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Here's my opinion on this matter. Please, insult me back in a nice way if you don't like it, or else I'll cry.
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>>50152354
Whoops, Eirin is a goddess. My bad.
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>>50152370
Also, make your own if you have the time to do so, and if you dare
https://tiermaker.com/create/touhou-project-characters-142441
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>>50152354
Now sort them according to SMT Race.
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>>50152354
Just a few corrections

>Taoists
Historically aren't human
>Sumireko
Zoomers aren't human
>Marisa
mushroom fairy
>Reimu
Misandry youkai
>Sakuya
Lunarian homunculus
>Backup dancers
Child slaves aren't human
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>>50152354
Patchouli is youkai since she didn't start as human
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>>50152354
Alice is as youkai as fortune teller
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>>50152354
How the hell Iku is *human? She's a fucking oarfish
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>>50152354
Isn't Sanae a halfbreed technically?
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>>50152419
Kek, I place the hermits as humans since they, according to lore, are still on the path to ascend their humanity
>>50152425
>>50152428
Magicians are clearly not traditional youkai. They, much like celestials, have left their normal humanity behind to ascend into something else, leaving no difference between them in that regard. To consider them that would make the other two youkai as well.
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>>50152405
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>>50152354
Maribel isn't human, she's european
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>>50152354
seems like you got bored half way through
>>50152419
>>Marisa
>mushroom fairy
ork
>Lunarian homunculus
can we also call Keine this
>>50152433
a taste for cold pussy? i respect it
>toutetsu
you a coward?
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>>50152433
Every problem has a solution if you're creative enough
>>50152434
I fucked up, give me a moment.
>>50152446
The divine part is more dominant over the human one, however
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>>50152458
PMiSS clarifies that Patchouli didn't transition and was born that way
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>>50152354
Little devil-chan is actually magician and Iku was already pointed out.
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>>50152484
I think ZUN meant that she was born as a demon despite parents being human
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>>50152354
>>50152370
As >>50152434 mentioned, Iku is a youkai. Another fix.
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>>50152484
>>50152496
Or that she's some sort of a warlock or sorcerer as species, rather than a magician. Except that her magic is rather weak
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>>50152354
Now make one based on how many times a week they have sex.
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>>50152510
Just for you anon. Not op.
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>>50152482
That adds the question if two magicians can have offspring that doesn't need to ascend. Since lunarians can make more of them the easy way, it's fair to assume that they can. Therefore, Patchouli will stay there.
>>50152484
>Actually a magician
What? Her species has always been demon. What did I miss?
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>>50152510
The hookerhus have lots of it. Joon has it once a week. The rest talk a big game but are on dry spells.
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>>50152525
Rinnosuke's fully booked...
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>>50152525
Swap Ran with Keine and Yuyko with Sumireko.
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>>50152354
>>50152458
Magicians are youkai, this is made completely unambiguous and they are regularly referred to as such. You would essentially have to be ignoring mountains of canon material just to make that interpretation work in the slightest. Humans are capable of becoming youkai.
That error aside, a few more notes are as follows:
Moon Rabbits aren't explicitly youkai, they might be youkai adjacent but it's never really been confirmed what their nature is.
Komachi is specifically referred to as a youkai in her profile, omniscient narrator is about as hard a confirmation as you'll get.
Biten is a youkai, Sarugami are youkai and oni are youkai, and she's both somehow.
Eika is a weird case, her profile off handed refers to her as a god but her official species is "soul of a stillborn child", so ghost would probably be a better fit.
If you're going to have a "super human" category, you need to move the hermits down to it (Seiga, Futo, Miko).
Vampires don't need their own special category, they're a subspecies of youkai.
Kiene is really more cursed than a half breed, which just makes her placement even harder.
Demons are youkai.
While Poltergeists are technically not ghosts, you're splitting hairs and not including them while choosing to include a divine spirit (which thinking about it should probably be in the god crew) and vengeful spirit in the ghost group feels suspect.
Inchling are youkai why would you even fucking separate her like that why does Kobito get a category but not Oni god you're so fucking stupid. Fucking inchling, what are you 4kids?
Reanimated is a fucking mess, most of those are just youkai, Mayumi is the odd one out.
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>>50152433
Hey, there is nothing wrong with Mayumi
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>>50152405
https://wiki.eragames.rip/index.php/Touhou_Fusion_Chart
Heh.
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>>50152525
I concede, this is the actual better tier
>>50152468
She's even worse than an european... She's russian
>>50152570
>Magicians are youkai, this is made completely unambiguous and they are regularly referred to as such
Youkai can also mean a varied group of any type of supernatural being. Magicians are youkai in that sense, and so are gods, fairies, celestials, lunarians, etc. You're correct at least in that one
>Moon Rabbits aren't explicitly youkai
Common sense dictates that they are. Unless explicitly said otherwise, they are beast youkai
>Komachi
She's a shinigami, literally a death god.
>Biten is a youkai
Sarugami is translated as 'monkey god'. She's a very, very minor one, but she's a god
>Eika is a weird case
She has become a god. She fits the bill, even if Zun likes to mess things up.
>If you're going to have a "super human" category, you need to move the hermits down to it (Seiga, Futo, Miko)
Hermits aren't quite super human yet. Fearsome? Yes, but they still have a road ahead them to become one (a celestial).
>Vampires don't need their own special category, they're a subspecies of youkai.
They stand out, so they get their own category
>Kiene is really more cursed than a half breed, which just makes her placement even harder.
Half youkai it is
>Demons are youkai
They stand out
>While Poltergeists are technically not ghosts
Indeed, they aren't, that's why I made their own place
>choosing to include a divine spirit (which thinking about it should probably be in the god crew) and vengeful spirit in the ghost group feels suspect
Both ghosts
>Inchling are youkai why would you even fucking separate her like that why does Kobito get a category but not Oni god you're so fucking stupid.
She gets special treatment because she deserves it, and because her and her species stand out enough to do so (and even if they didn't, I would give her a spot just for her)
>Reanimated is a fucking mess, most of those are just youkai, Mayumi is the odd one out.
I felt that animated unliving things (again) got some great highlights in comparison to the others, and to use up all of the colours available.
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Took a crack at a more lore accurate chart.
Some things to note:
-Half Phantoms are heavily implied to be a special class of human rather than some sort of half breed, so I put them with the other special humans.
-Sanae could very easily be put into regular human, but since her status as living god is notable enough to get mentioned specifically as her species I decided to put her with the other weirdos.
-Mokou on the other hand, while she does get referenced as a "hourai human" on occasion, has always been listed as a human in her species, so she's going with the other regular humans.
-The line between youkai and certain types of ghosts is pretty vague to begin with, so entries in the ghost category might be a bit contentious.
-While Eternity is implied to be a god, her official species is fairy so I stuck with that.
-The animal yakuza leaders are an odd case, their entire organization are "animal spirits" but so far as I'm aware the actual heads are just treated as youkai. It's hard to say why youkai are hanging out in hell for no apparent reason, and this goes back to the earlier "line between youkai and ghost is blurry", but just to keep things simple I put them with youkai.
-Ebisu is a weird case since she's listed as a ghost but referred to as a god, so I just stuck with the official listed species.
-Zanmu wasn't included in the tier maker for some reason, but probably youkai. The human-oni designation is weird though, maybe I'm taking oni too literally.

>>50152636
You're making up definitions, making completely arbitrary decisions with zero basis in logic, are ignoring explicit statements within the canon sources, and you're relying far too heavily on naming conventions as if that holds any baring (did you know that bearcats are neither bears nor cats?) on their actual designation. If an official profile says Komachi is a youkai, then she's a youkai. Anything else is fan fiction. If you're going to ignore that you might as well ignore everything else and just sort them based on vibes.
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>>50152528
>What? Her species has always been demon. What did I miss?
Her fortune slip
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>>50152354
iirc technically the yorigami sisters are not exactly "gods" and are more like/are actually youkai? Someone who knows more about Japan BS could clarify
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>>50152636
>She's even worse than an european... She's russian
Thankfully she's only Spanish. But she deserves a separate category still
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>>50152654
I think formerly human youkai are weirdos that deserve separate category
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>>50152676
Wait, she got a fortune slip?
>(Name Unknown)
Hilarious. I guess we have a hard confirmation of two things now though, Koakuma is technically a "singular character" rather than just being one of many generic devils in the SDM, and she's specifically Patchouli's familiar (so far as I'm aware that was never actually confirmed).

>>50152691
Even if you did that then Patchouli would still have to go with the other youkai, it's very heavily implied she was just born a magician youkai.
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>>50152703
>Even if you did that then Patchouli would still have to go with the other youkai
Okay?
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>>50152654
I personally like both of your tiers, and you both make very plausible points. Honestly, it's better not to fight over lore since Zun-sama is a huge hack and he doesn't care about his own setting

But that's my opinion
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>>50152713
i think contested contenders should get separate tiers
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>>50152716
Fuck it, give everyone their own tier.
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>>50152717
I'd read a racial analysis of each 2hu
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>>50152717
the shitty website being used does a disservice to this discussion but anything sufficiently robust isn't going to be sexy enough to survive. now let's do a group reading of the fortune slips.
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>>50152354
can any of them rape me and make my life feel better? i wonder how hard i'd have to fuck them to have everything go better, whihc one should i have to fuck to make my life less horrible

whihc one would be the most willing to give me a fuck so good my life would turn tolerable
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>>50152595
This is solid, but I think I could do better.
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>>50152720
Completely accurate and perfect.
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>>50152636
Maribel is greek, not a fucking moskal, you dingus.
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>>50152354
thought?
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>>50153078
delusional yurifag
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Hermits and Magicians are less of a race and more of a job. You can be a human, youkai, or some makai demon and still be considered a magician. You can be a ghost, an oni, or a human, and still be considered a hermit.
Which makes sense since both of them are described more about the teachings that they prescribe towards and what they do, rather than actual taxonomical things.
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>>50153375
Can I be the CHINESE girl too?
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>>50152654
Mokou is considered pretty non-human by Mizuchi, and at the very least, losing her mortality should be enough to consider her an ascended (or descended) human.
Mai and Satono are officially considered somewhere in-between human and youkai, as per Grimoire of Usami (which annoys Yukari because that's supposed to be her shtick).
Kaguya's state is kinda ambiguous since it's never made clear if she's a deity like many of the other Lunarians or not, while Toyohime and Yorihime should probably be considered goddesses given that ZUN stuck pretty closely to their origins. Alternatively just put all the Lunarians in their own category since that always takes precedence in Touhou.
Youmu and Youki are half-humans, which should be its own category, since all of them are fairly consistently treated as mostly human except where they're not.
Junko is kind of a weird case since she's treated as basically being a Divine Spirit/Shinrei, but she's also referred to as a Senrei, which would make her closer to a hermit, which makes her a notable outlier. She's also Chinese.
It's not entirely sure if Fortune Teller should be considered a spirit. He explicitly made an effort to avoid turning into a vengeful spirit and is only ever called a youkai to my knowledge.
Not sure if Tsukumogami should really be considered youkai, but that's what Touhou itself calls them pretty consistently, so I guess it's fine.
The moon rabbits are all labeled as Beast Youkai in Who's Who, so while they're not considered impure like Earth youkai and fairies, it's safe to just treat them the same as Earth rabbits.
The "Other" tier is really just half-humans at that point, which should be fine. They're distinct enough.
Larva is cute (but Eternity isn't her given name nor is she ever referred to as just that).
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I'll try to explain all the 2hu races I know a decent amount of. Might take a while before I post each one because I'm shamefully not neeting and can't just put them all in a text file right now
Human - Completely mortal. Needs food, needs sleep. Reproduces sexually. Is born from material things rather than abstraction.
Lunarians - Descended from humans millennia ago. Biologically and in almost every way basically the same as a human, but has achieved non-senescent immortality through various spiritual and "scientific" means. May or may not need to eat or sleep.
God - Primordial creatures part of the same primordial soup mold that have gained sentience and individuality through faith. Is sustained by the faith in their individual existence that comes from any creature. Because of Touhou mythology and religion mishmash, can be made up of various things, whether they're part of the Yaoyorozu no kami or just some completely separate, nebulous existence. Can reproduce in virtually any way they want to, asexually, sexually, or through some other weird way. Almost completely immortal, as their existence is not bound by physical bodies, and can only "die" by losing their individuality when faith in them is completely lost, which would delete their personality and return them back to the primordial soup void. Or via Junko shenanigans, which forces this interaction.
Living God - Humans that have received powers of a god by creatures worshipping them like one, kind of like a cult leader. Different from demigod. Virtually, biologically exactly the same as a human, with the only difference is that they possess godlike powers.
Youkai (General) - Creatures born from human fears and misunderstandings about the natural world. Made up of various subraces that still have similar properties but are also almost completely different from one another. Sustained by the belief in the origin of their misunderstanding, not by the individual, unlike gods (if humans stop believing that mountain echoes are caused by Yamabiko, Yamabiko will start to disappear, regardless if humans still see them existing about). Whether or not they need to eat physical things seems to depend on their subrace. Every subrace besides one is almost completely immortal, and can just regenerate their body from scratch as their mind doesn't lie with their physical bodies... with the caveat that they can be permanently killed by specific means depending on their subrace, or by sufficiently powerful anti-youkai magic or divine power. Unknown if they can reproduce sexually.
Half-youkai - Half human, half youkai hybrid. A race we don't know much about despite one of the most common protagonists being one. Unknown if whether or not they're born naturally, or by some sort of magic/corruption, or if it's variable on the individual/lineage. Unknown if they need to eat. Can reproduce sexually most probably.
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>>50153375
There are still jobs that erase your humanity forever. Like journalist, HR, politician
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>>50153375
>Magicians are less of a race and more of a job
Read PMiSS.
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>>50153375
>>50153794
Magician is both a race and a profession. Don't ask me why ZUN uses the same term for both.
Hermit, again, has specific attributes that define them as distinct from humans. There are also hermit arts, but that's something non-hermits can pick up.
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>>50153806
Thing is that becoming a hermit is more of following a specific teaching and magic to change your physicality rather than a specific race, which is why other races can become hermits.
Hermits are basically
- Non-senescent immortal
- Doesn't need to eat
- Can do magic
And I think that's about it. Multiple avenues of humans being capable of magic in Touhou so that's sorta a moot point. Non-senescent immortality is theoretically possible by what we know of irl science already. No eating, not sure.
Either way, I've always thought of as magicians, hermits, and lunarians all as just a creature retaining their own actual race, but learn the craft of that respective term to gain power, for ideology, or for immortality.
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>>50153585
>Kaguya's state is kinda ambiguous since it's never made clear if she's a deity like many of the other Lunarians or not, while Toyohime and Yorihime should probably be considered goddesses given that ZUN stuck pretty closely to their origins.
There are lunarians who aren't gods, however. It's mentioned that they are very close to hermits (the non-god ones, suppossedly the majority), implying that they are celestials
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>>50153912
Human hermits do still have limitations, however. They are not fully immortal (extremely long lived, but not immortal), they still need to eat (very little), and follow a rigid training or else they will lose all of their powers (although the extent of failing this hard training is pretty arguable, seeing Kasen). Because of this, hermits haven't fully left their full humanity behind to become either a lunarian (can they?) or a celestial (this route is the most mentioned), who are no longer human and are 'ascended' beings
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>>50153912
>which is why other races can become hermits.
Do they? Kasen is our only example but she's a liar that didn't understand certain key things about the hermit lifestyle, her status as a true hermit was questionable at best
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>>50153912
Magicians are explicitly youkai, Alice refers to herself as a youkai multiple times (see: IN extra), Patchouli threatens to eat the player.
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>>50153977
I would say that them follow the same steps of celestials and lunarians: they left their humanity behind to become something 'greater', with many folcklore tales about magicians being helpful to humans. They are also mentioned to be the most human-like of the youkai, and you have to get things through context: Magicians do get in contact with humans from time to time, compared to celestials, who meeting one of them is like winning a lottery. In that regard, humans would have noticed that magicians are quirky enough to be considered youkai, like living in places filled by fairies, or making polite society with youkai without fear of being eaten or injured. I rest my case.
>Patchouli threatens to eat the player.
Of course, there are magicians who might develop more less-than-desirable attitudes towards humans, but this is more in line with individual ones rather than the entire group
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>>50153787
Fairies - Mystical creatures born from the natural world poofing them into existence, basically as an avatar of nature. Doesn't need to eat or sleep(??? we see them sleeping, but we don't know if they actually need to do it). Is completely immortal and will continue to respawn their physical bodies back unless their respective aspect of nature is completely deleted from the universe (like cold for Cirno, or the stars for Star). Basically everything points to them not being able to reproduce sexually nor asexually, and are just beings that have no say whether or not they multiply or die out, beyond how much nature there is around whatever place they're in.
Hermits - Creatures that follow a specific way of life, magic, and teaching in order for their physical bodies to be immortal and grant various strengths. Dubious if whether or not it's an actual, different race, as nothing I know points that if a hermit births another human, that human automatically becomes a hermit. Effectively making it kind of like a profession.
Celestial - The final form of a hermit and arguably a Lunarian. Are conceived in different ways, either by completing the art of hermitry, by divine intervention, or by being born as one. Have everything a hermit does upped to the tenth degree. Completely immortal physical bodies, with the caveat that they need to fight off shinigami and Kishin every so often. Besides that, we don't much about them, but many things point to them being amongst the most powerful race in all of Touhou.
Tsukumogami - A mix of youkai and god, as they can either technically Youkai born from various beliefs like misuse of an object, or a Yaoyorozu no Kami god gaining sentience but not being strong enough to change shape, so they still have the physical body of the object they inhabit. Due to this duality, their and bodies lifestyles vary wildly. Due to being objects, probably can't reproduce sexually.
Oni - Youkai, but also not really. Due to the circumstance of real life myth Oni being of dubious origin, there are multiple interpretations of how they work (them being regular youkai born from fear of criminals, or them being hellborn creatures that serve the Yama, or them being corrupted humans, etc), and hints of these various interpretations also exist in Touhou itself. Known for immense strength, and is probably on average the strongest subrace of "Youkai".
Vampires - Youkai born from a combination of misunderstanding of disease and wild animals. Very dubious in Touhou if like popular western fiction, they actually have a single progenitor. Known to be able to turn into a bat. Needs to consume blood. Has various weaknesses, like garlic, running water, and silver.
Yamabiko - Youkai born from misunderstanding of mountain echoes. Beyond that, not much is known beyond just normal youkai things, but they are known to shout back a lot in order to mimic echoes.
Satori - Youkai of unknown origin, even in real life. Known to read minds, and have a third eye that are closest to being both their heart and brain, which is strange since Youkai are mentioned to not have organs. Closing it permanently changes their behavior completely and disallowing them to read minds.
Magician - Most confusing and dubious out of all of the Touhou races/subraces. Unknown if it's even a race that's specifically actually youkai, as the one being that we specifically see being born as one (Narumi), is born from an object by being granted power from a god, making it a very un-youkailike origin (which also is similar to how Alice was created by a god). We also know that humans can become Magicians (by also being... magicians), making it even more confusing as that means there is more than one avenue of becoming one. Thing is, we don't really know for sure.
Beast Youkai (general) - Youkai born from existing, living creatures being corrupted by human misunderstanding or malice. Not quite as abstract an existence like most youkai, due to just being a corrupted version of a living being, making them more mortal than most. Likely need to eat to survive.
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>>50154088
>Unknown if it's even a race that's specifically actually youkai
Anon, they are specifically referred to as a species of youkai, I do not understand why this is so difficult for you. Byakuren's entire character is predicated on that fact.
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>>50152354
Please remove L*rva from the "fairy" category and put her in the "disgusting bug" category.
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>>50154110
Both Tsukumogami and Oni are also called out as specifically youkai in databooks, but we know otherwise that it's variable, especially for the former. So no, it's not quite that clear cut. Magicians are a whole are a strange "race" in that there's barely anything that makes them youkai beyond just the dubious "they're immortal."
In real life taxonomy, Magicians would be a headache to figure out.
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>>50154130
Tsukumogami are unambiguously youkai.
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>>50154144
Tsukumogami literally means "Tool God", anon. Which makes sense, due to how Yaoyorozu no Kami work.
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Half Ghost isn't a half breed, it's a race onto itself
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>>50154121
Jealousy doesn't suit you, Daiyousei.
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>>50154164
You mean half-phantoms, you fucking MORON
And this makes sort of sense due to how its mentioned that the Konpaku family are a family of half-phantoms, but I don't think we know how long this lineage has lasted.
If the Youmu's like the 100th daughter of the OG Konpaku, then it could very well be its own race. If not, and the "half-phantom blood" for lack of a better word dilutes over time until the 100th child doesn't even have phantom powers any more, then it's not its own race but just a half-breed.
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>>50152991
Nue is not a Shaniqua. Kys.
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>>50153078
Get my nigga Fortune Teller outta that tier
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>>50154088
>Celestial - The final form of a hermit and arguably a Lunarian
How are Celestials arguably Lunarians beside the fact that both are snobbish elitists?
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>>50155468
something something Dragon Palace weird retcon that hasnt been acknowledged ever since because celestials just dont matter I guess
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>>50155478
>celestials just dont matter I guess
I wish we had more lore about Heaven itself in Touhou, it's one of the most underexplored realms in that cosmology.
They did mention that there is a "Lord of Heaven" that grant veils to Celestials apparently, I have no idea if that's just a high-ranking male Celestial or possibly a monotheistic God whose existence would open another can of worms.
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>>50155468
they don't have the worms
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>>50155468
Beyond the dragon palace shit, there's also a thematic connection.
Lunarians are basically humans deathly afraid of death, so they do all their complicated, imperfect methods to stay immortal.
Celestials are basically the perfected version of human immortality.
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>>50155514
You're thinking of the Jade Emperor, an underling of one of the Three Pure Ones from Taoism, called to supervise Heaven, and Earth. In Touhou, he might not handle the latter too much, but he certainly does administrate Heaven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Emperor
>I have no idea if that's just a high-ranking male Celestial or possibly a monotheistic God whose existence would open another can of worms.
I don't know anymore. If you check that reading, you'll know that the on-point existence of the Three Pure Beings crash with the already messy cosmology of Touhou. Since Lao Tse is one of the Pure Three, who had to be a hermit in Touhou, we can theorize that they aren't exactly gods, but... super duper celestials? The next, and final, evolution of the hermit path? Who knows
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I'd just like to point out to everyone itt that op is a moron and the maribelhearn site has a vastly better tier maker that's actually up to date.
With that in mind this is now the most accurate tier list.
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>>50152354
Eiki and Naurmi are both jizo statues who came to life so they should be in a similar category.
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>>50156258
>similar category
uhhh the living onahole?
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>>50152654
>You're making up definitions, making completely arbitrary decisions with zero basis in logic, are ignoring explicit statements within the canon sources, and you're relying far too heavily on naming conventions as if that holds any baring (did you know that bearcats are neither bears nor cats?) on their actual designation.
Cry me a river. Even Zun via his self insert, Rinnosuke, admits that taxonomy in Touhou is a mess. Did you know that oni and vampires are related somehow, something having to do with vampires being called 'bloodsucking onis' in japanese? I personally can get behind that, with so far the touhou onis being brutal, but having a 'honorable' side, with vampires being polite, yet having a ruthless nature to them as well.
Son Biten isn't a goddess? She can make wild monkeys serve her. What about Kutaka? Do you think she, as a god of chickens, can at least make chickens follow her? If yes, then Son Biten is clearly a monkey god.
>If an official profile says Komachi is a youkai, then she's a youkai
I already told you that anything supernatural can be considered a youkai, being a very broad term. Komachi is a youkai, but she's not just a simple youkai, but a shinigami, a god of death according to japanese folk religion.
>Anything else is fan fiction. If you're going to ignore that you might as well ignore everything else and just sort them based on vibes.
And yet, you also have some questionable choosing of your own in your tier, as others have noted.
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>>50156339
>She can make wild monkeys serve her.
Wriggle confirmed a god.
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>>50152676
Oh, well...
>>50152681
Everywhere they are called gods, however, unless I'm missing something
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>>50153065
Spanish and greeks are considered humans, so she should stay there. Had she been a russian, I would have had to classify her as superhuman
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>>50156351
>Everywhere they are called gods
Prove it.
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Alright, but let's dicuss practical matters. Which ones fuck human men?
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>>50156369
All of them
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>>50156369
Speaking of it, half-youkai are *never* explicitly told to be the offspring of humans and youkai in Touhou, just that they are beings halfway between being human and youkai.
So whether reproduction with youkai is possible remain uncertain.
What I find strange is that you never hear of male youkai procreating with female youkai.
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>>50156345
Wriggle lacks the properties of a god, however. Also, since you want to be cheeky:
>Ebisu has divine properties, can make people around her happy, is a spiritual leader to aborted souls, venerated by them
>Not a god
>Mokou is an immortal being capable of manipulating fire, explicitly said in the CDS manga that she isn't human
>human
You also didn't answer my question about Kutaka.
>>50156352
Search 'touhou pestilence gods'
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>>50156382
>What I find strange is that you never hear of male youkai procreating with female youkai.
that's not just limited to touhou, most mythologies irl never tell us that supernatural beings (other than gods or fae) date each other or fuck each other.
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>>50156387
>Wriggle lacks the properties of a god
So does Biten.
I'm not engaging with you any further on this, the fact that you still refuse to consider magician to be a type of youkai shows how up your own ass you are and how pointless this discussion is.
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secondary thread
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>>50156395
>So does Biten.
Biten is based on monkey gods who were worshipped in Japan. However, they ended up falling from worship, and become forgotten, but not too forgotten to reach extinct status. Does that ring a bell?
>I'm not engaging with you any further on this
Have a nice one.
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>>50156404
kill yourself troon
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>>50156369
Tengu. In droves.
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>>50156382
Male youkai are dangerously endangered due to miss misandrist youkai exterminator Reimu, thus forcing youkai women to seek out human men for breeding purposes. Ironically this is a leading cause of why human women like Reimu have had their fields unploughed.
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>>50156474
fuck, watch her being fucked, kill
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>>50153787
>>50154088
This deserve more (you)s. Great effort.
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>>50152636
>Sarugami is translated as 'monkey god'.
"Kami" is broader than the Western concept of "god", and compound words are not merely the concatenation of their characters. If you're going to mistranslate like this then Ran and Chen (式神) have to be classified as gods too.
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>>50159844
OP does have a point. Sarugami were/are actually worshipped, their worship persisting in the form of the 'koshin' belief.
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Since we are discussing this what is Junko
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>>50160145
Chinese (not human)
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>>50160303
But that's Hong Meiling
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>>50160145
Lesbian.
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The hierarchy from purity to impurity is this:
Lunarian (born pure) > Celestial (became pure) > Hermit (still possess a few impurities but striving to overcome them) > Human (afflicted by impurity and disease) > Youkai (literal embodiment of impurity)
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>>50153966
>They are not fully immortal
apparently, they also have to fight off assasins sent by hell every century, much like the celestials, so this opens the idea that as long as they manage to fight off these kind visitors, they are by all purposes immortal
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>>50164193
ah yeah that happened to Seiga in WaHH
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worthless secondary thread
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genuinely just kill every single person who writes a 100000000000000+ word reply on muh touhou lore
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>>50152354
I thought it was a taxidermy list at first



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