SHE'S ALIVE!
>>50213128>>50200612Read the Catalog
>>50213128Wow Tojiko getting a speaking role?Almost worth this garbage of a manga
Not for long
>>50213136*mogs you*
Where is Aunn? Is she safe? Is she alright?
>>50213128link?
>>50213190Aunn isn't doing too good
>>50213200https://comic-walker.com/detail/KC_007140_S/
>>50213190She's fine
>>50213203Did the artist change?Anyway nothing happens.>>50213134I posted a guess previously that Tojiko would be pivotal to Mizuchi finding a way around disappearing, so I'm not too surprised that she's actually being allowed to do things.
Kyouko... no...
>>50213217same artist
I'm betting hopinh Yuugi is the one who's busting out of the underground.Why?Because.
>>50213219Wasnt she recover in previous chapter? Why is she dead again
>>50213231We don't know, Kogasa come to the shrine on behalf of the temple looking for help, it probably has to do with whatever's coming out of the ground at the Myouren graveyard.
>>50213240Yuugi had an explosive stinky fart down there?
Mimi now have TWO friends!
>>50213207SSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXX!!!!!
Bone status?
>>50213302Bone meal
>>50213264cute mimi
>>50213264Lesbians!
IT'S HAPPENING!
>>50213207We need more 2hu in their original monstrous/bestial form
>>50213219I can't believe Youmu did this to her
>Mizuchi shirt is now loose and show her sexy black lingerie Slut
>>50213820The current mangas are too lewd
>>50214199They always have been
All according to plan to slowly work up to showing graphic yurisex.
I'm guessing the witness Satori pulls off is just gonna be YoshikaShe's going full Ace Attorney pulling witnesses out from the grave
>>50218988Most likely, yeahWhy would she be buried tho? She's supposed to be guarding the Cemetery, not rest in itDid the culprit do it to hide evidence?
>>50213736Is kyouko really like this
>>50218988Hopefully, it would make sense with this being the TD rehash section of the story and Yoshika would look quite good in the current artist's style, wonder if this means that ZUN is going to keep pulling character from the games that follow
>>50220665I'd really like to see Mizuchi and Junko get along, her making a friend group of Yuugi, Mizuchi, and Junko would be fun.Seija and the DDC cast would also be great, although I don't think I'd want to see the story go past TH15.Honestly I'd rather have 16+ have its own dedicated manga instead of being sucked up into the Mizuchi zone.
>>50220685LoLK might work if it was primarily focused on Ringo and Seiran as victims.HSiFS would be a MoF repeat which is fine.WBaWC is already set in hell so that would be tough to justify unless they set the arc conclusion there.UM could work I guess, but they already visited Youkai Mountain so eh.
>>50220743Unironically would rather it be Mima, prior Hakurei sounds hacky and I don't want a Mizuchi repeat.
>>50220776Watch it be Minamitsu
>>50220781...why?
>>50220743I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED!a need for green bully ghost
>>50220800Aunn just letting it happen
FRAUDnako and Suwako jobbed to MizuchiEirin and KaGAYa were completely outmaneuvered.Yuyuko and YUCKari were completely fodderized.Even Byatch-kuren had her temple half destroyed.But isn't it interesting that Mizuchi just completely avoided a certain someone? It almost seemed intentional. Almost as if she were afraid, knowing full well that if she tried to fuck with her she'd be completely screwed?Mizuchi fears Eiki Shiki YamaGOATxanadu.
>>50220743Since I don't expect previous hakurei-chan to be a permanent addition, I'd kinda like it to be her. I want her to be slightly mean to Reimu about how she runs the shrine
>>50220818>>50220768I imagine LoLK being basically the epilogue, which is why Junkie would show up. So the story can end on a sweet note with all these vengeance obsessed weirdos becoming friends.Besides that we already had rabbits appear, although Rino and Seiran aren't Inaba and the live(?) in the human village so maybe it'd be different enough. Although seeing more Doremy is always nice.I guess the manga could have HSiFS while skipping some other things, HSiFS does feel like an earlier game (somehow) so I can see it showing up.
>>50213219>>50213240They left the chocolate unattended...
English translation is up, they just completely bury Suika's role in Mizuchi's choice and eventual death and frame it as her acting as an independent agent that just hates peace. kek.
>>50221099>Futo slanders ReimuCould this be the true identity of our thread pest?
Everyone is ignoring the real reveal this chapter.Tojiko is a canon titty monster.>>50221126Show me the lie.
>>50221099This is the first time we've seen Alice since she canonically died and was forgotten.
>>50221137It's pretty egregious in this case because of how wrong Futo is, Reimu literally goes out right away to try to help Kyouko and stop Mizuchi again. I guess Miko never explained Reimu's thoughts to Futo, at least she seems to have a good grasp on the situation.Even if Mizuchi isn't the culprit.
>>50221112Where do people get this shit
>>50221112I was hoping that wasn't the case, I wanted some confrontation and backstory between the Oni sisters. (Yuugi, Suika, and Kasen.)But hey, a man can dream. And write fanfic!Hopefully Suika comes up again.
>>50221156But she isn't wrong. Reimu has no mechanism outside of "vibes" to prove Mizuchi has reformed and nothing to keep her in line. She immediately seems to be running out to find her specifically because she's probably starting to realize how fucking stupid her plan was.Futo is completely right, did nothing wrong, and will probably be punished by the narrative anyway because she's possessed by the new criminal spirit.
>>50221135I demand someone draw the titmogging
>>50221168>I was hoping that wasn't the case, I wanted some confrontation and backstory between the Oni sisters. (Yuugi, Suika, and Kasen.)Considering Kasen lost her arm literally 1000 years ago it's quite plausible that she split from the other two as close contacts hundreds of years ago. The only indication otherwise is that Kasen knows Yuugi well enough to borrow her sake dish, but she doesn't seem to like to hang out much around Suika even in a semi-private setting.So I don't think there's much to them being involved in the mystery, aside from Suika and Yuugi maybe wanting to do something.
>>50221189...for a murderer.
>>50221200True, I guess I just really want some dramatic confrontation between the sisters.
>>50221166https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/touhou_chireikiden_cheating_detective_satori_ch45#1>>50221099or hereblind ass nigga
>>50221160She really is, I'm glad we're getting more Mizuchi again. Futo is really the only candidate for being possessed right now but I'm hoping its not her.Either way I wonder how she'll react when Reimu comes calling, either way Reimu trying to help people will go against her expectations.
>>50221216People still really don't understand what Suika's role is despite the long ass hiatus?Jesus, no wonder why CDS threads are shitpost havens.
>>50220835Goated post.
>>50221237If Futo is possessed then Miko can hear her desires, either way she seems to be hiding information from Futo.If she is possessed she's luring the spirit into a vulnerable spot, if she's not than Miko knows who is and is waiting for the right time to make a move.At least that's how I see it.
>>50221227I kind of hope they just go for the obvious answer, the alternative is the most egregious jobbing in the manga to date where the single best equipped character in Gensokyo to deal with a vengeful spirit gets defeated by a vengeful spirit.
Where are the MiMi lewds?
>>50221277No, it's all just conjecture at this point.Maybe it's a long range mind-controller. Maybe it's Koishi. Maybe it's Doremy. Maybe Kyouko just got knocked out.Who knows.
>>50221330Or it could be a different ability, at least Satori thinks there's something going on.
Why do shonenshitters regularly seethe over superior manga like whale tits?
>>50221269True, true, although does have a hbit of ignoring characters that are ideal for dealing with Vengeful Spirits.
>>50221396FS also played by the same formula and it got just as boring just as fastDoesn't help Miyoi is a noncharacter in her own manga, at least Kosuzu had a personality despite that personality being an annoying little shit that sticked her nose in places she shouldn't have in order to keep the plot moving forward, only for her to never do anything again after her manga ended.
>>50221430I fell like FS had a stronger overall narrative, where whatetits can feel kind of empty.
>>50221375Both are dogshit.
>>50221099wish the guy who does the LE translations was this quick
>>50221446FS had a lot more blue balling moments, less happens in Whale Tits but it's not trying to be a "happening" manga.
Big and Canon
>>50221460LE is on a magazine so they need to wait for scan first
Tojiko talked more here than in any canon appearance she ever had
>>50221761Isn't it greatWhen ZUN uses characters
>>50221492In retrospect I'm more forgiving of that due to the manga's ending. The entire time people were trying to prevent Kosuzu from coming to a dramatic conclusion, only for them to eventually fail and an incident starts.Of course everything still ends up okay in the end. But maybe things would have been easier if they were honest with Kosuzu from the start instead of working around her.
>>50221168She probably will come up again. Mizuchi doesn't hold a grudge against her for some reason. When she heard she was the one helping she was surprised and immediately ran to the Mountain.
>>50221771I specifically hate FS for its nothing burger ending where Reimu has to sacrifice nothing and Yukari flip flops on her typical position on Reimu's relationship with Youkai
>>50221765IAgreeIt'sCoolWhen ZUNUsesCharacters.
>>50221788Yeah:D
>>50220835>Mizuchi fears Eiki ShikiMemes aside, that's everybody, isn't it? The Yama is there at the end, for everyone, and she holds the means to condemn you to eternal torture.
>>50221761Tojiko got cheated when ZUN decided to do some stupid beast thing for Phantasmagoria 3.
>>50221765What does she do usually actually. For her to go to the hakurei shrine just to chat with Mizuchi, she probably has a lot of free time
>>50221838She was serving Miko in whale so probably not much in all honesty
>>50221208Do not attract that faggot to this thread to.
>>50221895He was making a dumb Elder Scrolls reference.
>>50221786I don't think Yukari really changed her position, Reimu's job is to act as a balancer between Youkai and humans.Sure, she could have let the situation get worse, but as she said the situation would have been tragic for that girl. That girl being both Reimu and Kosuzu, Yukari's actions here were to prevent Reimu from having to kill a friend.I feel like Reimu understands that on some level, and Yukari was able to manipulate her because of how softhearted she is.Yukari is just trying to make sure Reimu doesn't deviate from her role due to the stress of killing a friend.
>>50221895This faggot?
>>50221914dead in game Voice actor dead in real life
>>50221900>>50221914Well, now I know.
>>50221923Made me check
>>50221895He's already up thread. Even without quoting line by line he has a pretty distinct posting style.
Refrain from chasing boogeymans this early for everyone else that wants to actually discuss shit, thanks.
>>50221857That's the benefit of being Miko's first wife. Also she doesn't need to be baby sat like Futo does, and isn't a pain in the ass like Seiga.Actually, seeing she's so independent, I'd love to see her more on her own without the rest of the gang.
The description for this arc says there's three sides. a side that wants Mizuchi sealed again and a side that wants her to pass on peacefully. And a side that wants to "use" her for their own gain. and that's how the incident started. I can kinda get the first two but who would benefits from the third side?
>>50221984Maybe Miko or the Myouren temple. In SoPM Miko talks about how youkai are ideally tools for humans and it could fit with her deciding to wait for the others to make their move.That way when she moves in Mizuchi might look to her as a friend.
>>50221984ReimuMoney
>>50221827It's not eternal, touhou has reincarnation, souls reincarnate after they die.
>>50222007what's she going to do have people pay to gawk at her?
>>50222064Knowing Reimu?Yes.
>>50222186Looks like Futo is jealous.
Whenver I see Futo, I remember Fuantei.I miss that fucker.
>>50221984The people who use herSatori have always wanted Mizuchi to go through proper channel and reincarnate (but Reimu insist she can handle her)The Taoist of course is not going to stand Reimu housing a vengeful spirit
>>50222266So Yukari wants her to stay sealed like last time, while Satori and Miko want her to peacefully reincarnate. Those make sense.Although I think the users are still up in question. I guess Reimu is a goodish pick.
How would you react if in the later stages of the arc, Marisa and Reimu need the Palanquin Ship to go to Makai?
>>50222343Only if the myouren temple does a mecha-transformation into the ship.
>>50222221i miss him too.
>>50222343I wouldn't really care. Why Makai outside of pandering?
>>50213736Yuyu's adorable feet!
so it's the same as Mizuchi's own flashback. the way Mokou said made it seems like the shrine maiden tried to talk to her before her death
>>50222361The new vengeful spirit is a grunt for a Godzilla-sized vengeful spirit and the Palanquin Ship transforms like the Dino Megazord to fight it in Makai
Kogasa is surprisingly big.Also, lol at the title. My favorite is Futo's.
>>50222419Anon it's abridged you retard.
>>50222493Futo's had me in stitches.
>>50221984These 2 have yet to show up in CDS, and now that we know how the story is structured, they definitely will show up. I am looking forward to their shenanigans
>>50222669CDS has been skipping non-integer games (see: SWR), so I doubt we'll see them, Kokoro or Sumireko.
>>50222714That doesn’t mean anything, they skipped PoFVIf anyone would use Mizuchi for money, then it’s them
>>50222714That makes me wonder how Mizuchi would react to the interspecies love story Kokoro wrote?
>>50222722They skipped PoFV because >>50220835...or, more likely, because the only faction you could really focus on in PoFV is too small and also Mizuchi would have to be suicidal or stupid to travel to actual hell, let alone a Yama's office, as a vengeful spirit.
Hatate did show up so it depends on ZUN's mood
>>50221298It was Suika again.
>>50222765Right, but she's connected to Youkai Mountain and as such the MoF crew. Same with Kiyouko getting to show up in the UFO chapter despite debuting in TD.
>>50222775Uh oh, looks like Suika has a history of bullying Kyouko.
>>50222813>>50222775Why is Suika such a bitch?
>>50222813If I knew Kyouko irl I would probably regularly punch her too.
>>50222818Her mythological background as Ibuki-douji has being born a half-youkai but choosing to leave her humanity behind.So she's a person who chose to live and embraced a youkai-lifestyle despite only being a half-youkai.That and she's massively childish and irresponsible.
Reminder that Yuyuko of all people hates Suika according to Immaterial and Missing Power
she's just playing the game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
>>50222917Yuyuko is consistently one of the best hus at seeing through bullshit so it checks out.
>>50221674LE raws always gets uploaded even before CDS does anon
>>50221460It's because he typesets all the sound effects too on top of being slower. I appreciate the effort but honestly it wouldn't be any skin off my nose if he just did it the way db scans do it for CDS
>>50222917Yuyu is cool like that
>>50223268Yet she hangs out with Yukari...
>>50223591She sees how pathetic Yukari truly is and pities her.
>>50223602She's still a child murderer. Maybe it's like Batman and the joker.
>>50223591They've been friends for a very long time, of course she'd turn a blind eye on Yukari's bullhit.
Autistic anon still thinks all banter is literal.
>>50223619God only knows what dishwashers really did to make him end up like this...
>>50223619>Character profiles count as banter>inb4: "It's never been said she kidnaps CHILDREN!" It's never been said she abducts men either.
>>50223610Yuyuko really is pitiful, I'm happy she was able to achieve peace after death.Hopefully one day Yukari can be content as well.
>>50223641I still want this to happen to Yukari, frankly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W944vHnaQPw
>>50223538Fighting off all of Yukari and Youmu's suitors single handedly, god bless her keeping our hags and girls pure.
>>50223636"Barthes Sign ~ Death of the Author"
>>50223636None of her profiles mention children, just that people vanish because she likes to fuck around with barriers. Once again you insert your own head canon and act like it's canon.Don't bother replying to this post, I'm not going to reply to whatever retarded shit spews out of your mouth next.
>>50223672>None of her profiles mention children,Okay? It doesn't mention men or women either. Nothing indicates she has some kind of heart on for children and we know she abducted Sumireko as a child.
>>50223644>IWoah, woah woah. Who's this "I" are they a touhou character. "I" want a source on this.>stillStill? What do you "still" want? Don't you think this this is a lot of emphasis to put on one sentance?>thisThis?! What's this?! Get to the subject already. You haven't even explained who this "I" character is.Slow down.>to Woah, woah woah. Slow down, you still haven't introduced the subject here.>HappenHappen? What's happening? You haven't even explained who "I" is or what this has to do with Yukari (my wife)>ToTo, again? Who's this to character really? Are they some sort of nazi. This is starting to sound like a dogwhistle.>YukariFinally, it's starting to make sense. You what something to happen to Yukari, but what is it.And what does that have to do with Yuyuko finding peace in death?>frankWait, who's frank? Yukari's last name isn't frank, broski, don't just introduce a new character out of nowhere.>youWell, I'm glad you're acknowledging me.>tubeWho's tube? Me tube, you tube. Wait that's it, youtube! You know you could have explained that earlier, you're talking about a youtube video.>7Like the light novel Sevens?>PageAh, you're talking about the comic. So something involving the number 7 happens in CDS?I don't remember that.Well that's all for today I can't be bothered to read the rest of your lengthy post. I'll see you back home, kiss you later babe!
Why do CDS threads attract such autistic retarded drivel from some faggot making shit up about some character? I'm going to track your IP address and send it to Obama so he drone strikes you and /jp/ is free from your dogshit posts.
>>50223684It's adorable you think this is funny. Like a little kid repeating a joke he heard grown ups say without understanding the context.
>>50223652>Yukari>suitorsehhh
>>50223682Huh, I didn't know Sumirenko was raped by Yukarin as a child, poor girl.I hope Yukarin isn't traumatized.
>>50223706Yukari doesn't have suitors.She has victims.
>>50223700>ObamaAnon...
>>50223713>Huh, I didn't know Sumirenko was raped by Yukarin as a child, poor girl.Didn't bring up Yukari being a pedophile but she probably is, yes.
>>50223706She's a VERY PRETTY woman. I mean girl. Yukari is a young girl. She's seventeen years old.No, if you're going to ask, Yukari isn't behind
Amazing.
Not mentioned nor appeared once in this chapter yet currently derailing the thread. Heh. All according to keikaku.
It's nice to see Tojiko, just because we got some actual characterization for her, and not just some article written by the long dead noble girl.May Akyuu rest in peace.
>>50223737She'll be buried next to Alice and Keine's face.
>>50223737It's so sad Yukari killed her, but its what underage girls get for raping Yukari. If only mama Ran could protect Yukari-sama from such mean little girls.I hope her next reincarnation, Ajuu, doesn't traumatize Yukari as much.t. Chen
>>50223660Is that Black Tewi's spell card?
>>50223737i like how ZUN said she will live longer now, but she might as well be dead in canon because he will never come back for her for some reason
>>50223757ZUN has designated the dog as the ultimate jobber whenever a spooky villain comes to town now.
>>50223757
>>50223757Ultimate toilet
>>50223768The dawg sweeps, the dawg screams "YAHOO!" and "OHAYOU GOZAIMASU!", and the dawg schleeps. That's her job.
>>50223757GET BACK IN BED!
>>50223788why is this allowed
>>50223788Futo is so lucky.....https://files.catbox.moe/66hasb.jpg
>>50223768Jobber in inaccurate because it implies she was ever portrayed as being powerful or worthy of fear/respect. You can't job if your loss holds no weight, it doesn't make the other guy look impressive. She's fodder, or a butt monkey as the kids say. She exists entirely to be abused and to be pitiful.
>>50223820
>>50223802That's a lot of nuts!
We're back to CDS, baby! I missed that spotfest booked by ZUN Russohttps://youtu.be/Wg92RrNhB8s?si=m3MeEjY5iTPhVjOe I was a gook, I gave in to the grimI know LewdCHADS owned me, at least I'm being honestFeel like a genius 'cause I know that ZUN hacked that storyI should've not sell my mom 'cause I wanted a dishwasherAnd I know, and I know, and I know that my headcanon isn't realBut, boy, I couldn't give it to youAnd I know, and I know, and I know that you got no Home-DepotBut I got nothing 'xcept WarhammerSo one last timeI need to be the one who force my headcanonOne more timeI promise after that, I'll fuck my toaster/jp/, I don't care if you got her in your heartAll I really care is to troll with my shitOne last timeI need one last battery on my pacemakerI don't deserve it, I know that I'm just shitpostingBut stay with me on CDS, I swear I'll make it worth itCan't you forgive me? At least just temporarilyI know that this is my fault, I should've been less autisticAnd I know, and I know, and I know that my headcanon isn't realBut, man, I couldn't give it to youAnd I know, and I know, and I know that you got no Home-DepotBut I got nothing 'xcept WarhammerSo one last timeI need to be the one who force my headcanonOne more timeI promise after that, I'll fuck my toaster/jp/, I don't care if you got her in your heartAll I really care is to troll with my shitOne last timeI need one last battery on my pacemakerI know I should stop posting, because /jp/ is mocking me, yeahBut stay with me a minute, I swear I'll make it worth it, /jp/'Cause I don't wanna be the buttmonkey, ohSo one last timeI need to be the one who force my headcanonOne more timeI promise after that, I'll fuck my toaster/jp/, I don't care if you got her in your heartAll I really care is to troll with my shitOne last timeI need one last battery on my pacemakerOne last timeI need to be the one force my headcanon
>>50223914Don't stay off you meds too long, /asp/ie
>>50223914Poor Kyouko, butt monkey to everyone.At least she makes good music.
>>50223757Put a shock collar on her
>>50223920>don't stay off your* meds too long, /asp/ie.My meds are going a no-show! Yet in stepping on the gas, leaving everyone behind. Here for the party to welcome back MiMi on the industry. Freestyling on the gooky to show that monkey who is still the king. I'm no-sellin' because he is not booked to win.>>50223927Her skills are not in the ring, but in the sing. Time to do that mouthpiece from the Myouren faction justice.
at least kyouko still shows up here and there...alice...
Alice is with me, it's okay
I hope she eats biscuits and crisps in your bed
>>50223914Holy shit, norkfag really went silent with this one! Maybe he'll crash out like the last time. Next time, make songs related to CDS.
>>50224108From one of the most prominent 2hu character and now being fucking demoted to koakuma-tier is certainly a unusual fate
>>50224216Kinda bummed the new CDS artist used the 'classic' Koa design for the Omikuji book instead of this one
>>50224108>>50224216Never lost faith Alicenakama, Soon™
>>50224370New Fightan soon, brosHave faith
>>50224370forest people are weird
>>50224370What's this from?
>>50224389Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine
>>50224389Whispered Oracle of Hakurei ShrineIt's a collection of fortune slips depicting most if not all Windows 'Hus.
>>50224411Sounds gay
>>50224419it was written by Reimu.
>>50224411>>50224418I looked up on the wiki for the other PC-98 veteran, and huh...
Could you fucks stop bullying my wife pleaseshe doesn't deserve this
>>50224474>"guest character"man
>>50224485you wife is my side chick
>>50224474What about it?Don't you feel attracted to the pretty flower (Youkai)?
>>50224474...Yuuka attracts human?
What is the difference between yankee and youkai?
>>50224494Shut up Mystia, just go grill my eels
>>50224474So does ZUN regards two different era of Touhou as separate series? Or is it just mistranslation?
>>50224526Separate, apparentlyIt's not the first time he's refered to Yuuka, or even Alice, as 'guest characters'.
>>50222840So, Suika is an insecure mutt-Oni who has to exaggerate her Oni-ness for fear of being called out as a fraud? Though, I thought she wasn't literally Ibuki-douji, but a relative.Perhaps a daughter? One that's only quarter-Oni.
Zun doesn't even know what kind of person Reimu is
>>50224571>what kind of person Reimu isTbf he doesn't know most of his character either, other than the three shillhu
>>50224571But ZUN doe know who Reimu is, in pic rel he's talking about when Reimu is being her true self.Characters also make pretty consistently say she puts up a hard facade but is actually overly soft beneath, or things to that affect.
>>50224555It's unclear, but Kasen is in a similar situation where she was born a mutte Oni and is an ambiguous relation of ibuki-douji.I just prefer Suika as Ibuki-douji and Kasen's adoptive mom. There's a nice symmetry there with Suika adopting a half-youkai and then raising Kasen to be like herself, but she ended up being an irresponsible and bad mother. Actions she would repeat with Mizuchi.I just like Suika being pretty consistently flawed in how she takes on responsibility she is unequipped to handle. of course she acts composed which gives people a false idea that she knows what she's doing, which only plays into the problem.
>>50224536What does that make Makai then? Given that it was brought back in UFO. This flipflopping ZUN does regarding PC-98 is extremely fucking annoying.
>>50224716Tbf Makai was nothing like it was depicted in Th1-2-5He'll keep doing that. That's juts how ZUN 'works'. You just have to deal with it.
>>50224653Yeah, her character is pretty easy to pin down. She's a laid-back and kinda lazy girl with a job as security guard that she took very seriously when push comes to shove. Of course she has "different" personality because various official media also has different tone and theme from each other.If anything, CDS shows all of her different personality and pretty much contextualize them all, she goes from being nonchalant in the beginning of the story ala SSiB as both were intra-youkai bullshittery that doesn't relate to human-youkai balance, then gets slightly goofier in IN arc ala WaHH when she realize she's out of her depth, and finally goes full Crimson Slasher ala FS and the games when she decide to do her actual damn job
>>50224716ZUN's position on PC98 has always been "it's not really canon but I'll pull ideas from it sometimes".
Will the real Reimu please stand up (please stand up)
>>50224683Ah, wait I meant Shuten-douji. I keep thinking she named after her gourd like Kasen is named after her box.Also Suika naming Kasen off of a magic box of alcohol she found is funny.
>>50224752That 'sometimes' is sure taking a long time to happen again, ain't it?
>>50224763sometimes WAHHMostly gamemu
>>50224379It's true, next year infact alongside 20.3!
>>50224474We're meant to drink Yuuka's nectar and help pollinate her
>>50224812What's 20.3 going to be like, if it's ALONGSIDE the fightan?
>>50224812While a fightin is overdue, something tells me Tasofro's last desperate release didn't make the money they needed it to make. They've been radio silent for over 2 years and haven't released a new game in 4 years.
>>50224832Sad. SFW was good.
>>50221460Please understand, SCoOW yurislop takes priority.
>>50224860Doesn't he do Ladies of Koumakan as well?Then yeah, trash has priority over official releases.
Assuming we do get a new fighter soon, you figure Taso will continue to build off the flying engine or SFW engine, or will we get something completely new?Roster-wise what would you expect? It's too soon for any FW reps to reasonably get in considering when the game would have had to started development. I'd probably shoot myself if it ended up being more animal shilling shit.
>>50224526>>50224536>>50224716>>50224734>>50224752Basically PC-98 is irrelevant to the current Touhou settings, like a prequel and sequel
>>50224890Hopefully the characters which were depicted as fightfags in CDS that weren't already in.So Toramaru, Flan, Yamame/Parsee, and I'm blanking if there's anyone else
>>50224910Flan and Yamame were already in SFW (though Yamame wasn't playable).
>>50224526Contrary to what other anons are saying... no they aren't seperate series as ZUN says its the same world but new info will retcon PC-98 stuff. Think Rika, Rikako and Yumemi / Chiyuri are three big reasons why PC-98 is largely ignored because the former two go against the newer idea of humans are meant to be somewhat weak and afraid of the youkai, something they can't be if they have two humans running around making tanks and jetpacks that could easily fight back. And Yumemi is an 18 year old college professor with a time travelling spaceship.Yuuka's probably considered a guest character because even back in LLS she isn't even a resident of Gensokyo she lives in some fuckoff pocket dimension that was only accessible via draining a massive blood lake and it's noteworthy that she doesn't even have a place of residence listed in Windows. She is a literal in-universe guest character>>50224734Visually speaking it wasn't but that could be attributed to it being Hokkai and not Makai proper (it does kind of look like the Ruins of Vina we see in HrtP but just from an aerial view). We do see a city in the stage 6 background and Marisa's endings confirm there's a Civilisation of Magic there and she even went and bought "Makai Crackers"There's some strong implications that although we never see a single Makai resident in UFO it really is the same Makai, just ZUN's not interested in returning to it because he prefers going into real world mythology these days when sourcing characters and probably doesn't like that with Makai it's 100% inventedUFO was honestly such a huge loveletter to PC-98 it's hard to see why people still argue this sometimesBetween shit like Marisa using a magic wand and also MarisaB (the canon route per ZUN's word btw) literally being Mima's shottype, Murasa Sinker Ghost being a callback to the Stage 4 midboss Louise, Nue's midboss form being a reference to the "Mysterious Ball of Light" midboss, Byakuren's "Devil's Recitation." It's clear while he's not interested in revisiting it much the same way we aren't getting EoSD 2: "This Time it's Satsuki" or Triple Dealing Character anytime soon he still cares about it (he has also replayed the PC-98 games enough times on interviews and such its hard to think he doesn't)>>50224860I know the CDS translation was delayed but it's still impressive we got it before the LE chapter translation despite it being out longer
>>50224916>literally being Mima's shottypeThe only time Marisa has actually had a shot similar to Mima MS was in IN, ironically. Marisa's B shot in UFO is just a monstrosity.
>>50220800This is the most palatable work I've seen ryuuchi draw. Something about his style is just off-putting to me.
>>50224956It's an acquired taste.Though honestly I've never been put off by it, more like weirded out, in a good sense
>>50224821Who the fuck knows especially after 18.5Nah but if you actually consult this handy graph (EDIT: nevermind it's too large) you'll see since DDC ZUN always releases 3 games in 3 consecutive years followed by a year's break (where he'll usually release a Hifuu album) and the game in the second year will always be a decimal spinoffBut at the same time whenever Tasofro releases games on different engines* (that's the keyword, shit like Soku and ULiL and AoCF had much much shorter dev times because they used the same engine) it usually takes 5 years and we got 17.5 in 2021 it makes sense we'll get a new fightan in 2026>>50224832They're still around and you're kinda forgetting the whole point of this doujin stuff isn't to make money, they're not a business they're passionate NEETs>>50224890New engine 100% and for the love of God let's return to the more grounded gameplay and aesthetics of Soku over whatever the hell was going on in the flying fighters.>It's too soon for any FW reps to reasonably get in considering when the game would have had to started development. Nina feels like the perfect fighting game character though maybe that's just waifu bias speaking, but she's a character that really benefits from getting 200 lines of dialogue interacting with every character in the cast as she accuses all of them of being glowies or members of the elite (Just you watch her pre-fight dialogue with Flandre / Remilia / Chiyari will be like "You drink blood? You mean adrenochrome! I knew it, the elites are really bloodsuckers!")>I'd probably shoot myself if it ended up being more animal shilling shit.Would you atleast consider grazing yourself instead since it's more likely to be one of the "Lieutenants" introduced in 19 like Enoko or BitenGenerally speaking something else to note is that the Fightings so far seem to try to avoid reusing characters if possible between different engined gamesOut of everyone who appeared in Soku the only ones that appeared in AoCF wereReimu - Cheating they're in all games, Marisa - Cheating they're in all games, Reisen, Yukari and Tenshi Then out of those sets of characters the ones that reappeared in Gouyoku Ibun wereReimu (cheating again), Marisa (cheating again), the Yorigamis and UtsuhoSo it looks like chances are we're getting characters who mostly haven't appeared yet in all 3 games though I hope this isn't true and we'll get characters like Youmu, Sakuya and Alice back
>>50224979Catboxed my Schizo Graph https://files.catbox.moe/jqrqiu.png
>>50224979>>50224984Thank you, Clam of UltimateTruths.
>>50224606I mean, this works well if you want a jack of all trades personality to fit whatever situation needs fit, but it gets frustrating when it jumps around a bit TOO much. Granted, it's not just Reimu that has this problem like you imply. She's just exacerbated because she's the face of the franchise and naturally gets used for everything. I've just coped with inconsistencies by viewing everything that's not a game as its own little pocket continuity that deviates a bit. Easier to enjoy things in a vacuum that way.
>>50224979>they're not a business they're passionate NEETsThey are literally a business.>and for the love of God let's return to the more grounded gameplay and aesthetics of Soku over whatever the hell was going on in the flying fighters.The flying fighters always looked nicer than the IaMP fighters.
>>50224926I guess anon meant her charge attack in PoDD? As it shoots "cuts" or whatever the fuck keeps using to send me everything back to my screen in PoDD. Mima's charge attack also kinda spreads like MarisaB ignoring the unfocused backshot.>>50224916>former two go against the newer idea of humans are meant to be somewhat weak and afraid of the youkai,I mean the little we get about the common human doesn't seems to be much different as in windows so that doesn't feel like it being that imo, we even get Sumi who is also the "loser in outside world menace to Gensokyo" human.Rika's case is mostly because having a "tank industry" and such might have felt a bit off for his modern view of Gensokyo with connections to real life and mystifying tech instead of throwing "futuristic sci-fi fantasy" stuff like magic flying tank monsters and jetpacs. And focused more on "occult science" and "irl science myths" like comparing shikigami to computers and nuclear fusionHe has also moved away from non humanoid bosses and such.>time travelling spaceshipI guess it could be implied time traveling due to the title but I remember it "just" being interdimensional travel.imo what happens is that he just recycled some ideas of pc98 into other characters like you could say that Rikako inspired Patche and Rinosuke.Yumemi and Chiyuri inspired the Hifuu and Sumi.So he probably feels it would be awkward to have another character filling the same spot.>he still cares about it Yeah, but I guess we have that even with early canon. ZUN just doesn't put characters in unless it feels right for him, just like Iwanaga appearing in CiLR and then FW after a fuckton of years. Hard to know if he has forgotten or not.ZUN still said to not think too much about his old works. And also the new canon overwrites older contradicting canon was meant for pc98 iirc.
>>50221984i want to use Mizuchi
The inconsistency of Miko's bangs and Futo's clothes bother me a bit, can understand the hair/clothes changing length for certain poses/scenes but here it just seems because.>>50218988Would be funny if it was actually Seiga because ZUN thought that would be funnier.>>50224916>I know the CDS translation was delayed but it's still impressive we got it before the LE chapter translation despite it being out longerThis has happened before.LE translator feels more perfectionist(with whatever subjective concept of perfect translation) CDS feels more rush and also messed up some things in a previous chapter so idk.But idk maybe putting a TL for the "belly split talk" == "talk to someone who understands" and would have kept the places as stages to go with the "closing the curtain" in the recap but it's easy to complain and hard to translate so... idk
>>50225123Yes I was referring to the charge attack in PoDD which is named Piercing Wide Wave which even sounds similar to Super Spread Wave. Though it's also vaguely similar to her shot-type in MS albeit a lot more spread out by comparison>I mean the little we get about the common human doesn't seems to be much different as in windows so that doesn't feel like it being that imoI was referring more to the fact that if someone like Rika was walking around the human village would be heavily armed because everyone would ask her to build stuff to protect them. But good point with Sumireko there i've been letting the grimtard get to me too much, I forgot that literally our two main protags are humans that kick everyone's asses (the problem is the Grimtard just says 'nuh uh exceptions not the norm' all the time to any individual examples)>I guess it could be implied time traveling due to the title but I remember it "just" being interdimensional travel.Both Chiyuri and Yumemi's bombs have clock imagery, Chiyuri's title being "the Sailor of Time" and Yumemi talking about a grand unified theory being established does also imply she might be from the future (especially since ZUN confirmed that in the Hifuu version of our future the grand unified theory has been established too)He definitely recycled the PC98s into some Windows characters like Yumeko and Sakuya are too damn similar to be a coincidence>And also the new canon overwrites older contradicting canon was meant for pc98 iirc.You'd think but a lot's actually been retconned since early Windowsone big example I can think of was how the prologue.txt for EoSD mentions that the Scarlet Mist was outright toxic and would kill every human in Gensokyo in 30 minutes. Which was later retconned to it just made you feel sick and was at most a risk to those weak of health like the elderly or children unless they stayed indoors which Fantasy Maiden Wars actually uses as a plotpoint since you have to do an escort mission to get Akyuu to the Shrine because she has weak health. Should also be noted ZUN admitted the original creator of the Scarlet Mist was intended to be Patchouli at EoSD's release but he changed it in Bohemian Archive to be RemiliaAnother would be the spellcard rules themselves. People always get hung up on the "Lol spellcard rules are dumb, how is it that this boss that shows up even outside Gensokyo knows the rules and still uses dodgeable spellcards?" and don't even notice ZUN himself realised this and has since made it clear there are some fights in the game that really are lethal but for gameplay reasons they're still using dodgeable spellcards. Symposium of Post-Mysticism is probably the big first one too do this by admitting the Underground doesn't follow the rules of Gensokyo at all and most of the cast in SA was trying to kill you. From then on it's case-by-case.Admittedly a lot of the early lore about this was ZUN attempting to connect the gameplay and lore together as much as possible. Like "Continues" being explained as "oh humans get to rechallenge youkai again and again as much as they like and Reimu does that a lot" but I think that's been quietly dropped too because well it's kinda dumb.He's even admitted Spellcards used to be literal cards the characters used but later on just became DBZ attack names (including an interesting tidbit that the squares orbiting the characters in the Gen 1 games *were* the spellcards)
>>50225198>I was referring more to the fact that if someone like Rika was walking around the human village would be heavily armed because everyone would ask her to build stuff to protect them.Considering that Rika's contraptions do seem to be at least partially spiritual and she's also the cause of bakebake infestation at the shrine in SoEW, I like to think that she's actually a magician, and LE just recently revealed that other magicians do exist.
>>50225362the techno magi of Gensokyotoo cool for ZUN
>>50225380That's Rinnosuke, it's talked about in CoLA, but the Mini-hakkero is based off outside world technology and magic.Thus it doesn't require the own user's magic to use.
>>50225740yeah but he is like...a dudeand he doesn't have a biomechanical abomination as a tank, or a jetpackand Rinnosuke is only half human. Gensokyo needs more powerful human
>>50225960Someone could probably just commission something off of him if they were rich enough.Besides isn't Marisa's magic based off his work.Maybe me and Yumemers would get along...
>>50226082Yumemi's recursive time travel meme would be too much for you, you wouldn't uderstand her at all
>>50225960>Gensokyo needs more powerful humanThere's also Rikako. She's described as a scientist that can do magic. Now that I think about it, they are quite similar. Rikako is a scientist, Rika is an engineer. Maybe Rikako designed the contraptions and Rika put them into reality? Maybe they live together outside the village and collaborate on stuff? I think there's certaintly some food for thought.
>>50225740To be fair he originally designed the thing to be a multifunctional space heater + stove + flashlight. Intended as a useful gift for a runaway girl living on her own for the first time, he just didn't expect said girl to be insane by her own word and reverse engineer and modify it into having flamethrower + magicannon functions too>>50226154There is one infamous fanwork that had them be sisters and at one point they rebuild the Evil Eye Sigma into a giant spider mech and get in a mech fight with Nitori in a real robot copy of the Hisoutensoku, buuut.
>>50226292Marisa is fun, sYou give her a flashlight and she comes back with a death ray.
>>50224503Yuuka won. Yukari in shambles
>>50226321I know it's a real basic bitch choice but Marisa is my favourite character for a lot of reasons, it's why I like LE despite how much nothing goes on because Marisa is at least doing something. CDS has definitely done her dirty so here's hoping Samsara redeems her a bit especially if this second vengeful spirit is who I'm hoping it is
>>50224503She is actually one of the more friendly youkai as Akyuu described, if you just talk to her respectfully
>>50226358i crushed her sunflower, called her a slut and fucked a fairy in front of her
>>50221911NTA, but Reimu deserves to kill a friend and Kosuzu deserved to die.
>>50226372>Reimu deserves to kill a friendgod i hope she kill Marisa
>>50224108Alice was killed in the Great Fairy War.Source: My uncle works with ZUN.
>>50226292>There is one infamous fanworkSounds like fun. Is it Kata-K by any chance?
>>50224916>Rikako Rikako is a magician second and honestly a more intresting character than 99% of Windows characters. She really wouldn't be that out of place since humans are said to be able to become magicians. She's like Marisa, essentially. >RikaHonestly, just say she's a friend of the Kappa and that basically takes care of itself.>Yumemi / Chiyuri Weird interdimensional invaders/sex pests. Not villagers.
>>50226154My headcanon is that Rikako is Rika's mother.
>>50226358She's honestly one of the VERY few Youkai characters where I buy the idea that she isn't actually that bad. It makes sense that she would tell Akyuu "I murder everybody who damages my sunflower" even if she doesn't actually do that. It's like the signs people put up that say "This dog bites" when it really doesn't.
Genuinely, I rather ZUN bring back Rikako and Rika than Mima.
Talking about PC-98 characters ZUN should bring back: Meira.Make her the Touhou equivalent of Schezo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53ImZFol-4&t=11s
>>50226400It's Imperfect Metamorphosis, a story I personally like just not as a Touhou story anymore>>50226401Rikako could still work but she would need to be majorly overhauled. I mean the idea of a human magician who worships science over magic is pretty coolThe issue with Yumemi and Chiyuri isn't them being powerful humans its that they are interdimensional / time travelling humans... ZUN likes his sci-fi but I don't think he'd do something crazy like that in Windows>>50226426She's an edgelord. That's literally that entire facet of her character, like if you ever met an edgelord who'd take any slight offense towards them by talking about the gory complicated ways they'd kill you in detail (i.e "Lay a finger on my wife and I'll tear off your arm, shove it down your throat with a grenade attached to it and watch as you explode!" <- real genuine edgelord quote). Combine that with actual troll tendencies and it's why she has the reputation she has while being completely harmless and friendly
>>50226621>Rikako could still work but she would need to be majorly overhauled. I mean the idea of a human magician who worships science over magic is pretty coolI honestly think that central idea doesn't need much overhaul. Like Rika, you could give her a connection to the Kappa (They are supposed to have human friends after all). But overall a magician like Marisa seemingly gets enough leeway that her being into science wouldn't be that likely to be a problem.>combine that with actual troll tendencies and it's why she has the reputation she has while being completely harmless and friendlyYeah. I mean, I'm sure she would get very angry if you started damaging her flowers but her just murdering anybody who makes that mistake seems unlikely.
>>50226426I can't see how you can think, "massacres are just a game," Yuuka is a fine person.
>>50226712Here's the thing I grew up going to school with some real bad kids, remember one time seeing a very very beautiful flower growing in a corner somewhere which I liked to look at. Then one day I see a bunch of kids gathered around where the flower was and while they were doing whatever they were doing one of them takes notice of the flower points at it to show it to his friends and stomps on it. I almost got up and wanted to punch him but I knew that would be a death sentence for me. But I don't think a lot of people think about how genuinely cruel and mean it is to intentionally damage a beautiful flower for literally no reason, so I always knew Yuuka wasn't some psychopath who valued the lives of flowers over everything.>>50226772Again she's an edgelord who likes saying shit to scare / rile people up. It's highly unlikely she was actually killing anyone much like how Reimu didn't kill Sakuya in EoSD.And if you want to get philosophical, aren't massacres so commonly a part of games we tend to not even register them as massacres?
>>50226772>>50226839Genocide, not "massacre"
>>50226621I think Marisa and Rinnosuke already have a monopoly on Rikako's science witch category. Although ZUN does make Marisa randomly ignorant of science stuff she reallt should know about, but personally I like like Marisa as a self taught, with Rinnosuke's help, science mage. That and there's already the Kappa.Although I don't think it's impossible, her whole 'thing' has been moved on pretty seriously by other characters.>>50226839Ah, so you are Yuuka. Now it makes sense.Here's a tip, random Anons don't live in Gensokyo.They won't fuck you.
>>502267721: Pc-98 Yuuka is mostly a different character.2: I'm not saying she's a fine person. I'm saying I doubt she actually kills everybody who damages her flowers. Most likely she's relatively polite to anybody who visits her garden and threats it with respect, and if you do decide to damage something she will kick you out before applying lethal force.
>>50226877I doubt the "original creator of master spark," Yuuka isn't going to kill that person with a giant fuck off laser.>>50226401>Honestly, just say she's a friend of the Kappa and that basically takes care of itself.Because they'd use their machines to grab her soul out of her ass and eat it for its salt content.
>>50226854How is Marisa a science mage? She doesn't even seem to apply the scientific method to her usage of magic. She mostly just copies rather than actually understand the underlying workings.>But I don't think a lot of people think about how genuinely cruel and mean it is to intentionally damage a beautiful flower for literally no reason, so I always knew Yuuka wasn't some psychopath who valued the lives of flowers over everything.It is very cruel, same for ruining a beautiful garden just for kicks.
>>50226887>I doubt the "original creator of master spark," Yuuka isn't going to kill that person with a giant fuck off laser.Why? Also Danmaku can't actually kill somebody. Besides, arguably, fairies we've never seen it kill somebody. >Because they'd use their machines to grab her soul out of her ass and eat it for its salt content.Kappa don't kill villagers and even in the original legends it was said that giving Kappa a cucumber would make them a friend for life.
>>50226888How are drones, lasers, napalm, missiles, mechanical hands, and optical camo magic.Even if they use magic they're science in aesthetics and terminology, which is what matters. From the outside, Rikako and Marisa would look to be doing the entire same thing.
>>50226925>How are drones, lasers, napalm, missiles, mechanical hands, and optical camo magic.Marisa doesn't use any of that, the hell? At best she sometimes seems to "Borrow" stuff from Kappa. Not to the extent of Rikako, who literally uses a jetpack.
>>50226772People for some reasons think these people are feral beast without a mind lol. It is established lore and Akyuu’s observation that named youkai are generally more polite toward human because woah, you can talk to them and they can understand you. They are not going to destroy you for saying hi to them lol
>>50226772Try playing the game that quote is from and you may realize that was deadpan joke meant to piss Alice offDon't tell you are retarded enough to also believe she was going to feed Cirno to her sunflowers in PoFV too despite letting her get away unharmed after sparring with her in the same game.
>>50226937She uses all of those except for the Kappa's optical camouflage.Lasers and missiles are literally her signature shot types.
>>50226956Cirno deserves it for freezing babies to death and killing the mermaids in the misty lake.
>>50226772The entire damn plot of PoFV is Yuuka trolling the entire Gensokyo by larping as the mastermind of the incident anon
>>50226970>Lasers and missilesMAGICAL missiles and lasers. Besides, Rikako would probably specialize more in weird sci fi weapons or actual practical guns. Could see her pulling out a 40K Melta gun.
>>50224916>>50225123>the former two go against the newer idea of humans are meant to be somewhat weak and afraid of the youkai>having a "tank industry" and such might have felt a bit off for his modern view of Gensokyo with connections to real life and mystifying techI agree with both of these, but I would also like to add that in Rika's case, it could also be that because she seems to mesh with magic and/or the occult so much (Bakebake, Evil Eye Sigma) and, crucially, is an ENEMY of the Hakurei, that she might be in a similar place to the Fortune Teller as far as her overall place within the canon goes. Sure, she didn't BECOME a Youkai, but she is a human who can CONTROL Youkai and the like. Doesn't that sound almost as "illegal"? I think she's not canon because Reimu would have to exterminate her.In all honesty though Rika's whole gimmick with being an engineer but also being in touch with magic is really complicated and I'm saying that as someone who has her as his favorite character, even I don't understand that myself. If her entire character were just the two tanks she's made and Evil Eye sigma she'd be a lot simpler to understand but you also have to take into account that she says she CREATED the bakebake, which throws a wrench (heh) in the works. I discussed this topic previously with anons and, personally, I've got several headcanons:1-The bakebake and evil eye sigma are 100% mechanical, all technology, no magic, just drones and machinery. (Maybe biomechanical, even. Think the Gekkos from Metal Gear). Rika gets all of her stuff from either Mugenkan or from trade with the Kappa/Yamawaro, but as a result she always gets shoddy second-hand equipment. Her long absence since then was due to running out of literal fuel for her creations, but the discovery of petroleum in Gensokyo could've changed this. This was my favorite theory for a while.2-Given Gensokyo's resource shortage, Rika uses religion to power her creations. This has been proven to work with SSiB's rocket so I think this is the explanation that makes the most sense considering Rika has a Shrine Tank(!). Although this would technically make her some sort of "shrine maiden engineer" hybrid, it might also, in turn, justify her rivalry with the Hakurei Shrine as being a religious feud. This theory is very recent but it's my favorite.-The third and simplest headcanon is that it's just dumb, unfounded magic. This is my least favorite headcanon though, because I think it goes against the premise of her entire character.>>50226154>Rika and RikakoI like to think that Rika, being an engineer, is more in touch with the physics side of things, whereas Rikako, being a scientist, works more with chemistry and the like.>>50226401>Honestly, just say she's a friend of the Kappa and that basically takes care of itself.Nuh-uh. Rival. Human pride worldwide.>>50226412Nah, age gap not big enough. Siblings? Sure, even if it's not my preferred headcanon for the two of them either, but mother and daughter? Too far.>>50226437Please...
>>50227009It's called a teen pregnancy.Look it up.
>>50227009>Doesn't that sound almost as "illegal"? I think she's not canon because Reimu would have to exterminate her.We don't know what it takes to be given the death penalty outside of becoming a Youkai. Besides, If she was actually a problem I imagine it would be somebody like Okina cleaning her up. Not Reimu.>In all honesty though Rika's whole gimmick with being an engineer but also being in touch with magic is really complicatedI think it's really cool and it would go well with Rikako being a magician who values science. >but you also have to take into account that she says she CREATED the bakebakeI really doubt ZUN put this much thought into this, but I assume Bakebake are actually artificial phantoms. I have my own theory of how her engineering could work but it pretty heavily relies on a lot of headcanons on the way Kappa technology works but short version is that she's basically doing what Orks in 40K do with their technology.>Nah, age gap not big enough.Rikako always struck me as am milf while Rika looks like she's about twelve. Assuming she was 16 when she got pregnant I think it works. >Nuh-uh. Rival. Human pride worldwide.Can't i have one genuine Human X Youkai friendship...
>>50227046But Kappas are a cucumber based lifeforms, not mushroom bars ones.
she needs to be back. we need a playable human character that is different than the other one>don't have power>badass anyway
Anon, if you were Tojiko, would you forgive Futo for turning you into an angry ghost?
>>50227004Magic missiles and lasers are still missiles and lasers.Besides ballistic weapons feel gauche for a danmaku map.
>>50227046>outside of becoming a Youkaithat rule is also ONLY for villagers
>>50227068Maybe, but I wouldn't forgive my husband for reincarnating as a women.
>>50227075>Magic missiles and lasers are still missiles and lasers.Nah. They feel different.>Besides ballistic weapons feel gauche for a danmaku map.Reisen exists.
>>50227046>Besides, If she was actually a problem I imagine it would be somebody like Okina cleaning her up. Not Reimu.My point was that she'd have to get "cleaned up" either way, so she'd be a troublesome character to have in this new canon.>it's really coolIt is, but it's complicated if you like the idea of Rika being a misfit. It certainly opens up the door to a lot of cool interpretation, though. Such as...>I assume Bakebake are actually artificial phantoms...this, which would fit into the first headcanon I mentioned in my post.>Rikako always struck me as am milf while Rika looks like she's about twelve.Really? I always thought Rikako looked like a university student whereas Rika looked like a late highschool student (albeit a rather petite one), same as Sumireko but shorter in stature.>Can't i have one genuine Human X Youkai friendship...Well... I do like the idea that, because of her rivalry with the Kappa, she instead "gets along" with the Yamawaro well enough to do trade with them. It's not a friendship, per say, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, ain't that so? Besides, WaHH shows that the Yamawaro are at least familiar with the concept of firearms, sounds useful for Rika.
>>50227172Reisen uses a sound gun. Also if Reisen did use a ballistic gun, then the ballistic gun niche would be taken by her.
>>50227082I mean, it's a bit vague on that (Especially since Alice exists) but yeah. I don't think Rika trying to take over GEnsokyo would earn her many fans but otherwise I imagine she would be viewed as mostly harmless.>>50227056Look, all I know is that Green is best and both cucumbers and Orks are green.
>>50227195How is Alice related? She's not a villager, is she?
>>50227009>>Rika and RikakoI see Rika as someone who would create the design for the things like Evil Eye, Shrine Tank, etc., but Rikako as someone who would work on a theoretical side of things and number crunching, like calculating power output and the like. It's why I think they could work really well as a pair - they need each other to actually build anything. I also really like the idea of them being sisters and/or both dabbling in magic and having to live together and outside the village as a result. Rikako is absolutely the older one though.>Siblings? Sure, even if it's not my preferred headcanon for the two of themWhat's your preferred headcanon?
>>50227189>My point was that she'd have to get "cleaned up" either way, so she'd be a troublesome character to have in this new canon.While it's possible Gensokyo is that excessive, I feel Marisa would have been killed long ago then. >but it's complicated if you like the idea of Rika being a misfitHonestly, I kind of prefer her being a stacy. Like she's incredibly well regarded in the human village for being a wunderkind. >Really?Yeah, granted, early Zun art is... early Zun art. But Rikako does feel noticeably older looking while Rika feels noticeably younger looking. >Well... I do like the idea that, because of her rivalry with the Kappa, she instead "gets along" with the Yamawaro well enough to do trade with them.I could see her being a neutral presence. But, yeah, that works as well.
>Ork logic function in Touhou
>>50227202We don't know what the fuck she is. There is some indication she IS a human villager, or at least was, but that contradicts both new and old lore.
>>50227216It's not exactly Ork logic, and a lot of it would get into a lot of my other headcanons. But the basic idea is basically "Technology doesn't really work but people believe it works so it works" with a added dish of "Gensokyo bullshit."
Alice is Alice
>>50227206>someone who would work on a theoretical side of things and number crunching, like calculating power output and the likeBut anon. that's what an engineer does...>What's your preferred headcanon?Old friends, mostly. Scientific comrades in arms perhaps. They still have a sisterly relationship, but they're not actually sisters.>>50227213>While it's possible Gensokyo is that excessive, I feel Marisa would have been killed long ago then.Yeah, you're right I suppose. I also failed to consider that rule only applies to humans living in the village.>she's incredibly well regarded in the human village for being a wunderkindAs if those simpletons in the village would ever be able to understand Rika's genius... (nanodesu)I think her short-tempered nature would just make her easily get tired of their Hakurei-loving outlooks on life.>Rikako does feel noticeably older looking while Rika feels noticeably younger lookingI agree, but I'm not basing this purely off looks, hence me saying Rika just feels like a petite highschooler. I mainly just think that she's too smart to be that young, child prodigy or not.Whatever though, I think we're all very familiar with how Touhou age headcanon discussions tend to go...
>>50227206>your preferred headcanonRika is an orphan and a student at the temple school, but she dropped out. Rikako is a teacher who is trying to have her come back to school, gradually learning more about Rika and become friend with the girl
>>50227241Literally friendless holy fuck
>>50227223She's definitely not a villager if she lives in the forest of magic.
>>50227284>But anon. that's what an engineer does...I mean sure, but it's not like she has an actual degree. You can be flexible with what you mean when you call her an "engineer". I just can't see Rika with a pocket calculator/abacus and a mountain of papers number crunching. I'm not sure if even AIRikanon ever genned her doing something like that. She feels to me like a wrench-in-hand practical application kind of girl. I guess I see her more as a mechanic.
>>50227329Like I said she probably WAS a human villager. She obviously isn't anymore.>>50227284>As if those simpletons in the village would ever be able to understand Rika's geniusThey wouldn't but they would understand this girl is very smart and finished Keine's class in a few years. They don't actually understand her or her love of building tanks. >I mainly just think that she's too smart to be that young, child prodigy or not.I kind of like the idea of her being a Dexter tier genius.
>>50222735The what now??
Rika isn't canon.
>>50227387You aren't canon.
>>50227387i'll kidnap ZUN's family and force him to make PC-98 canon
>>50227387You are probably correct, but also fuck canon in that regard.
>>50227385KKR48, a group of 38 masks within Kokoro's hivemind of 66 masks wrote the Noah of Darkness: Ningyo-yaki In Love, which is a tragic love story where the Masks of a Menreiki temporarily becoming human and getting human lovers.Only for the real identities to be revealed and for their relationships to tragically fal apart. Aya really liked it.https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Alternative_Facts_in_Eastern_Utopia/Article_and_Interview/Hata_no_Kokoro
>>50227307she has plenty of friends
OFFICIALLY FIRST SHOUNEN MANGA OF TOUHOU LMAO
>>50227371>You can be flexible with what you mean when you call her an "engineer".You're right. Engineers usually just do all the calculus and planning and get others to do the work for them. In my eyes Rika can do both (mainly because there's nobody else in Gensokyo capable of doing the latter, besides the Kappa but they will scam you dry for products of doubtful quality). She's a mix of an engineer and a mechanic for me (and that's not to mention the whole shrine maiden theory I was on about earlier), but because Gensokyo is lacking in proven scientific theories, most of Rika's engineering is based on feel and experience.>I just can't see Rika with a pocket calculator/abacus and a mountain of papers number crunchingI sorta can... I can at the very least imagine her drawing blueprints and the like, and that takes technical know-how as far as I know, even if that know-how comes from her own experience as I mentioned earlierl.>I'm not sure if even AIRikanon ever genned her doing something like that.I haven't, but I've thought about genning her pondering some blueprints once or twice.>>50227380>I kind of like the idea of her being a Dexter tier genius.She has the same stature and cockiness for sure!
>>50224752Makes sense I missed that, I still haven't read all the print works. Fascinating, thank you!
>>50227431Yes? We already know that.
>>50226888She does quite literally use the scientific method. She's arguably one of the most science-y magicians in the setting... like PMiSS can be weird and dubious at times but it's pretty clear on how much work Marisa really does put into magical research. And what she "steals" is more imitation using the original spells as a reference. She hasn't literally stolen cards off of Patchouli and Yuuka it's more an author (or all artists in general) borrowing a concept or idea from a previous author and expanding on it (such as power armour space marines... god how many power armour space marines we've had since Starship Troopers). Some would say it's stealing, some would say it's not. Depends on the eye of the beholderAnd it's weird that "intentionally destroying something that's nice for no reason but mindless instant gratification" is something only Yuuka would understand but then again maybe you just had to be there.>>50226903I mentioned it earlier, ZUN has definitely since retconned it so Danmaku is just the name for magical energy attacks which can be lethal and non-lethal. With plenty of instances in the series of characters attempting to use lethal danmaku on the players. That being said Marisa has clearly shown she can make the Master Spark non-lethal (despite it being a gigantic incineration ray) so that kind of casts doubt that Yuuka's is lethal too>>50227009>Shrine maiden engineer hybridOkay this is my first time hearing that theory and honestly it's really cool >>50227046>Rikako always struck me as a MILF while Rika looks like she's about twelveIt's always fun seeing people's interpretations of characters agesI do get the idea of Rika looking like she's twelve since Reimu and Marisa also seemed to be little kids in SoEW, so I always assume older Rika depictions are just meant to be her in the current era as she naturally would grow up like Reimu and Marisa. Weird thing is I can totally see older Rikako now only because she does look more like the average Windows character in estimated visual age compared to the other human characters in PC-98 looking much younger>>50227223I like how you guys are missing the obvious fact that her name is Alice fucking Margatroid and she's a literal blond haired blue eyed girl who has dolls named after European places. It's easy to assume she's not Japanese and thus not a Gensokyo native
>>50227431Okay so looking at the synopsis hereThe plot's going to be a ""political"" thriller about how to deal with Mizuchi and vengeful spirits in general="Those who want to help them rest in peace" is obviously referring to Reimu and Marisa trying to help Mizuchi calm her tits down and pass on="Those who want to return them to the underworld" is likely referring to the Taoists even though they themselves are proposing sealing her somewhere else. But generally its people just opposed to Mizuchi in general for the rampage she went on which Reimu is going to have to fight off because as Mizuchi herself admits if she gets resealed again she's just going to say fuck it and do it again so as the tensions ramp up because of this second spirit they will become stronger and stronger="Those who want to use them" is interesting and is probably going to be the new intrigue / mystery we're finding out. My immediate thought would be someone like Seiga is somehow using her abilities to control other vengeful spirits (and thus there is no second vengeful spirit sadly) and is trying to frame Mizuchi so she can manipulate her by acting like she's on her side or whatever but there's no way I can ever guess the plot from the first chapter alone with nothing to go off ofThis still implies some kind of new anti-youkai radical will be involved as the obvious conclusion for what someone would want to "use vengeful spirits" for is because vengeful spirits are the weakness of youkai as established in SoPM and early CDS
>>50227672so...Gensokyo civil war? Will the sages pick side?
>>50227847Duh, each Sage for each side.
>>50227854>Kasenteam Reimu because she is a good girl>Yukariteam Miko, secretly want Mizuchi dead>Okinawant to take advantage of Mizuchi
>>50227878And then there's Suika COMES WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!!
>>50227847Maybe, maybe not. I guess this is a way to recentre the story on Satori trying to solve a mystery again despite it being branded from the start as a shonen battle manga>>50227878" Yeah that fits "
>>50227878and thenMYSTERIOUS FOURTH SAGEit will be kino
It's Mima, trust the feeling in your calcium
>>50227974>>50227979What if Mimers IS the fourth sage?
>>50227992my headcanonbut unfortunately, ZUN hates Mima
>>50227941took muh jerb!
>>50223701Thanks for calling me adorable, I know I am. You're adorable yourself, bro.
>>50227974Fourth Sage is Tewi.
>>50227878>team Miko, secretly want Mizuchi deadwtf Yukari is based?
>>50228207We knew this from CDS: Labyrinth though, she and Satori wanted Reimu to lay the axe on Mizuchi but Reimu made like a black tiktokfag in a home depot and said "nah imma do my own thing"
>>50228226Reimu is a better person
>>50228226Please die.
>>50228226They wanted to reseal her, but yeah, pretty much I can see Yukari on the kill her side now.Or that could be Kasen since she kills vengeful spirits.
>>50228232Yeah it was pretty chungus of her to let an attempted murderer go free because she promised to behave.She'd fucking kill Marisa if Marisa ever did anything even half as bad.
Why are people saying there's a second vengeful spirit? Isn't it just Tojiko?
>>50228255She let Mizuchi go because she felt bad for her, and Reimu would do the same thing for Marisa.
>>50228232Sendai is goated.
>>50228257It's an assumption based on the existence of this new copy-cat troublemaker who seems to be following Mizuchi's exact MO. It's not necessarily another evil spirit, but we have no other leads to go off of right now so that's the popular assumption.
>>50228265>and Reimu would do the same thing for Marisa.Reimu has never done anything for Marisa.
>>50228242I mean she's on the kill side in that there never was a killside, scroll up and you'll see its only referring to sealing her
>>50228274She's not exactly a witch, how is she supposed to help Marisa research magic?
>>50228274She doesn't really have to, Reimu herself is Marisa's "favourite thing" so she'll come by and feed her, chat and watch her grumble about... a bit like a cat owner
>>50228282Marisa visits Reimu constantly and even took care of her when she was ill. What's Reimu done outside of the bare minimum of letting Marisa crash at her place?
>>50228293Everyone was chipping in to take care of Reimu when she got sick, because she's their useful child soldier she's their friend.It's not just Marisa helping Reimu. Although I get the feeling Marisa, unlike Reimu would ask for help if she needed it.Marisa, unlike Reimu, is just a functional human being and not spoiled autistic bitch. Thus she's not a leech who constantly moochs off of other people.
Again it's funny to see people describe Reimu like this when she's really just being the human version of a cat. Nobody would treat a cat this seriously
>>50228311Cats aren't people. Autistics like Reimu are even worse, they're subhuman.
>>50228311Probably because we don't trust the stability of an entire nation to the whims of a cat.
>>50228321You're saying this on /jp/?/jp/?!?
>>50228311I want a Reimu to cosplay as a cat for me
>>50228362Kids these days... just don't know their roots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbL5M_XplKk
>>50228373Sumireko wasn't a threat, and she was punished more harshly (Marisa was punished more harshly in CDS than Mizuchi!). Mizuchi has shown that she could effortlessly tear through Gensokyo if she so chose, she's a liability.
>>50228226Speedreading champion I kneel
>>50228472Okay grandma Yukari, now, how about we get Ran in here. What does she have to say?
The ending of previous arc is actually pretty consistent with Reimu “do thing on a whim” personality. She likely felt some sort of responsibility over Mizuchi because her grudge came from what Hakurei Family believed inThus she wanted to be the one who clear Mizuchi of that grudge, and Satori just let her do that
Reimu is a misandrist, as evidenced by her endless well of sympathy for evil girls vs her harsh treatment of men (see: fortune teller)
>>50228508That doesn't feel like a whim, more like she feels guilty for something that's not her fault.
>>50228533She get led around by her feeling more often than not
>Yamame gifted Hakurei Shrine a whole lantern Former Hell youkai are supposed to be evil btw
Peace offering so Reimu wouldn't turn her into softshell crab
>>50226508kek, I mean ZUN got the creeper line but flipped it for SoEW but I didn't thing they would be so unhinged with him in a "modern" puyopuyo release. Especially past translation.>>50227387Of course not because she's the one making cannons!>>50227068Dunno 2hus seem to just at some point ask themselves "wtf am I even doing I could just live a quiet life instead" and such.But in Futo's case the one that fucked her over is still there, alive and kicking not even imprisoned like Chang'e...But I guess eventually I would forgive her if we're both are kinda immortal anyways and such, I guess a non physical body can also be convenient.>>50228472Didn't Mizuchi tell Yuugi she knew she didn't expect to be able to make Gensokyo collapse?
>>50228575No they aren't? They're hated, not evil, they're mostly banished down there for having troublesome powers, troublesome behavior, or both.
>>50228562I agree but I don't think they're whims, Reimu's too consistent for that.Pretty consistently people talk about how Reimu is superficially mean because she wants to avoid violence.I think whim implies that a person is being arbitrary, that her choices are random instead of part of a pattern of behavior.>>50228599It's too late, all lifeforms evolve into crabs. The real secret of heaven is that it's all crabs up there.
>>50228527Do you think she acts that way because she can't land a boyfriend?
>>50228609I am going to be real, most 2hu (at least the human one), are likely considered literal goddessesNo man would even dare to ask them out, let alone dating, because they all think these girls are out of their league
>>50228634I would.
>>50228637No you fucking wouldn’t
>>50228645I have already impregnated several 2hus.
>>50228634I would
>>50228651No you haven't
>Get a new design for no reasonShe won
>>50228658The tease....
ZUN was so fucking smug about the name San(3)sara, get it? Because it’s the 3rd part of CDS combined with “Samsara”
>>50228657Aunn literally gave birth to two children for me.
>>50228681Congrats anon
>>50228645I would ask out Marisa the moment I entered Gensokyo.
>>50228651jerking off onto a printout of a character maketh them pregnant not
>>50228691I literally went to Gensokyo and saw her give birth at the hospital in the bamboo forest.
>Don’t worry guy I will keep an eye on Mizuchi>“I don’t know exactly where she is”Ok Reimu
>>50228681No she hasn't>>50228695No you haven't
Reimu is basically keeping Mizuchi around with the promise “She will behave bros trust me”. If Mizuchi did anything they will sent her back to Sayori custody immediately
>>50228704>SayoriWho?
Lmao rereading the chapter make me realize Marisa and Reimu was heading out to find Mizuchi…except she was still at Hakurei Shrine, and Tojiko seem to come to drag her to Miko
>>50228707I think that's the girl that kills herself in that western meme VN
>>50228714Huh, I don't remember her appearing in CDS.
>Miko didn’t even remember Tojiko nameBruh
>>50227223Alice is from Makai, there isn't anything in windows that contradicts this unless you think she's the killer in DiPP, she has no relatives in the human village like Marisa and is also a human turned magician-youkai that transformed relatively recently which meant she would fortune teller'd if she was from thereShe also talks like she already knew Reimu and Marisa in PCB and ZUN himself said it's the same character from PC-98 just reintroduced mainly as Marisa's friend in windows rather than Reimu's because of their shared occupation She even still carries the same grimoire she used in MS's extra
>>50228722Yet she knows Kyouko by name, I sense the crown prince is cheating on his first wife.
Bros why are certain character drawn so thick in CDS? I am starting to feel the daikon meme again
>>50228722I think she's being vague for dramatic reasons
>>50224916>Yuuka's probably considered a guest character because even back in LLS she isn't even a resident of Gensokyo she lives in some fuckoff pocket dimensionYou know that basically in pc98 every final boss and most bosses that aren't stage 1 or 2 are from/in a different dimension so to speak, or Izumi Takemono guest characters (maybe some changed a bit)...I honestly thought you would bring up that technically Yuuka is a guest character in Seihou without being a central Touhou protag.I'm not even sure if Rikako is confirmed a human since pc98 doesn't confirm much. So aside from Reimu, Rika, Marisa, Chiyuri and Yumemi no one is a human confirmed iirc I guess Chiyuri#2 also counts.. maybe?>>50225198>because everyone would ask her to build stuff to protect themidk villagers don't seem to care that much, like in FS when a youkai steals their booze just a few get to guard it with sticks as if it was nothing (I guess some anons might have been happiers if Moe actually drew them with more magical looking things). And if something seems more serious like their kids maybe being in danger they call Reimu so it feels more like a country where civilians aren't allowed firearms and just rely on the authorities.If anything being an exterminator feels like a why even bother type of job in the modern setting.>Both Chiyuri and Yumemi's bombs have clock imagery, Chiyuri's title being "the Sailor of Time" and Yumemi talking about a grand unified theory being established does also imply she might be from the future (especially since ZUN confirmed that in the Hifuu version of our future the grand unified theory has been established too)Thinking mostly in game we only get dimensional travel, considering PoDD as is without considering future canon. I guess it could be implied time travel, wonder what the story is of magic Chiyuri then.idk it seemed to me like 3 parallel worlds going by what Yumemi says but I guess she might not know the truth:-World without magic: Yumemi's world-Magic world: pc98 Gensokyo and co-World with both: Modern Gensokyo
>>50228658Also a powerup. I'd love to see if Satori could also see into dreams
