them without us knowing simply by preventing them from occurring in the first place.People in the outside world don't produce the supernatural because they don't believe in it enough, if they did then Gensokyo wouldn't exist as it does and be attractive to gods.North Korea has famine and death and all the wealth goes to one guy at the top, which is pretty different from Gensokyo where death is not even commonly depicted within literally over a decade of lore dumps.You don't know how Gensokyo's class system works, how people are distributed across it or even how they largely interact or what they have access to beyond very tiny tidbits.We have nothing to clue us in on exactly how literate everyone in the village is, nor did my post specifically refer to literacy, it referred to being taught. Evidently people from the middle class (in your standard) are able to work charitably with the low class.>she got owned because [...] Reimu was mostly just [headcanon]Anon, ZUN wrote a whole climax where Mizuchi acted like a conniving bitch against literally everyone, including the humans involved's, interests. Reimu pursuing a peaceful solution in the stead of going full grimsokyo and pretending youkai are inherently murderous like in ye olde folktales (refer to the dichotomy) clue into this well thematically, which is why it's probably true. Way more true than it being a secret, long-form way of telling you Reimu is spoiled. But the idea of that doesn't make you very happy because that means you'd have sunk your time into a bunch of nonsense.
>>50132758Of course, gods and Youkai don't have any actual power and it's all smoke and mirrors.
>>50132774nah im LNB level which isnt even impressive but its probably incomprehensible to your monkey brainstop speaking secondary
>>50132774>>50132781Nice, a tard fight.
>>50132778>gods and Youkai don't have any actual power and it's all smoke and mirrors.that's my unironic headcanon tho, everyone in gensokyo is just humans playing pretendthe games and manga events are them just acting out their rolesand after it ends they all have a drink together and go home
>>50132777>that don't exist anywhereFuck off. Already disproved that here: >>50131461>pretending the standards of living are edo-periodLate Edo and that is LITERALLY how ZUN described it. Not me, ZUN.>People in NK die of famineThey mostly don't anymore. Last great famine was over twenty yourself. Meanwhile, do you have any evidence that nobody in gensokyo dies of starvation? Not mere assumptions along the lines of "Well, they THEORETICALLY should have enough food". >like Fortune Teller The guy who got kicked out of human society because he learned magic? Not huge magic, just minor divination. > they are youkai exterminators They AREN'T youkai exterminators. They are related from Youkai exterminators. Most of which aren't magical. >The world of Hifuu fucking sucksHow is it worse than Gensokyo? Fuck plants, I'll take video games and modern food over shitting in a outhouse but I have flowers. The one crime you mention is done worse in gensokyo. It's also done in an actual democratic society where people collectively voted on this. There is zero implication that it's dictatorship, like Gensokyo. Why do you hate freedom? >People in the outside world don't produce the supernatural because they don't believe in it enoughWhich is overwelmingly shown as a good thing. The existence of the supernatural is nothing but harmful. >North Korea has famine and death and all the wealth goes to one guy at the top,It goes to a small group of elite people at the top who threat the rest like livestock. Sounds like Gensokyo, just replace "Communist party" with "Youkai". And at least nowadays it has significantly less death. you can actually go to north Korea without incident. A tourist trip to Gensokyo will see you condemened to a painful and slow death followed by a shallow grave. >You don't know how Gensokyo's class system works,Humans are livestock. youkai are acutal people. Outside of that it's been shown rich people can literally have children as labor and are free to physically abuse them. That is evil. Why are you pro child labor and child abuse? >We have nothing to clue us in on exactly how literate everyone in the village isWe know there are enough illiterate people for Kosuzu to have to teach them. You know what the literacy rate is in modern japan? 99% of the total population >Anon, ZUN wrote a whole climax where Mizuchi acted like a conniving bitch against literally everyoneShe was genuinly portrayed as sympathetic and was mostly in the right. Meanwhile, Reimu's solution was peaceful but her actual argument even in universe was completly trash. > pretending youkai are inherently murderous liher argument isn't even that Youkai aren't inherently murderous. Her argument is "Humans will do fine because Youkai can't just kill them all." Which is a hillarious example of her being spoiled because when she says that she's actually just talking about herself.> Way more true than it being a secret, long-form way of telling you Reimu is spoiled. Reimu has always been portrayed as spoiled and priviliged. If you weren't so high on shitty "Reimu is poor" memes you would understand that.
>>50132787not a tard fight cause he'll never respond to me cause he's a pussy retard faggot secondary and he knows it lol
>>50132778>Youkai and gods have powers to stop tsunami's and earthquakes>Which is why Japan in the past suffered zero earthquakes and Tsunami's.Hmmmm....>>50132781>nah im LNB leveldoubt that considering you are a obvious secondary.
>>50132826https://voca.ro/1dhTeZenKrNj
ITS NAWT TRUEEEEEEEEEEE IM NOT A SECONDARY LOOK AT MY EXTRA CLEARS (literal garbage)phahahasome of you retards i swear
>>50132830God, you sound like a guy I used to play world of Warcraft classic with.>>50132835Less of a secondary than you considering I actually seem to understand canon.
>>50132840https://voca.ro/11Wvzp3ajL37
>>50132840You should stop responding to this retard he is a /v/hu schizo stirring shit up.
>>50132851no two people are actually trying to talk to each othersorry you dont like me retard but you dont need to go around sperging out
>>50132847I understand the source material better than you because if you play the game and don't accept Grimsokyo as canon you are obviously lying. Nah, but seriously did you actually play World of Warcraft?
>>50132840https://voca.ro/121hLV9EZdPx
>>50132862https://voca.ro/1ofKkr1guCpk
>>50132863Did you play World of Warcraft?>>50132867Grimsokyo is canon because if you played the games you will realize they are canon.
>>50132871if you are actually just mentally ill and not doing this on purpose you are ok and im sorryif youre doubling down and trying to be funny cause u have nothing to say please kill yourself
>>50132874I got nothing to say because you are a secondary and have shown as such in your weird attempt at actually talking.Also you do genuinly sound like a wow player.
ok i was bullying a literal retard i feel bad now thanks guy
/v/hu wonRedditsokyo lost
>>50132883Back to your mental ward with you.
>>50132758>Kosuzu helping people is normalDon't see any reason to assume it isn't normal if helping each other is normal in smaller communities in real life.It's also mentioned that literally "Society cannot function with all humans possessing the same social standing and rank." in reference to the human village, so in the present, they function with less hierarchy than you imagine.>Human villagers are happy on averageYou have an easy avenue of proving this wrong, tag every human that shows up in games, manga and so on and check how many are happy, indifferent or genuinely unhappy and you'd find that most are probably in the former two. Making the case for them being unhappy universally will always be harder objectively, but you can prove it, even though you won't.>ummm the humans don't go to their festivalsThe only instance of them rejecting festivals we're ever clued into is when they occur at Reimu's shrine or when the weather sucks really badly>Yukari was lying about killing peopleWe're never clued into her killing anybody.>Aya was lyingAbsolutely canon about a huge chunk of her escapades.>Gods can stopYeah they can>Prayers can make youMost of anything, yes, they can even give you fortune or give you shit fortune, which literally happens>Human villagers would be unhappy in the outside worldThe idea of taking them into the outside world would have to come with a convincing argument that they would be happier in the outside world which you can't define because you can't define the living standards using what's on screen nor can you define what happiness actually entails or if gensokyo has it and whenever you do it's based on a bunch of creative interpretation (i.e. headcanon) like anything else>surface level interestThe ones that have a deeper interest have been shown so exceedingly few times that there's no reason to believe they are a significant majority or anything but outliers.>Hakurei barrier doesn't existMust be delusional if you bring this up just so you can stay mad that there's no actual canon answer to them being able to leave or not wanting to leave or not.>youkai and humans are friendsThe folklore says they are, there are half-youkai, there are humans going deep into youkai territory just to engage in fun games. And objectively speaking even 'suzu is friends with multiple youkai.>ice cream is cheap and affordableWe're never given any pricing or such, but shitting out an icecream casually is pretty impressive considering they're under some sort of fanfic famine>Gensokyo has zero food issuesPost them having any food issues.>Byakuren and Kanako did not view the human villagers as livestockYeah they didn't, they viewed them metaphorically as being part of a zoo, but the real fact of the matter as told throughout other stories is the simple reality that Gensokyo acts in symbiosis between humans and youkai and we're shown the multiple ways that they get their own pros out of it, which are pros you don't believe because your view of the setting is predicated on a few cases where they look cynically at what's going on rather than the actual ground-level experience. Just like how sometimes in a country, people are reduced to statistics by callous governments who aren't careful- the difference being that they are pretty damn careful in Gensokyo. Someone like Marisa makes this pretty clear in that conversation herself.>>50132820>d-disproved!She never mentions killing them, so you are relying on headcanon. I recall this exact diatribe last time 5 months ago where you kept insisting that Yukari meant she's killing people instead of y-know, as told through the other print works, maybe having people talk to them to get them on the side of balance.>Late Edo>That's how ZUN described it!You're too focused on it being written. The difference between that and the other stuff I brought forth was that ZUN wrote the other print works, decided he wanted to include running water, electric lights, ice cream or at least approve of it being there. So by admission, ZUN has changed his mind and it only appears Edo period in spirit, insofar that it looks old-times and countryside. That's literally what you see in the print works.>Meanwhile, do you have any evidence that nobody in gensokyo dies of starvation?You keep claiming you have evidence of this happening in the first place but you keep asking me for proof to prove you wrong. It seems you answer yourself: There's no famine in Gensokyo. There at least has been famine in NK, if we're to believe them that they hadn't had any since.They have enough food until you see the print works complain that they don't.>The guy who got kicked out of human society because he learned magic?Society? He got kicked out of the school of the master diviner for using magic in his techniques. There's nothing to say that magic gets you kicked out of the village wholesale in the exchange.
>>50132889keep seething, loser
>still no 1ccs posted
>>50132968It's the whale tits thread not the gameplay one.
>>50132973Well post some whale fucking tits then.
>>50132895>Don't see any reason to assume it isn't normal if helping each other is normal in smaller communities in real life.It's the size of a small city.>so in the present, they function with less hierarchy than you imagine.It literally implies the exact opposite. Since the human village IS a society that functions. > tag every human that shows up in games, manga and so on and check how many are happy, indifferent or genuinely unhappy and you'd find that most are probably in the former two.I could and I don't think you are going to like the owner. But since this entire argument is fucking retarded in the first place, no. You feel free to do it though. >The only instance of them rejecting festivals we're ever clued into is when they occur at Reimu's shrine or when the weather sucks really badlyThem? Again, the human village is MASSIVE.There is literally no way all of the human villagers go to Reimu's festivals, for instance.>We're never clued into her killing anybody.Outside of her literally being called "The one behind the spiriting away". Openly talking about using people as food. Bragging to Sakuya about keeping people in her home. Her indicating she kills people that get in the way of her plans for the human village. Akyuu comment about her attacking people in the outside world. Her threatening to kill tenshi.Man, this Hannibal fellow doesn't seem all that murderous if you ignore every single line about him killing people or wanting to kill people. >Yeah they canThen they didn't in the past because?>Absolutely canon about a huge chunk of her escapades.Then post proof.>Most of anything, yes, they can even give you fortune or give you shit fortune, which literally happensSo you are jsut likely to be screwed over if you pray to the gods?>t that they would be happier in the outside world They like the outside world. They clearly don't like gensokyo. They would be wealthier in the outside world. They would have more social mobility in the outside world. Children would stop being abused. Humans would stop suffering at the hands of youkai. What do you have? Seriously, name one argument.>The ones that have a deeper interest have been shown so exceedingly few times"Average" intrest is literally copying every aspect of the outside world they can get their hands on, to the point of literally causing Youkai to go extinct and treating all outsiders as beloved celebrities. They are to the outside world what Touhou fans are to Gensokyo.>Must be delusional if you bring this up just so you can stay mad that there's no actual canon answer to them being able to leave or not wanting to leave or not.The answer is that they can't leave. Anything else is a insane assumption with zero evidence supporting it.>The folklore says they are,The folklore also claims Suika and Nue should be dead.> but shitting out an icecream casually is pretty impressive considering they're under some sort of fanfic famineNo? Why would it be? >Post them having any food issues.Post evidence they have total food security. PCB implies that humans will starve if the harvest fails.>as told throughout other stories is the simple reality that Gensokyo acts in symbiosis between humans and youkaThere is zero indication that's the case. Youkai are not symbiotic. If every youkai died, the human villagers would at worst do better than they are now. If all humans died, Youkai would go extinct. that is not symbiosis, it's parasitism. Literally by the dictionary definition of both words. >and we're shown the multiple ways that they get their own pros out of it,There are no pros unless you are a spoiled bitch like Reimu who would murder her best friend for thirty silver coins or a rich merchant that likes being able to abuse children. >She never mentions killing them,Does it matter? Maybe she tortures them, maybe she breaks their legs, maybe she just sends them a firm warning. The point is she seeks to deny people their happiness and prevents them from seeking their own happiness and freedom. That is evil. It is something worse than modern Japan. It is something worse than the future.>You're too focused on it being written.I am literally just repeating his own opinion of it. Edo Japan had a fairly advanced trade network, the human village does not. The few advancements they have are most likely canceled out by the problems. >decided he wanted to include running water, electric lights, ice cream or at least approve of it being there.They had running water and ice cream in late Edo japan. >You keep claiming you have evidence of this happening in the first place I don't. My argument is that your assumption of them having perfect food security is nonsense. Even if we assume it's better, and it might be, that does not mean there is no starvation or people being underfed.>There's no famine in Gensokyo.Source?
>>50132820And I guess correct, they are descended from youkai exterminators. But plenty of them have shown weird abilities and propensity for magic which is pretty consistent.>Why do you hate freedom? I'm more curious why you love murder so much, we're told that more or less the youkai are basically just sapient, kind of weird humans nowadays but they aren't afforded the right to live or exist even if they by all intents provide what is essentially a stable society that has no (non-headcanon) famine or such going on. The vast majority of the horrifying youkai are gone to history as per the print works and the overfocus on that past shows you aren't really paying attention. I don't hate freedom, you are unchallenged in Gensokyo as long as you're human after all.>Which is overwelmingly shown as a good thing. The existence of the supernatural is nothing but harmful. Except in the case where it stops people from being killed by storms or floods which we know they protect the village from and which would also save many people in real life if it were there.>It goes to a small group of elite people at the top who threat the rest like livestock. Sounds like GensokyoThere's very little reason to assume there's a significant living standard difference between humans. They have electricity, there's running water in the manga, they can somehow produce ice cream which means they can cool things to ice cold temperatures readily, they can produce many many glowsticks which they use in the 15.5 concert background, and so on. For any advanced gadgets, we know they drop into Gensokyo and get passed around with time. And it'd be headcanon to say that youkai reserve everything for themselves, we have little that tells us that, maybe it's just that a lot of modern leisure tech isn't appealing to most old timey humans who are more used to playing real games between people rather than Rinnosuke's gameboy.>Humans are livestockThey are never referred to as livestock, at most in an allegory to a zoo, but the print works are pretty clear that they have an untouchable status and that violating it results in death which we have seen. They can go into gambling dens and gamble against youkai with zero consequences, so much for livestock if they can just take youkai money in bets.>Outside of that it's been shown rich people can literally have children as labor and are free to physically abuse them.Was this because Akyuu had someone's daughter help her around the mansion? That's what I vaguely recall, but no, I don't support those things. It's probably what I would correct if I would go to Gensokyo, but there's a whole world of difference between that and helping around the house.>We know there are enough illiterate people for Kosuzu to have to teach them.Gee anon, someone has to teach someone. I'm glad you came to that stunning revelation.>She was genuinly portrayed as sympathetic and was mostly in the right. Meanwhile, Reimu's solution was peaceful but her actual argument even in universe was completly trash. She was consistently portrayed as very twisted and angry up until she fought Reimu at the climax and the story said "but, there is a balance, also Mizuchi is a conniving bitch who assaults humans to act out her old prejudices" which would essentially be an easy tell that'd make it clear that the story didn't think she was right. I'm sorry you can't read between the lines but that should've been clear when you hit the panel that said humans are untouchable.>Which is a hillarious example of her being spoiled because when she says that she's actually just talking about herself.Nah, she's saying it because youkai are different, in need of humans who live, and because the rules are extremely strict to the point where it'd mean death for anyone to violate it, which it has. (and no, yukari saying that she wants to prevent people from bunching up and acting all anti-social does not immediately equal her killing anybody, in the same conversation she literally rejects that angle)>Reimu has always been portrayed as spoiled and priviledged...Except when she's defending Gensokyo which is where according to ZUN, her actual personality comes out. Reimu's regular personality hovers between an aggressive gag and a lazy gag.>>50133001>Source?Provide on yourself you lazy bitch, you've been high on your headcanon for years. Time to actually dump some proof into it. I'm not replying to the rest of your word soup because nobody will take it seriously anyway.
>>50132895>>There at least has been famine in NKCan you proof there was no famine in gensokyo in the past? Like, you know how easy I am being with you on this front? I could easily point out that before Eirin was introduced the child mortality rates of the human village compared to modern japan would be about 40% of all children in gensokyo dying. That's not even including death by childbirth, diseases the outside world cured, lack of medical equipment, etc. Literally all I ask of you now is simply for you to state there is no famine in Gensokyo NOW . Not assumptions, not "Well they might". A character, or even ZUN himself, literally saying "No famines nowadays". >He got kicked out of the school of the master diviner for using magic in his techniques.The implication being that learning magic is illegal. >There's nothing to say that magic gets you kicked out of the village wholesale in the exchange.Minus the part where he literally did get kicked out of the village altogether.
>>50133024>Like, you know how easy I am being with you on this front?Mate you are begging me to prove your headcanon right. We have no proof of anything in regard to the food status of Gensokyo beyond it not being treated as an issue for over a decade of manga and printworks. If you have such an issue with me providing proof, I ask you again one final time to find literally 1 panel in any manga that mentions famine.This should be easy to do since you're very confident that it is canon, prove it. You've clearly got a good general overview on the lore, so it should be easy, right?>Learning magic is illegalHe was kicked out... by his master, meaning he was probably not allowed under that school to do magic and divination simultaneously.There's zero telling us that he was kicked out of the village or society at large, and his reason for suicide was his larger plan which violated Gensokyo's actual golden rule.>Minus the part where he literally did get kicked out of the village altogether.Point to literally any blurb in the text that mentions him getting kicked out of the VILLAGE specifically. It doesn't exist, just like the rest of your mentally ill headcanon.
What did I miss?
>>50133004>But plenty of them have shown weird abilities and propensity for magic which is pretty consistent.One of them has a ability and zero of them have shown a prospenity ot learning magic. Sumireko is stronger than any villager.>I'm more curious why you love murder so much,Because Youkai deserve to face justice. >we're told that more or less the youkai are basically just sapient, kind of weird humans nowadaysNo, anon, we aren't. We are told they are cruel sociopaths who enjoy tormenting people for kicks and have no sense of right or wrong. They are consistently shown being cruel, manipulative, murderous, violent, unpleasant, hypocritical, sadistic, and prone to doing crime and causing trouble. The only thing that is stated is that they can choose to be different. They do not, most of them are still just as evil as they were when Shuten Doujin was rampaging around Japan.>Except in the case where it stops people from being killed by storms or floods Storms or floods that are only a issue BECAUSE Gensokyo exists as it does. Morality rates for even large scale flooding incidents in modern Japan are non existent. The worst incident of flooding in the last 40 years of Japanese history saw a shocking 250 people die in the entire country. Which is per capita less than every single human villager we've seen die in Touhou manga. Yes, all two of them.>There's very little reason to assume there's a significant living standard difference between humans.We literally see them have servants and huge mansions. Do normal people all have huge mansions and servants? No, of course not. We also know illiteracy is enough of a problem for Kosuzu to do something about it. Meanwhile, illiteracy in modern Japan is literally non existent. >hey are never referred to as livestock, at most in an allegory to a zooThey are refereed to as livestock, but their direct situation is compared to animals in a zoo. Which isn't even accurate. >They have electricityWho is "They"? All human villagers? >they can somehow produce ice cream whichThey can store it in a ice house, which is a idea older than time. Ice cream itself has been around since 2000 BC and was made in countries like Persia. Congratulations, Gensokyo. >maybe it's just that a lot of modern leisure tech isn't appealing to most old timey humans who are more used to playing real games between people rather than Rinnosuke's gameboy.No? All human villagers are shown being interested in the outside world. Minor hobbies explode into huge phenomenon. Small facts wipe away centuries of tradition and folklore. Nobody cares about Youkai. Nobody cares about traditions. Nobody cares about religion. >Was this because Akyuu had someone's daughter help her around the mansion?No, it's because a servant boy is mentioned as being abused by his master in one of the spin off manga after he saw a body and tried to tell him about it. You would know this if you weren't a secondary.>Gee anon, someone has to teach someone. Kosuzu is like, what, fourteen? Compared to modern japan, where professional teachers maintain a shocking level of literacy, that's a huge step down. >She was consistently portrayed as very twisted and angry upShe was consistnetly shown as having a point to the point of convncing other characters that she was right. >also Mizuchi is a conniving bitch who assaults humans to act out her old prejudices"She shows more care about the fate of hte human villagers than Reimu does in every manga she appeared in. She was prone to vengeance (A evil spirit being prone to vengeance? You don't say). But her targets all consistently either deserve it or can't be harmed anyway. Her only mistake was not killing them. >Nah, she's saying it because youkai are different, She's saying it because she herself is different form the human villagers and can't relate to them. She doesn't know what it's like to actually work for something instead of being handed everything in her life. Of being important enough that youkai can't just kill you for being troublesome. >...Except when she's defending Gensokyo The fact she defends Gensokyo, period, is evidence that she is spoiled. The place doesn't deserve defending. The barrier being destroyed would be the single greatest day in the life of every human villager.>Provide on yourselfI have, consistently. Now, it's your turn.
>>50133004>in the same conversation she literally rejects that angleAdmittedly I am mixing things up, however, Yukari's first solution to problems is definitely not to just kill people.
>>50133109>[Incomprihensible babble and no proof]You were challenged to post literally 1 panel of there being famine in gensokyo and you failed, you lose again and probably forever. Enjoy selling your mom for a dishwasher anon
>>50133084Nothing much, but you can probably make a song out of the redditsokyo melty.
>>50133044>Mate you are begging me to prove your headcanon right.No? I don't even believe gensokyo has massive food security issues. I want you to find evidence that it does not because I know you will fail.>We have no proof of anything in regard to the food status of Gensokyo beyond it not being treated as an issue for over a decade of manga and printworks.So it's perfectly plausible for people to starve? The best argument you have is that it's not enough of a issue to be noticeable. Which was also the norm for starvation for most of human history. Again, I don't even believe the human village has food issues. I just find it funny how comfortable you are to say they do not when your evidence is "We don't know either way". Then say that, say "We don't know either way". Say "They might starve, they might not". >He was kicked out... by his master, meaning he was probably not allowed under that school to do magic and divination simultaneously.>ProbablySo your own example of a human magician is somebody who suffered because they learned magic and you don't even know for sure what the reason was? >Point to literally any blurb in the text that mentions him getting kicked out of the VILLAGE specifically. He moved outside the human village before killing himself.
>>50133122see: >>50133143I challenged YOU to find evidence that Gensokyo doesn't have food issues and you found nothing. Absolutely nothing.
>>50130144>>50130352Fuck I got busy, I had some free time to draw this now.
>>50133146Post anything from post-PC98 touhou even having a single text blurb saying Gensokyo has trouble feeding itself.
>>50133146That's not how burden of proof works.
>>50133128Nah, brother. I aren't reading that wall of botched promos to make a half-assed song. All I want is like all the niggas here; CDS back.
>>50133143>Which was also the norm for starvation for most of human historyIf most of the human village was starving at any point past the early 1900s we'd probably be privy to know of a mass death, but we aren't. So unless famine can be proven, the only reason to consider it is just to make headcanon work. In the real Gensokyo, which is in working order, they are probably not starving. It's simple.
>>50133161Post evidence that it does not.>>50133174YOU claimed they had a abundance of food so great nobody starved. >>50133180>we'd probably be privy to know of a mass death,Why? Like I said, they almost certainly had mass infant mortality until about 5 years ago. Why would the human villagers bring up the mass starvations they had in the past? Do you think it's something they do as a joke? Is there a point in the manga where they should have brought it up and it's weird they didn't?
>>50132995Alright sure, whale tits.
>>50133191Yay!
>>50133187Luxury items like ice cream being casually served to forest hobos would imply that they are not wanting for resources, including food.
>>50133205>Luxury items like ice cream being casually served to forest hobosShe's a minor celebrity in the human village that literally escorts people to the one place in gensokyo that ensures 40% of their kids won't drop dead before the age of ten and a friend of Keine, the only teacher of any worth in the human village and the literal protector of the human village. >including food.They could have ice cream but not much else of anything. Besides, you do realize how a famine works, right?
>>50133143>So your own example of a human magician is somebody who suffered because they learned magic and you don't even know for sure what the reason was?>He moved outside the human village before killing himself.I reread the chapter for the sake of it.It:It literally never mentions he was kicked out of the village.It only mentions that he was buried (meaning he still lived close to people after suicide)It mentions that he came from the netherworld (the neutral place where spirits go) when he returnedAnd finally he only says he will live far away from the village as a youkai, basically just to get Reimu off his ass.The preceding chapter does not mention his backstory nor does the proceeding one nor does his cameo later in the manga.Either reread your scans or don't lie, it's simple. You cannot claim he was kicked out outside of your fanfic.
>>50133176Fuck.
>>50133187>Why would the human villagers bring up the mass starvations they had in the past? Do you think it's something they do as a joke? Is there a point in the manga where they should have brought it up and it's weird they didn't?Nigger you're obsessed with them being "livestock" (fanfic term) but you can't figure that maybe the youkai and the gods would be concerned enough to mention it? Food security is balance after all. Your logic simply doesn't hold, it's just a pathetic attempt to explain away the total absence of famine as a concern in Gensokyo.
>>50133157Can you draw miyoi dishwashing using her soaped up tiddies
>>50133157I want to have fast sex with Aya-san!
>>50133221I'll look it up myself. All I will say is that your evidence that humans can learn magic being a guy that guy that suffered because you learn magic... try again.>>50133230>but you can't figure that maybe the youkai and the gods would be concerned enough to mention it?Byakuren literally says the humans in Gensokyo only exist for the sake of youkai. And in actual practise they are livestock. Kanako trying to push it in a different direction doesn't change that. Zoo animals aren't required to stay alive.
>>50133205And also food problems never being mentioned or touched on in like 20 years of print works despite it being an easy sell for "pray to god = get crops" type chapter. Seems like it's not a concern unless you are wilfully obtuse.
>>50133245The one chapter we do have focusing on that indicates that there are consequences for harvests failings.
>>50133241>Byakuren literally says the humans in Gensokyo only exist for the sake of youkai. And in actual practise they are livestock. Kanako trying to push it in a different direction doesn't change thatThey are not livestock because they are not for consumption. The Zoo analogy works better, which is why it's used, because they ultimately give attention like the story mentions.This is the balance, no attention, no youkai and no gods. Which is why humans are unmatched and can go around to youkai gamling dens and other fun things.
>>50133263>They are not livestock because they are not for consumption. The fear they produce is. Sheep are livestock even if they are just used for wool.>This is the balance, no attention, no youkai and no gods. That's not balance, that's paratism. >Which is why humans are unmatched and can go around to youkai gamling dens and other fun things.Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu city.
>>50133253Congratulations, we're now at "sometines harvests fail", something that I recall happening in my first world country not long ago and driving up tons of prices, which is a step in the right direction. It took us 730 replies to reach this inspiring milestone.
>>50133272Yes. Which only calls into question your claim that food is a total non issue all the more.
>>50133270>woolTell me, if you put wool on yourself, does your character change? Do you gain the will to keep doing what you do? Youkai change, mutate and persist basically off of their perception, and we're told that ones that don't fit their role eventually could cease being their current kind of youkai as per Komachi. That's probably why so many of the youkai turned into human-like people anyway.>That's not balance, that's paratismIf you disregard any of the benefits that they provide such as supernatural services, good fortune, free house upkeep, storm prevention, infrastructure projects, and so on.>Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu cityWe've never seen it tried but the more random humans show up playing games with youkai the less likely this becomes.
>>50133273You found one panel where food harvests could fail, but I have yet to see actual consequences materialized or mentioned that aren't basically just price increases. Until then, this is about as canon as the "Yukari kills villagers" fanfiction. I rate it 3/10 as opposed to the regular 1/10.
>>50133296>Tell me, if you put wool on yourself, does your character change?A bit, though mostly if it's in the form of a cool hat. Besides, dying from cold changes you into a non living person. Which is a form of change.>supernatural services,No supernatural service has been shown that is better than anything gained on the outside world.>good fortuneNot even guaranteed.>free house upkeep,What? You mean the house spirits? There's a old joke in East germany: "How do you know you are being spied on by the secret police? Your house has a new cupboard."> storm prevention,Outside world already does that.> infrastructure projectsname me a infrastructure half as impressive as Odawara castle. You know, the castle build CENTURIES ago. >We've never seen it tried but the more random humans show up playing games with youkai the less likely this becomes.No? Especially if they have to disguise themselves and the entire point is that it's genuinly dangerous for them to go and a alternative is created in the human village. >>50133305>but I have yet to see actual consequences materialized or mentioned that aren't basically just price increases.My point is that you claimed those consequences did not exist. When you have no evidence for that. >Yukari kills villagers"I already explained as much that I don't even care if she kills them. The point is that she engages in political repression of human villagers. She denies them their freedom and the ability to pursue their own happiness.
What the fuck is happening here?
>>50133453North K*rea happened
>>50133272>my first world countryI genuinely doubt that.
so... what did we learn?
>>50133157Thanks 103>>50133174He knows his position is ultimately untrue or at best been retconned so he's trying to make us go on the defensive when really we're the consensus, he has to post sources cited evidence to all his claims first>>50133270>Youkai can go to the human village and Humans can't go to, say, genbu ravine or Tengu city.I'm going to be that fucking guy now and say Marisa Kirisame.Literal ordinary human being, no special priviledges, learnt magic *as a runaway child* whether or not you think a certain evil spirit was involved that means its easy, not only can she go toe to toe with Gensokyo's strongest youkai, beat them and impress them. She's multiple times gone to restricted places and passed as she pleased, even returning to rob them afterwards. She's gone to genbu ravine, she's gone to ""Tengu city"" (what is this Reach city shit?) and she took what she want and left Oh and that gap youkai that is spying on the humans and is going to kill them if they get too unruly, didn't do shit to Marisa until she was up in her face blasting her with Danmaku and she still lived afterwardsWhat would Marisa have if she had been born in the outside world? Nothing.>>50133696I kinda see what this guy's problem is and why we keep having this circular argumentso his argument from the beginning has been he thinks ZUN writes Gensokyo to be a miserable crapsack world. And as a fan of all sorts of grimdark franchises he loves that. However the entire fanbase has decided to headcanon Gensokyo into a fun paradise because they're "waifufags" which is driving him up the wall because he's the only one who sees the real canon. That's why he keeps tossing out secondary as an insult and why he keeps calling people subhumans when he's crashing out, he sees us as nothing more than softie waifufags denying "da dark canon" and ZUN as a hackfraud who clearly doesn't know what he wrote if he doesn't realise it either. Death of the author and all thatSo we keep going in circles because we are often trying to prove Gensokyo is a paradise in someways when our real argument should centre on how there's nothing to prove humans would be anymore happier in the outside world than they would be in Gensokyo ergo, it's pointless to destroy Gensokyo. At worst Gensokyo is just as sucky as the outside world is but with magicAnyways as someone who allegedly has played the gamesI don't know how you can listen to music like this on loop and think this is a dark and miserable settinghttps://youtu.be/BNS1e6ZJyOQhttps://youtu.be/3e2_ibyXEIEhttps://youtu.be/wbjbNGgL8p8https://youtu.be/2q2PhhV-PsIhttps://youtu.be/BAHrbN-h5yg
>>50133241Zoo animals have worse conditions than the human villagers.There's a reason zoochosis is such a big problem.
>>50133231Yeshttps://files.catbox.moe/om6pj8.png
>>50134208I'm surprised his desire to kill all plant life in order to kill all Youkai isn't mentioned.He reminds me of Akyuu.
>>50132719>>50134208Thanks for these
>>50134030Nice
>>50133329>Outside world already does thatThe outside world has never prevented a single storm, people die in hurricanes and tornadoes constantly.>Yukari kills villagersYou repeatedly said she has the gestapo SS kill human villagers which we can see by just going back to your post, you change the goalpost is all. The truth is actually that you have no idea what she does and we're show her attempting roundabout solutions devoid of murder often. Ironically it's in CDS where Mizuchi is a ghost that's dangerous to people and youkai alike where she's first explicitly telling Reimu to get rid of her not unlike actual rogue youkai. There's no actual proof that she engages in real repression instead of just using the zashikiwarashi to psychologically support people, finding roundabout ways to do so herself or communicating that youkai are different now. You straight up says she kills villagers with no evidence, then you say you didn't, which is a lie and why nobody likes to talk to you.>>50133499Genuinely doubt what you want but no amount of fertilizer and machinery can make up for it being dry as fuck to the point where harvests are bad. You can easily just look it up and find harvest yields fluctuating cause of it. This idyllic view of the modern world where everything works perfectly is hilariously ill informed.>But there are consequencesConsequences we are not privy too, which we don't know the results of, only that they aren't great enough to mention. The page's also trying to say that Sanae's ability to create miracles won't work, but the source is Mamizou who's not at all clued into how it works or if it can fail.
>Unironically discussing the state of Gensokyo agricultural progressionIt’s funny how far you autism can go
>>50134208sugoi
>>50133157>>50134030I miss you 103anon, the Kissu drawthreads aren't the same
It’s funny how this discussion is happening under the manga that is the epitome of “Everyone in Gensokyo is living normally and do the most normal thing ever”
>>50134668Lotus Eaters is too comfy for autistic discussion other than staring at butts and whale titsAs for me? I look forward to the Geidontei regulars, they're the only real ones in Gensokyo.
>>50134668It's just one guy, sometimes twoWe were initially having fun discussing Marisa being girly
>>50134645It's funny cause you can just as easily claim yukari has sex with villagers to soothe them and it'd be about as canon as SS gestapo zashikiwarashiIt'd also fit her canonically smelling bad from lots of sleeping too
>schizo went from "no dishwashers equal gigagrimblackpillsokyo" to "Reimu Antoinette is something something" in this thread.Kwabek
There is a REAL chance that Gensokyo DO have dishwashers, the kappa already importing GameBoy from Animal Realm, nothing stopping them from replicating electronic appliances
>>50132719>freeze for freeI am stealing this.
>>50134864He'll just claim they dont get tjose (we have no evidence they dont, but they have electricity, glowsticks, can engage in business with youkai, etc) so there's no reason to assume it's impossible either
Next volume cover broke the streak, for the first time >No Reimu>No Marisa>No Mamizou>No Aya>No SuikaShion kicked them out
>>50135059fair enough for the first manga to break the 40-50 chapter trend of FS and WaHH too
>>50134899Marisa....
>>50130650
>>50135729Not what I wanted.
>>50135059sane's behemoth breasts
>>50135059>>50136337No fucking way Sanae's are bigger than Miyoi's
>>50135059An improvement, I wish Shion and Sannyo appeared more.
>>50136357Anon, the entire premise of Touhou is that youkai lost to humanity so hard they had to seclude themselves away into a small region in Japan.They were titmogged into irrelevancy by human progress and Sanae is proudly continuing that tradition as an Outside World girl.
