Welcome to MILGRAM!>TL;DRAnime Music Video project where us, the viewers, vote on the characters' fate and how the plot progresses.>What is this shit?MILGRAM is a Japanese mixed-media music project by DECO*27 and Takuya Yamanaka. It's a prison-based psychological experiment with 10 "murderers", where the audience (you) acts as the jury through the warden Es. You listen to music videos (trials) made for each prisoner, read the supplementary materials, and decide whether they can be forgiven for their crime (INNOCENT or GUILTY).>Where to start?It's all free on youtube and the total length is between 1 and 2 hours.Go to https://www.youtube.com/@MilgramOfficial and watch the videos from oldest to newest. You can ignore covers and livestreams.Supplemental material, such as pre-Trial interviews between Es (your character) and the prisoner, has fully subbed TLs on youtube, just look it up.Watch out for spoilers!>How do I vote?After a Trial drops, visit https://milgram.jp/judge where global voting for the prisoner's verdict will be open for you to vote ONCE A DAY for a rather long period of time >Where are we now?We're currently on the third round of Trials, with the trial MV for the third prisoner, Mu, being released just today.
Muu did nothing wrong, you go queen
>>50192087Guilty or Innocent aside, Mu was written really well.A felshed out queen bee, she had the condescension to look down on others like Rei, but will care and cry for others like Haruka. I love the meta angle, they're taking with the third trials too.That said, I need to watch her interrogation before I make my final judgement (although I found not voting to be the best milgram strategy theoretically)Btw, do we have any updates on the time shenanigans within milgram yet?
>>50193627Might be a headcanon but I don't really think she was a queen bee, the classmates were just intimidated by her appearance but once she broke down they jumped on the opportunity to bully her instead.In the 3rd trial she leans onto that persona to become the villain, shown by her stabbing Rei repeatedly instead of just once like in the other videos and explicitly calling herself a bad girl/villain, since she wants to sing about Haruka. By interrogation do you mean the twitter cards or the voice drama? The latter are usually put on youtube as soon as they are available, this one is great, her VA really did a great job I loved the part where she ends up crying together with Es
>>50191295Nobody posted the MV yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiP2kYjd9H4
Our lovely princess Muu is so beautiful
>>50195177I'm surprised her voice drama didn't have her complain at all about the spike veil and being forced to stand tiptoe.
Hello, OP hereGlad to finally get a thread going for Milgram, yay!There is no proper place to discuss, not one that I found one. Twitter has tons of good fanart but the amount of retards is equal to the genius interpreters. Someone actually predicted Rei slamming Mu with the chair>>50193627>>50194465I think you're both right, just with different words.Also, Mu Voice Drama was indeed super good. I love her VA too. I'll update the OP with supplemental links if we find good traction.There's the twitter questions, the Voice Dramas, the portal/gate dialouges, anything else I'm missing? the rumored LNs I have no idea what they do aside from being another MILGRAM iteration iircDamn, this is kinda fun, might put a proper viewing guide in a Rentry or something>>50194580I assumed newcomers will go the YT channel link I put and start from he beginning, and the veterans will have already watched it, but including it is better ig, yeah>>50200347She does complain about the voice condemning her, so it might be a physical representation of that? Milgram goes vague about the restraints and how the prisoners interact and act usually.
Link tot he Voice Drama in case anyone wants to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi0bmAPb7M8
>>50200423Danbooru has some great stuff toowhile I won't say I'm that crazy about Mu, she's def a fun chara.
Regarding time shenanigans, this pic is supposedly their birthdays (up) and how old they say they are (down)According to each, from left to right, the current date for them should be: 2014, 2019. 2017, 2022give or take a year to accoutn for uncalculated monthsWhat do you guys think this implies? Is Milgram a simulation? Purgatory?
so what was with haruka's story, kinda never got it, got too jealous of his sister and killed her? also lots of cute muu this time
>>50200347>>50200423Kotoko mentions her restraints, and Amane makes fun of her muzzle even, so they are definitely real.
>>50200813I suggest reading his official record that they showed at the end of his death video https://milgram.fandom.com/wiki/Sakurai_HarukaThat said, it's basically:>has big development problems>parents go from frustrated to disnterested\>he starts killing small animals so much until he gets caught>actually euphoric his parents had to be dragged for his sake>go out right after and kill a random kid at a festivalthe murder of the kid leaves him super distraught and horrified, actually realizing what he's done. To quote from the report "he came to strangling another child's neck" or something. Some people say it's him choking himself. Or it's his little sister, but I can't remember where mentions her if he does at all.
>>50201186oh I'm well aware they're real, but I was commenting on the fact the border between the physical and mental gets blurred in milgram apparently or something, idk
>>50201730wow i did not know they released the record of ded characters dear god haruka is dangerous
>>50201730I blame Mana Inoue's directing for making his first trial video so vague and abstract to the point of uselessness when it came to figuring out what actually happened. With Yuno the visuals are all focused on her pregnancy and let the lyrics tell her feelings instead. Haruka's symbolism is all over the place and it's hard to make out what anything is even supposed to mean beyond his stunted development.
>>50201186Muu is known for complaining about everything that happens to her, which is why it's weird that she doesn't mention it at all herself. Fuuta is like that too, and he mentioned how his eye was feeling in his.
>>50203029valid take.His first trial was very abstract, yes. But I think it's a good trial overall.It allowed people to guess he killed a small child during a fit or something and that he's emotionally retarded, with the specifics coming to light more with his 2nd MV. He might've gotten another inno verdict had his ego not inflated.I like the fact that some trials you'd have to be an ameba to not get like Yuno's and Mikoto, and others are super open to interpretation like Haruka and Amane. It makes to an interesting experience imo. Some people think that this causes the voting to be askew or go off the rails, but the way Milgram is designed, any verdict we get will turn into a shitshow imo.The only valid option in reality is to not vote, I think.
>>50201782Dead characters don't get a song but they got a little video with their last moments instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DKqq4eP20s
>>50203115Haruka's was minimalist but I can't wait to see Shidou's because it's not clear how Amane managed to kill him. I'd guess poison but that might be too slow to watch play out, I think.
>>50193627I don't know when it happened because Muu certainly wasn't near the top of my list initially, but she somehow became my favorite character. Like you said, she's really well written. She's a surprisingly complex character. It probably helped that she consistently had the best songs. After Pain and It's Not My Fault were incredible but I was disappointed by Pain. Maybe I had my expectations set too high after how good her first two songs were.
>>50201186Imagine being the strongest female prisoner by far now reduced to this state. Even the little girl can tease her without fear. Kotoko must be hysterical right now.
>>50204689Amane is vicious in the way that only children can be. And I've waited over five years for Kotoko to be brought this low. It's satisfying.
>>50204676Because she's a realistically spoiled brat. She's got a lot of the signs of someone with covert narcissism, and Yamanaka has experience with writing about the more grandiose versions before her. It doesn't hurt either that Arisa Kori is a godtier vocalist able to put a lot of nuance into her singing because of her insane vocal control. I'd argue she's probably one of Milgram's best alongside Arthur Lounsbery.>After Pain and It's Not My Fault were incredible but I was disappointed by PainProbably because Pain is less of a song and more of an acting performance. There's a lot more sing-talking and speaking in Pain than her first two songs, plus it just straight up recycles After Pain in the final part. It's great when paired with the video, but hard to put on as a music track only.
>>50204746>plus it just straight up recycles After Pain in the final partI actually thought that part was genius. Pain ends with After Pain.
i forgive
>>50204746I agree with the other anon that replied to you, the song isn't as catchy as the other two but the after pain chorus is absolute genius.
>>50204689I wonder how Mahiru's video will show Kotoko. Shame it'll take 1yr+ for her third trial song, she is one of my favorite characters. Her dissing everyone in Deep Cover is hilarious (and the song is great as well)
people are saying its not my fault is from rei's perspective, but shouldnt milgram be only showing muu's?
Hello, OP here again, thanks for participating in the thread! It's turning out real good>>50205579The final part in Pain when After Pain kicks in and she looks at us while the screen cracks with every "itai" was super fucking good, probably replayed it a hundred times. Only wish the ending was repeated once cause it felt sort of abrupt in that final ending tone.Futa does the same with sampling older songs, and while it's good thematically and fun to see, it doesn't hit that well. Half cause I thought, personally, the song wasn't that catchy, and half because there's nothing in the song we haven't already observed to death. Futa's arc was obvious to anyone who saw the milgram gate convos so I assume that's another reason it didn't stick the landing? anyone got other opinions?>>50204689Very fucking deserved. She's still a great character and would've nabbed a perfect 3 inno votes if she wasn't absolutely deranged, and, like other people pointed out, obsessed with punishing rather than avenging. Pretty sure we're gonna get something about her background in T3 in 2033>>50205650I actually hope the next two vidoes (Mahiru and Shidou's death records) don't take long on account of not having that much to do. There is no reason to delay them aside from waiting for the latest video to die down.if I have to predict:>Mahiru's is probably in bed taking her last breaths with Yuno by her side>Shidou maybe slumped and dying from Amane's poison while she taunts with Futa hovering behind her or closing his eyes and praying. If they wanted to go full metal, they can have it be a depressing struggle as a bound shidou gets beaten to death by Amane and Futa>>50205963Highly doubt it. It HELPS you see Rei's PoV, but Mu is fully aware of herself at this point and has stopped pretending to be a complete victim. It's just the same scenario from different angles, rashoumon style. AP shows her victim side, INMF shows her queen bee side, and Pain shows her genuine emotion and confusion at not understanding why all of this happened
>>50206528I fucking spoilered that spoiler wth????
I haven't noticed before, but isn't Muu the prettiest girl in Milgram?
>>50207034She's the one who gets called pretty and attractive as a descriptor the most, yeah. I don't think even Yuno or Kotoko get hit with it as often.
>>50207105I don't just mean being described as pretty in-universe, but based on actual character designs, Muu is the prettiest girl.>Yuno or KotokoI'd put Mahiru second. Definitely over Kotoko at least.
>>50206528When Milgram first came out and introduced the characters through their voice lines and the abundant timeline conversations, Kotoko was the only one who immediately felt unlikable while the rest were unremarkable to me. She remarks both in her sample voice lines and to Shidou in an early conversation that being in Milgram is actually "convenient" for her, but it's convenient in a way that's different from the way Shidou sees it, as he wants to be killed by Milgram instead.I always took that and her offer of working together as her wanting to go after the other prisoners from the get-go. And around the time the first novel got announced, I put together that Kotoko saying she would become Es's fangs meant she would go after the guilty prisoners for Es due to her interrogation answers.Basically if you kept a negative impression against her, you were able to peg her from the start. But she along with Muu was probably one of the most popular and liked prisoners throughout trial one and most of trial two, so her true intentions went under the radar for the majority. It's funny that people are finally seeing her for what she is now.
>>50206528I don't think Fuuta was involved in Shidou's murder. Despite being part of her cult he seemed sane enough in his song/voice drama to know that murder is bad. My guess is that Amane stabbed him and he just let it happen since he wasn't going to hurt children and wanted to die anyways. Also Jackalope would 100% taunt Es if Fuuta was there.I wonder how they'll make the videos to not make amane and mikoto overwhelmingly guilty too, that'll be interesting assuming Es doesn't ignore our voice and does what he wants for the final trial
>>50207811Fuuta says in his interrogation that he was aware of what Amane was planning to do, but did nothing to stop it because he accepted her position. Because of that, he believes he's complicit in Shidou's death.How Shidou died is a mystery though. In the first trial he wanted to die, and he especially wanted Es to kill him because he wanted to be told what he did was unforgivable from a child specifically. So you'd think that means he'd be okay with Amane trying to kill him, but then in the second trial he immediately tells Amane that he won't let her throw a tantrum over his actions and teach her that she was in the wrong. He makes it sound like he'd put up a resistance since people's lives are in his hands now. So I now think Amane had to truly catch him off guard to kill him off, either by quickly killing him in his sleep or poisoning him in secret.
>>50207811>mikotoYou mean Kotoko?
>>50208066Yes, I had a brainfart
Random note but I think the only fumble milgram had was making Yuno's abortion accidental. The whole crime depends on how much agency/responsibility falls on her. Making it an unintentional miscarriage removes all that
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>>50207034bold word when Mahiru mogs her in looks and personality. but ig Muu is luckier, fml>>50207950Shidou's T2 makes it clear he now wants to live in order to protect and save what he can again, not that lucky in that regard. Amane either lured him into a trap and killed him like she killed her mom, or poison. Either way, AMANE SWEEEEEEEPPP>>50207431Yeah, something was off about her from the start. It was obvious she wasn't just some random justice junkie. But knowing milgram, they'll probably give a meta reason for fans to vote her inno (might not help at this point though).
>>50200813>lots of cute muu this timeAnd her cute feet
What the fuck was she doing?
>>50210275>lol you are a loser get it? already told you so lol
>>50210275>tiktok dances over her victim to establish dominance>gets btfoedmore common than you think>>50204710In an alternate timeline where Amane wasn't voted innocent in T2, we could've had shidou kill Kotoko as a precaution>"Give me the chance to extract the fang"He was about to show us why he was called Kirisaki lmao
>>50210115i thought yuno climbed up that stairs cause she wanted to kill herself and her baby but jsut fainted instead
>>50210115Not really. The fumble was including her from the start, because the idea of abortion being a "murder" in the first place is still heavily debated even now. As soon as she was included, it was conclusively decided by Milgram's system that the "life" inside of her was "killed", it effectively concluded that abortion is murder, no two ways about it, and Yuno is the one who caused it to happen, intentionally or not. If people aren't able to accept that premise, then they wouldn't be willing to look past even the surface of her case.Something that people theorized early on was that the prisoners' murders were either intentional or unintentional, and they're paired off that way as well. The ones who kill with their own hands are judged for their culpability as much as the ones whose actions led to someone's death. They didn't have to intend to kill someone to be viewed as responsible for it.That's why Yuno's "murder" being a miscarriage is no different from Futa's "murder" being his doxing of the middle schooler or Mahiru/Kazui apparently driving their lovers to suicide. Agency doesn't matter when they're still considered the main trigger that led to a death. I think this is even hinted at by the way they're arranged in akka's first anniversary drawing. I'm willing to bet Kotoko's being judged not for her vigilantism victims but rather because she somehow accidentally ended up getting the girl who hangs around her killed. Whereas Mikoto is the one who directly committed his murder, with John's existence trying to muddle his culpability.
