Because it's literally Touhou's sister series that ZUN work on and therefore /jp/ related.
Why would they name it Seihou if the concept of "robot that looks like a cute young woman dressed as a french maid fights giant space ships" is the most absurdly Japanese concept you could possibly pitch?
>>50185623The west had loli robot maid series too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWuc3P6iIQM
I sure love Seihou, a JAPANESE DOUJIN SERIES from the Amusement Makers group in which ZUN was part of, made intentionally as a sister franchise to ZUN's in which ZUN actively worked in for the first two games.What was the april fools game for this year like? I missed it. Any way to play them?
Banshiryuu is the only one that doesn't have a translation in either patch nor wiki, right? I guess I'll have to nihongo jouzu...
>>50188209Wait, there is a English patch for shuusou gyoku?
>>50188261I thought the recompilation featured an English patch, but I'm wrong.
>>50186527... did some mod actually deleted the previous thread ?
>>50188430NTA, but I'm pretty sure it just died...
>>50188430Yes. https://warosu.org/jp/thread/49990399
>>50188488Clueless idiot mod.
>>50188488I stand corrected.Why would they delete it anyway? This board is supposed to be for "Touhou Project, Vocaloid, doujin works and music, and diverse niche Japanese interests."But when you post some actual niche Japanese stuff you get deleted, but the countless irrelevant /v/ threads(and other irrelevant threads) don't.
>>50185623Because although the concept is definitely japanese, the setting and (most of) the characters are western.
>>50188612I remember reading somewhere that the reason why the name was chosen was because it was supposed to be the "opposite" of Touhou. For example, where Touhou is traditional in aesthetic, Seihou is (at least to some extend) futuristic.
>>50188743Yeah, I remember reading that too.https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seihou_Project#Relation_to_the_Touhou_Project
>>50185623Could be a japanese take on what western media and aesthetics looked like throught their lenses, well at the time of Seihou's creation at least I guessI'm not knowledgeable enough on the eastern mindset to give a good reply sadly
Seihou proves that Touhou only made it because of the EoSD cast.
>>50189682I feel like the only reason Seihou didn't "make it" is just because the dude stopped making them.
>>50188558Either the OP did a nono and got banned or they wanted one more 3DPD thread.
>>50189813There was a big gap between Kioh Gyouko and Banshiryuu too. ZUN was releasing a new Touhou every year since EoSD.
>>50189682Beyond wrong
>>50189682Touhou made it because ZUN knew how to ride the hype from PCB by making new games. Seihou could've made it if it didn't have a big year gap between the second and third games
>>50185623Seihou was just riffing on a popular theme on the time. You have to remember that ToHeart came out back in 97 and the breakout character from that, HMX-12/Multi, is literally a robot maid girl. (That game also had a half American girl named Lemmy who randomly spoke English sometimes so there's your western connection.)
>>50193096Is that so
>>50193181
Flying robot maids are cute
>>50185611Best Seihou theme?
>>50201658Illusionary Girl from CanaveralSpecifically this "version" which is what happens if the midi is played on PC thus missing instrumentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YaA6FJeulAIt's just so nostalgic-sounding and sweet, and having it play on such a strange stage (up to that point), facing a weird midboss, and the boss having a plot surprise makes it so much nicer.Also it's the first theme I heard after the title, because the game I downloaded was already pre-set on "Replay" mode for Stage 5 for some reason. Compared to Touhou "Replay" is instead "Stage Practice" but with the replay automatically saved at the end (one of the video commenters had the same issue). The version of Shuusou Gyoku I uploaded last thread is the same one, so you might face the same issue after unzipping.
>>50201658I'm a basic bitch so I go with Girl's Divinity Pandora's Box because it's a ZUN theme that is very unique from his other workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YaA6FJeulA
>>50201658I have only played the first game, so I can't judge for the others, but my favorite theme is probably "mechanical circus" it just fits with the fight so well.Plus it sounds really good on my hardware. https://files.catbox.moe/2sxwny.wav
>>50203679I wonder how many have noticed that this stage is kind of a mix between stages 2 and 5 from mystic square.
>>50201658I think VIVIT's theme from 2 is really really underrated, specially the MIDI version with the guitarshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W9PDK4zZ0sBattle maid charges on
>>50205156I'm retarded and realized I posted the wrong linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZAw1qTrgbYI don't think ZUN has any other theme that has sounds simulating a church organ.
wtf was her problem?
>>50208187Aside from that one the only thing that comes close would be Magical Girl's Crusade.Cute Devil - Innocence has an organ intro that's pretty similar and maybe even inspired the intro for Girl's Divinity but that's a pc98 organ.iirc he hasn't used any church organ in any of his game songs.>>50211513Using both magic and science simultaneously is tough, just look at Yumemi.
>>50213263Satori Maiden kind of has organ sounding instruments
>>50211513She's a vampire (I think)
>>50218079Vampire/God/Devil(?) I think it was left ambiguous of purposeI was surprised to learn from the game's dialogue that she looks like a child, she looked like a young adult to me and most fannart I've seen also depicts her looking older
>>50220745I guess her style doesn't look that loli-ish?idk she seems a bit smaller than Vivit but bigger than Mei and Mai (or maybe those just look smaller to fit the portrait better)
>>50225181>I guess her style doesn't look that loli-ish?100%Mei and Mai even comment on how she's around their same age despite acting like an adult I think
>>50220745Yeah, I thought she was more physically like Sakuya than Remilia
>>50238695I wonder if she somehow served as an inspiration for themEoSD came just a year later after all
>>50240029I know Sarai is the primary source of inspiration but they do look like if Muse split into two characters
VIVIT is currently stuck in Gensokyo
>>50246500Someone should really get her unstuck from there so we can have another game
>>50247373She can only make it to April Fools games
Does Kioh Gyouko borrow code from PoDD? Does it also have an impossible final stage boss?
Does Banshiryuu differ a lot from each version?
Maybe Seihou 4 could've been about sci-fi space travel with Greek mythology theming.
>>50259920I can fix Marie
Toyohime?
>>50262475She used to be really big into spaceships and robot maids when she was a teen-ageish
>>50258044Yes, they’re almost completely different games. Somewhere on the internet you’ll find people saying the first version is superior. That’s a big lie. C67 is just an ordinary doujin shmup with stingy resources. C74 is a great and criminally overlooked game. It has a ton of bold innovative mechanics that I’ve never seen other shmups replicate.Be careful though, it’s extremely difficult at the start. Even on easy it’s a beast to learn. But once you get past the skill floor, it’s very rewarding and brilliantly designed. You have to play by its own weird rules. I started up hating it, but later became one of my favorite games. Better than most official Touhou games honestly.
>>50189682Seihou didn’t make it because the first 2 games are honestly kinda trash. Seihou 1 is very rough. 2 is fun to play but also unfinished with very little content. 3 had two versions, one of which is mediocre and the second is great but also the antithesis of beginner friendly. Compare it to EOSD, PCB and IN at the time and there’s no contest.
>>50263547I think Seihou 1 plays almost identically to Mystic Square which is okay. Then again, if EoSD played like Mystic Square, Touhou wouldn't have been as popular so that's a fair point.
>>50263520Not much of a change in story then? I'll try out C74 first.
>>50254793Not sure if it has any code but gameplay wise... it's closer to UDoALC(?, well kinda).-Grazing is the main way to get gauge and also sends bullets to your enemy-You have a shield that gets drained when hit (with no invincibility).-When the shield breaks you get a bit of invincibility but just have one hit, after a while the shield regenerates again.-It's pretty wonky since sending stuff can give graze and so on... sometimes enemies just die in less than 20 seconds-Destroying enemies doesn't delete bullets, they make more bullets on death so you can farm graze.-Revenge bullets can get annoying when fighting a boss and such.>Does it also have an impossible final stage boss?afaik Muse doesn't force her way to at least take 1 life of a little girl like Lunatic Yumemi.I at least remember beating her without her beating me. But idk maybe I lost to Morgan since I tend to not notice her exAttack>>50263520I think people say that C67 is better because most people play it thinking of it being Touhou instead of in STG terms so people think it being more similar to Touhou=goodI still remember trying the C67 version(I think) and it being very tough, but maybe I'll have to give the newer version a try, it's been many years since then.>>50264020Revival bomb sucks and the rank feels pretty extreme, might be remembering wrong but the balancing was all over the place with the same boss having some underwhelming attacks and others that where too much.Also maybe it's a personal bias but it looks pretty meh, idk maybe in a crt it actually looks better but the sprites of the bullets are a bit jarring sometimes....That's from memory tho maybe it wasn't that bad. Music is pretty dam good though.
Remembering how Marisa in Seihou is seemingly no longer human as she sports a pair of angelic wings.
>>50268922Marisa has wings in PoDD too so that's not much of a big deal. Reimu on the other hand (heh...) has TWO gohei and is much cockier than her PC-98 dialogue even.
>>50267720>the rank feels pretty extremeJesus thisFuck extra Marisa
>>50271318It's also the same Reimu that uses the gohei as a stand like a ninja. Imagine if Reimu had two gohei both of them as long as the FW logo. She was holding back in the extra stage, and that's taking into account that Seihou 1's extra stage has Lunatic LoLK-tier difficulty, with extreme rank, and no deathbombs.
>>50273029>and no deathbombsEven worse, it's got lifebombs, which punish players who deathbomb as a reflex.
>>50268922>no longer humanDid you forget about her being part magic?
Is Malice Eater a completely separate game or it also somehow fits into the whole Amusement Makers/almost Touhou lore?
>>50275335Its extra stage bosses are more-or-less a boss rush from other AM games specifically Hi-Beion, C23, and Yumemi (featuring Chiyuri for one spellcard)not sure about anything else. there's very little information about it out there compared to some of these
why did she do it
>>50266625God damn, you were not kidding. I guess people like the C67 because it plays and looks far more like Touhou but it's also rather easy and seemingly still tries to tie itself with its "anti-Touhou" initial style. It also is overall unfinished. But C74 feels like the far more confident balls to the wall version of the game. Very unique gameplay-wise and the soundtrack is even better than C67's. I think that had the C74 version been released first, it would've been far more of a hit.
>>50282305The extra stage is some of the most fun I've had in a shmupReally really great stuff
>>50282305Coincidentally, despite not having ZUN in this time, Stage 3 of Banshiryuu seems to tribute PC-98 Touhou. It features enemies very similar to the goofy ghost enemies and takes place at a shrine.
>>50268922>angelic wingsBut she has some weird Flan-like wings
>>50285198nta but I remenber her throwing feathers at you in the extrabut yeah the structure is about the same it seems
Favorite boss fight?
>>50289138From Shuusou Gyoku Marie and VIVIT CapturedFrom Kioh Gyoku(lol) MuseBanshiryuu both VS protagonist
>>50289138Erich for Shuusou Gyoku. Marisa and Reimu are fun to look at in videos but a fucking nightmare to play against.Still have to check out Kioh Gyoku.Still haven't fully beaten Banshiryuu but the VIVIT-r fight is awesome.
Didn't ZUN do an arrangement of some of the Seihou soundtracks for an Akyuu or Hifuu album?
ZUN! Release Frontal Attack!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0swq48I7Y
I like how Muse gets some crossover fanart with Dolls in Pseudo Paradise. She kinda fits.
>>50289138Shuusou Gyoku: Marie.It used to be Erich, but his fight is mind numbingly easy and the music is the only thing carrying it).Kioh Gyoku: either Muse or Morgan, story mode ONLY.The former is actually a challenge in a game where the CPU player always dies under 2 minutes, while the latter's EX attack is hard to notice and boss attacks are dense (but can be shot away ofc) so it's also a challenge. Story mode only because VS mode has no difficulty and is garbage.
Discounting the VS protag stage boss, Muse and Icarus are the only Seihou characters that fight you without using some kind of mecha or ship, right?
I CAN FIX HER
Which current day 2hus would fit in for a crossover with Seihou? I'd like to imagine Sanae and Nitori in and reacting to all the tech. Especially Sanae seeing the mechs.
>>50308436Nue could also be there, but she'd be a space ship
Kinda wish there were a bit more gameplay guides for Banshiryuu C74. C67 plays pretty much like Shuusou Gyoku but C74 is far more unique. Are the bombs more like special ammo than the more traditional shmup bombs?
Believe in cacti
>>50298171Cross sisterhood
>>50298171>>50317427https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFTL13cE7hE
Shuusou Gyoku and Kioh Gyoku came out during the Portrait of Exotic Girls era of ZUN. Muse wasn't designed by ZUN but she fits within that category given that she's a crossover of western and eastern design.
>>50198161So much that Erich made two!
how does one beat the extra stage
>>50330933Very carefully.There's no trick to it, just tons of practice and resting
>>50330933Like whenever one tries to beat Lunatic LoLK, by dying a million times.
>>50185611
Muse has a really climatic soundtrack in Banshiryuuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13RoZg2DgXYAlmost makes her feel like the final boss of the extra stage. Then Icarus' comes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUNWSlwm54
>>50330933Shuusou Gyoku or Banshiryuu?
>>50339582Shuusou Gyoku. I can barely reach Reimu at best.
>>50330933>>50342027I'd say use the missile or wide option because it has a longer lasting bomb to act as a breather compared to the laser. I've reached Reimu several times with missile but never with laser.
>>50343701I only have laser, I'll try beating the game with the other shot types and try again.
>>50186527>What was the april fools game for this year like? I missed it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-anL-CluQkSometimes I hope these April Fools games are some kind of teaser for a surprise Seihou 4, but I doubt it.
Playing Kyoh Gyoku, it's interesting how the soundtrack features the drum beats ZUN would use for PoFV while predating the game by 4 years. My current issue with the game is that I seem to be locked at playing 24 FPS so it feels like I'm playing the game in slow motion.
Interesting thing I read is that Mima was meant to appear in Kyoh Gyoku but ended up being cut. That would've made her last appearance date back to 2001. I wonder how she would've looked like with ZUN's EoSD art style.
>>50352030That ZUN 2001 Mima drawing also seems to likely exist somewhere within ZUN's files given that there was no reason given for her to be cut and ZUN talks about her and Yuuka being added to the game in his blog.
>>50185693Wow holy shit that was ahead of its time, just looked it up. Fun to see animesque things where you least expect them
>>50349089Another thing I see is that the difficulty is easier than PoDD and PoFV and that's mainly because you don't get stunned when hit, so you could just continue overwhelming the opponent while getting hit.
In the files of Kyoh Gyoku there's a sprite of butass bare-tits naked VIVIT. Pretty sure it's the same one as phase 3 Vivit from Shuusou though.
Seihou has canon naked seihus but 2hu doesn't have canon nudity, when will ZUN address this dire matter?
For me, it's Miria
>>50313208So the way bombs work is that you hold down the bomb button and use the bombing as much as you need. Interesting
Is Samidare connected to Seihou? I know it takes inspiration from Mystic Square combined with Gradius and Thunder Force.
>>50361642I wonder why she's in C74 Banshiryuu's menu screen instead of Hirano.Hirano is a great boss fight, so far my favorite.
Maybe... Maybe one day there'll be a new mainline game...
OG VIVIT ended up in the Hakurei Shrine basement, which also is the location of Hourai.
I wonder if ZUN still keeps up with the Amusement Makers guys
I thought everyone was exaggerating about the Seihou 1 extra stage since I beat the game with pretty relative ease (pretty comparable to Mystic Square). But now I understand...
>>50389317>I beat the gameYou mean with or without continues?
>>503910251CC, yeah.
>>50391038Huh weird, I found it quite a bit harder than MS.
>>50391045I actually find MS's bosses to be harder, but that's mainly because I never get right on how to dodge the homing cheetos
>>50353304I think they just run out of time in Kyoh Gyoku since it's pretty rough>>50365168You'll see in the extra stage :)>>50391258I remember it being harder too, but since it unlocks extra even if you continue I just tried it (bad idea).But the homing cheetos are indeed hard to get.For extra the only general tip I have is to avoid grazing since that increases rank, and rank can be very brutal in that game.
Speaking of, the homing attacks in Banshiryuu are brutal, twice as fast as MS' cheetos
Was there ever any word on why the development for the games was weird? You had Shuusou Gyoku in 2000, then Kyoh in 2001 and then you had the first version of Banshiryuu in 2004 until the last one in 2008. Always wondered what happened, it seems the tough development is also why the series has been on hiatus.
>>50392427I did use the homing missiles. I think the laser is the harder shot type to 1CC the game with
C67 Banshiryuu plays a lot like PCB but a bit more rough. I guess I can see why some would prefer it over C74. C74 is far more challenging, but I think it's also far more fun.
>>50357624That's VIVIT's level 4 charge attack
How does the shield work in C74?
